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    January 21, 2009 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Oregon politician Sam Adams became a symbol of the successful advancement of the homosexual agenda in May of 2008 when he was elected mayor of Portland, Oregon in a landslide victory – making Portland the largest American city to elect an openly homosexual mayor.

    Now, however, Adam’s status as one of the most prominent and admired homosexual politicians may have come to an abrupt end, as he has admitted to repeatedly lying about his relationship with an 18-year-old intern.

    Adams made the admission in a statement released Monday and a press conference on Tuesday, after evidence proving that his relationship with the young man was sexual in nature was presented to him by representatives of the Willamette Week, a local newspaper.

    While rumors about Adams and the former intern, Beau Breedlove, have swirled about since the lead-up to the mayoral race in 2007, both Adams and Breedlove have publicly and repeatedly denied that their relationship was sexual. Instead they have characterized the relationship as one of “mentor” and “mentored.”

    Besides the large gap in age between the two (Adams is now 45) and the fact that the relationship was homosexual in nature, the accusations are even more controversial due to the fact that when Adams and Breedlove met, the young man was only 17, making him a minor.

    Adams, however, continues to deny that he had sexual relations with Breedlove prior to his 18th birthday, which took place in June of 2005. The sexual relationship, he claims, began several weeks after Breedlove’s birthday.

    In an official statement, Adams apologized for lying and for instructing Breedlove to lie. “In the past, I have characterized my relationship with Beau Breedlove as purely non-sexual,” he said. “That is not true. Beau Breedlove and I had a sexual relationship for a few months in the summer of 2005 after he turned 18 years of age.”

    Adams said that he should have been honest from the beginning, and said that the reason he was not honest is that he “was afraid that people would believe untrue rumors, being circulated by an undeclared mayoral opponent, that I had broken a law involving sexual relations with a minor.”

    However, he admitted, “this is not a good excuse.”

    “I apologize to Beau for asking him to lie for me. I apologize to my colleagues for my poor handling of this matter. I apologize to the people of Portland for my dishonesty. I should have been truthful from the beginning.”

    Adams, as “one of the leaders of the gay community,” said that he also wanted to apologize to them “for embarrassing them.”

    According to OPB news, the Multnomah County District Attorney’s office has confirmed that an independent investigation will be launched into the affair. The investigation will seek to find if the mayor did indeed break the law by engaging in sexual relations with a minor.

    Calls for Adams’ resignation began shortly after the news of the scandal broke. Portland’s police union was one of the groups that issued such a call. "The police mantra has always been, if you lie, cheat or steal while on duty or during the course of your duties you should be terminated,” explained Police union president Scott Westerman. “How is this any different? I think he should resign.”

    Besides the police union, the Oregonian and the Portland Tribune newspapers have both demanded that Adams step down. In an editorial the Portland Tribune explained, “Adams engaged in incredibly inappropriate actions and then lied about them for 17 months. In doing so, Adams created an irreparable breach in trust with the people who elected him.”

    While the mayor has so far said that he does not intend to resign, he has admitted, "If it were no longer in the city's best interests that I stay, yes, I would resign."
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    Continued validation that homosexuality is a sexual dysfunction that reaches far and wide. No matter how hard you try to validate its normalcy. DADT should not be repealed giving the armed services opportunity to screen for issues that can create damage in our young soldiers.
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    Very interesting article. Good segue to DADT. I came in a time when they did ask you if you were a homosexual and when I was asked (that was my screening process; couple of questions on a sheet of paper; no backdoor checks at all, and put my john hancock to the document); I just said no as did millions of others who served during my time and before, so just wondering how inquiring will cause damage to future soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines. If it will be repealed, I figure there wouldnt be a screening process at all or am I missing something here? I know DADT was to appease equal rights for all to serve and eliminate blatant discrimination but if you came out, discovered by an "immoral" act, then there were repercussions. Now if they can be open and serve; well oh well. I dont agree with many things that became policy, so be it. Just pick up a weapon and watch my back while I watch yours. That is all I care about. Just dont sasche while we breaking down doors.

    Anyway, there are other threads that debate this sensitive topic.

    Also very similar to the Sean Penn movie in which he was nominated

    http://edition.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/.../27/sean.penn/

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    The different scopes of interpretation on homosexuality are, morality (sense of right and wrong), religion (sin), and mental health. DADT also includes good order.
    I wanted to discuss mental health.

    The argument has been going for many years is it nurture or nature? Were you born there or did you acquire it.
    Neither side can be proved so it remains in debate.

    I am a huge promoter of REBT (Rational Emotive Behavioral therapy) and Behavior Modification.
    We have different forms of addiction. Psychological and physical are the predominant classification. Physical addictions are the addictions that in Lyman's terms means our body has assimilated the substance as part of our body and its function and leaves the body responding to the absence of the substance as if it were going to die. Now some substance such as alcohol or barbiturates can go to the extreme as to cause grand maul seizures and you could die.
    The other is the psychological dependence. This is where I believe homosexuality falls. It is an addiction. Anything that is mood altering has the potential for abuse and addiction. Substance, gambling, spending, sex, physical abuse all have the potential to become addicted to. Anything that can alter your mood through the experience.

    I believe through many different experiences homosexual desires can be birthed. When acted upon they produce increased desire and an attempt to normalize the behavior.

    As with drug abuse there are those that their mental make- up is such that they don’t experience as dramatic dysfunction as others.
    AS with drug abuse it likes to incorporate a following. It has to continue to find the extremes to reproduce the euphoric effects.
    The normalizing homosexual behavior in my opinion is no different than the legalizing some drugs. The drug in itself is not that damaging but it leads to a lifestyle of harder, more addictive type drugs.

    Homosexuality can and does incorporate pedophilia in some cases.

    My concern with the acceptance of gay activity in the military by the repealing of the DADT is not so much the unwanted glance in the shower but the incorporating of young men and women into a lifestyle that once experienced may not be a choice but an obligation to justify behavior.
    In my mind if people “came out” as drug addicts. Then every young person that experienced drug use would be far more prone to identify with the addiction then the experience. It’s the danger is see in this condition.

    Because you have fulfilled your homosexual desires and it feels good does not make it DNA driven. That means it’s psychologically driven. Any mood altering experience repeatedly acted on becomes habit and desire.

    This goes for any sexual relationship. Many of them are psychologically damaging. The number one issue causing problems with recruits is relationship issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mel44 View Post
    Continued validation that homosexuality is a sexual dysfunction that reaches far and wide. No matter how hard you try to validate its normalcy. DADT should not be repealed giving the armed services opportunity to screen for issues that can create damage in our young soldiers.
    WTF does one have to do with the other? Seems there have been a whole lot of recent incidents involving heterosexual indiscressions... so how does this story make a case that one precludes the other?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrustySMSgt View Post
    WTF does one have to do with the other? Seems there have been a whole lot of recent incidents involving heterosexual indiscressions... so how does this story make a case that one precludes the other?
    ok elabortate a little -
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    Quote Originally Posted by mel44 View Post
    ok elabortate a little -
    I think his point is that he could easily post examples of heterosexual indiscretions...and it wouldn't prove the dysfunction of being heterosexual any more than you posting a homosexual indiscretion proves the dysfunction of being homosexual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrustySMSgt View Post
    WTF does one have to do with the other? Seems there have been a whole lot of recent incidents involving heterosexual indiscressions... so how does this story make a case that one precludes the other?
    I agree! The hetro sexual incidents are as damaging and that is where the correlation should be seen. It continues to be a prejudice issue and a equality demand. Its neither. It is no different than older adults have indulged in little kids or teenagers. Rapist get their experience from the control and the violence.

    Now let me validate. There are many older people that may have a tendency to desire teenagers but don't act on it just like some people have a desire to use opiates but don't act on it. urges that are not acted on Will eventually go away. Cease to be urges.

    The reason for the posting the article is to demonstrate that even high ranking, public figures can not control addiction. it eventually gets out of control and leads to indulging in spite of negative consequences. Just like chemical addiction, sexual addiction, gambling addiction, spending addiction.

    If introduced to young soldiers that do not have their sexuality set by experience and/or family values, they will be vulnerable to the seduction of the experience and the lifestyle that is not healthy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrustySMSgt View Post
    WTF does one have to do with the other? Seems there have been a whole lot of recent incidents involving heterosexual indiscressions... so how does this story make a case that one precludes the other?

    Exactly. Homosexuals were sneaking in before DADT and its not like we going to have flaming new wardrobe and its raining men playing over the barracks radio.

    One doesnt go with the other. The military debate was the moral fabric and didnt care if you were born a homosexual or learned it at the blue oyster club. There are heterosexuals that are sexual deviants, addicts, pedophiles, etc, etc. that exist in our military communities.

    I was introduced to all kinds of stuff in the South Bronx but made the proper choices nevertheless. At least in a controlled environment such as the military; the weak minded have better guidance and caring after than anything else. I lived in the dorms in college and was exposed to a whole bunch of immoral stuff. Point is that the younger generation is exposed to homosexuality in many facets of life and if initally exposed to it in a military environment; I dont think its going to cause a major problem. Its like the white soldiers who saw a black for the first time joining the service. Can that experience alone cause a debate on racism, prejudice upbringing and all other ludicrous ideas?

    Governor Eliot Spitzer on his prostitute addiction? So I dont get it. President Clinton and the BJ. Supreme Justice Clarence Thomas with the pubic hair on the coke can. High ranking officials showing lapses of judgements when it came to sex, infidelity or common sense. But they were heterosexuals. All the closet gays actors in the 50s coming out. Rock Hudson dying of aids. New news article, old story.

    Anyway, I am curious on the replacement to the M4 lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by mel44 View Post
    Continued validation that homosexuality is a sexual dysfunction that reaches far and wide. No matter how hard you try to validate its normalcy. DADT should not be repealed giving the armed services opportunity to screen for issues that can create damage in our young soldiers.
    If--IF--there was any sexual activity involving a minor, then A) there would definitely be something the Mayor "needed" to hide and B) upon discovery of said activity, he would need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Having said that...

    Um, NO--this didn't validate sh!t. May be that because he knew the backlash public figures seem to get over gay relationships, this would bring him a lot of trouble. Gay relationships between consenting adults should be nothing to hide, and it is sad that he felt the need to cover it up, which is what brought this story about--NOT any perceived dysfunction.

    And your Chicken-Little-like fears for what "might" happen if/when DADT is lifted are indeed hysterical. I'm just not sure if that's in a good way or bad way.
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