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    Quote Originally Posted by efmbman View Post
    Here is another new example of awarding of the Purple Heart:

    http://www.duffelblog.com/2013/03/de...-for-butthurt/
    Yeah. Well, this one is. It really is. A joke, that is.

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    Re: Somebody please tell me this is a joke

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Bonham View Post
    "Political correctness" seems to have become a term for all things bad. This has nothing to do with being PC... this is about a particular career field manipulating the award system to their own benefit.
    Yes it has, and that distinction is well deserved.

    *My late reply was due to the fact that I didn't receive an email that there was a reply to my post until today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wxjumper View Post
    Yes it has, and that distinction is well deserved.

    *My late reply was due to the fact that I didn't receive an email that there was a reply to my post until today.
    Deserved but the precedence is screwed up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JD2780 View Post
    Deserved but the precedence is screwed up.
    What the hell is wrong with Hagel? I would figure that he of all people would understand why everyone is pissed.

    http://www.military.com/daily-news/2...3435630&rank=5

    Hagel Will Not Reduce Drone Medal's Precedence
    Mar 08, 2013
    Military.com| by Bryant Jordan


    Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel will not alter the ranking of the recently announced Distinguished Warfare Medal, intended for drone pilots that has drawn controversy because it takes precedence over the Bronze Star for valor and the Purple Heart.

    In a letter to the Veterans of Foreign Wars, the first group to come out against the new medal's ranking, Hagel said he is satisfied with the criteria and placement of the new medal. The medal is intended for drone pilots and cyber warfare specialists whose actions have a direct impact on combat operations.

    "I have discussed at length the reasoning and process leading up to establishing the DWM with the [service secretaries and chiefs] and accept their judgment that the award is at the appropriate level," Hagel said in his letter.

    Hagel is currently visiting troops in Afghanistan. A Pentagon spokesman said the secretary acknowledged the issues that veterans group have with the medal, but does not plan to change its order of precedence.

    "The medal was unanimously recommended by the Chairman and the Joint Chiefs of Staff to the Secretary. We understand the concerns of veteran's groups, but at this time, there's no plan to change the DWM's order of precedence," said Navy Lt. Cmdr. Nate Christensen, a Pentagon spokesman.

    VFW Commander-in-Chief John Hamilton is now calling on its members across the country to "light up Congress' phone lines and emails" to demand legislation downgrading the medal.

    "I cannot tell you how displeased I am with the new defense secretary for not overruling what has proven to be an extremely divisive decision by his predecessor," Hamilton wrote in a letter Friday to all VFW department, district and post commanders.

    He said "the buck hasn't stopped yet."

    "We have many friends in Congress who agree 100 percent with our position to lower the medal's precedence to below the Purple Heart -- and they have introduced companion bills in both the House and Senate to do just that," he said.

    The House filed legislation in late February and a bill was introduced into the Senate on March 7 to reduce the ranking of the new medal.

    Lawmakers from both houses of Congress had written to Hagel asking him to lower the ranking of the DWM. Rep. Joe Wilson, R-SC, sent a letter on March 4 co-signed by 48 members of Congress, both Republicans and Democrats.

    The Pentagon notified Wilson and Sen. Pat Toomey, R-Pa. -- who also asked the Defense Department to lower the medal's ranking -- on Friday.

    As established, the DWM directly follows the Distinguished Flying Cross, a valor award, which places it higher than the Bronze Star, which may be awarded for valor, and the Purple Heart, which is awarded only for combat wounds or injuries.

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    Re: Somebody please tell me this is a joke

    Looks like SecDef has had a chnge of heart.

    Hagel to order review of drone medal precedence

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    :doh Took looooong enough,must of had a 'butt hurt' moment. :hug

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    Flip-flopping on this will make him weaker in the long run. While I think the DWM stinks, he should pick a position and stick to it.
    When things go wrong in your command, start searching for the reason in increasingly larger concentric circles around your own desk.
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    Re: Somebody please tell me this is a joke

    In response to Mr. Dorr you jumped to the wrong conclusion as usual. I gave you 3 first hand examples of a Purple Heart yet you accuse me of cherry picking...please get a grip. I will further state that a person that makes the ultimate sacrifice for their nation that their family should be better taken care of. In fact anyone that spills blood should be better taken care of.

    In reference to the distinguished warfare medal, there are several medals higher in precedence than the Purple Heart (LEgion of merit, distinguished service medal and others) that do not necessarily require combat. So is it fair that a person who gives their life is awarded a lesser medal than some perfumed prince?

    Lastly, do not state what I should know or not know , I find that quite condescending.

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