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Rainmaker
02-07-2017, 03:27 PM
Otherwise, we'd just get RM posting racist shit all the time with Garkhal hanging on his coat tails and WJ playing the alt-right supporter to the definition of the term

First , For you to insult me, I must value your opinion.

Second, Stop dragging me into your hissy fits. FYI, RM received the same Private message warning (on the same topic) that you likely did. & Like you. Rainmaker felt the post was also misconstrued. But, The man asked us to stop.

So, Let it go and let's move on. It's over.

See? The main problem with these non-verbal discussions, is human nature is such, that people tend to fill in the blanks (what they don't know) with the worst.


Maybe I should just start talking about Jewfagqueerblacks...and I'd be good to go...

As for the rest of your drivel. You need to understand that Rusty Jones is a Marxist & Labeling anyone who doesn't agree (with his goal establishing a society of emotionally weak, Self-loathing, permanent dependents) as a 'racist' or an 'uncle Tom' is part of the plan.

Prior to coming to America, The Marxist Frankfurt school recommended:

-the creation of racism offences
-continual change to create confusion
-the teaching of sex and homosexuality to children
- the undermining of schools and teachers' authority
- huge immigration to destroy national identity
-the promotion of excessive drinking and drug use
-emptying the Christian churches
-an unreliable legal system with the bias against the victim of crime
-dependency on the state or state benefits
-total control and dumbing down of media

Now, If you read the list above, you can see these trends reflected in virtually ALL of his posts. ....

There can be no reasoned discussion, that contributes to a conversation, in a meaningful way......with someone who operates from his premise (that all whites are inherently 'racist' and all minorities are incapable of being 'racist')

So, Rainmaker long ago stopped trying and decided to concentrate his efforts on just triggering the snowflakes.


Rusty knows this, and Rainmaker knows this. Which, is why he'll immediately try to deflect the discussion on to 'guilt-tripping' the other forum members, whenever Rainmaker exposes the obvious double standards.

garhkal
02-07-2017, 07:12 PM
Prior to coming to America, The Marxist Frankfurt school recommended:

-the creation of racism offences
-continual change to create confusion
-the teaching of sex and homosexuality to children
- the undermining of schools and teachers' authority
- huge immigration to destroy national identity
-the promotion of excessive drinking and drug use
-emptying the Christian churches
-an unreliable legal system with the bias against the victim of crime
-dependency on the state or state benefits
-total control and dumbing down of media


Damn near all of those are going on. And its the libs fault. WHICH is why many of us feel that libs are commies in disguise.

sandsjames
02-07-2017, 07:41 PM
Damn near all of those are going on. And its the libs fault. WHICH is why many of us feel that libs are commies in disguise.

Let's get both sides here. Here are some traits for you to ponder:

Powerful Nationalism
Disdain for recognition of human rights
Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause
Supremacy of the military
Obsession with National Security
Religion/Government intertwined
Corporate power protected
Obsession with crime and punishment
Rampant cronyism

Any idea which form of politics/political party this describes? You guessed it...that fascism...though it closely resembles the current administration...

See, both sides can play this silly little game.

Rainmaker
02-07-2017, 09:58 PM
Let's get both sides here. Here are some traits for you to ponder:

Powerful Nationalism
Disdain for recognition of human rights
Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause
Supremacy of the military
Obsession with National Security
Religion/Government intertwined
Corporate power protected
Obsession with crime and punishment
Rampant cronyism

Any idea which form of politics/political party this describes? You guessed it...that fascism...though it closely resembles the current administration...

See, both sides can play this silly little game.

Way to get right back to the virtue signaling Snowflake.

The only problem is that what they're actually proposing is much closer to FDR than Hitler.

It's a reaction TO the rampant cronyism.

sandsjames
02-07-2017, 10:30 PM
Way to get right back to the virtue signaling Snowflake.

The only problem is that what they're actually proposing is much closer to FDR than Hitler.

It's a reaction TO the rampant cronyism.

Ahhh, yes, of course. Liberals evil, Conservatives good.

garhkal
02-08-2017, 03:37 AM
Let's get both sides here. Here are some traits for you to ponder:

Powerful Nationalism

Nationalism in and of itself is not a bad thing though.


Disdain for recognition of human rights

Like what. Other than not wanting gays to get married, where is the disdain for human rights you are on about from the right?


Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause

Shouldn't we ID the enemy? If we can't even identify them or call them out on it, how then are we supposed to defeat it?


Supremacy of the military

I agree on this part.


Obsession with National Security

Where the left doesn't seem to care about national security/soverignty.. If its those 2 options, i choose security thanks.


Religion/Government intertwined

In what manner?


Corporate power protected

Agreed. Too much power is being protected on the corporate side..


Obsession with crime and punishment

Guilty as charged. If you break the law, you should be punished.. Otherwise what is the POINT in having the law, if we let people pick and choose what will and will not get followed?


Rampant cronyism

Agreed. WE have too much cronyism going on, especially with established families in politics (bushes, clintons, kennedys)..

Mjölnir
02-08-2017, 09:18 AM
Transfer from other thread

sandsjames
02-08-2017, 11:04 AM
Nationalism in and of itself is not a bad thing though.



Like what. Other than not wanting gays to get married, where is the disdain for human rights you are on about from the right?



Shouldn't we ID the enemy? If we can't even identify them or call them out on it, how then are we supposed to defeat it?



I agree on this part.



Where the left doesn't seem to care about national security/soverignty.. If its those 2 options, i choose security thanks.



In what manner?



Agreed. Too much power is being protected on the corporate side..



Guilty as charged. If you break the law, you should be punished.. Otherwise what is the POINT in having the law, if we let people pick and choose what will and will not get followed?



Agreed. WE have too much cronyism going on, especially with established families in politics (bushes, clintons, kennedys)..

So you agree, then, that it's fascism, right? Or, you understand that the list that RM posted relating liberals to Marxists is as ridiculous as this list relating conservatives to Nazis.

Rainmaker
02-08-2017, 01:13 PM
you understand that the list that RM posted relating liberals to Marxists is as ridiculous as this list relating conservatives to Nazis.

Rainmaker didn't relate liberals to Marxists. He related Rusty Jones to Marxism.

YOU are the one who brought Liberal Vs. Conservative into the discussion.


Virtually ALL of his posts have Marxist undertones (if not outright propaganda) from that list.

For Pete's sakes, dude's avatars is socialist power fist. It's not a stretch to conclude that he's a radical marxist. & whenever he gets called on it, he immediately defaults to whining about 'racists'.

sandsjames
02-08-2017, 01:17 PM
Rainmaker didn't relate liberals to Marxists. He related Rusty Jones to Marxism. YOU are the one who brought Liberal Vs. Conservative into the discussion. Actually, no I didn't. Have a look back. It was your boy Garkhal who brought that up.



Virtually ALL of his posts have Marxist undertones (if not outright propaganda) from that list.

For Pete's sakes, dude's avatars is socialist power fist. He's an obvious radical marxistAs most of Trump's (hail) undertones, and overtones, as well as yours, come straight from the list for fascism. It means nothing for either of you. You go to the extreme to make your point just as Rusty goes to the extreme to make his. We both know that neither of you are really THAT extreme.

WILDJOKER5
02-08-2017, 02:47 PM
Let's get both sides here. Here are some traits for you to ponder:

Powerful NationalismOk, whats wrong with that? Why is it bad to want American nationalism when there are all sorts of racial nationalism. Whats the difference in the pride for your country and the pride for your city, state, highschool, or race?

Disdain for recognition of human rightsWhat is and what isn't a "human right" is where the disdain comes from. You have a right to defend yourself and free speech, you don't have a right to kill another human because you claim it is a "clump of cells" or that you deserve someone to provide you with a service.

Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying causeEveryone does that.

Supremacy of the militaryExplain this one. Did the Indians have a superior military, and what happened to them? Its good to have a strong military, they can allow the civilians to live in peace.

Obsession with National SecurityOh know, not wanting to feel safe in ones own country.

Religion/Government intertwinedShow me one person who doesn't let their religion (even atheist) guide them in their decision making for laws. If we had more people believe in libertarianism, you would see a lot more freedoms FROM government.

Corporate power protectedThat comes from things like Obamacare which has stifled growth of small businesses who cant afford to hire more than 49 people because the insurance would bankrupt them.

Obsession with crime and punishmentYeah, lets let criminals get away with anything, its not their fault right?

Rampant cronyismAgain, that is both sides and more laws that only hurt the little guys.


Any idea which form of politics/political party this describes? You guessed it...that fascism...though it closely resembles the current administration...Or even Obama's administration.


See, both sides can play this silly little game.Well, you cant really pin point every single point to Trump. Some, yes, but not all of them.

Rainmaker
02-08-2017, 02:48 PM
Actually, no I didn't. Have a look back.

Ok.


Ahhh, yes, of course. Liberals evil, Conservatives good.

What did I miss?


As most of Trump's (hail) undertones, and overtones, as well as yours, come straight from the list for fascism.

You say your playing devil's advocate. But, you've been overtly signaling for years now, that you've been indoctrinated into accepting all this "white privilege" BS.

Securing the border, Enforcing immigration law and refusing to take un-vetted refugees in from failed terrorist states, (that cost over $250,000 per household just to settle ) hardly equates to the holocaust.

You really need to take the blinders off (unplug the TV) and recognize that the MSM 's been desperately trying to set-up the next army of white guilt warriors, to serve the interests of their globalist masters.

You'll drag President Trump, into virtually every conversation here, and then assert that all the rest of us are just dumb brainwashed followers into some cult of personality.

You talk about cronyism and corporate power being protected by the state...... But, when you actually take and objective look at the reality of the situation, the Democrat party is corruption on steroids and the greatest wealth inequality exists in the all the locations with the most 'progressive' governments.

sandsjames
02-08-2017, 02:53 PM
Well, you cant really pin point every single point to Trump. Some, yes, but not all of them.My point exactly. Same thing for the Marxist list posted by RM. A lot of things fit, but not all...that's what separates extremism from democracy/democratic republic.

WILDJOKER5
02-08-2017, 02:54 PM
So you agree, then, that it's fascism, right? Or, you understand that the list that RM posted relating liberals to Marxists is as ridiculous as this list relating conservatives to Nazis.
Nazis were socialist. You haven't shown one way Trump is a fascist. Nationalism is not fascist. Cronyism can be shown by anyone who wants big government. Cronyism needs to be established before you can grow your government so you will have support. Like when Obama gave billions to unions and failing green energy businesses like solyndra.

Republican conservatism is not the same as democrat conservatism was. They have different values and traditions they want to conserve. Just like liberalism today is not the same as the starting definition of liberalism.

WILDJOKER5
02-08-2017, 02:58 PM
My point exactly. Same thing for the Marxist list posted by RM. A lot of things fit, but not all...that's what separates extremism from democracy/democratic republic.

He was pointing to Rusty, not the dems.

sandsjames
02-08-2017, 03:04 PM
You say your playing devil's advocate. But, you've been overtly signaling for years now, that you've been indoctrinated into accepting all this "white privilege" BS. Overtly signaling? WTF does that even mean. I'm definitely opposed to the idea of white privilege being an excuse for minorities to complain about not getting a fair shake.


Securing the border, Enforcing immigration law and refusing to take un-vetted refugees in from failed terrorist states, (that cost over $250,000 per household just to settle ) hardly equates to the holocaust. No disagreement here.


You really need to take the blinders off (unplug the TV) and recognize that the MSM 's been desperately trying to set-up the next army of white guilt warriors, to serve the interests of their globalist masters. And you should take the blinders off (unplug the Ethernet cable) and recognize that everyone isn't out to eradicate whitey.


You'll drag President Trump, into virtually every conversation here, and then assert that all the rest of us are just dumb brainwashed followers into some cult of personality. We're in a thread about politics and he's the President so is it surprising that his name comes up a lot?

You aren't followers of a cult of personality, but most of his supporters have somehow equated him becoming President as a license to cross borders of common decency.


You talk about cronyism and corporate power being protected by the state...... But, when you actually take and objective look at the reality of the situation, the Democrat party is corruption on steroids and the greatest wealth inequality exists in the all the locations with the most 'progressive' governments.I don't talk about cronyism...I quoted someone else. I'm pretty sure I've never mentioned cronyism before listing it as a characteristic of fascism.

Wealth inequality doesn't bother me...we're a 6 class economy...poor, low income, working class, middle class, rich, and wealthy. Libs like to lump the bottom 5 classes together as the other 99% but that's crap. Our economy works pretty good how it is. There's no doubt in my mind that the most liberal forms of governments only have 2 to 3 income classes. However, our liberal government is a far cry from the extremes, just as our conservative government (even the "alt right") is a far cry from fascism.

To compare us to them is as bad as Comrade Trump making comments about us being no better than Russia. You remember what the response was to Obama making comments about our exceptionalism? I'd expect the same response for Trump if I didn't know well enough to realize that supporters of one side will ALWAYS find a way to justify why it's "different" in this case.

WILDJOKER5
02-08-2017, 03:04 PM
My point exactly. Same thing for the Marxist list posted by RM. A lot of things fit, but not all...that's what separates extremism from democracy/democratic republic.

He was pointing to Rusty, not the dems.

sandsjames
02-08-2017, 03:09 PM
He was pointing to Rusty, not the dems.And Rusty does not fit all things on the list. Do you guys not realize that his response is simply reactionary? That's what our country is. Every time something happens it pushes the other side further away. Obama becomes President so it creates the Tea Party, which is a little more right wing than the Republicans...the Tea Party brings on the rise of Bernie Sanders style socialism being widely accepted...and that brings on Trump, the leader of the "alt right" which is pretty much his own party which is even further right than the Tea Party. That doesn't leave much more for the left than to move towards Communism...then the right towards Fascism. It's happening in front of our eyes because nobody is willing to move towards the center for fear they will lose votes.

WILDJOKER5
02-08-2017, 03:13 PM
Otherwise, we'd just get RM posting racist shit all the time with Garkhal hanging on his coat tails and WJ playing the alt-right supporter to the definition of the termSo, since I was mentioned, just would like to know how I am an "alt-right" supporter to the definition of the term? Is there a definition? "Alt-right" usually means someone who doesn't go along with the establishment, and its true that I don't like the current GOP power structure, I don't see where that puts me? Pretty sure that the "alt-right" you are referencing don't align with my view points on social issues. But its a nice catch buzz phrase that really means "white supremacist/neo-Nazi" with zero backing to it at all. Like how the leader of the "alt-right/Nazis" is a Jewish gay gauy who loves black men, (Milo Y).

Mjölnir
02-08-2017, 03:19 PM
Any political ideology if taken to the extreme will get an -ism label.

Looking at current political trains of thought and things listed above:

Liberal:
-the creation of racism offences
**cornerstone of current DNC platform / strategy
-continual change to create confusion
**I think they are more trying to make progress, at least progress as they see it
-the teaching of sex and homosexuality to children
**normalizing what used to be the venue of parents
-the undermining of schools and teachers' authority
**don't know if I would say "undermining" but definitely looking to strengthen the schools authority over youth. I have at some times been disappointed that public education on some issues is becoming a group think / indoctrination atmosphere.
-huge immigration to destroy national identity
**cornerstone of current DNC platform strategy
-the promotion of excessive drinking and drug use
**would disagree this is promoted
-emptying the Christian churches
**I would not go as far to say liberals are anti-religion, but being anti religion is certainly encouraged.
-an unreliable legal system with the bias against the victim of crime
**would argue this is dependent on who the victim is.
-dependency on the state or state benefits
**Cornerstone of DNC strategy at least as far back as FDR.
-total control and dumbing down of media
**The media definitely exhibits a liberal bias.


Conservative:
-Powerful Nationalism
**Runs counter to the dissolution of national pride.
-Disdain for recognition of human rights
**would disagree. There is an effort to enforce human rights by conservatives.
-Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause
**also done by liberals, just who the enemies / scapegoats are is fluid for both.
-Supremacy of the military
**I don't know about supremacy, but conservatives definitely favor a strong military (attached to a desire for a strong national identity)
-Obsession with National Security
**Agree
-Religion/Government intertwined
**don't know about intertwined, but do not look to throw religion out. The freedom of religion does not equate to the removal of religion. As much as we talk about the separation of church and state, that phrase does not exist in the Constitution, was referenced by Thomas Jefferson in personal letters and eventually codified by the Supreme Court. This is arguably the biggest example of judicial activism in our history. The founders did not intend the United States to be a religious country, but not wholly secular either.
-Corporate power protected
**not unique to conservatives
-Obsession with crime and punishment
**creates a cottage industry in law enforcement
-Rampant cronyism
**not unique to conservatives

WILDJOKER5
02-08-2017, 03:25 PM
And Rusty does not fit all things on the list. Do you guys not realize that his response is simply reactionary? That's what our country is. Every time something happens it pushes the other side further away. Obama becomes President so it creates the Tea Party, which is a little more right wing than the Republicans...the Tea Party brings on the rise of Bernie Sanders style socialism being widely accepted...and that brings on Trump, the leader of the "alt right" which is pretty much his own party which is even further right than the Tea Party. That doesn't leave much more for the left than to move towards Communism...then the right towards Fascism. It's happening in front of our eyes because nobody is willing to move towards the center for fear they will lose votes.
Ok, lets go through them.


Prior to coming to America, The Marxist Frankfurt school recommended:

-the creation of racism offencesYep, Rusty thinks its all based on racism.

-continual change to create confusionIts the best thing for liberalism, now they are trying to change the definition of racism. Rusty has expressed that he cant be racist cause blacks don't hold any political power.

-the teaching of sex and homosexuality to childrenRusty doesn't like schools of choice and wants what the government teaches.

- the undermining of schools and teachers' authorityIts not black kids fault for misbehaving, they are just suspended more because of racism.

- huge immigration to destroy national identityFollows how Obama has treated illegals for the past 8 years. Never once heard rusty disagree.

-the promotion of excessive drinking and drug useDon't know about this one and Rusty.

-emptying the Christian churchesYep, Rusty hates him some Christians.

-an unreliable legal system with the bias against the victim of crimeRusty hates when a black guy with a gun is killed while threatening police officers.

-dependency on the state or state benefitsDefinitely doesn't like the idea to reform welfare.

-total control and dumbing down of mediaHe loves some MSNBC.

sandsjames
02-08-2017, 03:34 PM
Any political ideology if taken to the extreme will get an -ism label.

Looking at current political trains of thought and things listed above:

Liberal:
-the creation of racism offences
**cornerstone of current DNC platform / strategy
-continual change to create confusion
**I think they are more trying to make progress, at least progress as they see it
-the teaching of sex and homosexuality to children
**normalizing what used to be the venue of parents
-the undermining of schools and teachers' authority
**don't know if I would say "undermining" but definitely looking to strengthen the schools authority over youth. I have at some times been disappointed that public education on some issues is becoming a group think / indoctrination atmosphere.
-huge immigration to destroy national identity
**cornerstone of current DNC platform strategy
-the promotion of excessive drinking and drug use
**would disagree this is promoted
-emptying the Christian churches
**I would not go as far to say liberals are anti-religion, but being anti religion is certainly encouraged.
-an unreliable legal system with the bias against the victim of crime
**would argue this is dependent on who the victim is.
-dependency on the state or state benefits
**Cornerstone of DNC strategy at least as far back as FDR.
-total control and dumbing down of media
**The media definitely exhibits a liberal bias.


Conservative:
-Powerful Nationalism
**Runs counter to the dissolution of national pride.
-Disdain for recognition of human rights
**would disagree. There is an effort to enforce human rights by conservatives.
-Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause
**also done by liberals, just who the enemies / scapegoats are is fluid for both.
-Supremacy of the military
**I don't know about supremacy, but conservatives definitely favor a strong military (attached to a desire for a strong national identity)
-Obsession with National Security
**Agree
-Religion/Government intertwined
**don't know about intertwined, but do not look to throw religion out. The freedom of religion does not equate to the removal of religion. As much as we talk about the separation of church and state, that phrase does not exist in the Constitution, was referenced by Thomas Jefferson in personal letters and eventually codified by the Supreme Court. This is arguably the biggest example of judicial activism in our history. The founders did not intend the United States to be a religious country, but not wholly secular either.
-Corporate power protected
**not unique to conservatives
-Obsession with crime and punishment
**creates a cottage industry in law enforcement
-Rampant cronyism
**not unique to conservatives

It's just as simple to show examples that would counter almost all of your points, if one were so inclined. The most obvious being the corporate protection. Go ask the public who shows more support for big business and I'd put money on the answer being, overwhelmingly, the Republicans. Also, I don't think that the foundation of the DNC since FDR is dependency on the state...I think they honestly believe that the state aid will help get people away from that dependency (though they are misguided).

On the other hand, I think that the liberals try hard to remove the schools authority over youth...removal of corporal punishment, pledge of allegiance, trying to get rid of testing so the kids don't feel pressure, etc.

Mjölnir
02-08-2017, 04:01 PM
It's just as simple to show examples that would counter almost all of your points, if one were so inclined. The most obvious being the corporate protection. Go ask the public who shows more support for big business and I'd put money on the answer being, overwhelmingly, the Republicans. Also, I don't think that the foundation of the DNC since FDR is dependency on the state...I think they honestly believe that the state aid will help get people away from that dependency (though they are misguided).

On the other hand, I think that the liberals try hard to remove the schools authority over youth...removal of corporal punishment, pledge of allegiance, trying to get rid of testing so the kids don't feel pressure, etc.

From a certain point of view (Obi Wan) any point can be displayed on either side.

Corporate protection: ask rthe public who shows more support for corporations, yes ... the GOP. Follow the money trail ... it is pretty equal, the DNC just does not allude to it.

A particular strategy of the DNC since the 30's has been establishing a welfare class who would implode without the state. Yes, there are thoughts (in some ways mine) that the state can/should help people off the dependency but establishing reliance on aid has been a key part of their platform. There is actually audio of LBJ discussing this (specifically mentioning blacks).

IRT schools, I understand now more what you meant. In those aspects ... yes. Liberals though are not much in favor of dissolving the authority of the school (state), how they enforce the authority is more the question.

Mjölnir
02-08-2017, 04:03 PM
It's just as simple to show examples that would counter almost all of your points, if one were so inclined. The most obvious being the corporate protection. Go ask the public who shows more support for big business and I'd put money on the answer being, overwhelmingly, the Republicans. Also, I don't think that the foundation of the DNC since FDR is dependency on the state...I think they honestly believe that the state aid will help get people away from that dependency (though they are misguided).

On the other hand, I think that the liberals try hard to remove the schools authority over youth...removal of corporal punishment, pledge of allegiance, trying to get rid of testing so the kids don't feel pressure, etc.

From a certain point of view (Obi Wan) any point can be displayed on either side.

Corporate protection: ask rthe public who shows more support for corporations, yes ... the GOP. Follow the money trail ... it is pretty equal, the DNC just does not allude to it.

A particular strategy of the DNC since the 30's has been establishing a welfare class who would implode without the state. Yes, there are thoughts (in some ways mine) that the state can/should help people off the dependency but establishing reliance on aid has been a key part of their platform. There is actually audio of LBJ discussing this (specifically mentioning blacks).

IRT schools, I understand now more what you meant. In those aspects ... yes. Liberals though are not much in favor of dissolving the authority of the school (state), how they enforce the authority is more the question.

Rainmaker
02-08-2017, 04:43 PM
Trump is basically an Independent. He's allied with the GOP. But, He's not really a "conservative". Some of his positions are quite conservative. But, just as many are moderate or even quite liberal.

But, The Trump train has left the station and the Democratic party and the Neocon #NeverTrump Movement didn't make the trip.

They've been having a collective tantrum, ever since they realized they lost

This current brand of modern "liberalism" has nothing in common with the classic liberalism of the past (other than the name). It's become the epitome of everything it decries.

Associating 1/2 the country, that feels the government's let them down, the economy sucks (for most people), that nobody cares about what happens to their lives and their children's future, with a loose fringe group, that nobody's even heard of was a FATAL mistake.

Doubling down on the same old nasty Alinsky BS techniques and screaming racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic, alt-right, deplorable (add whatever label they try to give it) doesn't matter anymore.....

................because Whites can clearly SEE that the democratic party doesn't appreciate them and their contributions as a race........ and so the whole MSM fear-mongering narrative is just viewed as a dishonest conversation.

Bos Mutus
02-08-2017, 05:26 PM
Any political ideology if taken to the extreme will get an -ism label.

Looking at current political trains of thought and things listed above:

Liberal:
-the creation of racism offences
**cornerstone of current DNC platform / strategy
-continual change to create confusion
**I think they are more trying to make progress, at least progress as they see it
-the teaching of sex and homosexuality to children
**normalizing what used to be the venue of parents
-the undermining of schools and teachers' authority
**don't know if I would say "undermining" but definitely looking to strengthen the schools authority over youth. I have at some times been disappointed that public education on some issues is becoming a group think / indoctrination atmosphere.
-huge immigration to destroy national identity
**cornerstone of current DNC platform strategy
-the promotion of excessive drinking and drug use
**would disagree this is promoted
-emptying the Christian churches
**I would not go as far to say liberals are anti-religion, but being anti religion is certainly encouraged.
-an unreliable legal system with the bias against the victim of crime
**would argue this is dependent on who the victim is.
-dependency on the state or state benefits
**Cornerstone of DNC strategy at least as far back as FDR.
-total control and dumbing down of media
**The media definitely exhibits a liberal bias.


Conservative:
-Powerful Nationalism
**Runs counter to the dissolution of national pride.
-Disdain for recognition of human rights
**would disagree. There is an effort to enforce human rights by conservatives.
-Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause
**also done by liberals, just who the enemies / scapegoats are is fluid for both.
-Supremacy of the military
**I don't know about supremacy, but conservatives definitely favor a strong military (attached to a desire for a strong national identity)
-Obsession with National Security
**Agree
-Religion/Government intertwined
**don't know about intertwined, but do not look to throw religion out. The freedom of religion does not equate to the removal of religion. As much as we talk about the separation of church and state, that phrase does not exist in the Constitution, was referenced by Thomas Jefferson in personal letters and eventually codified by the Supreme Court. This is arguably the biggest example of judicial activism in our history. The founders did not intend the United States to be a religious country, but not wholly secular either.
-Corporate power protected
**not unique to conservatives
-Obsession with crime and punishment
**creates a cottage industry in law enforcement
-Rampant cronyism
**not unique to conservatives

None of these lemmings will consider that the original premise was false. The so-called Frankfurt School never made this list. It is 'what this means' extrapolation from minor out of context quotes. These are not smart people relying on how it "makes them feel" about liberals. Dumb.

WILDJOKER5
02-08-2017, 05:30 PM
None of these lemmings will consider that the original premise was false. The so-called Frankfurt School never made this list. It is 'what this means' extrapolation from minor out of context quotes. These are not smart people relying on how it "makes them feel" about liberals. Dumb.

But do you deny that the original premise isn't happening today?

Bos Mutus
02-08-2017, 05:53 PM
But do you deny that the original premise isn't happening today?

His original premise is that Rusty is a Marxist.

He supports this premise by labeling the Frankfurt School as Marxist...which it did draw from some of Marx's ideas, but would more of neo-Marxist thought than what would typically be labeled Marxism today. MINO, if you will.

He then produces a popular internet-created, but mostly false and almost entirely twisted out of context, list that the so-called Frankfurt school apparently created to compare to Rusty's posts to prove that Rusty agrees with a fake list made from a mischaracterized school, that is not even a school,

So...which part of that premise is happening today?

sandsjames
02-08-2017, 05:59 PM
His original premise is that Rusty is a Marxist.

He supports this premise by labeling the Frankfurt School as Marxist...which it did draw from some of Marx's ideas, but would more of neo-Marxist thought than what would typically be labeled Marxism today. MINO, if you will.

He then produces a popular internet-created, but mostly false and almost entirely twisted out of context, list that the so-called Frankfurt school apparently created to compare to Rusty's posts to prove that Rusty agrees with a fake list made from a mischaracterized school, that is not even a school,

So...which part of that premise is happening today?

This was the point I was trying to make with my list, but you did it much better than I.

Rusty Jones
02-08-2017, 06:04 PM
So...which part of that premise is happening today?

Yes it is. I didn't even bother to go down that list, because I'm at work right now, and even if I wasn't... it would take up too much of my free time.

Rusty Jones
02-08-2017, 06:15 PM
There is one part that I want to address, and it's the homosexual part. It's the one that I'm shocked by the most, because anyone here who is observant knows that I'm really not all that liberal when it comes to homosexuality. I supposed that I'm only liberal "by default," only because I don't take the conservative stances on it.

By now, everyone should know this about my views.

-I don't support gay couples adopting children under the age of 13 (i.e., prior to a child knowing his or her sexual orientation)
-I don't support transsexuals using opposite sex facilities (restrooms, lock rooms, fitting rooms, etc) unless they're post-op.
-I don't believe in there even being a such thing as sex change in the first place, because of genetics. However, I'll use their preferred pronouns in their presence out of respect for them as a person.
-I believe that, under the penalty of rape, transsexuals should be required to disclose their birth sex to a partner prior to having sex.
-I'm what's called a "heteronormatist." In other words, I presume that all people are straight unless I learn otherwise. Furthermore, I believe that children should be raised under the presumption that they're going to be straight unless otherwise discovered after reaching adolescence.

Now, I DO believe that they should be allowed to marry each other and I DO believe that discrimination against them in the workplace or anywhere else should be illegal. That's about there my liberalism with that ends.

Bos Mutus
02-08-2017, 06:28 PM
This was the point I was trying to make with my list, but you did it much better than I.

212

another typical day on the MTF

WILDJOKER5
02-08-2017, 06:48 PM
So...which part of that premise is happening today?

All of it, but I don't think the drugs thing is new or a downfall of the country.

sandsjames
02-08-2017, 07:11 PM
So the perfect example of a Trump (hail) follower's inability to recognize the difference between political correctness and common decency. A friend at work posts a meme to my Facebook page showing a woman with a comment about bringing her husband a sandwich. The next picture shows the same woman with a black eye, with the comment being about it taking her too long or something. Personally, I found it funny and I make jokes to my wife about bringing me stuff "or else" all the time and she gets a good chuckle out of it. However, it's not something I find appropriate to have on my page because I don't know the backgrounds of a lot of my family and friends. The guy at work (a staunch Trump guy) doesn't understand why I would be worried about it offending someone and needed to "stop being so PC".

This is the mentality of every Trump (hail) follower I talk to. They feel they've won the big battle against PC and can say anything they want. It's really pathetic that otherwise intelligent people can be so stupid.

Bos Mutus
02-08-2017, 07:28 PM
All of it, but I don't think the drugs thing is new or a downfall of the country.

None of it is new...and none of it is the downfall of the country.

WILDJOKER5
02-08-2017, 07:33 PM
So the perfect example of a Trump (hail) follower's inability to recognize the difference between political correctness and common decency. A friend at work posts a meme to my Facebook page showing a woman with a comment about bringing her husband a sandwich. The next picture shows the same woman with a black eye, with the comment being about it taking her too long or something. Personally, I found it funny and I make jokes to my wife about bringing me stuff "or else" all the time and she gets a good chuckle out of it. However, it's not something I find appropriate to have on my page because I don't know the backgrounds of a lot of my family and friends. The guy at work (a staunch Trump guy) doesn't understand why I would be worried about it offending someone and needed to "stop being so PC".

This is the mentality of every Trump (hail) follower I talk to. They feel they've won the big battle against PC and can say anything they want. It's really pathetic that otherwise intelligent people can be so stupid.
They can SAY what they want, while Libs burn and punch and beat whom they want. I don't see the comparison here.

Just a thought, when was the last time you saw the GOP, republicans riot for political reasons? I am not talking about rioting cause of a sports game, but like what you are seeing from the snowflakes against trump? The TEA party? How about Clinton shutting down government?

sandsjames
02-08-2017, 07:37 PM
They can SAY what they want, while Libs burn and punch and beat whom they want. I don't see the comparison here.

Just a thought, when was the last time you saw the GOP, republicans riot for political reasons? I am not talking about rioting cause of a sports game, but like what you are seeing from the snowflakes against trump? The TEA party? How about Clinton shutting down government?

I guess I'm lost cuz I have no clue how this relates to what I posted.

garhkal
02-08-2017, 07:54 PM
So you agree, then, that it's fascism, right? Or, you understand that the list that RM posted relating liberals to Marxists is as ridiculous as this list relating conservatives to Nazis.

No, i agreed, that we have too much Croynism, and too many people put too much faith/supremacy in the military. That does NOT make it Factism. BUT the group seeming to do the most TOWARDS fascism that i see are the libs..


Ok, whats wrong with that? Why is it bad to want American nationalism when there are all sorts of racial nationalism. Whats the difference in the pride for your country and the pride for your city, state, highschool, or race?


And how can one claim to be a faithful citizen of one country, while flying the flag and such of another, OR while burning the country's flag you are a citizen of. That is also where a lot of people bring in the Nationalism and price into things..


What is and what isn't a "human right" is where the disdain comes from. You have a right to defend yourself and free speech, you don't have a right to kill another human because you claim it is a "clump of cells" or that you deserve someone to provide you with a service.


Very true.
Before we can discuss people's disdain for human rights, we need to firmly establish what is and is NOT a human right.
Such as is having access to internet one? IMO no, but there are those in Europe who Do feel it is.
Is sex with whom you want a human right? Again people disagree.
THEN you also get into the befuddle of some things are Rights via our constitution, some are not, but are "Recognized by the EU's human rights commission. So since THAT commission recognizes them as a Human right, should OUR constitution be forced to recognize them as a right and thus they fall under the 14th amendment etc??


Show me one person who doesn't let their religion (even atheist) guide them in their decision making for laws. If we had more people believe in libertarianism, you would see a lot more freedoms FROM government.


Plus a lot of those wo DO rail against religion in schools/government, etc, SEEM to only target one religion - CHRISTIANITY!. They never seem to go after other overt examples of a school or administration pushing this or that other religion (such as islam!!).. So why is it that there exists this 'separation of church and state', when one religon comes up but never when others are pushed. Such as that recent case where a player on a HS football team got injured, and several of the players asked the coach and fans to join IN with them, as they prayed for his swift recovery..
Yet the FFRA ranted and threatened to sue...
BUT a different school had a teacher REQUIRE students to fill out forms as part of an assignment, showing how 'good' islam is for females? AND where were the FFRA nuts? NO WHERE TO BE SEEN

Also if you LOOK At it, that whole "Freedom from religion" issue is only saying CONGRESS cannot establish a religion. NOTHING about a school honoring one, or a coach of a team honoring one..


So, since I was mentioned, just would like to know how I am an "alt-right" supporter to the definition of the term? Is there a definition? "Alt-right" usually means someone who doesn't go along with the establishment, and its true that I don't like the current GOP power structure, I don't see where that puts me? Pretty sure that the "alt-right" you are referencing don't align with my view points on social issues. But its a nice catch buzz phrase that really means "white supremacist/neo-Nazi" with zero backing to it at all. Like how the leader of the "alt-right/Nazis" is a Jewish gay gauy who loves black men, (Milo Y).

That's something i have not understood. WHERE does the whole "Alt - right" begin? What makes someone part of it vice being part of the general GOP pov?


Rusty has expressed that he cant be racist cause blacks don't hold any political power.

Even though they held the presidency for 8 years with a black in charge, have the Congressional black caucus, and dozens of black senators, mayors, governors etc..
Yet they 'don't hold any political power'??


From a certain point of view (Obi Wan) any point can be displayed on either side.

Corporate protection: ask rthe public who shows more support for corporations, yes ... the GOP. Follow the money trail ... it is pretty equal, the DNC just does not allude to it.


Especially when you consider how many times did many of the DNC make PAID for speeches to big banks and corporate groups..? Dozens? Hundreds?


Just a thought, when was the last time you saw the GOP, republicans riot for political reasons? I am not talking about rioting cause of a sports game, but like what you are seeing from the snowflakes against trump? The TEA party? How about Clinton shutting down government?

OR rioting and committing arson, to STOP someone on the left speaking on a campus..

WILDJOKER5
02-08-2017, 08:00 PM
I guess I'm lost cuz I have no clue how this relates to what I posted.

Do you really think that kind of meme is new? What about the kid that says "I date a woman that works at subway, so she has to make me a samich."

sandsjames
02-08-2017, 08:06 PM
Do you really think that kind of meme is new? What about the kid that says "I date a woman that works at subway, so she has to make me a samich."

Did I say it was new or that I thought it was new? My point was that someone thought that I was the being too PC for not wanting to show a meme about an abused woman with a black eye on my page simply because "It's ok now that Trump is President" to show/make jokes about that kind of stuff and to expect everyone else to feel the same.

Rainmaker
02-08-2017, 08:33 PM
None of it is new...

Agree. Godless communists have been at this for a 150+ years & the leftist agitators trying to turn society on its head (with the teachings of progressivism's Frankfurt school) is nothing new.

But, what is new is that they managed to use their foreign ideology to hijack the democratic party and transform it into a tool to destroy the lynchpins of the traditional institutions of our great Western European civilization.

But, the vermin jumped the shark when they got greedy & started denying objective reality (things like biological gender and race) & cramming it down the throat of Main-Steet USA, with the full force and effect of Obama's Hijacked government behind it.

The jig is up (whitey's woke) and now they don't know how to adapt, besides doubling down on the Full Retard , which only serves to further drive them toward their ultimate demise (in our country)