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    Quote Originally Posted by Juggs View Post
    Desert Storm, there were a few air to air battles. Jan 17 through 15 Jan there were several air to air engagements. Take a gander.
    40 in desert storm and 5 in Alllied Force

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief_KO View Post
    Sorry for misspeaking, I was thinking of dogfights, guns blazing, pulling Gs, etc. I think the last US dogfight (F-4) with an enemy a/c was towards the end of Vietnam. Not taking anything away from our a/c or aircrews but it has been a long time that we've engaged in that kind of warfare.
    You're continuing to misspeak There were within visual range "dogfights" in WW Desert Storm.

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    Thanks all for the air-to-air education. I'll be the first to admit, that is not my strongpoint when it comes to AF history (as weird as that sounds). I've always been more into the stories of the people rather than the weapons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief_KO View Post
    Thanks all for the air-to-air education. I'll be the first to admit, that is not my strongpoint when it comes to AF history (as weird as that sounds). I've always been more into the stories of the people rather than the weapons.
    You know there are people in those weapons systems right and that the weapons systems require inputs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akruse View Post
    You know there are people in those weapons systems right and that the weapons systems require inputs.
    Not if they become self aware.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akruse View Post
    You're continuing to misspeak There were within visual range "dogfights" in WW Desert Storm.

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    Ah.....he got you on this one... If you notice, in his last post, he specified the F-4 so yeah, the last aerial vicotory by an F-4 was Jan 8th 1973... All the ones in the Gulf War were F-15/A-10/F-16....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pullinteeth View Post
    Ah.....he got you on this one... If you notice, in his last post, he specified the F-4 so yeah, the last aerial vicotory by an F-4 was Jan 8th 1973... All the ones in the Gulf War were F-15/A-10/F-16....
    I stand by my statement your honor. The parentheses merely state the type of aircraft in relation to the last "dog fight". I move for a mistrial.

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    Actually most Vietnam era F-4s didn't have cannon and only took missile shots.

    Even though there were plenty of opportunities for gun kills in air-to-air engagements very few occurred due to this.

    Most where missile shots and not your traditional close in dogfight with pilots calling Fox Three.

    This began to change towards the end of the war when the F-4s were rearmed with 20mm cannon.

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