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    Yes. FLAPS and golfer55 have it about right. Good points.
    The make-up of the population of the United States has changed not because of blacks, who were here all along and merely had to wait for their civil liberties, but because of immigration. You can pooh-pooh diversity all you want but you can't escape it. By 2050, there will be more native-born American adults whose only language is Spanish than native-born American adults whose only language is English. The academies are going to reflect this unless we get rid of the academies altogether. That's what we should do because it's a preposterously expensive way to produce an officer.

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    I think people are using the term diversity in reference to the diversity programs not diversity itself... The objection isn't to having a diverse workforce (IMO), it is to the artificial methods used to create the diversity.
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    My generation is the one that created the civil rights movement. The goal was integration. That's what Martin Luther King was fighting for. Integration. Not diversity. If you achieve integration, everyone is treated equally and no one cares at all about anyone's skin color. The best way to know that we still haven't achieved integration is to realize that we still have Black History Month. (See my column in the February 19 Air Force Times, published February 11).

    I'd like an America where we're color blind. Not an American where we celebrate people's race.

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    I think people are using the term diversity in reference to the diversity programs not diversity itself... The objection isn't to having a diverse workforce (IMO), it is to the artificial methods used to create the diversity.
    You think? How do you distinguish between the two?

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    My generation is the one that created the civil rights movement. The goal was integration. That's what Martin Luther King was fighting for. Integration. Not diversity. If you achieve integration, everyone is treated equally and no one cares at all about anyone's skin color. The best way to know that we still haven't achieved integration is to realize that we still have Black History Month. (See my column in the February 19 Air Force Times, published February 11).

    I'd like an America where we're color blind. Not an American where we celebrate people's race.
    I was 6 years old when Brown vs. Board Of Education was decided, and was 17 when Johnson’s Civil Rights Act, and his Voting Rights Act were passed. I was in Vietnam when ML King was murdered. So, I know first-hand what it was that the Civil Rights Movement was all about, and Integration – per se – was NOT very high on the list of goals of the movement.

    The principle goal of the Civil Rights Movement (which was never officially identified as an African American organization since the membership of that organization consisted of other organizations of various origins, some of them African American, some of them Jewish, some of the Political and some of them Religious) was to address the fact that the 1st, 4th, 5th, 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments to the US Constitution were not being applied equally across the full spectrum of American Citizens.

    Yes, Integration was ONE of the goals, but it wasn’t the be-all and end-all goal of the movement.

    One thing that did charge up the movement was the famous poem by MARTIN NIEMÖLLER:

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    Corny, we get it...you're old and you think you know everything.
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    Re: Coast Guard Academy to honor first black grad

    How about 'Jesse Brown'?

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    How about 'Jesse Brown'?
    Jesse Brown. 4 years my senior. Good academic record. He enlisted in the Marine Corps in 1963 and maintained a good military record, and came home from Nam with a Golden B-B which resulted in his release from Active Duty two years early. He joined the DAV, and advanced through its management ranks to the post of Director, which post he retained until selected for Secretary of Veterans Affairs by President Clinton. He served until 1997, whereupon he resigned to found a consulting firm. He was diagnosed with Lou Gherig's Disease in 1999, and passed away in 2002 at the age of 58. He's buried in Arlington. His wound got him a Purple Heart. His other decorations would be the Vietnam Service medal, the Vietnam Campaign Medal with 2 Campaign Stars, and the Republic of Vietnam Cross of Gallantry With Palm. It most likely was his Directorship of the DAV that got him noticed by Clinton, and it was his service as Secretary of Veterans' Affairs that got him his plot at Arlington.
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    So, what if of all the applications being racieve by the academy are from only 5% blacks? Wouldnt 5% addmission to the school be in essence equal? From all the stereo typing I have herd, dont know for fact I admit, but there isnt much love of blacks and water. Please correct me if I am wrong. But if I am right, 5% applications to the school would be a normal amount coming from a demographic that is only 12% of the country.

    How can you bulster the amount of blacks in the academy if there isnt the drive to be in the academy? Unless there is a boost to the addmission scores for blacks to make sure there is 12% admission to those that only comprise 5% of the applications, I dont see how else you can get more diversity without the interest. But hey, if you feel blacks are too stupid to do it on their own and need government help, then I guess we all know where you stand and the respect for your own race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert F. Dorr View Post
    It's very difficult to find the right balance. No question. I believe in integration. I'm not so sure, though, about diversity.
    Integrate into what?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pullinteeth View Post
    I think people are using the term diversity in reference to the diversity programs not diversity itself... The objection isn't to having a diverse workforce (IMO), it is to the artificial methods used to create the diversity.
    I can go along with that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert F. Dorr View Post
    My generation is the one that created the civil rights movement. The goal was integration. That's what Martin Luther King was fighting for. Integration. Not diversity. If you achieve integration, everyone is treated equally and no one cares at all about anyone's skin color. The best way to know that we still haven't achieved integration is to realize that we still have Black History Month. (See my column in the February 19 Air Force Times, published February 11).

    I'd like an America where we're color blind. Not an American where we celebrate people's race.
    I'm not so sure...I don't think we need to ignore our differences.

    Quote Originally Posted by WILDJOKER5 View Post
    So, what if of all the applications being racieve by the academy are from only 5% blacks? Wouldnt 5% addmission to the school be in essence equal? From all the stereo typing I have herd, dont know for fact I admit, but there isnt much love of blacks and water. Please correct me if I am wrong. But if I am right, 5% applications to the school would be a normal amount coming from a demographic that is only 12% of the country.
    Well, I think you ask yourself..."Why is it that blacks don't want to come here? What about us is not appealing to blacks? Is it our image? Is it something we do? Is it because we don't recruit in black areas? Is it because our standards of dress and appearance and conduct are all based off of white cultural norms?

    If it really is just that they don't like to be around water, then there isn't much we can do about that, I mean, we are the coast guard...but, I think it's valid to probe a little deeper and find out why blacks aren't interested in the Coast Guard, if that is even true.

    How can you bulster the amount of blacks in the academy if there isnt the drive to be in the academy? Unless there is a boost to the addmission scores for blacks to make sure there is 12% admission to those that only comprise 5% of the applications, I dont see how else you can get more diversity without the interest. But hey, if you feel blacks are too stupid to do it on their own and need government help, then I guess we all know where you stand and the respect for your own race.
    You create the interest through marketing.

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