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    Quote Originally Posted by EODCOLRET View Post
    I specifically joined the Forums to address your comments. I guess if you don't consider CPSAN a viable news source you could question the statement. I watched the CSPAN broadcast live and saw the Senator makes the comments about veterans/military retirees couldn't have an exemption because "you wouldn't be able to identify those that didn't have PTSD" so they shouldn't have an exemption and calling PTSD "a new phenomena of the Iraq War". I personally found it extremely insulting and a return to the days of calling Vietnam vets "psycho baby killers". Also not an isolated case since the exact same tone/comments were made in CO Senate during their gun control hearings by Democratic State Senator Mary Hodge.
    I am standing right there beside you in thinking that this is insulting at the least and absurd at the most. So just because I had survivor's guilt and had to take some anti-depression meds back 6 years ago. Now that would disqualify me from having a weapon in my house? Is that what you are saying Joe? Get off your fucking Socialist/Maoist soapbox for once and see it how it is really seen by everyday people.
    By saying that us service men and women who have been to a hazardous environment are not capable of buying and having weapons. Then that defeats the whole judgement of sending people off to war. If you are going to send me off to war to protect my way of life and the country. Then as soon as I get home from said war be told that I can't have a weapon in my own house. That violates my civil liberties and is against the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution.

    Joe, 1 or 2 good things done by Sen. Fienstien for us Veterans does not out weigh all the bad that she has done.

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    Re: Feinstin says were all mental

    Quote Originally Posted by EODCOLRET View Post
    I specifically joined the Forums to address your comments. I guess if you don't consider CPSAN a viable news source you could question the statement. I watched the CSPAN broadcast live and saw the Senator makes the comments about veterans/military retirees couldn't have an exemption because "you wouldn't be able to identify those that didn't have PTSD" so they shouldn't have an exemption and calling PTSD "a new phenomena of the Iraq War". I personally found it extremely insulting and a return to the days of calling Vietnam vets "psycho baby killers". Also not an isolated case since the exact same tone/comments were made in CO Senate during their gun control hearings by Democratic State Senator Mary Hodge.
    I consider the websites listed as being involved in sensationalism.

    The CSPAN link you mention was on LiveLeak. I don't consider that source reputable.

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    Re: Feinstin says were all mental

    Quote Originally Posted by CYBERFX1024 View Post
    I am standing right there beside you in thinking that this is insulting at the least and absurd at the most. So just because I had survivor's guilt and had to take some anti-depression meds back 6 years ago. Now that would disqualify me from having a weapon in my house? Is that what you are saying Joe? Get off your fucking Socialist/Maoist soapbox for once and see it how it is really seen by everyday people.
    I don't know what the acceptable qualifiers or specifics would be. Nor have I said I necessarily agree with the idea. I just think all of this hysterical rambling I'm seeing in this thread is dumb and blown out of proportion. Its also silly to go on a rant about how horrible Feinstein is when she's actually done a lot of positive things for veterans - but might have been off target with this particular idea.

    And I find it hilarious that you called me a "Maoist". LOL!!! You do realize that Mao armed and trained peasant farmers to overthrow the government, right? How the fuck is DIS-arming the masses "Maoism"? You just threw out that term with absolutely not the foggiest idea of what it meant, didn't you?

    I love how people throw around these labels "communist/socialist/maoist/leninist/stalinist/etc"... apparently believing these terms are all synonymous and interchangeable. But then again, some people also accuse Obama of being an atheist and a muslim in the same breath - so I guess in their minds it makes sense.

    And no - that wasn't an endorsement of Mao - I'm just clarifying what the term actually means. Not to say that Maoism isn't ineffective revolutionary concept from a military/political standpoint... its very effective. But gun control isn't one of the tenets.

    By saying that us service men and women who have been to a hazardous environment are not capable of buying and having weapons. Then that defeats the whole judgement of sending people off to war. If you are going to send me off to war to protect my way of life and the country. Then as soon as I get home from said war be told that I can't have a weapon in my own house. That violates my civil liberties and is against the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution.
    War damages people. And it breaks people. That's why war is a bad thing, and should be avoided. To say war has no psychological effect, and that people function perfectly fine afterwards is - well - foolish - and you yourself having struggled with depression should know this.

    And yes, I'm in the same boat, I've been on a few meds in the past - however briefly.

    Joe, 1 or 2 good things done by Sen. Fienstien for us Veterans does not out weigh all the bad that she has done.
    I can't wait for this... in regards to veterans, what is "all the bad she has done" - and mind you, I'm talking about veteran issues specifically, so don't go off on a rant about the war on christmas or some shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Bonham View Post
    I'm talking about veteran issues specifically, so don't go off on a rant about the war on christmas or some shit.
    Oh, so you now you want to take Christmas away from veterans?!? Feinstein certainly does.
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    Re: Feinstin says were all mental

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Bonham View Post
    Where did she say ALL veterans are like this? If you're diagnosed with a mental disorder, be it PTSD or something else - yes, one could make a good case you wouldn't necessarily be a responsible gun owner. Though that would the agenda of "putting a gun in every household."
    Conflicts with the Americans With Disabilities Act, doesn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert F. Dorr View Post
    Conflicts with the Americans With Disabilities Act, doesn't it?
    Does it? I don't think it would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Bonham View Post
    Does it? I don't think it would.
    How wouldnt it conflict with it?

    Also, Joe do you think a person that took anti-depressants for a short period of time while in counseling should be banned from gun ownership? I'm 100% certain that this would put an even larger stigma on the mental health program which is already mildly effective due to the fact folks are worried about their clearances. Now guy wont go because they're afraid being labeled as to crazy to own a weapon. Shitty situation.

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    Re: Feinstin says were all mental

    Quote Originally Posted by JD2780 View Post
    How wouldnt it conflict with it?
    Where in the ADA does it say that? Show me.

    So how about driver's licenses? If you're blind and aren't allowed to drive, by your reasoning, isn't that a violation too?

    Also, Joe do you think a person that took anti-depressants for a short period of time while in counseling should be banned from gun ownership? I'm 100% certain that this would put an even larger stigma on the mental health program which is already mildly effective due to the fact folks are worried about their clearances. Now guy wont go because they're afraid being labeled as to crazy to own a weapon. Shitty situation.
    As I already stated... no, I don't think so.

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    Re: Feinstin says were all mental

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Bonham View Post
    Where in the ADA does it say that? Show me.

    So how about driver's licenses? If you're blind and aren't allowed to drive, by your reasoning, isn't that a violation too?
    It depends. Is there medication that can handle the symptoms of blindness?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Bonham View Post
    And I find it hilarious that you called me a "Maoist". LOL!!! You do realize that Mao armed and trained peasant farmers to overthrow the government, right? How the fuck is DIS-arming the masses "Maoism"? You just threw out that term with absolutely not the foggiest idea of what it meant, didn't you?

    I love how people throw around these labels "communist/socialist/maoist/leninist/stalinist/etc"... apparently believing these terms are all synonymous and interchangeable. But then again, some people also accuse Obama of being an atheist and a muslim in the same breath - so I guess in their minds it makes sense.

    And no - that wasn't an endorsement of Mao - I'm just clarifying what the term actually means. Not to say that Maoism isn't ineffective revolutionary concept from a military/political standpoint... its very effective. But gun control isn't one of the tenets.
    Apparently you have no idea what you are talking about there Joe... Chairman Mao was a HUGE proponant of gun control. He only wanted guns in the hands of communists so he disarmed everyone else...course then they slaughtered their unarmed countrymen but.....
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