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    RED-FLAG AK cancelled

    "Air Force cancels Red Flag-Alaska training"

    OK, I get that we'll save a bunch of bucks not sending units all the way up to Fairbanks for this exercise, but I wonder if they factor in the cost of all that infrastructure and manpower going unused during that timeframe as well when they work out the numbers?

    And, no offence to the hard-working folks in Fairbanks, but if we're not hosting an exercise then, how about furlowing them the whole time and keep other folks employed where they are still doing a mission?

    Yet another example of the AF acting like a two-year-old trying to hold its' breath until we get our way...
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    Re: RED-FLAG AK cancelled

    They must have been under pressure to show that they're prepared to cancel something directly related to the mission rather than something frilly and superfluous like Thunderbirds appearances. This affects real training and capabilities.

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    Re: RED-FLAG AK cancelled

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert F. Dorr View Post
    They must have been under pressure to show that they're prepared to cancel something directly related to the mission rather than something frilly and superfluous like Thunderbirds appearances. This affects real training and capabilities.
    It seems like RED FLAG-AK and having agressors up there were Buzz Moseley's ideas. Having dealt with crap he thought was a good idea (CSAR transfer back to ACC after 3 years in AFSOC, after all, it's just a "patch change") maybe we should just dump it. He gave us deployed AF Bands after all.
    This calls for a delicate blend of psychology and extreme violence. Vyvyan, The Young Ones

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    Re: RED-FLAG AK cancelled

    Big Blue has been wanting to close the active duty side of Eielson and move it to Elmo for a while now. Their justification is that it'll save the AF money but they have not been able to produce reliable figures to back that up. I'm wondering if this is just another nail they are trying to put into Eielson's coffin.
    Alaska's strategic location in the world was recognized over 80 years ago by Billy Mitchell hmself. With our strategic shift to the Pacific theater, does it make sense to close a perfectly good air base within a few hours' flight of almost any point in Asia?

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    Re: RED-FLAG AK cancelled

    Quote Originally Posted by crwchf16 View Post
    Big Blue has been wanting to close the active duty side of Eielson and move it to Elmo for a while now. Their justification is that it'll save the AF money but they have not been able to produce reliable figures to back that up. I'm wondering if this is just another nail they are trying to put into Eielson's coffin.
    Alaska's strategic location in the world was recognized over 80 years ago by Billy Mitchell hmself. With our strategic shift to the Pacific theater, does it make sense to close a perfectly good air base within a few hours' flight of almost any point in Asia?
    No but let so keep Hancom open. Dumb

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    Re: RED-FLAG AK cancelled

    Quote Originally Posted by crwchf16 View Post
    Big Blue has been wanting to close the active duty side of Eielson and move it to Elmo for a while now. Their justification is that it'll save the AF money but they have not been able to produce reliable figures to back that up. I'm wondering if this is just another nail they are trying to put into Eielson's coffin.
    Alaska's strategic location in the world was recognized over 80 years ago by Billy Mitchell hmself. With our strategic shift to the Pacific theater, does it make sense to close a perfectly good air base within a few hours' flight of almost any point in Asia?
    Glad you provided this reminder.

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    Re: RED-FLAG AK cancelled

    :spy Where will they send airpeople that need a time out' when they make a mistake? Oh yea, just discharge them! Cold weather burns more calories though......:caked

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    Re: RED-FLAG AK cancelled

    Quote Originally Posted by crwchf16 View Post
    Big Blue has been wanting to close the active duty side of Eielson and move it to Elmo for a while now. Their justification is that it'll save the AF money but they have not been able to produce reliable figures to back that up. I'm wondering if this is just another nail they are trying to put into Eielson's coffin.
    Alaska's strategic location in the world was recognized over 80 years ago by Billy Mitchell hmself. With our strategic shift to the Pacific theater, does it make sense to close a perfectly good air base within a few hours' flight of almost any point in Asia?
    There is still the 168 ARW there. Let the Guard maintain the base.

    It does not make a lot of sense to keep and entire AD Wing at a base year-round when all they are there for is Red Flag. The old F-16's there are only aggressors and have no combat mission.

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    Re: RED-FLAG AK cancelled

    Quote Originally Posted by RobotChicken View Post
    :spy Where will they send airpeople that need a time out' when they make a mistake? Oh yea, just discharge them! Cold weather burns more calories though......:caked
    Oh they still have good ol Thule Air Base for that.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFScott View Post
    Oh they still have good ol Thule Air Base for that.....
    Is there a U.S. presence at Thule today? I don't remember more than a handful of Americans stationed there when I visited in April 1993.

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