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    Well, I'm not a Democrat, I'm Moderate, and I have an extreme distaste for those who spout off without knowing of what they speak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seasons View Post
    Well, I'm not a Democrat, I'm Moderate, and I have an extreme distaste for those who spout off without knowing of what they speak.
    What's unfortunate is everything he stated about the decision-making capability related to marriage should rest with the states makes perfect sense from my standpoint. Then he launched into the old smarg rhetoric about the breakdown of moral society and flushed it all down the toilet.
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    DOMA is a blatant violation of the Full Faith and Credit Clause of the Constitution. Yes its a State's right to not recognize gay marriage (not really, majority rule not too long ago wouldn't let blacks marry non-blacks), but it's not there right to ignor the marriages of people from other states.

    Its cowardly and disgusting to hide behind "State's Rights" when Equal Rights are at stake. I believe in small government but this country is founded on the equality of all as human beings, not whatever the voting white christian public decides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoonerE8 View Post
    Well I promise if you can find 20 Judges that say there is no valid basis then you can find 20 more who say there is a valid basis. I say put it to a vote and let the people decide. Just like in California with Prop. 8, let the voice of the people be heard...DOM will pass in almost all states. Marriage is a state issue, not a national issue! If Mass. wants "same sex marriage" then good for them if thats what the people vote on and approve; if Tx is against it than so be it. Leave it to the states to decide, which is where where it belongs...after all we are only talking about the breakdown of our moral fiber as a society and everyone should have a say in that...no big deal. Majority rules...or at least thats how it is supposed to be.
    The problem with putting things like this up for popular vote is that some things are too important for a vote like that. When an issue concerns a group's Constitutional rights, it's not up to the people, it's up to those people who interpret the Constitution. How long would it have taken to end segregation if it was left up to a popular vote by each individual state?

    Majority rules is not how it is supposed to be, because then minorities will never be heard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seasons View Post
    Well, I'm not a Democrat, I'm Moderate, and I have an extreme distaste for those who spout off without knowing of what they speak.
    Translation is: You have a distaste for anyone who disagrees with your view. That is what DOMA is about, how some view marriage as opposed to how others view it. Does not make one right or the other wrong...everyone has an opinion on this and some are very strong on both sides. Does not make them right or wrong, simply how they feel. That is the beauty of living in the good ole USA. We can agree, diasagree and in the end whatever happnes we press on. For the most part anyway...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosstone View Post
    The problem with putting things like this up for popular vote is that some things are too important for a vote like that. When an issue concerns a group's Constitutional rights, it's not up to the people, it's up to those people who interpret the Constitution. How long would it have taken to end segregation if it was left up to a popular vote by each individual state?

    Majority rules is not how it is supposed to be, because then minorities will never be heard.
    Very valid points.

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    Re: 20 Judges agree, "there is no valid governmental basis for DOMA."

    Quote Originally Posted by Bosstone View Post
    The problem with putting things like this up for popular vote is that some things are too important for a vote like that. When an issue concerns a group's Constitutional rights, it's not up to the people, it's up to those people who interpret the Constitution. How long would it have taken to end segregation if it was left up to a popular vote by each individual state?

    Majority rules is not how it is supposed to be, because then minorities will never be heard.
    At first I thought you had a pretty stupid argument, saying "it's not up to the people." Your comment about segregation completely changed my mind though. Great points!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkHeart View Post
    DOMA is a blatant violation of the Full Faith and Credit Clause of the Constitution. Yes its a State's right to not recognize gay marriage (not really, majority rule not too long ago wouldn't let blacks marry non-blacks), but it's not there right to ignor the marriages of people from other states.

    Its cowardly and disgusting to hide behind "State's Rights" when Equal Rights are at stake. I believe in small government but this country is founded on the equality of all as human beings, not whatever the voting white christian public decides.
    ...if it's a "blatant violation of the Full Faith and Credit Clause of the Constitution" why has the Supreme Court not taken any action.

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    Re: 20 Judges agree, "there is no valid governmental basis for DOMA."

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkHeart View Post
    DOMA is a blatant violation of the Full Faith and Credit Clause of the Constitution. Yes its a State's right to not recognize gay marriage (not really, majority rule not too long ago wouldn't let blacks marry non-blacks), but it's not there right to ignor the marriages of people from other states.

    Its cowardly and disgusting to hide behind "State's Rights" when Equal Rights are at stake. I believe in small government but this country is founded on the equality of all as human beings, not whatever the voting white christian public decides.
    Isn't it equally cowardly and disgusting to fly the banner of Equal Rights on a crusade for rights that don't fall under that heading? Gay marriage has nothing to do with equal rights. You currently have just as much right to marry a woman as a homosexual man as a heterosexual man does. A homosexual woman has just as much right to marry a man as a heterosexual woman... Or are you claiming they don't?
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