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    Re: Troops say proposed UCMJ change unfair in prostitution-legal Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkHeart View Post
    Rusty, Sex is why men work. We may do more for it now than in the past (I doubt it, men have always been superior cooks), but in the end, everything a man does he does for sex.
    Whether its paying a hooker, geting a pricy meal, movie and jewelry, guys always pay for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    Whether its paying a hooker, geting a pricy meal, movie and jewelry, guys always pay for it.
    An interesting twist, men don't pay hookers for sex. We pay them to leave.
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    Re: Troops say proposed UCMJ change unfair in prostitution-legal Germany

    I can guess what some of the responses will be to this thread by those who oppose prostitution, so I will provide my rebuttal to those responses now in order to save time.

    First anticipated response: Prostitution is illegal because prostitutes are abused and mistreated.
    My rebuttal:
    (1) Prostitution is illegal; therefore, that profession is run by criminals. Criminals usually don’t treat people well. Furthermore, the police are the enemy of prostitutes. Prostitutes who are abused and mistreated can not count on the police for support.
    (2) Domestic violence occurs in marriages. Some people, especially radical feminists, would have us believe that the percentage of married women who are abused by their husbands is quite high. If we are really serious about ending all domestic violence against women, shouldn’t we also outlaw the institution of marriage?

    Second anticipated response: Prostitution is illegal because it might damage marriages.
    My rebuttal:
    (1) If we are trying to protect marriages, then why isn’t adultery illegal ( in the civilian world)?
    (2) If we are trying to protect marriages, then why do we have unilateral no-fault divorce?
    (3) If we are trying to protect marriages, then why is it so easy to file for a divorce?

    Third anticipated response: Prostitution is illegal because prostitutes spread STDs (including HIV)
    My rebuttal:
    (1) If we were really serious about stopping STDs, then wouldn’t we outlaw all forms of promiscuous behavior. STDs is not a problem related only to prostitution.
    (2) In places where prostitution is legal (i.e. Nevada), prostitutes tend to practice safe sex.

    Fourth anticipated response: Prostitution is illegal because prostitutes are women who are forced into the profession.
    My rebuttal:
    (1) How many of the legal prostitutes in Nevada are being forced to work as prostitutes? If prostitution is made legal, then it can be regulated. It is very hard to force some one to work in an industry that is regulated.

    Fifth anticipated response: Legalizing prostitution will significantly damage our culture and our society.
    My rebuttal:
    (1) How would legalized prostitution cause any more damage to our culture and our society than unilateral no-fault divorce, promiscuous behavior, strip clubs, and hard core porn?

    Sixth anticipated response: Legalized prostitution would be a horrible career choice for women.
    My rebuttal:
    (1) I agree. Is that our decision to make for all women? Who among us has the right to make that decision for ALL women? Many people in our country consider the military to be a horrible career choice.
    (2) By legalizing prostitution, it will be easier for the government to offer services to women who desire to leave that profession.

    Seventh anticipated response: No woman would want to be a prostitute.
    My rebuttal:
    (1) Some women do choose to be prostitutes. Google Brooke Taylor.
    (2) No woman ever dreams of being a waitress or a maid. Should it be illegal to employ a woman as a waitress or maid?

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    Re: Troops say proposed UCMJ change unfair in prostitution-legal Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by MACHINE666 View Post
    This still brings up a valid (but overlooked) point. How can the military say that one act is 'moral' (i.e., the killing of a government-sanctioned enemy), yet another act is considered 'immoral' (i.e. prostitution) in countries where it is legal and regulated.

    I'm willing to bet the number of troops who claim PTSD from getting some pussy are ZERO.
    The claim is that bangin hookers supports human trafficking...kinda like smokin pot supports terrorism?
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    Re: Troops say proposed UCMJ change unfair in prostitution-legal Germany

    It will probably get shoved into Article 125 along with all other sex acts and is generally ignored when put to practice.
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    Re: Troops say proposed UCMJ change unfair in prostitution-legal Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by USN - Retired View Post
    I can guess what some of the responses will be to this thread by those who oppose prostitution, so I will provide my rebuttal to those responses now in order to save time.

    First anticipated response: Prostitution is illegal because prostitutes are abused and mistreated.
    My rebuttal:
    (1) Prostitution is illegal; therefore, that profession is run by criminals. Criminals usually don’t treat people well. Furthermore, the police are the enemy of prostitutes. Prostitutes who are abused and mistreated can not count on the police for support.
    (2) Domestic violence occurs in marriages. Some people, especially radical feminists, would have us believe that the percentage of married women who are abused by their husbands is quite high. If we are really serious about ending all domestic violence against women, shouldn’t we also outlaw the institution of marriage?
    Very true USN. Also as we see in several other threads, mistreatment is not limited to prostitutes, spouses and Girl friends also are mistreated (so too are husbands/boyfriends). So cause something may cause mistreatment is no reason to stop it, unless you also stop it for all other things.

    Quote Originally Posted by USN - Retired View Post
    Second anticipated response: Prostitution is illegal because it might damage marriages.
    My rebuttal:
    (1) If we are trying to protect marriages, then why isn’t adultery illegal ( in the civilian world)?
    (2) If we are trying to protect marriages, then why do we have unilateral no-fault divorce?
    (3) If we are trying to protect marriages, then why is it so easy to file for a divorce?
    And with the recent redefinition of marriage, to ME it looks like we no longer care about the definition of marriage, and so why protect it.

    Quote Originally Posted by USN - Retired View Post
    Third anticipated response: Prostitution is illegal because prostitutes spread STDs (including HIV)
    My rebuttal:
    (1) If we were really serious about stopping STDs, then wouldn’t we outlaw all forms of promiscuous behavior. STDs is not a problem related only to prostitution.
    (2) In places where prostitution is legal (i.e. Nevada), prostitutes tend to practice safe sex.
    I have known several females who were "ladies of the night".. even a knob job being bare is rare to come across, compared to couples just hooking up at the local bar. So from my perception they are more Safe sex friendly than the common person.

    Quote Originally Posted by USN - Retired View Post
    Fourth anticipated response: Prostitution is illegal because prostitutes are women who are forced into the profession.
    My rebuttal:
    (1) How many of the legal prostitutes in Nevada are being forced to work as prostitutes? If prostitution is made legal, then it can be regulated. It is very hard to force some one to work in an industry that is regulated.
    While i agree there are plenty of women forced into the sex trade as slaves, that does not (not should it 'paint all women in the industry as sex slaves. Which is imo one of the bigger issues i have with the way the Press has portrayed it. When in Mayport, 4 of the girls in the area i stayed out in town for 3 weeks were hookers by night, college students by day, and their hooking was used as a way to help out pay the bills.. THAT was their choice. same with plenty of other ladies. (like you showed for nevada).

    Quote Originally Posted by USN - Retired View Post
    Fifth anticipated response: Legalizing prostitution will significantly damage our culture and our society.
    My rebuttal:
    (1) How would legalized prostitution cause any more damage to our culture and our society than unilateral no-fault divorce, promiscuous behavior, strip clubs, and hard core porn?
    Especially since most of that porn is not even made in the states but is easily viewable here.

    Quote Originally Posted by USN - Retired View Post
    Sixth anticipated response: Legalized prostitution would be a horrible career choice for women.
    My rebuttal:
    (1) I agree. Is that our decision to make for all women? Who among us has the right to make that decision for ALL women? Many people in our country consider the military to be a horrible career choice.
    (2) By legalizing prostitution, it will be easier for the government to offer services to women who desire to leave that profession.
    Plus by legalizing it, they can
    A) Tax it
    B) license it, so that means those getting licenses get checked out (both medically and legally)
    C) Can be a great reducer for underage girls getting into the biz.
    D) Due to it being legal, gives both the "Johns" and the gals, protection.

    Quote Originally Posted by USN - Retired View Post
    Seventh anticipated response: No woman would want to be a prostitute.
    My rebuttal:
    (1) Some women do choose to be prostitutes. Google Brooke Taylor.
    (2) No woman ever dreams of being a waitress or a maid. Should it be illegal to employ a woman as a waitress or maid?
    See my comment above for the 4 in mayport.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pullinteeth View Post
    The claim is that bangin hookers supports human trafficking...kinda like smokin pot supports terrorism?
    Which i can agree it CAN support it in many overseas areas, cause of the preponderance for those ladies TO be human trafficed, but take Germany or holland, where its legal (or nevada), there are a lot less trafficed people there. So banning it cause the person you get with MAY be a trafficed person is to me akin to shutting the barn door after the horse has bolted.

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    Re: Troops say proposed UCMJ change unfair in prostitution-legal Germany

    I was stationed in Spangdahlem AB, Germany when this article was published and I even responded back to column. I was a young A1C at the time, but now that I'm a mature SSgt, my view has changed (somewhat). The issue that can arise...does visiting a brothel or having a prostitute (legal or illegal) present a good military image? And if you are caught (again, whether its legal or not), what can of personal character does that show to your First Shirt or CC? Even worse, what if you were married and caught?

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    Re: Troops say proposed UCMJ change unfair in prostitution-legal Germany

    :spy Was just reading that last night,was going to post on it....anyway; there are several ways to look at it. For instance be 'Cooped up'(pun intended) on a 'bird farm'(pun intended) for 8 months with only 7 days on the Beach doing 12hr plus days 7 days a week and for non flight deck types not seeing daylight for weeks gets old. Then the average age onboard is 21yrs and fresh meat pilots not much more..it gets kinda crazy. That was my Navy..now they have females onboard so 'mums the word' on how they deal with it! Now with all these Captains,Col.,Gens, etc getting caught with their 'short arm' misplaced in the ranks below them makes you wonder what else they have been down to besides(pun again). Just IMO of course, and do not try this abroad. (pun intended) :smokin

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharkhunter View Post
    I was stationed in Spangdahlem AB, Germany when this article was published and I even responded back to column. I was a young A1C at the time, but now that I'm a mature SSgt, my view has changed (somewhat). The issue that can arise...does visiting a brothel or having a prostitute (legal or illegal) present a good military image? And if you are caught (again, whether its legal or not), what can of personal character does that show to your First Shirt or CC? Even worse, what if you were married and caught?
    What kind of military image does it present when you visit a bar or a liquor store? Should we ban military members from those as well? What kind of military image does it present for military members to go to WIC or their food stamps office? Should be ban them from going there as well? I think first Sgts and commanders have more pressing issues than who you choose to bang... If you are married? That is YOUR problem not mine.
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    Re: Troops say proposed UCMJ change unfair in prostitution-legal Germany

    Agreed. There are a lot of things we legally do that can be considered a bad image.. IMO does not mean they should be banned.

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