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    John McCain: Women should avoid military service until sexual misconduct crisis solve

    (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...is-solved?lite)

    OK, while I don't agree with McCain's position, I do agree something needs to be done.

    There are many examples of why the ability of military commanders to fix this is in question. Conviction rates and sentences between military and civilian sexual assaults show huge dipsarities. As pointed out by one of the folks on the panel the service chiefs met today, "How good a fighter pilot a perpetrator is should have no bearing on their sentence for committing a sexual assault."

    A great parallel was made on a news program I saw... look how (un)successful the Catholic Church was at resolving their sexual abuse challenges when left to handling it internally. It was only after the lights were turned on and the practice of sweeping it under the rug and moving preists to other locations to offend again (Wilkerson?) came to a halt that they began to overcome the issue.

    Another comment from a victim caught my attention was, Having the victim report being assaulted by a fellow service member to your commander is like being raped by your brother and having your parents make the call on prosecuting the family member." (not her exact words, best I could remember, as I heard it before my morning coffee lol).

    I'm all for commanders having the authority to command, but I think they are missing the mark when it comes to this issue. Their position that they need to retain authority in these cases "because the UCMJ applies around the world where US laws don't" doesn't wash. There are JAGs in all those same places and the military justice system is capable of dealing with this as with any other crime.

    Until a victim can be reasonably assured they'll be heard, a proper investigation will be completed (without undue command influence steering the outcome and an environment that doesn't immediately blame the victim and side with the perpetrator) we aren't going to make headway on this issue.

    As far as how to fix the root of the problem, stopping the assaults from being committed... much tougher issue. What makes someone think they have cause to commit such an act against another person? You can't powerpoint/CBT/wingman day that out of someone. I do think bystander intervention training goes a little way to empowering those on the sidelines to get involved when they see something going down.

    I'll acknowledging false reports are made. The pendulum should not swing to taking a gospel the word of the victim to the detriment of the investigative and judicial process. One should be assumed innocent until proven guilty. But when found guilty, justice should be swift and painful (same applies to filers of false reports!).

    I watched my daughter graduate Air Force basic training a few weeks back. I think McCain's comments are a sensationalistic attempt to get himself in the headlines and trust that my daughter is in good hands with most commanders... but there are too many out there whose misplaced alleigances give those who would commit these vile acts the confidence to prey on vulnerable women (and yes some men) and not fear the consequences and that needs to stop.
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    Re: John McCain: Women should avoid military service until sexual misconduct crisis s

    This is great advice from the Senator. The military might actually be able to get back to worrying about fighting and winning wars instead of being a social experiment in political correctness

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    Re: John McCain: Women should avoid military service until sexual misconduct crisis s

    I do feel something needs to change. BUT if we are going to go the route of prosecutors vice commanders doing it, i HOPE that they also change the "we don't charge false accusations, cause we don't want to scare people away" crap.

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    Re: John McCain: Women should avoid military service until sexual misconduct crisis s

    Hey, what do you expect? This is the same asshole who opposed the post-911 GI Bill.

    Sorry dude, we can't all divorce our wives and marry wealthy ones when we return from deployment.

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    Re: John McCain: Women should avoid military service until sexual misconduct crisis s

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Bonham View Post
    Hey, what do you expect? This is the same asshole who opposed the post-911 GI Bill.

    Sorry dude, we can't all divorce our wives and marry wealthy ones when we return from deployment.
    Do you know WHY he opposed the bill?
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    Re: John McCain: Women should avoid military service until sexual misconduct crisis s

    Wonder if he gives the same advice to men since that is who most of the sexual assaults in the military are against?

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    Re: John McCain: Women should avoid military service until sexual misconduct crisis s

    Quote Originally Posted by TJMAC77SP View Post
    Do you know WHY he opposed the bill?
    He didn't want incentives for Soldiers to leave the military and live normal lives... he would prefer they stay in and continue be bullet catchers.

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    Re: John McCain: Women should avoid military service until sexual misconduct crisis s

    Quote Originally Posted by WILDJOKER5 View Post
    Wonder if he gives the same advice to men since that is who most of the sexual assaults in the military are against?

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1150235
    I know what it says...but, I still find it hard to believe.

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    Re: John McCain: Women should avoid military service until sexual misconduct crisis s

    Quote Originally Posted by Measure Man View Post
    I know what it says...but, I still find it hard to believe.
    I believe it... I think as an individual, female service members are far more likely to be assaulted - however I would bet the overwhelming majority of assaults are male on male, simply because the vast majority of members are male.

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    Re: John McCain: Women should avoid military service until sexual misconduct crisis s

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Bonham View Post
    He didn't want incentives for Soldiers to leave the military and live normal lives... he would prefer they stay in and continue be bullet catchers.
    Wrong. Nice sound bite but wrong.

    Rhetoric aside what was the real reason he opposed the bill ?
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