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    We don't have money to pay for printer toner or toilet paper, but we've got money for this crap?

    Pentagon Launches Healthy Base Initiative: The Defense Department on Monday announced the Healthy Base Initiative, a one-year demonstration project to gauge the ability of a test set of DOD installations to create environments that can sustain healthy lifestyles. "Our vision of success is an installation that provides an environment that makes healthy choices the easy choice and a place that encourages and promotes nutrition, an active lifestyle, and tobacco-free living," said Charles Milam, acting deputy assistant secretary of defense for military community and family policy, during a March 18 media roundtable. The project begins in mid-June at 13 Pentagon installations worldwide. Among the pilot sites are these Air Force locations: March ARB, Calif.; Mountain Home AFB, Idaho; JB Pearl Harbor-Hickam, Hawaii; and Yokota AB, Japan. Milam said HBI will be "cost neutral" as the aim is not to build new programs, but to invest time into reviewing existing infrastructures and initiatives to see what's most successful. HBI is a component of Operation Live Well, a Pentagon initiative to increase the health and wellness of US military personnel, their family members, and DOD civilians.
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    Seeking a Healthier Military Population: The Defense Department spends more than $50 billion annually on the military health system, said Jonathan Woodson, assistant secretary of defense for health affairs, on Monday. "The military communities are microcosms of broader American society," he explained during a March 18 media roundtable. As such, they sometimes make poor nutritional choices, gain weight, develop diabetes, and face other health-related concerns, he said. Service members are also using tobacco products at a higher rate than their civilian peers, said Woodson. "We need to employ every tool in our arsenal to improve individual resiliency [and] raise awareness of the simple steps that our communities can take to improve their health," he said. Woodson estimated that it costs DOD some $1.4 billion annually to treat the complications of tobacco and obesity across its ranks. "If we build a healthier population, we actually save money and have resources for other initiatives," he said.
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    You never...EVER...want to smell PTGod's hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Z1911 View Post
    "The military communities are microcosms of broader American society," he explained during a March 18 media roundtable. As such, they sometimes make poor nutritional choices, gain weight, develop diabetes, and face other health-related concerns, he said. Service members are also using tobacco products at a higher rate than their civilian peers, said Woodson. "We need to employ every tool in our arsenal to improve individual resiliency [and] raise awareness of the simple steps that our communities can take to improve their health," he said. Woodson estimated that it costs DOD some $1.4 billion annually to treat the complications of tobacco and obesity across its ranks. "If we build a healthier population, we actually save money and have resources for other initiatives," he said.
    —Merri Shaffer
    You just gotta love the law of unintended consequence. If we have healthier people it MUST save health care costs, right? It's so simple, right?
    No, what you end up with is a population that lives longer and thus incurs greater long-term health costs, especially with end of life care and long-term end of life illnesses. Tobacco and obesity may have greater health care costs short term but by dying at earlier ages the smokers and fat folks ultimately cost less. If the DOD wants to save health care costs they need to start encouraging people who are reaching about 15 years TIS to embrace a sedentary lifestyle, eat unhealthy foods, smoke more, and booze it up. Discount prices for retirees for booze, smokes, and on-base fast food joints will also ultimately help the cause.
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    I'm curious how they will do this. With they do as Mayor Bloomberg tried to do and ban junk foods and soft drinks over a certain size? Will they ban smoking on base? Or will they just have more briefing and posters on how to be healthy? Either way it's doomed to fail. More of the the government telling us how to live our lives. Gotta love the military socialist complex. 98 days!!!

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    Anyone else find this guy's title humorous? "acting deputy assistant secretary" Seems like a bunch of words strung together to make a lackey sound important...kinda like Chief Master Sergeant of the Air Force I guess...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shrike View Post
    You just gotta love the law of unintended consequence. If we have healthier people it MUST save health care costs, right? It's so simple, right?
    No, what you end up with is a population that lives longer and thus incurs greater long-term health costs, especially with end of life care and long-term end of life illnesses. Tobacco and obesity may have greater health care costs short term but by dying at earlier ages the smokers and fat folks ultimately cost less. If the DOD wants to save health care costs they need to start encouraging people who are reaching about 15 years TIS to embrace a sedentary lifestyle, eat unhealthy foods, smoke more, and booze it up. Discount prices for retirees for booze, smokes, and on-base fast food joints will also ultimately help the cause.
    Or possibly provide inadequate mental health services to vets with PTSD which causes them to off theirseleves...........Wait a minute.....

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    Somehow I doubt this initiative will be "cost-neutral". The DOD has probably already spent thousands, if not millions on working groups and conferences just to roll out this idea. I'm sure that as wings review the existing infrastructure and initiatives, they will realize they need a bigger gym or "better" equipment...

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    I've always hated the $50B price tag the military spends on medical bills. Is that the average per year over a certain time frame? If it is, does that time frame encompass a certain period where the military is/was invovled in two conflicts which played a part in causing medical care costs to rise?

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    Irony: reading this while sick in bed, probably from (admittedly rather foolishly) running 8 miles in the cold rain on Sunday. My only defense: it felt good at the time.

    My situation aside, my biggest problem with bases is lack of healthy options for lunch. Typically there is subway and maybe the DFAC if its open to all ranks. I brown bag it as a result. I'm not saying that I don't enjoy Popeyes once in a while, or that the grease traps shouldn't exist, only noting I'd like more options, like tropical smoothie cafe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UncommonSense View Post
    I've always hated the $50B price tag the military spends on medical bills. Is that the average per year over a certain time frame? If it is, does that time frame encompass a certain period where the military is/was invovled in two conflicts which played a part in causing medical care costs to rise?
    The military has spent more on me as a direct result of unit PT. Every single physio apt, years of therapy, has been the direct result of unit PT forcing me to do things I did not want to do for fear of being hurt. So, at least in the af anyway, an examination of that medical price tag should include unit stupidity.

    This is from someone who runs half marathons and is currently in the excellent fitness category, so I'm no couch potato complaining about having to work out at all. But dang it, if someone says hey, I don't want to do suicides on the basketball court, can I run 3 miles instead, listen because its not laziness. That cost me 8 months of racing and the AF an equal amount of twice a week physio apts at $125 a pop.
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