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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert F. Dorr View Post
    I'm not sure why Burawski and Vrake think North Korea is "starting to ratchet up their rhetoric." I haven't seen that reported. No one I know who follows North Korea thinks that. By traditional standards, North Korean speeches and media have been fairly mellow as of late. Allowing a sports figure to appear in public with Kim was an enormous public-relations coup but it was anything but hostile.

    Not refueling one carrier (not carriers, plural) for a temporary period and threatening to delay inspections is all cosmetic posturing. This time around, the Navy has proven better at it than the Air Force, which normally excels at rolling out the "Washington Monument Syndrome."

    Besides, those air wings won't be grounded much longer anyway.

    Mr Dorr a run through cnn or foxnews will show you the article where NK are saying they are ending the armistice and will "strike the US". It's all talk as everyone knows. They would not be stupid enough to do anything of substance. As for my multiple refuel comment there has been talk ( talk I know but where there is smoke there is fire) about putting the CVN-73 in storage rather then refuel it. I don't know how much weight that holds but just hearing it is disturbing.

    This link is mellow?

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/03...anctions-vote/


    And an edit***.

    I don't know if you are privy to message traffic but it is already hitting us with our jets in PMI'S. Jets are being slid and delayed already because they are so old. While we wait for them we run the hours off the ones we have. So I will say if this is a Washington Monument Syndrome it sucks to have the symptoms with no cure in sight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vrake View Post
    I think NK is ratcheting it up deliberately. Thanks to modern media they are well aware of our problems. Every time they show their ass it is when we have other stuff going on.

    I am all about saving money but when we won't do preventative maintanence on our aircraft or refuel scheduled Carriers I get nervous. They are saying like 250 jets won't get PMI's done due to this. It just creates an even worse backlog because we are flying the crap out of the jets that are still good. PMI'S take time to do right that's not something we can cut corners on.

    If you take a look at history, you can see why countries like NK and Iran are ratcheting it up. Back in the 70's when DOD was gutted after Vietenam, the Soviet Union took advantage and started a cold war with us. That war was ended in the 80's after we re-built the mighty U.S. war machine and Soviets caved in.
    Back in the 90's when DOD was gutted again after Desert Storm, Bin Laden was allowed to plan and execute his attacks on the U.S. at the WTC (twice) and several embassies overseas. Again we re-built our war machine and beat back Al Queda (but gave up defeating them).
    So here we are now, getting ready to gut DOD again and the bad guys (NK, Iran, and other terrorist sleeper cells that we don't know about yet) are looking to make their move and kick us when we are at our weakest.
    All that it takes is stop deploying some ships/troops and to start allowing lethal weapons (knives) on airplanes again and our enemies will come calling. Yes, it cost's ALOT of money to keep our war machine running, but based in history and it's knack for repeating itself, it is worth every penny that we spend to keep us safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by navyskcs View Post
    If you take a look at history, you can see why countries like NK and Iran are ratcheting it up. Back in the 70's when DOD was gutted after Vietenam, the Soviet Union took advantage and started a cold war with us. That war was ended in the 80's after we re-built the mighty U.S. war machine and Soviets caved in.
    Back in the 90's when DOD was gutted again after Desert Storm, Bin Laden was allowed to plan and execute his attacks on the U.S. at the WTC (twice) and several embassies overseas. Again we re-built our war machine and beat back Al Queda (but gave up defeating them).
    So here we are now, getting ready to gut DOD again and the bad guys (NK, Iran, and other terrorist sleeper cells that we don't know about yet) are looking to make their move and kick us when we are at our weakest.
    All that it takes is stop deploying some ships/troops and to start allowing lethal weapons (knives) on airplanes again and our enemies will come calling. Yes, it cost's ALOT of money to keep our war machine running, but based in history and it's knack for repeating itself, it is worth every penny that we spend to keep us safe.
    Well said you are right.

    Something about those who don't know history are doomed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vrake View Post
    Well said you are right.

    Something about those who don't know history are doomed?

    I really think the Navy is going to get hurt a lot by all of this indecisiveness on the budget. Cutting the DOD budget without properly vetting which areas are more appropriate to do so will undermine our warfighting capacity and endanger our national security. Not to mention the morale of our Sailors. Also, it seems to be different this time. I remember the drawdown in the 90's, but what I'm hearing from the legislators and the Pentagon is frightening. I don't think it's crying wolf this time around. We are in for some serious hurting. Too bad the servicemembers are in the middle of this. It doesn't appear that there is anyone that can help them.

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    Dan
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    Recruit Training Command (Company 50), Orlando, FL Dec 1981-Jan 1982; CTO "A" and "C" schools NTTC Corry Station, Pensacola, FL Feb-Oct 1982; USS Saratoga (CV-60) 1982-1985; USS Forrestal (CV-59) 1985-1988; ONI Det Naval War College, Newport, RI 1988-1991; NAVSECGRUACT Terceira Island, Azores, Portugal 1991-1992; NAVSECGRUACT Rota, Spain 1992-1995; National Security Agency, Fort Meade, MD 1995-1998; USS John F. Kennedy (CV-67) 1998-2001.

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