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    Re: Do you agree, or disagree with voter id laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by sandsjames View Post
    Luckily voter ID laws don't have to do with denying someone the vote, no more than having to show ID when purchasing a gun takes away ones right to bear arms
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    Of this we are most definitely in agreement.
    But I thought the arguement was that IDs did stop people from voting? Just like the lack of ID stops criminals from getting a gun.
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    Re: Do you agree, or disagree with voter id laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by WILDJOKER5 View Post
    But I thought the arguement was that IDs did stop people from voting? Just like the lack of ID stops criminals from getting a gun.
    What? Without an ID, I can't purchase a gun...whether I'm a criminal or not.

    And IDs don't stop people from voting. A lack of ID should stop someone from voting, just as it stops someone from purchasing a gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WILDJOKER5 View Post
    But I thought the arguement was that IDs did stop people from voting? Just like the lack of ID stops criminals from getting a gun.
    Pretty sure that wasn't either of us making that argument here. I only pointed out that the right to vote is most certainly a "right", which you made an earlier assertion stating the contrary, whether you in particular happen to agree or not it is most certainly a "right" in the most literal sense and is specifically preserved by the Constitution. Everything else you stated was arguments against points I wasn't even making, and I think we are in concurrence about. As for the responsibility discussion, I agree with the statement that it is a responsible thing to do "responsibly". I would also add that the two terms "right" and "social responsibility" are not mutually exclusive. I hope we can agree that "responsibility" is a somewhat applicable term here, being so doesn't make it something that should or can be enforced.
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    Re: Do you agree, or disagree with voter id laws?

    But it does seem to be the call of the liberals (and race baiters) that requiring id to vote is akin to wanting to stop minorities from voting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJBIGJ View Post
    Pretty sure that wasn't either of us making that argument here. I only pointed out that the right to vote is most certainly a "right", which you made an earlier assertion stating the contrary, whether you in particular happen to agree or not it is most certainly a "right" in the most literal sense and is specifically preserved by the Constitution. Everything else you stated was arguments against points I wasn't even making, and I think we are in concurrence about. As for the responsibility discussion, I agree with the statement that it is a responsible thing to do "responsibly". I would also add that the two terms "right" and "social responsibility" are not mutually exclusive. I hope we can agree that "responsibility" is a somewhat applicable term here, being so doesn't make it something that should or can be enforced.
    Ok, but voting is not a right for everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WILDJOKER5 View Post
    Ok, but voting is not a right for everyone.
    In this we agree as well, that is why it is referred to as a "right of contractual agreement". It is based on a contractual agreement between the citizen who has reached the age of majority, and the government.
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    Re: Do you agree, or disagree with voter id laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    But it does seem to be the call of the liberals (and race baiters) that requiring id to vote is akin to wanting to stop minorities from voting.
    It seems that if an idea originates from the liberals, most conservatives will disagree simply because it was thought of by a liberal. The same applies in the reverse, too. Just more evidence that Libs and Convs are becoming more and more divided. Moderates or those that will compromise are becoming an endangered species.
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    Re: Do you agree, or disagree with voter id laws?

    That's why i would love to see either a Moderate (either party) or an independant get in the white house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Measure Man View Post
    Would be good, I think. The primary system seems to not allow a moderate to survive though.

    A well-funded independent, I think, just might have a shot at a national election these days.
    With emphasison on the "well funded". Takes a lot of moolah to go against Super PAC attack ads. Hell, it takes a considerable amount to market oneself even to the point where the Super PACs even find a candidate worthy of attacking. In a sense, it is usually taken as a major milestone when they attack ads do target a candidate, to be ignored in the political realm is worse than viral videos of yourself with your pants down on an Emu farm!
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    Re: Do you agree, or disagree with voter id laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    That's why i would love to see either a Moderate (either party) or an independant get in the white house.
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...an-principles/
    This might be a good start. But the problem is still there of the term "GOP" or "Republican". The Dems have used propaganda way too much to tarnish the orrigional founding of the party and twist 100+ years of fighting for civil right to making them out to be the party against minorities. Just as the Repubs took over the whigs, the GOP will be gone one day soon as long as they continue down the path that shows them to be just like the Dems but a different brand of social morals.
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