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    Re: Tuition-aid cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by BURAWSKI View Post
    I understand that these are across the board cuts. I get that. But what I don't understand is why these cuts are being made like this.
    This is only my opinion, and I am sure there are many here that will disagree or paint with a broad brush for saying so:

    They are doing it in this manner to make everyone mad. These are the instances that will be pointed to during the next election cycle as a reason to vote for someone, or not to vote for someone. I honestly don't think there is any other rhyme or reason to it. If they were serious about cutting waste, they would approach it in a methodical manner with the best interest of the people in mind. This is obviously not what is happening. I do agree completely cuts need to be made and DoD is the most ripe target, but there are other things besides TA that can be done away with. Any entity that will willingly endanger their most important element (the humans) to better themselves is not acting in the best interest of those same people.
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    I agree. Not only that, but the sequester was already written as law BEFORE the elections occured.
    And there was a reason for that.

    Idea was to force action before it took effect to come up with some (so-called) intelligent ways to trim the budget.

    Problem is, once the elections were over the folks that hold sway over the process decided to be part of the problem and not part of the solution.

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    As a whole - none. I've heard there is a Constitutional issue involved that prevents that from happening, but I have not heard the specific section cited that applies.
    The one thing in the constitution that is supposed to be funded by the government is taking the biggest cut in benefits and pay while funding foreign hostile countries militaries are on the rise. Why the hell are we giving money to Egypt who wants to destroy our ONLY ally in the middle east?

    On an individual level, some (and I only know of a couple who happen to be Democrats) who have agreed to do without their pay for each day furloughs are in effect for the civilian employees.

    At least the bread and butter issues for the military are (so far) not being affected as far as I know. By that, I mean pay and subsistance.

    Personally, I think we all need to have very long memories in 2014 and 2016.
    Agreed. And remember that the GOP is also part of the problem with these LONG standing wars that are causing massive stress on military personel and families.
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    Quote Originally Posted by efmbman View Post
    This is only my opinion, and I am sure there are many here that will disagree or paint with a broad brush for saying so:

    They are doing it in this manner to make everyone mad. These are the instances that will be pointed to during the next election cycle as a reason to vote for someone, or not to vote for someone. I honestly don't think there is any other rhyme or reason to it. If they were serious about cutting waste, they would approach it in a methodical manner with the best interest of the people in mind. This is obviously not what is happening. I do agree completely cuts need to be made and DoD is the most ripe target, but there are other things besides TA that can be done away with. Any entity that will willingly endanger their most important element (the humans) to better themselves is not acting in the best interest of those same people.
    And yet as an American people, we cant bring ourselves to see that having a base/post/port in 90% of the world, feeding these countries with our money from renting the land, troops spending money in THEIR economies, and paying taxes towards being there is not the first thing that should be cut. Lets be real here, we should NOT be in most of the areas around the world and need to pull our forces back to the states. Does anyone remember reading about the many, MANY empires of the past who expanded their troops beyond their borders and eventually went bankrupt? I mean seriously, why are we still in Germany, Japan, Korea, Italy, central and south America, Africa, Great britian? Most of the countries are either well off enough to take care of themselves or dont want us there to begin with, lets come home already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Bosun View Post
    As a whole - none. I've heard there is a Constitutional issue involved that prevents that from happening, but I have not heard the specific section cited that applies.
    You are correct. It is the 27th amendment. "No law, varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and Representatives, shall take effect, until an election of Representatives shall have intervened." This was MEANT to prevent Congress from giving themselves a pay raise but now prevents a pay cut (though the Dems said they would axe one anyway)....
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    Quote Originally Posted by WILDJOKER5 View Post
    The one thing in the constitution that is supposed to be funded by the government is taking the biggest cut in benefits and pay while funding foreign hostile countries militaries are on the rise. Why the hell are we giving money to Egypt who wants to destroy our ONLY ally in the middle east?



    Agreed. And remember that the GOP is also part of the problem with these LONG standing wars that are causing massive stress on military personel and families.
    There's plenty of blame to go around here.

    Yes, the GOP has to shoulder some for supporting a military action against Iraq that was based on rather shaky grounds.

    However, the Democrats also have to take some for their prior actions, such as initiating the Great Society in the 1960's and trying to have both guns and butter by starting that at the same time we were ramping up military operations in Vietnam.

    In any event, it is a mess and both the military and the federal civilian employees are paying the price for the inaction of others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Bosun View Post
    There's plenty of blame to go around here.

    Yes, the GOP has to shoulder some for supporting a military action against Iraq that was based on rather shaky grounds.

    However, the Democrats also have to take some for their prior actions, such as initiating the Great Society in the 1960's and trying to have both guns and butter by starting that at the same time we were ramping up military operations in Vietnam.

    In any event, it is a mess and both the military and the federal civilian employees are paying the price for the inaction of others.
    I put the blame on both parties for sure. One party come in and raises expenses on one aspect of the American life, then when the opposite party comes in base off rehtoric of how bad the other party is for spending so much on "x", they dont cut the spending generally and raise spending on the other aspect of American life. Its a fucked up seesaw that only sees each side go up, but never bringing it the other side down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BURAWSKI View Post
    I understand that these are across the board cuts. I get that. But what I don't understand is why these cuts are being made like this. No one is actually taking the time to analyze where to cut -- heck, just taking a chopping block and cutting without even looking at where the waste actually is. And there is waste out there - no doubt about it. I don't know, but I didn't vote for this. I am sure the people who did vote didn't anticipate getting screwed over either. They voted with the hope that these elected officials were going to do their jobs and come up with a budget. And cutting across the board is not a budget in my book. Anyone can do that - I am a high school graduate and can do that. These are people with the big fancy law and economic degrees who get paid to avoid these kind of problems. They are not, and haven't been, doing their jobs. No accountability. If I performed like these lawmakers I would have been terminated years ago. I have a checking account that I am expected to manage in order to avoid writing bad checks. I am held accountable if I spend more than I earn. That's what needs to be done: accountability. I agree there is a lot of apathy among the public but these lawmakers have a lot of apathy as well -- they only care about their own agendas and step on those that they are supposed to serve. These lawmakers work for us, but it they act (and perform) as though we work for them. And if I were President I wouldn't even be seen near a golf course or out on vacation until this budget crisis was solved. He hasn't done anything to deserve a vacation.



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    There's that dirty little word "hope" again. Hope isn't going to solve our problems. Electing qualifed people who can really make a difference(dem or repub) will. If the average american voter would spend just 3 hours researching the positions of the candidates on their particular ballot and come up with a "informed" decision on who they will vote for, then we wouldn't be in this situation. Unfortuantly, most americans do not take the time to check out the ballot in advance and tend to vote for whoever the last candidate they saw on TV or in the mailer and we end up voting those folks in regardless if they can do the job or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by efmbman View Post
    This is only my opinion, and I am sure there are many here that will disagree or paint with a broad brush for saying so:

    They are doing it in this manner to make everyone mad. These are the instances that will be pointed to during the next election cycle as a reason to vote for someone, or not to vote for someone. I honestly don't think there is any other rhyme or reason to it. If they were serious about cutting waste, they would approach it in a methodical manner with the best interest of the people in mind. This is obviously not what is happening. I do agree completely cuts need to be made and DoD is the most ripe target, but there are other things besides TA that can be done away with. Any entity that will willingly endanger their most important element (the humans) to better themselves is not acting in the best interest of those same people.
    The best part is that none of those elected can be blamed for any of these cuts directly...they are "powerless" if they blame 'em all on sequestration.... The Dems can blame the Reps for not raising taxes, the Reps can blame the Dems for coming up with sequestration and not voting on spending cuts... Neither one has to shoulder any direct blame for any specific program cuts. Obama was a friggin genius to come up with the idea of sequester and everyone that voted for it (under the guise of planning to fix the problem before it took effect) was smart...
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