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WILDJOKER5
02-14-2017, 01:27 PM
If middle class idiots stopped licking the boots of the one-percenters, they'd stop saying stupid shit like this.

So, we get the socialist like the one above spouting off non-sense like this. Just my question is, which 1%ers do you hate? Which one's should the middle class stop licking the boots of and start licking the boots of the 1%ers the left loves? I never hear the left talk about dropping pay for the 1%ers in colleges. Or the 1%ers in government. Or the 1%ers in public school administrations. Or the 1%ers of union bosses. Is it just a catchy buzz word that you associate with millionaires and billionaires, just to for get that being a 1%er starts at $250,000? BTW, generals are 1%ers too.

WILDJOKER5
02-14-2017, 01:30 PM
Just for help, here is a cheat sheet.

http://www.financialsamurai.com/who-are-the-top-1-income-earners/

Notice how the only ones that are claimed to be "bad" 1%ers aren't liberals and actually create jobs with businesses?

sandsjames
02-14-2017, 02:02 PM
I don't hate any of the one percenters...not just because they are one percenters. I hate that the dems try to make it sound like they aren't part of that one percent. I hate that Obama will talk about the one percenters and the billionaires, then spend his first month out of office on a private island with Richard Branson, one of the most famous billionaires in the world. I hate the fact that there isn't a flat rate tax for the entire population, without deductions and write-offs, that allows the one percent to pay a lower percentage tax...I DON'T hate that they take advantage of the loopholes provided...just that the loopholes exist. I hate that people buy into what Bernie says about one percenters, or what Hillary says...when those two are definitely not in the bottom 99%.

WILDJOKER5
02-14-2017, 02:12 PM
I don't hate any of the one percenters...not just because they are one percenters. I hate that the dems try to make it sound like they aren't part of that one percent. I hate that Obama will talk about the one percenters and the billionaires, then spend his first month out of office on a private island with Richard Branson, one of the most famous billionaires in the world. I hate the fact that there isn't a flat rate tax for the entire population, without deductions and write-offs, that allows the one percent to pay a lower percentage tax...I DON'T hate that they take advantage of the loopholes provided...just that the loopholes exist. I hate that people buy into what Bernie says about one percenters, or what Hillary says...when those two are definitely not in the bottom 99%.

Yeah, I know you are reasonable. Its funny that in 2009 they didn't close any loophole when they pushed Obamacare. Lip service is all the left provides.

Rusty Jones
02-14-2017, 06:03 PM
I don't hate any of the one percenters...not just because they are one percenters. I hate that the dems try to make it sound like they aren't part of that one percent. I hate that Obama will talk about the one percenters and the billionaires, then spend his first month out of office on a private island with Richard Branson, one of the most famous billionaires in the world. I hate the fact that there isn't a flat rate tax for the entire population, without deductions and write-offs, that allows the one percent to pay a lower percentage tax...I DON'T hate that they take advantage of the loopholes provided...just that the loopholes exist. I hate that people buy into what Bernie says about one percenters, or what Hillary says...when those two are definitely not in the bottom 99%.

The problem is that WJ5 is over here shedding tears for the one percent, when they couldn't give two shits about him. I'm sure he'd be hauled away with a few bruises if he ever tried to get into one of Trump's soirees, while Trump himself would be pointing at WJ5 and laughing. And with WJ5, presumably among the middle class, likely to be treated this way... imagine how all the other GED educated, mullet wearing, D100 driving inbreds who voted for Trump would be treated in his presence.

I'm sure ANY one-percenter would gladly shit on WJ5 the same way Trump would.

As far as Democrat politicians being a part of the 1%, if it's because they hold political office, I'm not too worried about that.

Why? Because if you pay them some working class salary, it would kill the perceived (and ulimately real) prestige of their office.

Another thing that needs to be clarified: "one-percenter" doesn't refer to net worth. It refers to annual income. Bernie Sanders has, or did have, a net worth of $400,000.

To put this into perspective, a military spouse whose husband dies while on active duty and has SGLI is going to be worth just as much as Bernie Sanders.

garhkal
02-14-2017, 06:19 PM
I don't hate any of the one percenters...not just because they are one percenters. I hate that the dems try to make it sound like they aren't part of that one percent. I hate that Obama will talk about the one percenters and the billionaires, then spend his first month out of office on a private island with Richard Branson, one of the most famous billionaires in the world. I hate the fact that there isn't a flat rate tax for the entire population, without deductions and write-offs, that allows the one percent to pay a lower percentage tax...I DON'T hate that they take advantage of the loopholes provided...just that the loopholes exist. I hate that people buy into what Bernie says about one percenters, or what Hillary says...when those two are definitely not in the bottom 99%.

Wow, me and Sand see eye to eye on something. QUICK check to see if the sky isn't falling:tounge6:

For the longest time i have LOATHED that there is almost as many books in the IRS code for whta you can deduct, how, when, and why, as there are rules for What is taxable and for what amount.
JUST GO TO A FRIKKEN FLAT 8-10% tax, NO DEDUCTIONS, NO loop holes, NO CREDITS.. NOTHING!
That way everyone has 'skin in the game', and you don't get someone paying LESS cause he has 3 kids and knows the loopholes, but makes 3 mil, than someone who say has 1 kid but doesn't know the system and only makes 75k a year...

sandsjames
02-14-2017, 06:20 PM
Another thing that needs to be clarified: "one-percenter" doesn't refer to net worth. It refers to annual income. Bernie Sanders has, or did have, a net worth of $400,000.



Herein lies the problem, though. Someone with a net worth of $400k can't relate to me on a level any different than someone with a $50 million net worth. It's completely different lifestyles and no matter how relatable they think they are it's just not true.

edit: Looking into it more (cuz I'd never really paid attention) that $400k is misleading. A lot of stuff is in his wife's name. Also, between his senate salary and his pension he's making over $200,000 a year. I can't relate to someone making that much any more than I can to someone making millions.

Rusty Jones
02-14-2017, 06:23 PM
For the longest time i have LOATHED that there is almost as many books in the IRS code for whta you can deduct, how, when, and why, as there are rules for What is taxable and for what amount.
JUST GO TO A FRIKKEN FLAT 8-10% tax, NO DEDUCTIONS, NO loop holes, NO CREDITS.. NOTHING!
That way everyone has 'skin in the game', and you don't get someone paying LESS cause he has 3 kids and knows the loopholes, but makes 3 mil, than someone who say has 1 kid but doesn't know the system and only makes 75k a year...

There isn't a single person on MTF who is rich enough to benefit from this.

sandsjames
02-14-2017, 06:31 PM
There isn't a single person on MTF who is rich enough to benefit from this.

I think we'd all benefit from it. All I'd really be losing is my refund at the end of the year which I don't rely on for anything. It would put a lot more money into the system. I'd put a bottom cap on it, whatever falls into "low income" with a lower rate, but everyone above low income would never even notice a difference, and many would have more in their pockets every month...hell...I'd have about an extra $80 to $100 at 10% flat rate.

Rusty Jones
02-14-2017, 06:34 PM
Herein lies the problem, though. Someone with a net worth of $400k can't relate to me on a level any different than someone with a $50 million net worth. It's completely different lifestyles and no matter how relatable they think they are it's just not true.

Again, I said that - to put this into perspective - a military spouse whose husband dies while on active duty will have the same net worth as Bernie Sanders.

There are plenty people in your neighborhood who are worth just as much, if not more.

The old retired man on your block? His house is paid off, so that's a net worth of $200,000 right there. He probably has twice that in his 401K and/or IRA.

$400,000 may seem like a lot of money at first glance, but it's really when you look more closely.

Rusty Jones
02-14-2017, 06:35 PM
I think we'd all benefit from it. All I'd really be losing is my refund at the end of the year which I don't rely on for anything. It would put a lot more money into the system. I'd put a bottom cap on it, whatever falls into "low income" with a lower rate, but everyone above low income would never even notice a difference, and many would have more in their pockets every month...hell...I'd have about an extra $80 to $100 at 10% flat rate.

Looks like you forgot about Herman Cain getting his ass kicked all over the place by economists with his "9-9-9" proposal.

sandsjames
02-14-2017, 06:58 PM
Looks like you forgot about Herman Cain getting his ass kicked all over the place by economists with his "9-9-9" proposal.

I know there's always been a lot of opposition to it, but that doesn't mean it won't work. Let's not forget that economists thought that "trickle down" was gonna fix everything...it was good, until it wasn't. We've tried so many tax laws over the years, but it all seems like a short term fix. If economists were always right then everyone would be living above the poverty level.

Rainmaker
02-14-2017, 07:37 PM
. imagine how all the other GED educated, mullet wearing, D100 driving inbreds who voted for Trump would be treated in his presence.

This type of shit is why you LOST ......And all but the most self-loathing, brain-damaged Whites have already left the Democratic Party in Droves



. Another thing that needs to be clarified: "one-percenter" doesn't refer to net worth.

Of course not.

Because that would target the '.001%' (who are actually killing America with their support for open borders/offshore manufacturing and Banking) and only pay themselves a miniscule 'income' for tax purposes.

And they mostly vote "Progressive" Democrat.

There are over a Million Hard-working Americans in the 1%. Engineers, Doctors, Lawyers, Small business owners, investors, savers etc But, demonizing them as "the 1%" sounds more catchy.


I'm sure ANY one-percenter would gladly shit on WJ5 the same way Trump would


Trump got Glass-Steagall put back into the Republican Platform.

He's met with industry/and union bosses, to try to find common ground and ways to bring back jobs.

Sanders is a sell-out phony bitch, who rails on against cronyism, then actively goes out & campaigns for the biggest crook of them all, after she colluded with the DNC to screw him out of the nomination.

WILDJOKER5
02-14-2017, 07:51 PM
The problem is that WJ5 is over here shedding tears for the one percent, when they couldn't give two shits about him. I'm sure he'd be hauled away with a few bruises if he ever tried to get into one of Trump's soirees, while Trump himself would be pointing at WJ5 and laughing. And with WJ5, presumably among the middle class, likely to be treated this way... imagine how all the other GED educated, mullet wearing, D100 driving inbreds who voted for Trump would be treated in his presence.

I'm sure ANY one-percenter would gladly shit on WJ5 the same way Trump would.

As far as Democrat politicians being a part of the 1%, if it's because they hold political office, I'm not too worried about that.

Why? Because if you pay them some working class salary, it would kill the perceived (and ulimately real) prestige of their office.

Another thing that needs to be clarified: "one-percenter" doesn't refer to net worth. It refers to annual income. Bernie Sanders has, or did have, a net worth of $400,000.

To put this into perspective, a military spouse whose husband dies while on active duty and has SGLI is going to be worth just as much as Bernie Sanders.

You show your ignorance. How is it that you go straight to comparing me trying to talk to Trump, but in the same post show that its COMBINED $400k, individually $250k, to be in the 1%? Do you think Trump is any where near $400k a year?

So, if a politicians reasoning to make 1% money is to show they have power, why cant the CEO's? What about sports stars or actresses or musicians? What "power" do they need to lord over people? I shed no tears for anyone, rich or poor, cause they have the exact same opportunities to be comfortable and live off what they can make.

garhkal
02-15-2017, 03:35 AM
Herein lies the problem, though. Someone with a net worth of $400k can't relate to me on a level any different than someone with a $50 million net worth. It's completely different lifestyles and no matter how relatable they think they are it's just not true.

edit: Looking into it more (cuz I'd never really paid attention) that $400k is misleading. A lot of stuff is in his wife's name. Also, between his senate salary and his pension he's making over $200,000 a year. I can't relate to someone making that much any more than I can to someone making millions.

It can also depend on HOW he's getting that income. If its say via stocks, bonds, investments etc, Or whether its coming from hard work and the dividends his company gets..

Mjölnir
02-15-2017, 09:40 AM
Herein lies the problem, though. Someone with a net worth of $400k can't relate to me on a level any different than someone with a $50 million net worth. It's completely different lifestyles and no matter how relatable they think they are it's just not true.

edit: Looking into it more (cuz I'd never really paid attention) that $400k is misleading. A lot of stuff is in his wife's name. Also, between his senate salary and his pension he's making over $200,000 a year. I can't relate to someone making that much any more than I can to someone making millions.

You probably could depending on where they live, $200k in NYC has about the same standard of living as someone making $70k in Shreveport LA.

We all can relate more than you think if we want. Most people are motivated by similar motives: happiness, comfort, friends & family etc. Some people try harder to find what makes us different than what makes us alike; it just depends on how you want to focus.


It can also depend on HOW he's getting that income. If its say via stocks, bonds, investments etc, Or whether its coming from hard work and the dividends his company gets..

What about the person who through hard work got the money to by stocks, bonds or invest?

Mjölnir
02-15-2017, 09:40 AM
Herein lies the problem, though. Someone with a net worth of $400k can't relate to me on a level any different than someone with a $50 million net worth. It's completely different lifestyles and no matter how relatable they think they are it's just not true.

edit: Looking into it more (cuz I'd never really paid attention) that $400k is misleading. A lot of stuff is in his wife's name. Also, between his senate salary and his pension he's making over $200,000 a year. I can't relate to someone making that much any more than I can to someone making millions.

You probably could depending on where they live, $200k in NYC has about the same standard of living as someone making $70k in Shreveport LA.

We all can relate more than you think if we want. Most people are motivated by similar motives: happiness, comfort, friends & family etc. Some people try harder to find what makes us different than what makes us alike; it just depends on how you want to focus.


It can also depend on HOW he's getting that income. If its say via stocks, bonds, investments etc, Or whether its coming from hard work and the dividends his company gets..

What about the person who through hard work got the money to by stocks, bonds or invest?

WILDJOKER5
02-15-2017, 11:50 AM
You probably could depending on where they live, $200k in NYC has about the same standard of living as someone making $70k in Shreveport LA.

We all can relate more than you think if we want. Most people are motivated by similar motives: happiness, comfort, friends & family etc. Some people try harder to find what makes us different than what makes us alike; it just depends on how you want to focus.


Yeah, combined my wife and I made 6 figures, and we are loving it while we live in the south where the taxes are low and cost of living is cheap.

sandsjames
02-15-2017, 12:32 PM
You probably could depending on where they live, $200k in NYC has about the same standard of living as someone making $70k in Shreveport LA.

We all can relate more than you think if we want. Most people are motivated by similar motives: happiness, comfort, friends & family etc. Some people try harder to find what makes us different than what makes us alike; it just depends on how you want to focus.



Of course there are different regions, but I'm talking about areas where normal is $35k to $40k..(which you can no longer relate to, I'm sure, just as I can't relate to living on E3 salary with a dependent even though, at one time, I did it just fine).

The main point is that people have bought in to the Democrats being "relatable" when the majority of them are multi-millionaires.

Even with Bernie, one of the lower net worth known politicians, he's got two houses and makes as much in a year as I do in 5. I can't begin to comprehend what that kind of money would be like. And someone near the poverty level can't comprehend what it's like to have what I earn, so to expect someone in the lower class/poverty to be able to relate the money Bernie has/earns is a joke, and to think Bernie can relate to those in poverty (or relate to lower class/poverty level urban black families) is far beyond a joke...but everyone seems fooled by it, especially the black community.

Rainmaker
02-15-2017, 02:07 PM
yeah, combined my wife and i made 6 figures, and we are loving it while we live in the south where the taxes are low and cost of living is cheap.

DIE YANKEE PiG DOG CAPITALIST!!!!

sandsjames
02-15-2017, 03:03 PM
Just to clarify, I don't begrudge anyone for making millions, or even billions, of dollars. I don't think they owe me anything. Just stating that they can't relate to the working/middle class.

Rainmaker
02-15-2017, 03:30 PM
Just to clarify, I don't begrudge anyone for making millions, or even billions, of dollars. I don't think they owe me anything. Just stating that they can't relate to the working/middle class.

Don't understand that thought process.

My annual income is over $400K and my net-worth is over $1.5 million.

But, I can still relate to eating 1 peanut butter sandwich a day for a week and scrounging around the couch cushions, looking for loose change, to get enough gas to make it to work (till I got my next pay-check).

Rainmaker
02-15-2017, 03:41 PM
Don't care anymore, even a little bit.

I liken it to a new coach taking over a team that's gone 0-10 for the last 2 seasons...... You have to give the coach 3 years to get his own players in and establish the new system. Before you can accurately assess the results.



do think his followers celebrate his every word as if he was.

That's because you've allowed yourself to be programed into believing that.


I'm not calling for his impeachment.

Seems like you're cheerleading it.


I'm just saying that he's gonna do something that leads to it. Tic-Toc.

What's the current standard for impeachment?

Using the IRS to suppress conservative groups? Illegally arming drug Cartels and being held in Contempt of Congress? Deliberately creating a Humanitarian Crisis on the Border ? Training and Equipping Islamic Terrorists to overthrow sovereign governments? Having your DNI lying under oath before Congress and in-front of the World ? Knowingly allowing your Secretary of State to take kickbacks and Influence pedal with Foreign Governments and then Lie to the FBI about it? Etc. etc.

What would you see a President having to do to get impeached in this Country?

sandsjames
02-15-2017, 03:42 PM
Don't understand that thought process.

My annual income is over $400K and my net-worth is over $1.5 million.

But, I can still relate to eating 1 peanut butter sandwich a day for a week and scrounging around the couch cushions, looking for loose change, to get enough gas to make it to work (till I got my next pay-check).

My wife's best friend is very wealthy. Her and her husband built a company from the ground up over the last 30 years or so and are multimillionaires. We get along with her really well, she's still my wife's best friend, and we have a lot of fun when we're together.

However, it's nothing to her to go out for a meal that ends up running $400 to $500, and occasionally she'll ask us to go. Of course some fancy restaurant like that isn't something we can afford to do but to her it's a common occurrence. The fact that she still asks shows that she doesn't fully relate, nor fully remember, what it was like before they built their company.

Now, I don't begrudge her for it, I don't think any less of them for it, and we really enjoy our time together. But I still don't think she is able to fully understand what it's like to live paycheck to paycheck anymore or to understand why I do my own plumbing work that takes 2 months to finish when she just calls somebody, etc. I'm not saying it's a negative or a positive, it's just the way it is.

Mjölnir
02-15-2017, 03:50 PM
Of course there are different regions, but I'm talking about areas where normal is $35k to $40k..(which you can no longer relate to, I'm sure, just as I can't relate to living on E3 salary with a dependent even though, at one time, I did it just fine).

I can relate, My family had very little when I was younger, I was also an E1, E2 etc. So I can (somewhat) relate, I do make more money now, have more disposable income etc.


The main point is that people have bought in to the Democrats being "relatable" when the majority of them are multi-millionaires.

You needn't single this down to Democrats. Most ... most politicians have a net worth considerably above that of their constituents. Even those who on paper are 'cash poor' have significant assets (go back to when Sen. Rubio was elected to the Senate ... spent considerable amounts of his savings on his own election ... in it to win it I guess).


Even with Bernie, one of the lower net worth known politicians, he's got two houses and makes as much in a year as I do in 5. I can't begin to comprehend what that kind of money would be like. And someone near the poverty level can't comprehend what it's like to have what I earn, so to expect someone in the lower class/poverty to be able to relate the money Bernie has/earns is a joke, and to think Bernie can relate to those in poverty (or relate to lower class/poverty level urban black families) is far beyond a joke...but everyone seems fooled by it, especially the black community.

Sen Sanders is far from one of the lower net worth members of Congress:

http://members-of-congress.insidegov.com/stories/9478/25-poorest-members-congress#Intro

Are people fooled into thinking he has a low net worth, or enamored by his promises to redistribute wealth, or a bit of both?

BT BT

I can't really imagine what it would be like to have a million dollars in my savings account either. But I can say that my wife and I are consistently surprised at the value of our retirement accounts, home appreciation etc. We don't live like what I think someone with our net worth would be. It is often said that the millionaire next door is a millionaire because they live like normal people ...


millionaires are disproportionately clustered in middle-class and blue collar neighborhoods and not in more affluent or white-collar communities, came as a surprise to the authors who anticipated the contrary. Stanley and Danko's book explains why, noting that high-income white-collar professions are more likely to devote their income to luxury goods or status items, thus neglecting savings and investments.

sandsjames
02-15-2017, 03:51 PM
What would you see a President having to do to get impeached in this Country? It's a pretty high standard, that's for sure, although Clinton didn't do much yet he was still impeached. Exactly what it would take I couldn't say. Collusion with Russia as it relates to the election? Forcing policies that have been ruled unconstitutional by SCOTUS. Whether he'd be removed from office, who knows, but there's no doubt in my mind that at some point impeachment will be pursued. It almost seems that Trump wants to see how far he can push things and, sooner or later, he'll cross the line.

sandsjames
02-15-2017, 03:59 PM
You needn't single this down to Democrats. Most ... most politicians have a net worth considerably above that of their constituents. Even those who on paper are 'cash poor' have significant assets (go back to when Sen. Rubio was elected to the Senate ... spent considerable amounts of his savings on his own election ... in it to win it I guess). I single out Democrats because most Republicans don't try to pretend that they "feel the struggle"...while Dems try to make everyone think they aren't part of the upper class.






I can't really imagine what it would be like to have a million dollars in my savings account either. But I can say that my wife and I are consistently surprised at the value of our retirement accounts, home appreciation etc. We don't live like what I think someone with our net worth would be. It is often said that the millionaire next door is a millionaire because they live like normal people ...

{quote]millionaires are disproportionately clustered in middle-class and blue collar neighborhoods and not in more affluent or white-collar communities, came as a surprise to the authors who anticipated the contrary. Stanley and Danko's book explains why, noting that high-income white-collar professions are more likely to devote their income to luxury goods or status items, thus neglecting savings and investments.Sure...ok...we can continue to pretend that rich politicians, the faces of their parties, are relating on a personal level to middle class/lower class voters all we want, and talk about our neighbors but I promise you, Cruz, Rubio, Clinton, Sanders, aren't going to find themselves living in my neighborhood (unless it's their second or third home) and they definitely aren't going to find themselves living in lower class neighborhoods. Trust me, you aren't gonna find Bernie sitting out on his front porch in the summer because the house is 95 degrees...

Rainmaker
02-15-2017, 04:18 PM
But mainly because they didn't have a candidate.

I think Webb had the potential to be a solid candidate. But, it's now a party made up of misfit toys. They're more interested in destroying the " white male patriarchy" (and our way of life) then actually representing the people.

You'd think Peak insanity has been reached. But, judging by their recent actions, they're actually getting worse.

Mjölnir
02-15-2017, 04:25 PM
I single out Democrats because most Republicans don't try to pretend that they "feel the struggle"...while Dems try to make everyone think they aren't part of the upper class.

I always wondered if this was why Bill Clinton wore a beat up Ironman so much.


Sure...ok...we can continue to pretend that rich politicians, the faces of their parties, are relating on a personal level to middle class/lower class voters all we want, and talk about our neighbors but I promise you, Cruz, Rubio, Clinton, Sanders, aren't going to find themselves living in my neighborhood (unless it's their second or third home) and they definitely aren't going to find themselves living in lower class neighborhoods. Trust me, you aren't gonna find Bernie sitting out on his front porch in the summer because the house is 95 degrees...

I think you are right for the most part. Even those who grew up lower income or middle class and moved up the economic ladder likely can relate, but are going to live according (or beyond) their means.

Mjölnir
02-15-2017, 04:31 PM
I think Webb had the potential to be a solid candidate. But, it's now a party made up of misfit toys (they're more interested in destroying the " white male patriarchy" and our way of life, then actually representing the constituency).

You'd think Peak insanity has been reached.

But, judging by their recent actions, they're actually getting worse.

Jim Webb is a solid man, probably was running for President for the right reasons.

He recently blasted the Democrats for identity politics, political aristocracy (in both parties) that led to the appeal of President Trump, and doing too much to appeal to fringe groups and not the working class base.


“The Democrats, first of all, they’re looking at 2018 and they don’t have a message beyond saying no to President Trump …there’s a campaign going on, on the Hill, in the media, in academia…not only to personally discredit Donald Trump but the people who are around him,” Webb said. “The Democratic party over the past five or six years has moved very far to the left…when you can’t have a Jefferson-Jackson dinner, which was the primary celebratory event of the Democratic party for years, because Jefferson and Jackson were slave holders — they were also great Americans in their day — something different has happened to the Democratic Party.”

Rainmaker
02-15-2017, 05:30 PM
Jim Webb is a solid man, probably was running for President for the right reasons.

We are all "good guys".

garhkal
02-15-2017, 06:47 PM
You probably could depending on where they live, $200k in NYC has about the same standard of living as someone making $70k in Shreveport LA.


Very true. I live in a 3 bed 2 bath house i bought for 98k. In certain locales, that would BARELY be enough for a 400sqft studio, if that.




What about the person who through hard work got the money to by stocks, bonds or invest?

Then i begrudge him not..


Using the IRS to suppress conservative groups? Illegally arming drug Cartels and being held in Contempt of Congress? Deliberately creating a Humanitarian Crisis on the Border ? Training and Equipping Islamic Terrorists to overthrow sovereign governments? Having your DNI lying under oath before Congress and in-front of the World ? Knowingly allowing your Secretary of State to take kickbacks and Influence pedal with Foreign Governments and then Lie to the FBI about it? Etc. etc.

What would you see a President having to do to get impeached in this Country?

That's stuff i keep arguing the point with over on gateworld when several folks there say Trump needs to be impeached cause of his not divesting himself from his businesses and such..
WHAT exactly DO they see a president needing to do to get impeached, and if what then did obama have to do to get impeached... THey can't ever answer that for Obama, but say all of what trump's done in his 30 days in, is more than worthy of havng HIM impeached..
Talk about hypocritical double standards..


I single out Democrats because most Republicans don't try to pretend that they "feel the struggle"...while Dems try to make everyone think they aren't part of the upper class.

Especially when its dems often doing the Luncheons and paid speeches with Big banks..