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    I support the peeing Marines

    I love all the Monday-morning QB'ing going on at the Pentagon and State Dept (why is Sec Clinton commenting?) over the peeing Marines.

    How can we expect these killers to behave normally when they are surrounded by insanity? Structure drives behavior, when a human is put into a chaotic structure, we should expect them to act differently. Zimbardo knew this and so did Dr. Livingstone. Why does this surprise us? We should expect it and do our best to correct it, but not crucify.

    We as a nation threw young troops under the bus with Abu Gharib and now we're doing it again.

    All of D.C. is in line, pounding their chests, looking for a Marine to fry. How about somebody supporting them? How about a General stand up and explain what adrenaline does to one's decision making process?

    Read Charlie Wilson's War and learn what the Taliban did to their male Russian captives--this gives some context and perhaps explains why the Taliban aren't too troubled by this story.

    Hindsight is 20-20, but I'll pass no judgement on how someone behaves in a combat zone, especially after experiencing combat. Only in Hollywood can someone participate in a firefight and then go run a Boy Scout meeting. Only in Hollywood and D.C. ...

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    It's a shitty situation.

    1) This is a cross-cultural conflict, which means both sides are operating under a different set of rules and values, so there's no camaraderie or respect for the opponent. The warm fuzzy stuff that we've seen in certain other wars (Like cease-fires for Christmas, or enemy medics working side by side), just doesn't happen. Because we see them not as fellow humans, but as agents of Satan, and vica versa.

    2) The infamous ROE's are necessary - we can't afford to be pissing everyone off with indiscriminate killing, both on the local level (every American atrocity is a recruiting tool for the insurgents), and on the international level (again, every atrocity that hits the air waves will attract new recruits, weapons, money, and general public support for the insurgents) - but the ROE, however imortant strategically, does get people killed, so aren't exactly popular.

    So you got the Idaho farm boys in a strange land with a foreign language filled with people who hate them, and the ROE keeps them from killing everything in sight... that's going to lead to a lot of stress and bad feelings, which leads to incidents like this. Its a nasty dilemna.

    The only way to prevent things like this is to not fight the war in the first place.

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    Seems the American public is not so upset about it. It's a war and things happen in war.


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    I think it was dumb to put it on the internet. Other than that, I have No issue with it. They have done far worse to us and are trying like crazy to kill us daily. They won't face us. Instead they hide and plant bombs/shoot rockets. Fuck them. I've seen the young kids leaving here missing limbs and severely wounded, or even worse in a box.

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    I love how one news channel had Jessica Lynch on as a consultant in such matters!
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    Quote Originally Posted by giggawatt View Post
    I love how one news channel had Jessica Lynch on as a consultant in such matters!
    She kinda is an expert on such matters, from personal experience!

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    Re: I support the peeing Marines

    Lynch is far from an expert on this matter!

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    Re: I support the peeing Marines

    Do we have a rule against peeing on someone? What if the corpses were on fire and we had no other way to put it out?

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    Re: I support the peeing Marines

    Quote Originally Posted by raider8169 View Post
    Do we have a rule against peeing on someone? What if the corpses were on fire and we had no other way to put it out?

    That reminds me of a time at PTA on the Big Island and Marines having to put out some fires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellJD1969 View Post
    That reminds me of a time at PTA on the Big Island and Marines having to put out some fires.

    PTA was the shit. It was like being TDY with out the hassle of flying 5 1/2 hours.

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