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    No course 14, no CCAF = Forced retirement

    I'm hearing rumors that SNCOs without a Course 14 or CCAF and retirement eligilbe will have to retire or complete the requirements in 12 months. Having said that, 65% of the SNCOs my group have not completed both Crs 14 and a CCAF.

    Anybody heard this?
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    Re: No course 14, no CCAF = Forced retirement

    Quote Originally Posted by fufu View Post
    I'm hearing rumors that SNCOs without a Course 14 or CCAF and retirement eligilbe will have to retire or complete the requirements in 12 months. Having said that, 65% of the SNCOs my group have not completed both Crs 14 and a CCAF.

    Anybody heard this?
    Hadn't heard it, but it doesn't pass my sniff test as presented. It sounds like a dandy way to circumvent the promotion ADSC: Pin on MSgt, blow off Course 14 or CCAF, forced retirement, profit.

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    Now you have up to 72 months to do it...I think it used to be 12 though...I can't see it be required to stay past 20...I remember years ago for a short time they were retiring C coded people over 20, that got reversed very quickly. Even if you do Course 14 and have CCAF, you may not get SRE.

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    Re: No course 14, no CCAF = Forced retirement

    Quote Originally Posted by fufu View Post
    I'm hearing rumors that SNCOs without a Course 14 or CCAF and retirement eligilbe will have to retire or complete the requirements in 12 months. Having said that, 65% of the SNCOs my group have not completed both Crs 14 and a CCAF.

    Anybody heard this?
    I haven't heard of it but if there is any truth to it, then there may be some MSgt slots opening up for me in the near future. CCAF is done and Course 14 nearly finished.
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    Re: No course 14, no CCAF = Forced retirement

    I haven't heard about this, but I think it's a GREAT idea. CCAF can be knocked out following completion of your CDC EOC test (as a A1C), and Crs 14 can be taken care of as a TSgt. It's only five tests that can reasonably be done in less than five months....if that.

    If you are going to kick people out of the AF to get the numbers down, might as well go after those who clearly don't care about professional development.

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    Re: No course 14, no CCAF = Forced retirement

    I remember getting my ass reamed for not having Course 14 done and I hadn't even sewn the frapping stripe on yet? Chiefs in the cops are pretty hard over on that stuff (in my experience anyway). Of course we just called it the SNCO Academy Correspondence Course and it was in books!!!!!!

    From what I understand it was easier in my day as you had two tests (Module A and Module B). If you scanned and looked up the answers to the practice questions at the end of each chapter and then used that as a study guide you could pass. Which is a good thing because the content was absolutely brain numbing. The only thing I read from start to finish was a monograph by VADM Stockdale. Brilliant guy.
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    Re: No course 14, no CCAF = Forced retirement

    Quote Originally Posted by FLAPS View Post
    I haven't heard about this, but I think it's a GREAT idea. CCAF can be knocked out following completion of your CDC EOC test (as a A1C), and Crs 14 can be taken care of as a TSgt. It's only five tests that can reasonably be done in less than five months....if that.

    If you are going to kick people out of the AF to get the numbers down, might as well go after those who clearly don't care about professional development.
    I tend to agree that this is a good idea, though there are better ones out there.

    I'm not a huge proponent of the "up or out" mentality...however, I do think that service beyond 20 years should be a "privilege at the strict convenience of the AF"....i.e. no med waivers, extended profiles, edcuation deferment, senior in HS deferment, etc., etc....after 20, you're either all-in or it's time to go, no harm no foul.

    It should be very EASY for the commander to terminate the service of +20 yrs folks...and I would imagine that if they would do that...that no CCAF/Crse 14 folks would probably be in that list...but, I'd still start with the broken bodies who can't deploy or PCS first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLAPS View Post
    I haven't heard about this, but I think it's a GREAT idea. CCAF can be knocked out following completion of your CDC EOC test (as a A1C), and Crs 14 can be taken care of as a TSgt. It's only five tests that can reasonably be done in less than five months....if that.

    If you are going to kick people out of the AF to get the numbers down, might as well go after those who clearly don't care about professional development.
    Hey FLAPS stick to your officer knowledge, not all TSgts can do it.
    "Taken care of as a TSgt"...Who has been a TSgt 2 years and Who has been to the NCOA...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Measure Man View Post
    I tend to agree that this is a good idea, though there are better ones out there.

    I'm not a huge proponent of the "up or out" mentality...however, I do think that service beyond 20 years should be a "privilege at the strict convenience of the AF"....i.e. no med waivers, extended profiles, edcuation deferment, senior in HS deferment, etc., etc....after 20, you're either all-in or it's time to go, no harm no foul.

    It should be very EASY for the commander to terminate the service of +20 yrs folks...and I would imagine that if they would do that...that no CCAF/Crse 14 folks would probably be in that list...but, I'd still start with the broken bodies who can't deploy or PCS first.
    Hyt for msgt is 24, why should they not get to stay past 20...

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