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    So I sent an email to almost everyone in my chain of command(including my commander) that I am a homosexual. Does this mean I will be automatically kicked out? Are they actually going to investigate and see if I'm really gay? Or will they tolerate my gayness because they need me? I'm way past the point of caring who thinks I'm gay or not, and if I do get discharged...oh well, not the end of the world. Oh yea, I'm in the Air Force BTW.
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    Just show up to unit PT in those new and approved PT running shorts and that would eliminate any further doubt on your supervision's part. And to be honest, you'll be gone.

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    ...and offer to fellate your CC.
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    What's there to investigate; you've admitted it. I'd probably go ahead and start packing (leave it alone Machine666... rofl)

    Not sure whay your rationale was... if it was to force your units hand and see what they did, I'd say they've got no choice but to discharge you... if it was to test the waters and see if they'd let you stay; might have worked if you stuck to sharing this with your CC personally... but the fact that you shotgunned out an email, now it has everyone attention.

    Hope it works out how you wanted...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrustySMSgt View Post
    What's there to investigate; you've admitted it. I'd probably go ahead and start packing (leave it alone Machine666... rofl)

    Not sure whay your rationale was... if it was to force your units hand and see what they did, I'd say they've got no choice but to discharge you... if it was to test the waters and see if they'd let you stay; might have worked if you stuck to sharing this with your CC personally... but the fact that you shotgunned out an email, now it has everyone attention.

    Hope it works out how you wanted...
    he already admitted that he has been doing that.

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    Why did you feel the need to announce it? Couldn't you just live the way you wanted and as openly as you wanted while still following the basic concept of don't ask/don't tell? To me, this isn't living a lie anymore than heterosexuals not climbing on their commander's desk announcing their heterosexuality. I realize that there are nuances to the basic "don't" rule where it seems official action can start simply if a third party accuses you. If that were to occur, then it becomes a "don't lie" situation, wait to see what happens, and fight if you want.

    But it seems that your purpose was simply to make a statement. As such, I hope you are discharged immediately, regardless of whether they need you. I also hope that the day after your discharge is effective, the policy changes to allow gays but your discharge stands because you broke the rules that existed at the time of your actions. The AF doesn't need grandstanders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConfusedAirman View Post
    Why did you feel the need to announce it? Couldn't you just live the way you wanted and as openly as you wanted while still following the basic concept of don't ask/don't tell? To me, this isn't living a lie anymore than heterosexuals not climbing on their commander's desk announcing their heterosexuality. I realize that there are nuances to the basic "don't" rule where it seems official action can start simply if a third party accuses you. If that were to occur, then it becomes a "don't lie" situation, wait to see what happens, and fight if you want.

    But it seems that your purpose was simply to make a statement. As such, I hope you are discharged immediately, regardless of whether they need you. I also hope that the day after your discharge is effective, the policy changes to allow gays but your discharge stands because you broke the rules that existed at the time of your actions. The AF doesn't need grandstanders.
    I can't speak for this young man...but having spoken to a few others in this situation, the reason why they opted to "tell" rather than just live the life is because normally...for simply telling that you are gay, you get an honorable discharge. If you are "found out" to be gay, you often get some other than honorable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Measure Man View Post
    I can't speak for this young man...but having spoken to a few others in this situation, the reason why they opted to "tell" rather than just live the life is because normally...for simply telling that you are gay, you get an honorable discharge. If you are "found out" to be gay, you often get some other than honorable.
    Yes, actually this is exactly why I did it. I heard that if my command simply finds out by being tipped off, then I could get a general discharge and lose benefits. I have reason to believe that my command would find out that I am gay sooner or later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TWC760 View Post
    Yes, actually this is exactly why I did it. I heard that if my command simply finds out by being tipped off, then I could get a general discharge and lose benefits. I have reason to believe that my command would find out that I am gay sooner or later.
    So why did you enlist of your own free will then, knowing and signing the rules/enlistment beforehand?

    Are you a dreg, trying to scam out of your enlistment early because you don't like people telling you what to do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TWC760 View Post
    Yes, actually this is exactly why I did it. I heard that if my command simply finds out by being tipped off, then I could get a general discharge and lose benefits. I have reason to believe that my command would find out that I am gay sooner or later.
    Can't speak to your specific situation... but just throwing it out there... not sure if it applies in this situation... but I know it does in cases such as illegal drug use. Admitting illegla behavior because you suspect you may be under investigation negates any positive outcome... if your CC had already found out and was in the process of an investigation, you may be too late.
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