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    Re: Another CSM with no combat patch

    Quote Originally Posted by SailorDave View Post
    Remember, if those are doctors in that AFN commercial, they could have come in at O3 or above and that's their first tour.
    That's true. However, some of those I see are COLs and LTCs with no combat patches. Even if they come in as a CPT, by the time they're a MAJ, they should have deployed.

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    The Army needs to be a little more selective in terms of assignments at the Senior Level and Seniors need to accept responsibility for their actions. If you aree a Senior NCO and you have not deployed then you have no experience to offer to soldiers. I did 300 years in the Army and retired as a MSG 11B. I am from the old school and certain things you do not change. The worst thing the Army did was to take away the Specialist rank. Renaming the Infantry Center the Maneuver Center is another joke and a slap in the face of Infantryman. Putting a female in charge of the Drill Sergeant Academy is also a travisity. Contrary to popular belief if you are not Combat Arms Infantry, Armor, or Artillery then you are not a soldier you are a service member! The Army gave service members a litrtle badge similar to the CIB in order to maintain it's numbers. We need to go back to the old days a soldier does what he is told and no more. Quit babying these kids and explaining everything to them. Bring back the good old days.

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    Re: Another CSM with no combat patch

    Quote Originally Posted by clem157 View Post
    Contrary to popular belief if you are not Combat Arms Infantry, Armor, or Artillery then you are not a soldier you are a service member!

    Wow....really? I'm not a Soldier? Because I was not Comabt Infantry....

    Just glad you are no longer in the ranks and teaching that kinda of jibberish....

    When did the specalist rank go away? Do you mean corporal?

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    I fully concur with you clem157, if you aint Combat Arms, you are purely support. Not that supporters are unimportant, after all, where would pro sports teams be without their fans?
    No matter what you do some will always find fault because that is their only focus/goal and source of joy. They are negative by nature and weak in character. These people are the losers of society. Avoid them like the plague.

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    Re: Another CSM with no combat patch

    Quote Originally Posted by MCGYVER View Post
    I fully concur with you clem157, if you aint Combat Arms, you are purely support. Not that supporters are unimportant, after all, where would pro sports teams be without their fans?
    You mean athletic supporters???
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    LOL, yessirree Bob.
    No matter what you do some will always find fault because that is their only focus/goal and source of joy. They are negative by nature and weak in character. These people are the losers of society. Avoid them like the plague.

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    Re: Another CSM with no combat patch

    Quote Originally Posted by clem157 View Post
    The Army needs to be a little more selective in terms of assignments at the Senior Level and Seniors need to accept responsibility for their actions.
    Agree 100%

    If you aree a Senior NCO and you have not deployed then you have no experience to offer to soldiers. I did 300 years in the Army and retired as a MSG 11B. I am from the old school and certain things you do not change. The worst thing the Army did was to take away the Specialist rank.
    The "specialist" 4,5,6 etc. ranks do exist. They're Warrant Officers now, and that's a far better structure than the specialist ranks ever were, period.

    Renaming the Infantry Center the Maneuver Center is another joke and a slap in the face of Infantryman. Putting a female in charge of the Drill Sergeant Academy is also a travisity. Contrary to popular belief if you are not Combat Arms Infantry, Armor, or Artillery then you are not a soldier you are a service member!
    A female being the DS Academy CSM isn't a travesty, it's a milestone. The travesty is the fact that she doesn't have a combat patch (SSI/FTWS). As for me being a service member since I'm a LOG Officer, tell that to my transporter 88Ms who died on the road to bring you your sh*t.

    The Army gave service members a litrtle badge similar to the CIB in order to maintain it's numbers. We need to go back to the old days a soldier does what he is told and no more. Quit babying these kids and explaining everything to them. Bring back the good old days.
    Just because someone is in a force sustainment branch doesn't mean they don't deserve a badge, and I'm sure it wasn't a factor to maintain its numbers. That's just...flawed logic.

    Turds from every generation complain about what's wrong with the Army. The question is, what are you going to do to fix it if you feel that the current system is broken?

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    RE: Badges -- I'm an Infantryman and I think it's funny when Infantrymen complain about badges because who are the biggest girl scouts in the Army? WE ARE!!!! Almost all the tabs and badges are so much easier to get if you're in the infantry or are almost exclusively for infantry (i.e. who else gets HALO? Like five other people?). You VERY rarely see someone walking around with more than 3 unless they're a fire supporter or cav scout.

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    Re: Another CSM with no combat patch

    Quote Originally Posted by Gold_Reaper View Post
    Agree 100%



    The "specialist" 4,5,6 etc. ranks do exist. They're Warrant Officers now, and that's a far better structure than the specialist ranks ever were, period.


    Thats very funny. Warrant Officers have been around for a very long time and I can assure you that those Specialist ranks were not eliminated in order to fill the Warrant ranks lol.

    Also, you are talking about the female Colonel on AFN and believe me, she couldnt move up the ranks if she wasnt very competent and good at what she does.

    Remember, operational experience is a big factor for the DA promotion boards for senior enlisted and field grade officers. If they were not sent to an MTOE unit; it was because their branch managers moved them to slots that they were needed in. But on paper in their OERs, they have to be exceptional.

    Every senior leader that I know is trying to get deployed to get that operational experience and if it doesnt happen; its not on their own accord unless they are non-deployable.

    I am on my second tour right now and would like to be sent to a TDA unit for a rest. But if isnt in the cards; then so be it.

    Signed,

    A Warrant.

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    Re: Another CSM with no combat patch

    Quote Originally Posted by INGUARD View Post
    Thats very funny. Warrant Officers have been around for a very long time and I can assure you that those Specialist ranks were not eliminated in order to fill the Warrant ranks lol.
    It may be funny, but what happened to the last SPC4,5,6,7s that were left in the Army? I could be wrong, and if I am, I'm hereby humbled and stand corrected.

    Also, you are talking about the female Colonel on AFN and believe me, she couldnt move up the ranks if she wasnt very competent and good at what she does.
    Personally, I don't have any idea who you guys are talking about, nor did I ever refer to this COL. Another post, perhaps?

    Remember, operational experience is a big factor for the DA promotion boards for senior enlisted and field grade officers. If they were not sent to an MTOE unit; it was because their branch managers moved them to slots that they were needed in. But on paper in their OERs, they have to be exceptional.
    Your OER doesn't have to be exceptional in order to get away with sham'baggery. I know plenty of lackluster officers who get with their branch manager to get them where they want to go, regardless of what's on their OER. Golf Swing, Politics, and the Good Ol' Boys Club is in full effect.

    Every senior leader that I know is trying to get deployed to get that operational experience and if it doesnt happen; its not on their own accord unless they are non-deployable.
    I'm sure you're working with a small sample there, grasshopper. How many 1SGs and LTCs and above do you know? Really. I can assure you if someone doesn't want to deploy, I'd bet a month's pay that it's probably on their own accord. How many people get that lucky to completely avoid a deployment all together in this day and age? Hell we've only been at war for, oh nearly a DECADE NOW? If you're a brand new PFC or LT, there's a possibility that you may never see what this place looks like. If you're a frickin CSM and you have no idea what it's like to be here, then how dare you stand before trainees to send them off to war.

    I am on my second tour right now and would like to be sent to a TDA unit for a rest. But if isnt in the cards; then so be it.
    Join the club. I'm in my chu right now in beautiful former Mesopotamia. I've enjoyed the sites and fireworks thus far.

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    Signed, the Gold Reaper

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