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AF sgt
02-25-2019, 02:12 PM
The Oscars were borderline unwatchable last night. I kept watching, as one watches a train wreck, but I felt my annoyance growing all night. It was so transparent and predictable. I was able to pick the winner in EVERY single group, except one, as soon as they named the nominees. Are you the only minority in the group? You win. Is your character the only gay character in the group? You win. Are you the only "victimized" woman in the group? You win.

I wonder if, in 20 years, these winners will look back and feel patronized, wondering if they won because they were better or if they won because it was trendy and the Academy really didn't have another choice, without being called out for racist, sexist, or homophobic. I literally began to feel physically ill as the show went along.

Bos Mutus
02-25-2019, 05:07 PM
The Oscars were borderline unwatchable last night. I kept watching, as one watches a train wreck, but I felt my annoyance growing all night. It was so transparent and predictable. I was able to pick the winner in EVERY single group, except one, as soon as they named the nominees. Are you the only minority in the group? You win. Is your character the only gay character in the group? You win. Are you the only "victimized" woman in the group? You win.

I wonder if, in 20 years, these winners will look back and feel patronized, wondering if they won because they were better or if they won because it was trendy and the Academy really didn't have another choice, without being called out for racist, sexist, or homophobic. I literally began to feel physically ill as the show went along.

I pretty much never watch awards shows...occasionally I'll watch the Grammy's just because they have some great music acts.

My wife really wanted to watch the Oscars last night, so I sat with her to watch it....she likes Gaga, and man did she ever belt out that song.

I'm not even a big movie buff, so the only movie I've seen of all those in the running was Bohemian Rhapsody. So, I don't really know all that much about the other movies.

Overall, it seemed the presenters and awardees were very mum on any political statements this year as I've heard people complain about that in the past. The English lady that won best actress seemed to be really caught off-guard that she won and had nothing prepared, etc...that was pretty funny. But, did not really hear many political statements except for Streisand.

My wife noticed something like what you are talking about...the seemingly forced diversity of winners/nominees. I dunno, I haven't seen any of the movies, so hard to say. Of course, the Academy has come under criticism before for having all-white winners, etc., so I'm sure they try to make sure that doesn't keep happening. I went to bed before the best movie award, but reports this morning were that Spike Lee was upset that he didn't win it.

I was surprised to learn that after 7 nominations, Glenn Close has never won an Oscar...I thought she had a few by now. I never get the whole awards thing, but I guess it's important to them. I suppose it's validation.

LogDog
02-25-2019, 05:46 PM
I don't pay too much attention to the Oscars because the studios, production companies, and actors campaign for their films to win instead of letting the Academy members make a decision on their own. I know this sound naive but as far as I'm concerned the only opinion on a movie that counts is mine. If you have a different opinion that's okay because everyone has their likes and dislikes.

garhkal
02-25-2019, 08:35 PM
The Oscars were borderline unwatchable last night. I kept watching, as one watches a train wreck, but I felt my annoyance growing all night. It was so transparent and predictable. I was able to pick the winner in EVERY single group, except one, as soon as they named the nominees. Are you the only minority in the group? You win. Is your character the only gay character in the group? You win. Are you the only "victimized" woman in the group? You win.


That's why i won't Watch any of these 'awards shows'. They've become nothing more than a SJW happy fest, of back slaps and kissing up to what ever the newest 'victim group' happens to be.


I wonder if, in 20 years, these winners will look back and feel patronized, wondering if they won because they were better or if they won because it was trendy and the Academy really didn't have another choice, without being called out for racist, sexist, or homophobic. I literally began to feel physically ill as the show went along.

I doubt it. Their 'victimhood' IMO gives them blinders.

FLAPS
02-25-2019, 08:47 PM
I quit watching awards shows years ago, and especially won't start again now that they've gotten so political. I just can't stand (as a conservative) being insulted by people who make a living from people like me who watch their movies.

AF sgt
02-26-2019, 04:48 AM
I quit watching awards shows years ago, and especially won't start again now that they've gotten so political. It wasn't political, other than Spike Lee, and some comment about Mel Gibson (guess that was the best Trevor Noah could do).


I just can't stand (as a conservative) being insulted by people who make a living from people like me who watch their movies. I like watching their movies. I don't even mind watching a movie that is "political" and opposed to my views. I just don't care to listen to the views of the individual actors, liberal, conservative, or other.

AF sgt
02-26-2019, 05:00 AM
I pretty much never watch awards shows...occasionally I'll watch the Grammy's just because they have some great music acts. I know I'm aging because I don't even know any of the musical acts anymore.


My wife really wanted to watch the Oscars last night, so I sat with her to watch it....she likes Gaga, and man did she ever belt out that song. I didn't like her, originally, but she has definitely become more than just a Madonna clone.


I'm not even a big movie buff, so the only movie I've seen of all those in the running was Bohemian Rhapsody. So, I don't really know all that much about the other movies. I had only seen Black Panther, which was no better than any other comic book movie, yet "somehow" got a ton of nominations. I can't bring myself to watch a Spike Lee movie, and I'm definitely not big on foreign language films, so I really didn't care.


Overall, it seemed the presenters and awardees were very mum on any political statements this year as I've heard people complain about that in the past. Yeah, other than Spike Lee and Trevor Noah, and some little joke by two presenters saying "they thought we couldn't swim" or something like that.
The English lady that won best actress seemed to be really caught off-guard that she won and had nothing prepared, etc...that was pretty funny. She was definitely the best part of the entire night. She was the only one that actually sounded authentic.




My wife noticed something like what you are talking about...the seemingly forced diversity of winners/nominees. I dunno, I haven't seen any of the movies, so hard to say. Of course, the Academy has come under criticism before for having all-white winners, etc., so I'm sure they try to make sure that doesn't keep happening. I've never really understood how the Academy picks it's winners, anyway. I've probably only ever liked about 10% of the Best Picture movies.
I went to bed before the best movie award, but reports this morning were that Spike Lee was upset that he didn't win it. Doesn't surprise me. That's pretty much his schtick is the angry, oppressed, militant black man. Though he did lose to a film that was about a black man in the south in the 60s or something, so not sure what he's angry about.


was surprised to learn that after 7 nominations, Glenn Close has never won an Oscar...I thought she had a few by now. Yeah, I would have guessed she had one or two


I never get the whole awards thing, but I guess it's important to them. I suppose it's validation.Kind of like military awards.

garhkal
02-26-2019, 06:13 AM
I had only seen Black Panther, which was no better than any other comic book movie, yet "somehow" got a ton of nominations. I can't bring myself to watch a Spike Lee movie, and I'm definitely not big on foreign language films, so I really didn't care.

IO the main reason it got so many nominations, was because it celebrated 'black power'.

FLAPS
02-26-2019, 11:23 AM
IO the main reason it got so many nominations, was because it celebrated 'black power'.

I went into Black Panther expecting it to be another over hyped mediocre Marvel movie, but was pleasantly surprised at how much I enjoyed it. I just wish movies could be produced and judged on their true merits and entertainment value, not how they can check another block for the SJW agenda...much like the new Bat Woman who we must know just happens to be a lesbian.

AF sgt
02-26-2019, 02:12 PM
I went into Black Panther expecting it to be another over hyped mediocre Marvel movie, but was pleasantly surprised at how much I enjoyed it. I just wish movies could be produced and judged on their true merits and entertainment value, not how they can check another block for the SJW agenda...much like the new Bat Woman who we must know just happens to be a lesbian.

I literally (and I use "literally" in the literal sense, not in the metaphorical sense) dozed off a couple times during Black Panther. However, I've never been one who cares about the "art" of a TV, just as I've never been about the art of a song. In music, I like a good melody, memorable lyrics, etc. Basically, I like pop and am not ashamed. Same goes for film. I don't want to have to think deeply about, or interpret, the meaning of a movie. I want a song to make me tap my foot, and I want a movie that with big explosion and witty banter. If I had my choice, Bruce Willis and Mel Gibson would win the best actor Oscar every year. Take that however you want to determine my credibility on the subject.

I like what I like, and am not going to try to become more "cultured" in order to be able to enjoy a boring movie.

FLAPS
02-26-2019, 02:23 PM
I literally (and I use "literally" in the literal sense, not in the metaphorical sense) dozed off a couple times during Black Panther. However, I've never been one who cares about the "art" of a TV, just as I've never been about the art of a song. In music, I like a good melody, memorable lyrics, etc. Basically, I like pop and am not ashamed. Same goes for film. I don't want to have to think deeply about, or interpret, the meaning of a movie. I want a song to make me tap my foot, and I want a movie that with big explosion and witty banter. If I had my choice, Bruce Willis and Mel Gibson would win the best actor Oscar every year. Take that however you want to determine my credibility on the subject.

I like what I like, and am not going to try to become more "cultured" in order to be able to enjoy a boring movie.

I feel the same way about the whole "artistic content" approach to movie appreciation. I simply like to be entertained, and BP was for me. I agree with Bruce Willis and Mel Gibson, but I would also add Tom Cruise if you're looking for action stars....especially his MI series. I would also add Denzel Washington to the list, as far as actors who consistently put out quality movies.

AF sgt
02-26-2019, 02:31 PM
I feel the same way about the whole "artistic content" approach to movie appreciation. I simply like to be entertained, and BP was for me. I agree with Bruce Willis and Mel Gibson, but I would also add Tom Cruise if you're looking for action stars....especially his MI series. I would also add Denzel Washington to the list, as far as actors who consistently put out quality movies.

A couple of my friends and I were trying to come up with some names of current, younger actors who are going to, or are in the midst of, replacing the blockbuster actors of the 80s/90s, and were having a hard time with it. We couldn't really count any of the Marvel/DC actors because, outside of those franchises, they aren't really known for being action stars. It's really pretty limited. Maybe The Rock. Other than that, there aren't many. Not sure if that's because today's actors don't want to be seen as the Alpha Male type because it's looked down on. Not sure. You have any names?

The other thing that always makes me laugh about the awards shows is how all the women, who spend their time preaching that they don't want to be viewed as sex objects, always dress in a manner to show off as much of their body as possible, and are often in roles where their sexuality is the main part of their character. But that's another conversation for another time.

FLAPS
02-26-2019, 02:44 PM
A couple of my friends and I were trying to come up with some names of current, younger actors who are going to, or are in the midst of, replacing the blockbuster actors of the 80s/90s, and were having a hard time with it. We couldn't really count any of the Marvel/DC actors because, outside of those franchises, they aren't really known for being action stars. It's really pretty limited. Maybe The Rock. Other than that, there aren't many. Not sure if that's because today's actors don't want to be seen as the Alpha Male type because it's looked down on. Not sure. You have any names?

The other thing that always makes me laugh about the awards shows is how all the women, who spend their time preaching that they don't want to be viewed as sex objects, always dress in a manner to show off as much of their body as possible, and are often in roles where their sexuality is the main part of their character. But that's another conversation for another time.

Matt Damon was pretty bad ass in the Bourne series. Everytime I've walked out of a theater after watching his movies I've wanted to beat everyone's ass in the lobby, in a friendly, fun kind of way. Jason Statham is pretty badass too, and probably one of my favorite B-movie actors. My wife would leave me to marry him, given the chance, but I think most wives feel that way.

AF sgt
02-26-2019, 02:47 PM
Matt Damon was pretty bad ass in the Bourne series. Everytime I've walked out of a theater after watching his movies I've wanted to beat everyone's ass in the lobby, in a friendly, fun kind of way. Jason Statham is pretty badass too, and probably one of my favorite B-movie actors. My wife would leave me to marry him, given the chance, but I think most wives feel that way.

Yeah, both of those 2 are great at what they do.

Bos Mutus
02-26-2019, 03:31 PM
I like a movie with a great story...esp. plot twist that I didn't see coming.

Special effects and big explosions, especially in the era of CGI where the movie looks kinda like a video game, do nothing for me.

I can only suspend disbelief so far....prefer a more realistic character. I mean, they can be bad ass tough guys with extraordinary skills, just don't make them able to jump buildings and yank a helicopter with one arm while holding an M60 in the other...never got into superheroes.

Lately, I'm more into some of the series on Netflix and Amazon that have main characters with serious character flaws and are neither super human nor super evil....they are really doing some smart series these days.

AF sgt
02-26-2019, 04:14 PM
I like a movie with a great story...esp. plot twist that I didn't see coming. Unfortunately, movie makers try too hard now to have a "plot twist" that you don't see coming. It's pretty much expected now. Especially when the trailer ends with "A PLOT TWIST YOU'LL NEVER SEE COMING!!!!!!!!"


Special effects and big explosions, especially in the era of CGI where the movie looks kinda like a video game, do nothing for me.

I can only suspend disbelief so far....prefer a more realistic character. I mean, they can be bad ass tough guys with extraordinary skills, just don't make them able to jump buildings and yank a helicopter with one arm while holding an M60 in the other...never got into superheroes.Life has enough reality for me. Movies are escapism. There's plenty of miserable reality around us everyday.


Lately, I'm more into some of the series on Netflix and Amazon that have main characters with serious character flaws and are neither super human nor super evil....they are really doing some smart series these days.They have some ok stuff, and some really overrated stuff, IMO. The only thing I like about Netflix is being able to binge watch, and always have hope that the format forces the cable/satellite companies to start allowing us to choose the channels we want to pay for.

Of course, that's what's great about movies, music, art, etc. We don't all have to like the same stuff. It's very subjective. Of course it's annoying when the "self important" people like to tell you how lame the stuff you watch is, while they try to explain to you why their "smart comedies" and other trendy movies/shows are so much greater than yours.

FLAPS
02-26-2019, 05:46 PM
Of course it's annoying when the "self important" people like to tell you how lame the stuff you watch is, while they try to explain to you why their "smart comedies" and other trendy movies/shows are so much greater than yours.

This is why I pay no attention to Rotten Tomatoes any longer, especially after noticing how different many of the 'professional' opinions are from those (i.e., us little people) who simply want to escape reality for a couple of hours to be entertained. Most of the time I see such a huge disparity in these opinions, it's due to political reasons.

AF sgt
02-26-2019, 07:18 PM
This is why I pay no attention to Rotten Tomatoes any longer, especially after noticing how different many of the 'professional' opinions are from those (i.e., us little people) who simply want to escape reality for a couple of hours to be entertained. Most of the time I see such a huge disparity in these opinions, it's due to political reasons.

For sure. I usually figure if the movie gets below a 50 on rotten tomatoes that I'm probably going to like it.

garhkal
02-26-2019, 08:04 PM
I went into Black Panther expecting it to be another over hyped mediocre Marvel movie, but was pleasantly surprised at how much I enjoyed it. I just wish movies could be produced and judged on their true merits and entertainment value, not how they can check another block for the SJW agenda...much like the new Bat Woman who we must know just happens to be a lesbian.

Which is one reason Capt Marvel's getting so much shit online, because it IS heavily pushing the SJW agenda. Doesn't help it either that Brie larson was also hyping that, with her "White men just can shut up and don't need to see the film" rant she did last year...



The other thing that always makes me laugh about the awards shows is how all the women, who spend their time preaching that they don't want to be viewed as sex objects, always dress in a manner to show off as much of their body as possible, and are often in roles where their sexuality is the main part of their character. But that's another conversation for another time.


Well it's the same hypcristy we get from actors like Lian Neeson, who are big anti gun rights activists, BUT make all their movies with lots o guns in them.

AF sgt
02-26-2019, 08:14 PM
Which is one reason Capt Marvel's getting so much shit online, because it IS heavily pushing the SJW agenda. Doesn't help it either that Brie larson was also hyping that, with her "White men just can shut up and don't need to see the film" rant she did last year... Doesn't bother me, as far as the film goes. I don't have to like her agenda, or even like her. I just hope the movie is good.





Well it's the same hypcristy we get from actors like Lian Neeson, who are big anti gun rights activists, BUT make all their movies with lots o guns in them.That has always been pretty funny to me as well. But again, doesn't stop me from watching he movies. I'm usually able to separate/compartmentalize the individual actor from the role/movie.

LogDog
02-26-2019, 10:20 PM
I don't pay attention to what Rotten Tomatoes thinks. I usually go to the IMBD to get a synopsis of the movie to see if it would interest me. No use wasting good money on a bad movie. I've read a number of articles listing the best movies of the year or the best movies by genre and I don't agree with a lot of them. I know what I like and it doesn't bother me if others don't like them.

I recently saw Homes & Waston without looking at IMBD. The movie was one of the worst ones I ever saw. On the bright side, I saw it at the Navy Theater so admission was free and the popcorn and soda I bought tasted good.

AF sgt
02-26-2019, 11:11 PM
I don't pay attention to what Rotten Tomatoes thinks. I usually go to the IMBD to get a synopsis of the movie to see if it would interest me. No use wasting good money on a bad movie. I've read a number of articles listing the best movies of the year or the best movies by genre and I don't agree with a lot of them. I know what I like and it doesn't bother me if others don't like them.

I recently saw Homes & Waston without looking at IMBD. The movie was one of the worst ones I ever saw. On the bright side, I saw it at the Navy Theater so admission was free and the popcorn and soda I bought tasted good.

I'm curious as to what percentage of movie goers actually pay attention to the reviews, especially from a site like Rotten Tomatoes. It's seems to me that the site itself has become its own entity, and people go to it just to see if the majority agree with their view of it. I see more arguments on social media about the review of a movie more than the actual movie itself.

Mjölnir
02-27-2019, 12:27 AM
I'm curious as to what percentage of movie goers actually pay attention to the reviews, especially from a site like Rotten Tomatoes. It's seems to me that the site itself has become its own entity, and people go to it just to see if the majority agree with their view of it. I see more arguments on social media about the review of a movie more than the actual movie itself.

Using Rotten Tomatoes or any other set of reviews is probably subjective based on so many different things I would guess most people know if they want to see a movie or not regardless of reviews, it is hard to evaluate. I heard that Holmes and Watson was really bad, I already wasn't planning on seeing it and didn't go see it. I had heard Batman vs Superman wasn't great, wanted to see it, saw it ... really liked it.

AF sgt
02-27-2019, 02:07 AM
Using Rotten Tomatoes or any other set of reviews is probably subjective based on so many different things I would guess most people know if they want to see a movie or not regardless of reviews, it is hard to evaluate. I heard that Holmes and Watson was really bad, I already wasn't planning on seeing it and didn't go see it. I had heard Batman vs Superman wasn't great, wanted to see it, saw it ... really liked it.

I think that just by the nature of the job, movie critics are going to be (or should be) paying attention to the little things (artistic or otherwise) that the average, and majority , of viewers pay no attention to.

garhkal
02-27-2019, 03:27 AM
I'm curious as to what percentage of movie goers actually pay attention to the reviews, especially from a site like Rotten Tomatoes. It's seems to me that the site itself has become its own entity, and people go to it just to see if the majority agree with their view of it. I see more arguments on social media about the review of a movie more than the actual movie itself.

I pay more attention to reviews from say the redbox site, or from the library, than i do rotten tomatoes.

AF sgt
02-27-2019, 03:48 AM
I pay more attention to reviews from say the redbox site, or from the library, than i do rotten tomatoes. I try to avoid most reviews, as I don't like how they tend to be full of spoilers. I'd rather go into a film blind, usually just based on the trailer.

Bos Mutus
02-27-2019, 04:54 PM
Reviews are funny things nowadays and seem to be more about the reviewer showing how smart, funny, clever they can be rather than about the actual movie, book, product being reviewed.Ok, professional reviewers that work for a publication is one thing...I guess they have some credibility, although, I don't read movie reviews, like you guys, that person's opinion does not relate to whether or not I'll enjoy a movie. We watch for different things.There is a big on-line reviewer deal....with like Amazon, Yelp, Goodreads, Instagram where reviewers build followers because their reviews are funny or clever or maybe even useful...I suppose they somehow get compensated for their reviews maybe or get free products if they will review them. Companies/authors do this because the reviewer has a large following, so it's a bit of free advertising/marketing. Some of them, my God, write small novels of reviews....who has the time?I remember talking to a winemaker about a recent review he got in a wine magazine and yes, he had to send in his wine and a check for $250 for them to review his wine. I told him I would've done it for half price. It seems in that sort of business 'positive reviewers' probably make more money than negative ones....who wants to hire someone to destroy your product? Kind of like ISO audits, I guess...companies hire an accrediting agency to audit and accredit them....that agency can be 'easy' or 'hard' and costs can vary. I see it as a similar thing...ultimately the customer will determine how important credibility is, I guess, or whether they just need that 'accredit' stamp to satisfy their own auditors..

LogDog
02-27-2019, 07:20 PM
Reviews are funny things nowadays and seem to be more about the reviewer showing how smart, funny, clever they can be rather than about the actual movie, book, product being reviewed.Ok, professional reviewers that work for a publication is one thing...I guess they have some credibility, although, I don't read movie reviews, like you guys, that person's opinion does not relate to whether or not I'll enjoy a movie. We watch for different things.There is a big on-line reviewer deal....with like Amazon, Yelp, Goodreads, Instagram where reviewers build followers because their reviews are funny or clever or maybe even useful...I suppose they somehow get compensated for their reviews maybe or get free products if they will review them. Companies/authors do this because the reviewer has a large following, so it's a bit of free advertising/marketing. Some of them, my God, write small novels of reviews....who has the time?I remember talking to a winemaker about a recent review he got in a wine magazine and yes, he had to send in his wine and a check for $250 for them to review his wine. I told him I would've done it for half price. It seems in that sort of business 'positive reviewers' probably make more money than negative ones....who wants to hire someone to destroy your product? Kind of like ISO audits, I guess...companies hire an accrediting agency to audit and accredit them....that agency can be 'easy' or 'hard' and costs can vary. I see it as a similar thing...ultimately the customer will determine how important credibility is, I guess, or whether they just need that 'accredit' stamp to satisfy their own auditors..
Your mention of a magazine reviewing a bottle of wine for $250 is really a scam committed on the person paying the fee and the people reading the article. I don't doubt there are some movie producers who pay reviewers to post favorable reviews on their websites, blogs, print media and that's a scam as well.

I see movie trailers on TV or in the theater and that's where my interest in them begins. I'll read the synopsis on IMDB to get the plot of the movie to see if it's worth my time. Friends are the best source of information and they will tell me if they enjoyed a movie and that carries more weight than a reviewer/critic.

Bos Mutus
03-04-2019, 02:05 PM
Your mention of a magazine reviewing a bottle of wine for $250 is really a scam committed on the person paying the fee and the people reading the article. I don't doubt there are some movie producers who pay reviewers to post favorable reviews on their websites, blogs, print media and that's a scam as well.

Well, to be fair, he is paying them to review his wine...not necessarily a favorable review.

The reviewer has to protect their reputation as it is what gives them the ability to have their reviews worth anything.

So, it's less of a scam, but is a curious business model that does raise eyebrows, for sure. I think like anything...those more serious wine people know which reviewers are more legit than others regardless of how they get paid.


I see movie trailers on TV or in the theater and that's where my interest in them begins. I'll read the synopsis on IMDB to get the plot of the movie to see if it's worth my time. Friends are the best source of information and they will tell me if they enjoyed a movie and that carries more weight than a reviewer/critic.

Yes, I agree...like I said, movie critics watch for completely different things than I do in a movie.