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    The Navy only made a mistake ONCE!!!!

    So I'm doing a little research into the Board of Corrections of Naval Records, an entity that is supposed to protect the rights of sailors and remove unjust items for Naval Records.
    I'm interested in this because my husband received a DFC from an abusive CO ( bragged about punching subordinate and getting away with it, gave every officer on the ship an LOI etc.) Every JAG we talked to said my husband had an iron clad case to BCNR because apart from the fact that the accusations were unsubstantiated the CO also did not follow basic PERS instructions for DFC. We were SHOCKED when the DFC was not overturned.
    Then I found this little nugget on the Navy Times....
    http://www.navytimes.com/news/2011/0...stent-062011w/
    Only ONE DFC has been overturned in at least 30 years?!?!?! Maybe ever?!?!?! WHAT THE WHAT?!?!?
    So I'm supposed to believe that only ONE person in Navy has been wrongly fired since the BCNR was established in 1945? Sounds like a broken system if you ask me.
    And before you say, "yes but DFCs are very rare" consider this....
    The CO gave five DFCs in the course of a year. The COMDESRON that my husband was sent to was packed with people DFCd for things ranging from adultery to failed shipboard inspections.
    Why isn't anyone investigating the BCNR?

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    Re: The Navy only made a mistake ONCE!!!!

    1) First off, "LTwife": Don't expect much support when you use your husband's rank as part of your own personal user name. It's as though you're trying to boast. I'd disown my wife if she had a log-in name "CDRwife" (my wife is senior to you because of my rank). Get my point?

    2) If your hubby's CO "DFC'd" people for adultery to failed shipboard inspections, you'd better be damn sure your hubby LT isn't hiding something before you go flinging mud. He may be innocent; however, I've known a few in my time that were given "DFC's" for affairs but asked to have it "disguised" in their write-up as a favor to salvage their marriage. Again, I don't know your "LThusband's" whole story but, DFC's aren't a sole action of the CO. These do get reviewed and validated from above his CO.

    3) Before a CO can give a DFC (as part of above) he has to have substantial evidence to support his/her rationale. Again, something like this doesn't stick if the CO didn't forward significant evidence with the DFC. I think you need to have a hard ball conversation with LThubby before you enter the forum pointing fingers on his behalf.

    4) Don't forget to change your user name. Trying to pull rank in any fashion in this forum will get you nowhere fast. At the very least, it's a magnet for bastards like me to let you know LT's wive's are a dime a dozen and don't have a lick of common sense when they try to leverage their husband's rank for their own personal gain.

    Have a fine Navy Day!

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    Re: The Navy only made a mistake ONCE!!!!

    Sorry if my tag offended you or anyone else. Only lack of creativity and not "wearing my husband's rank."
    So my honest questioning of a PROCEDURE means that you have a personal obligation to belittle and insult me? Picking on a woman, nicely played.
    I am a "dime a dozen" when it comes to being married to someone in the military but am also the rare wife to who trying to make sense of the loss of career my husband loved. And yes I've read the DFC as well as written statements from several sources about the command climate.
    Let me put it in this context sea lawyer....you know the "horrible Holly Graf" who was fired from USS Cowpins for cruelty to subordinates? What happened to all the people she fired? It appears their DFCs were not overturned. And can you honestly tell me that the Navy didn't know she was a nut job until AFTER she took command of that ship.

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    Re: The Navy only made a mistake ONCE!!!!

    :doh Please don't push...you cannot have 'equal rights' and want 90% of 'em.......:clock

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    Re: The Navy only made a mistake ONCE!!!!

    What the heck is a DFC?

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    Re: The Navy only made a mistake ONCE!!!!

    I don't think he was belittling or insulting you. I think he was just trying to tell you the reality of the situation.

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    Re: The Navy only made a mistake ONCE!!!!

    :spy 'Catch-22' Detachment For Cause'....:smash

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    Re: The Navy only made a mistake ONCE!!!!

    As was said earlier, when some is detached for cause the detachment, circumstances surrounding it and leading up to it are examined and adjudicated and finalized, I once saw the review process take almost 18 months but in the end it was upheld.

    Quote Originally Posted by LTwife View Post
    you know the "horrible Holly Graf" who was fired from USS Cowpins for cruelty to subordinates? What happened to all the people she fired? It appears their DFCs were not overturned.
    Just because CAPT Graf or any other Commanding Officer is relieved does not mean that anyone they detached for cause (misconduct, poor judgment, the subordinate’s inability to complete assigned duties etc.) immediately gets a reprieve. Bad Commanders also have less than standard people that work for them; if your Command is lacking you are still expected to perform your duties to a satisfactory standard -- even people who love their jobs may not be able to meet that standard. There are avenues for your husband to pursue if he thinks he has a case, if he has not he may be quietly and personally acknowledging that he fell short, if he doesn’t know what they are he needs to do some research.

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    Re: The Navy only made a mistake ONCE!!!!

    double post

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    Quote Originally Posted by LTwife View Post
    So my honest questioning of a PROCEDURE means that you have a personal obligation to belittle and insult me? Picking on a woman, nicely played.
    Belittle? Insult? Are you always this sensitive (and annoying)?

    Don't come here and play the "woman card". hwell

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