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    Quote Originally Posted by jondstewart View Post
    Do you mean Kunsan? That's the better one of the Korea assignments, from what I heard over the years. Not as nice as Osan, but it's more of a family environment and not like Osan, where it's every man for himself and an exercise every 2 weeks
    The words "family environment" aren't the first that come to mind when Kunsan is mentioned. My visit to Kunsan in 1999 is a long time ago now but I wonder if anything has changed. It was a place where considerable pressure was placed upon airmen to behave like extreme, evangelical born-again Christians whether they held such beliefs or not. This is not unusual in an Air Force that has been all but taken over by Bible thumpers but it was openly acknowledged during my Kunsan visit. During the era before 9-11, this was the only remote tour in the Air Force and to describe the airmen at Kunsan as one happy family would be to overlook the intrusive behavior of leadership.

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    Re: Finally a PCS.

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert F. Dorr View Post
    The words "family environment" aren't the first that come to mind when Kunsan is mentioned. My visit to Kunsan in 1999 is a long time ago now but I wonder if anything has changed. It was a place where considerable pressure was placed upon airmen to behave like extreme, evangelical born-again Christians whether they held such beliefs or not. This is not unusual in an Air Force that has been all but taken over by Bible thumpers but it was openly acknowledged during my Kunsan visit. During the era before 9-11, this was the only remote tour in the Air Force and to describe the airmen at Kunsan as one happy family would be to overlook the intrusive behavior of leadership.
    Yes, the pressure to behave like "eveangelical born-again Christians" by going out every night and drinking until one passes out in a ditch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert F. Dorr View Post
    The words "family environment" aren't the first that come to mind when Kunsan is mentioned. My visit to Kunsan in 1999 is a long time ago now but I wonder if anything has changed. It was a place where considerable pressure was placed upon airmen to behave like extreme, evangelical born-again Christians whether they held such beliefs or not. This is not unusual in an Air Force that has been all but taken over by Bible thumpers but it was openly acknowledged during my Kunsan visit. During the era before 9-11, this was the only remote tour in the Air Force and to describe the airmen at Kunsan as one happy family would be to overlook the intrusive behavior of leadership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jondstewart View Post
    Do you mean Kunsan? That's the better one of the Korea assignments, from what I heard over the years. Not as nice as Osan, but it's more of a family environment and not like Osan, where it's every man for himself and an exercise every 2 weeks
    Yep Kunsan, Korea. I don't care much for the look of the base and all that...just gon do my year and gtfo. Hopefully...Hickam awaits for a follow on.
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    As far as England goes which do you think is better to be at?

    Lakenheath or Mildenhall?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sergeant eNYgma View Post
    Got Kun...

    Anyone else get any assignments?
    Cancel that shit in a HEARTBEAT!

    Unless you want First Shirts and douchebag Senior NCOs in your business 24/7, tell AFPC to shove it.

    Osan is a better assignment, since it's every man for himself and nobody gives a damn really.

    Take this from someone who has done 3 tours at the Kun and one tour at Osan. I've seen the ROK become progressively worse from 1995 - 2005 time frame. I can only imagine how fascist USFK has become now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert F. Dorr View Post
    The words "family environment" aren't the first that come to mind when Kunsan is mentioned. My visit to Kunsan in 1999 is a long time ago now but I wonder if anything has changed. It was a place where considerable pressure was placed upon airmen to behave like extreme, evangelical born-again Christians whether they held such beliefs or not. This is not unusual in an Air Force that has been all but taken over by Bible thumpers but it was openly acknowledged during my Kunsan visit. During the era before 9-11, this was the only remote tour in the Air Force and to describe the airmen at Kunsan as one happy family would be to overlook the intrusive behavior of leadership.
    When I was there last in 2004 - 2005, Col Uhle, the Wing Commander at the time (I refuse to call him "Wolf", as General Olds is turning in his grave at the thought of what Uhle turned the Wolf Pack into) pretty much did exactly just that. Uhle was all too happy to take whatever frag orders coming down from USFK at that time, and going one step above, to show how "corporate Blue" of a Yes Man he truly was.

    A devout Mormon, he was the first commander to enact an off-limits policy for A-Town, due to the new (at that time) "Human trafficking" policies that were coming down from the DoD. He didn't want "his" airmen paying money to see Juicee girls get up and shuffle about aimlessly on stage. Nevermind the fact that by late 2004, most the Juicee girls has been packed up and moved away by the Korean mafia, and A-Town bars were becoming more like downtown Kunsan instead. As wild and as crazy as Songtan and Itaewon can both be on a weekend night, even they didn't have such enacted policies at the time. He wanted to show USFK and PACAF that Kunsan was "leading the way". He finally declared A-Town back on limits again, only after the local bar owners complained enough to him...but he set a strict curfew for midnight. Even then, the fun factor was extremely low, and you could easily count the OSI guys dressed in plain clothes, spying on people and making sure that nobody was "buying a Juicee" for the night. When Sinbad the comedian came to tour, he asked him in front of an entire audience "What can happen between the hours of midnight and 5 am, that can't happen at any other time of the day?". Amongst shrieks and howls of laughter, he sat there with only a shit-eating grin on his face.

    He had the Senior NCOs and First Shirts patroling A-Town like Darth Vader's storm troopers on parade practically. One night I was stopped 3 times walking from the Stereo Club to the A-Town bus, being accosted by these half-wits, simply because I didn't have a wingman with me. Nevermind the fact that you can't throw a rock without hitting an American in A-Town, these meat puppets blindly pushed the mantra that everyone MUST have a wingman.

    He also tried shutting down all the hooches on base, since the 'perception' was that they were there to serve only alcohol to airmen, and nothing else. Thankfully, someone with enough common sense at JAG told him "No way, Jose", declaring the hooches as morale building environments, whose primary purpose was not to serve alcoholic beverages. Anyone who has been to the 8 CES Devil's Den knows exactly what I'm talking about.

    He even raised the drinking limit on base to the age of 21. Legal drinking age in Korea is 20, but he decided that if you were stationed at Kunsan, you had to be at least 21 to enjoy some libations. If you were caught drinking off base, then you were SOL.

    He pushed religion HARD on people there...had the Christian band "FFH" (Far From Home) come play a live performance on the football field, and then hold an altar call afterwards. Anyone who has been to the Kun knows that you can't turn around without knocking someone over, the base is that tiny. Everything is compressed together, and even if you don't want to hear some band playing their crappy music, you have no choice but to tolerate it, since everything is within earshot.

    He pushed some other religious activities focusing on the Sonlight Inn and what not, and at this point in my life, I forget what they were specifically (one of them I think was to have an open forum amongst the different religions there on base...everyone from Born-Again Christian to Buddhist had a representation and then the chaplain tried to justify how Islam is a 'religion of peace' at that time, despite the beheadings of some Red Cross volunteers by their terrorist buddies).

    All I know is I shit my Dress Blues in 2008, when Uhle, promoted to a One-star, was the VIP at my NCOA graduation on Ramstein. "WTF is this douchebag doing talking at my graduation?" I thought to myself, as I became heavily intoxicated that evening. I hold him directly accountable for taking what was the last part of the "real Air Force" in my opinion, and watering it down to become no different than any other bland, soul-crushing bureaucratic assignment you can find in today's Air Force. The 8 FW killed the Wolf Pack, and he was directly responsible.

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    Re: Finally a PCS.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sergeant eNYgma View Post
    Got Kun...

    Anyone else get any assignments?
    I loved Kunsan, I can honestly say it was best assignment to date. We did work hard but we played hard too. I have been trying to go back but I am so far down the list it's bananas. Good Luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert F. Dorr View Post
    The words "family environment" aren't the first that come to mind when Kunsan is mentioned. My visit to Kunsan in 1999 is a long time ago now but I wonder if anything has changed. It was a place where considerable pressure was placed upon airmen to behave like extreme, evangelical born-again Christians whether they held such beliefs or not. This is not unusual in an Air Force that has been all but taken over by Bible thumpers but it was openly acknowledged during my Kunsan visit. During the era before 9-11, this was the only remote tour in the Air Force and to describe the airmen at Kunsan as one happy family would be to overlook the intrusive behavior of leadership.
    Wrong, TACPs and their support folks had remotes at Camp Red Cloud and Camp Casey in Korea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MACHINE666 View Post
    Cancel that shit in a HEARTBEAT!

    Unless you want First Shirts and douchebag Senior NCOs in your business 24/7, tell AFPC to shove it.

    Osan is a better assignment, since it's every man for himself and nobody gives a damn really.

    Take this from someone who has done 3 tours at the Kun and one tour at Osan. I've seen the ROK become progressively worse from 1995 - 2005 time frame. I can only imagine how fascist USFK has become now.
    Though that sounds quite bad I can't do it. I'll finally escape from here after 2 cancelled deployments and a cancelled PCS.
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