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    Quote Originally Posted by WILDJOKER5 View Post
    Since they voted in mass to go to "war" with both Iraq and Afgahn, I would say it was never on list of causes to stand against. It could just be me, but it seems like they just gave you a bunch of lip service.
    Well, its not a project that happened overnight - we're talking many decades of hard work and propaganda against the American public. And frankly - us Americans are fat greedy bastards... its not difficult to make us not care about other people... because we barely do to begin with.

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    Re: Republicans=Hawks/Democrats=Doves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Bonham View Post
    Well, its not a project that happened overnight - we're talking many decades of hard work and propaganda against the American public. And frankly - us Americans are fat greedy bastards... its not difficult to make us not care about other people... because we barely do to begin with.
    I'm sure you commented yesterday about how people who constantly bitch about the military should just get out. If only you'd follow your own advice when constantly bitching about the U.S.

    Not saying you should leave, just curious as to why you stay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Bonham View Post
    Well, its not a project that happened overnight - we're talking many decades of hard work and propaganda against the American public. And frankly - us Americans are fat greedy bastards... its not difficult to make us not care about other people... because we barely do to begin with.
    So when was the left against wars? Gulf war 1? Veitnam? Granada? Korea? WWI? WWII?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandsjames View Post
    I'm sure you commented yesterday about how people who constantly bitch about the military should just get out. If only you'd follow your own advice when constantly bitching about the U.S.

    Not saying you should leave, just curious as to why you stay.
    Maybe the same reasons why the boston bombers stayed even though they hated us and tried to kill so many, Welfare and other freebies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WILDJOKER5 View Post
    So when was the left against wars? Gulf war 1? Veitnam? Granada? Korea? WWI? WWII?
    Substantial anti-war movement in the 30s. A fairly large one in Vietnam - seems like the numbers dwindled to almost nothing after that.

    Even in GWOT - there was an anti-war movement... a tiny one, but it existed nonetheless - a decade long smear campaign painting them as "terrorist sympathizers" basically eliminated any inkling of influence they might have had on either political party.

    Quote Originally Posted by sandsjames View Post
    I'm sure you commented yesterday about how people who constantly bitch about the military should just get out. If only you'd follow your own advice when constantly bitching about the U.S.

    Not saying you should leave, just curious as to why you stay.
    Apples and oranges. The nation moves forward by people working to change it - not just taking an attitude of submission.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Bonham View Post
    Substantial anti-war movement in the 30s. A fairly large one in Vietnam - seems like the numbers dwindled to almost nothing after that.

    Even in GWOT - there was an anti-war movement... a tiny one, but it existed nonetheless - a decade long smear campaign painting them as "terrorist sympathizers" basically eliminated any inkling of influence they might have had on either political party.
    Oh, I meant the politicians that are liberal. I know there are always liberal civilians that like to think those that represent them actually believe the same thing, but honestly, nothing more than lip service from those in congress who claim to be liberal and for the people. But that is about norm for both parties for whom ever they claim to represent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WILDJOKER5 View Post
    Oh, I meant the politicians that are liberal. I know there are always liberal civilians that like to think those that represent them actually believe the same thing, but honestly, nothing more than lip service from those in congress who claim to be liberal and for the people. But that is about norm for both parties for whom ever they claim to represent.
    Yes - that is the unfortunate reality of things, isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Bonham View Post
    Exactly what I said. This is one of the greatest propaganda victories in the history of the world - opposing our Christian Jihads overseas isn't even considered a legitimate cause on the Left anymore.
    Anymore? This from the same person that said the Democrats of the 40s-60s aren't the same as the Dems of today? So what you are saying is that they were douchebags and still are douchebags?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pullinteeth View Post
    Anymore? This from the same person that said the Democrats of the 40s-60s aren't the same as the Dems of today?
    I thought everybody learned this by 6th grade... the parties' viewpoints on civil liberties pretty much reversed in the late 50s/early 60s.

    The "Radical Republicans" of old were actually freedom fighters who opposed the Confederacy and white supremacy.

    So what you are saying is that they were douchebags and still are douchebags?
    You lost me somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Bonham View Post
    I thought everybody learned this by 6th grade... the parties' viewpoints on civil liberties pretty much reversed in the late 50s/early 60s.

    The "Radical Republicans" of old were actually freedom fighters who opposed the Confederacy and white supremacy.
    Yeah, you really didnt learn anything did you? Just after the GOP gets the CRA passed in congress, they just magically switched sides. LOL. I cant believe so many people swallowed the BS propaganda, and not only that, believe it happened in the 60s. Yes, some people that were dems switched sides, I give you that, but not because of civil rights view points and certainly not the majority in the 60s.
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