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garhkal
10-03-2018, 05:23 AM
With all the stuff in the news over the past year and change, about the kneeling in the NFL, and the like. How do those in the mil feel, when they are asked (or voluntold) to go do an honor guard type extra duty at a sporting event, whether holding out the flag, or the like?

Mjölnir
10-09-2018, 12:16 PM
With all the stuff in the news over the past year and change, about the kneeling in the NFL, and the like. How do those in the mil feel, when they are asked (or voluntold) to go do an honor guard type extra duty at a sporting event, whether holding out the flag, or the like?

Sometimes it has been cool-- treated well, fed, met some pros. Sometimes it has been a PITA.

Its public relations, nothing more nothing less.

retiredAFcivvy
10-09-2018, 05:25 PM
With all the stuff in the news over the past year and change, about the kneeling in the NFL, and the like. How do those in the mil feel, when they are asked (or voluntold) to go do an honor guard type extra duty at a sporting event, whether holding out the flag, or the like?

I suspect that those selected are top performers and are proud to represent the military regardless if some NFL player chooses to kneel rather than stand.

Mjölnir
10-10-2018, 01:46 PM
I suspect that those selected are top performers and are proud to represent the military regardless if some NFL player chooses to kneel rather than stand.

We are conveniently wedged between Baltimore and DC so we get tagged for COMRELs pretty regularly for NFL, MLB and some NBA & NHL stuff. We almost always have a lot more volunteers than we need. The only time I recall “ voluntelling” Sailors was on a holiday weekend, and we used our duty section for that day ... so it technically wasn’t a day off.

meatbringer
10-16-2018, 03:12 PM
I don't see how it would have any effect or impact whatsoever. I honestly don't even see how they would be related.

garhkal
10-23-2018, 04:09 AM
We are conveniently wedged between Baltimore and DC so we get tagged for COMRELs pretty regularly for NFL, MLB and some NBA & NHL stuff. We almost always have a lot more volunteers than we need. The only time I recall “ voluntelling” Sailors was on a holiday weekend, and we used our duty section for that day ... so it technically wasn’t a day off.

That's kind of surprising. I'd have thought a lot of the mil would be shunning the NFL.

Mjölnir
10-23-2018, 11:09 PM
That's kind of surprising. I'd have thought a lot of the mil would be shunning the NFL.

Why do you think they would?

meatbringer
10-25-2018, 03:37 PM
Why do you think they would?

Because Fox "News" said that it's about spoiled black millionaires hating America and disrespecting the flag and veterans!

The truth, however, is that it's their right to protest an injustice in this country that they feel affects them, and it has nothing to do with disrespecting the flag or veterans. Rational, logical thinking veterans realize that they serve in order to preserve that right, and not to cherry-pick protests or rights that only they agree with.

Besides, it was originally an AD soldier who initially proposed the idea for Kaepernick to kneel during the anthem. It's funny how Trump and Fox keep forgetting to mention that.

garhkal
10-26-2018, 04:12 AM
Because of the whole 'take a knee' issue, being seen by many to disrespect the flag. A flag the mil fights under.

Bos Mutus
10-29-2018, 05:21 PM
Because of the whole 'take a knee' issue, being seen by many to disrespect the flag. A flag the mil fights under.

The military is made up of a lot of different people who have different opinions. I know some that have tuned out of the NFL, and some that have not.

I don't think there is any shortage of volunteers for these type of events, though I don't doubt there are some that won't.

Did you know that the military pays the NFL to hold those 'honor ceremonies'? It's part of the recruiting budget. AT least until recently.

garhkal
10-29-2018, 05:41 PM
Hold the flip on. WE PAY THEM? What the schmuck..

If anything, THEY Should be the ones paying US.

Bos Mutus
10-29-2018, 06:36 PM
Hold the flip on. WE PAY THEM? What the schmuck..

If anything, THEY Should be the ones paying US.

We were. I don't know if they still are...there was a big stink raised about it a couple years ago by Sen. McCain (RIP).

http://www.post-gazette.com/news/nation/2015/11/06/Department-of-Defense-paid-53-million-to-pro-sports-for-military-tributes-report-says/stories/201511060140

Last year, the NFL actually returned some of the money when it did an audit. So, I can't say if it's still going on today.

I think it was looked at as commercial advertising and paid for that way....or the services sponsoring a NASCAR car...which I don't think they do that anymore either. The services say that it helps recruiting and is a recruiting expense.

Mjölnir
10-30-2018, 03:06 PM
We were. I don't know if they still are...there was a big stink raised about it a couple years ago by Sen. McCain (RIP).

http://www.post-gazette.com/news/nation/2015/11/06/Department-of-Defense-paid-53-million-to-pro-sports-for-military-tributes-report-says/stories/201511060140

Last year, the NFL actually returned some of the money when it did an audit. So, I can't say if it's still going on today.

I think it was looked at as commercial advertising and paid for that way....or the services sponsoring a NASCAR car...which I don't think they do that anymore either. The services say that it helps recruiting and is a recruiting expense.

We pay, it comes from PA & recruiting money.

retiredAFcivvy
10-30-2018, 06:36 PM
We pay, it comes from PA & recruiting money.

I don't have a problem with it. Apparently, with the high visibility, the Audit Agencies or GAO would have flagged it if it was a fiscal problem.

garhkal
11-01-2018, 04:57 AM
Has there ever been any sort of study done to show just how many folks who ARE recruited mention "IT was cause i saw XYZ at a football game", to actually JUSTIFY all that expenditure?

retiredAFcivvy
11-01-2018, 09:21 PM
Has there ever been any sort of study done to show just how many folks who ARE recruited mention "IT was cause i saw XYZ at a football game", to actually JUSTIFY all that expenditure?

While I haven't changed my view on there being a benefit to this type of advertising, I did do a little more research on the subject. I was also surprised that the services paid the NFL for "patriotic" appearances. One GAO study did show there was no real correlation on the cost of advertising with the number of recruits. As Bos pointed out the NFL did refund some monies on this. While you can't really put a monetary value on it I think those performances could have an impact on recruiting and retention. I know I still get a little emotional when I see the B-2 or other aircraft do the flyovers at these events.

Bos Mutus
11-02-2018, 01:57 AM
WWhile you can't really put a monetary value on it I think those performances could have an impact on recruiting and retention. I know I still get a little emotional when I see the B-2 or other aircraft do the flyovers at these events.

I'd tend to agree. It's not like you'll have X amount of recruits state, "I saw an honor ceremony so I enlisted."....but, the 'honor' showed to the military contributes to an overall positive impression and 'good feelings' about the military, and it reinforces those ideas along with other things that make the military an attractive career for many people.

But, I don't think we'd find what Gark is looking for, '50,000 people called the recruiters office after seeing the NFL presentations.'....doesn't quite work like that.

Mjölnir
11-02-2018, 07:28 AM
Agree, doubt there is some kind of metric that states of x recruits y stated that [particular recruiting / PA campaign] was the cause of enlistment.

I don’t mind the expenditure too much. If the military “retreats” to being an unseen group that the public doesn’t really ID with (worse than the do now).

That said, am also not a fan of over, hyped, and politicized patriotism that I often see.