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    PFC Manning is the poster-child for the "repeal DADT" crowd. A disgruntled gay, he felt it necessary to lash out at the Army and America since he did not fit in. Is this who we want serving?

    Thank you, PFC Manning, for proving our point about allowing gays to openly serve.
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    Again, no proof.
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    I'lll just leave these here....

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-e...cuments/213720

    http://humantrafficking.change.org/b...n#share_source

    Im not saying what he did was correct, he endangered our people, but some things should be shed to light.....and this is one of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 03WikiLuLz View Post
    I'lll just leave these here....

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-e...cuments/213720

    http://humantrafficking.change.org/b...n#share_source

    Im not saying what he did was correct, he endangered our people, but some things should be shed to light.....and this is one of them.
    Two things.................

    The only source of this story is the 'cable' posted on Wikileaks. What happened to the reporter's story? The US official obviously was not going to go along with the request so the US evidently didn't quash the story.

    I have never heard of the title "Assistant Ambassador" in the US Foreign Service. There are DCM (Deputy Chief of Mission) and Assistant Chief of Mission but not Assistant Ambassador. I would think a cable originating from the US State Department would use the correct title.
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    Somebody did post it on here actually - I think in Army?

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemaingun View Post
    To whom it may concern, I for one can say PFC Manning is indeed an individual of good moral character. He did what others should have but did not have the courage to do. Are you all such war mongers that you have forgotten what your oath stands for? Or do you wish or reject the idea of having domestic enemies?

    I want to to refresh your memories.

    "I, _____________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States, the governor of the state of _______ (for National Guard enlistees) and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

    Some of you might say that he was to follow the orders of the officers appointed over him. That is only true to some degree. If crimes were committed and then a "COVER UP" followed by an erroneous investigation. Which sadly happens on a weekly basis. Then the order is unlawful. General Military Authority overrides much my friends.

    The real crime that is committed are the individuals that try to cover things up. To save their own careers. You call it what you want. I can tell you honestly that the war in Iraq is the biggest load of shit, followed by a side order of extra shitty also known as Afghanistan.

    What amuses me ever more is how many of you stand behind our government and our senior officers. What? You think they carry a badge of justice on their chests and walk around with halos over their heads? I think not, guess what.... they don't give two shits about you, me and the man next to you. But they will send you to any country that they have a particular problem or there preconceived agenda is for that country. Dick Cheney was quoted as to say "We were going to invade Iraq anyway." WoW just WoW.

    So here we sit with two conflicts, a waining economy, the largest national debt our country has ever seen, 800 billion dollar defense budget, and our own people are suffering on a daily basis. But you will call this young PFC a traitor. The traitors are the ones who are calling the shots and covering it up. Keep the war machine running for their agendas, tune in to CNN and believe what your told to believe. God only knows a third of you are actually capable of critical thinking and the rest of you will roll over on your backs when the master tells you to do so.

    Luckily for me I will not be an indentured servant to the government for much longer. It just took a decade to wake up.

    Suggested reading for some of you.

    American History
    The Bill of Rights / The United States Constitution

    Perhaps then you some of you can form a rational conclusion.
    What about the fact he broke the LAW! Whenever you get a security clearance, you sign a non disclosure agreement which states that you will not share the information that you have access to. Period. He broke the law by STEALING that information off a classified computer and putting it onto an unclass computer. It's that simple. Plus, that information most people generally knew already and some of it actually highlights the good we (US) are doing.

    Yes Iraq was mismanaged and ultimately so was Afghanistan. No one denies that but for him to leak the material he did was wrong I don't care who you are. He smuggled information out. First off all, his leadership failed by letting him listen to a burnt CD on a classified computer. No go in my book.

    He is a traitor. How was he defending the Constitution - tell me that.

    Maybe you need to actually read the Constitution yourself...and the Bill of Rights and study some American history. If an officer or senior NCO gave me an unlawful order you bet your ass I will call them on it and report it. However the military isn't a democracy. You follow orders given from above (lawful orders).

    Go ahead and support this kid but I won't. If the dumbass wouldn't have been 'tooting his own horn' he never would've got caught anyway.

    WHat do you say of the sailor who got busted trying to sell documents? Why people think they'll make money of selling classified stuff I'll never figure out. They never get that much money and end up in prison anyway...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guard Bum View Post
    PFC Manning is the poster-child for the "repeal DADT" crowd. A disgruntled gay, he felt it necessary to lash out at the Army and America since he did not fit in. Is this who we want serving?

    Thank you, PFC Manning, for proving our point about allowing gays to openly serve.
    Omg STOP using him as an argument not to repeal DADT. Him possibly being a homosexual has NOTHING to do with what he did. Nothing. Your argument is baseless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by candycane3482 View Post
    What about the fact he broke the LAW! Whenever you get a security clearance, you sign a non disclosure agreement which states that you will not share the information that you have access to. Period. He broke the law by STEALING that information off a classified computer and putting it onto an unclass computer. It's that simple. Plus, that information most people generally knew already and some of it actually highlights the good we (US) are doing. .
    Precicely. HECK by his leaking info in the manner he did, he became one of those enemies against the constitution..

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    He is a traitor. Plain and simple. He had a clearance. He was trusted with classified info regardless of his rank. WE, the USA, trusted him with information. He gave that information to someone he shouldn't have. Regardless of whether it was the secret of Coke or Col. Sanders recipe, (which it was much more serious than those), he is a sellout. He is a coward. There are things that happen in this world, during wartime etc. that not need be shared. Not to conceal the actions but to protect the innocent. Not all actions that are classified or secret were illegal. That is a bad perception many have.

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    I think the media has gotten ‘Cablegate’ so blown up in order to actually make something of it that it seems the message is being lost in the medium. WikiLeaks first leaks an edited version of an AH-64 fire support mission in which reporters were killed. I say edited because they used visual enhancements to show you what they wanted you to see where the truth lay somewhere else. Then a couple of months ago WikiLeaks promised a bombshell about the war in Iraq and Afghanistan with its first big ‘dump’ of stolen classified messages and cables. All we got was that the number of civilians killed as a direct and indirect result of hostilities was higher than reported in the media. We didn’t see any huge revelation of wrongdoing on the part of the US. No directive from military leadership mandating that the number of civilians killed be downplayed. Nothing about intelligence being subverted to support going to war (a big claim that lives to this day). In plain and simple language, there was no smoking gun.

    Now we have another promised ‘revelation’ by the narcissistic Assange (and make no mistake everything he does is all about him, not some lofty principles). What we got was the traffic of diplomatic staff doing what they get paid to do, report in the most candid way possible as to what is going on in the world to their boss….the President. Without this candor, the President would have no real idea what was going on anywhere. How could he possibly deal with people outside of the US without this information? I simply cannot believe that anyone doesn’t see that and worse they anyone would not see and acknowledge the incredible harm done to the ability of the US Foreign Service to do their job. I for one don’t envy them. Don’t believe for a second all the platitudes being thrown around by our government and others who were subjects of those cables. There will be hard feelings for years to come.

    For those that continue to support this tool and his lackeys as some kind of humanitarian crusader. Consider for a moment. In Assange’s own words (paraphrased) he has hundreds if not thousands of sources all over the world who provide him with information which would embarrass governments. Where is this information? Why has he released only information which he claims to show malevolent deeds by the US government (but in reality merely embarrasses it)? He claims to want global transparence but evidently he will accomplish this one country at a time and starting with the US. A fairly transparent agenda in my opinion.

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