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garhkal
01-10-2017, 07:06 AM
I saw this, while going through the news from bbc.co.uk to see if there was anything on a potential new truck attack in italy..
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38561883

Apparently in Virginia, a black waitress at a restaurant was in tears after seeing a note scrawled on the receipt she got back from the customers saying "Great service, we don't tip black people"..

Most of the workers i know in food service, say they get THAT sort of attitude FROM blacks, not to black wait staff..
So who else here has heard of this???

Mjölnir
01-10-2017, 11:06 AM
I saw this, while going through the news from bbc.co.uk to see if there was anything on a potential new truck attack in italy..
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38561883

Apparently in Virginia, a black waitress at a restaurant was in tears after seeing a note scrawled on the receipt she got back from the customers saying "Great service, we don't tip black people"..

Most of the workers i know in food service, say they get THAT sort of attitude FROM blacks, not to black wait staff..
So who else here has heard of this???

I heard about it ... either on CNN or Fox ... not sure which.

Be careful that you don't abbreviate and say you were looking at BBC ... :)

efmbman
01-10-2017, 12:03 PM
Most of the workers i know in food service, say they get THAT sort of attitude FROM blacks, not to black wait staff..

Racism, prejudice, and bigotry are rarely a one-way street.

sandsjames
01-10-2017, 12:09 PM
Most of the workers i know in food service, say they get THAT sort of attitude FROM blacks, not to black wait staff..
So who else here has heard of this???

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. The only thing I'm getting for it is that you didn't realize that some white people don't like black people? Is that what you learned from this because, if so, you've got a little catching up to do.

sandsjames
01-10-2017, 12:11 PM
Be careful that you don't abbreviate and say you were looking at BBC ... :)Probably distinguishing between the TV channel and the website? I'd say cnn.com or foxnews.com or msnbc.com if I saw it on the website as opposed to just CNN, Fox News, or MSNBC.

Mjölnir
01-10-2017, 01:53 PM
Probably distinguishing between the TV channel and the website? I'd say cnn.com or foxnews.com or msnbc.com if I saw it on the website as opposed to just CNN, Fox News, or MSNBC.

It was a joke ... references a particular type of anatomy / porn that some folks are into ...

As far as news ... BBC is one of my faves ...

sandsjames
01-10-2017, 04:00 PM
It was a joke ... references a particular type of anatomy / porn that some folks are into ...

Gotcha...I've never heard of BBC in relation to porn so it didn't even begin to register.

Bos Mutus
01-10-2017, 04:04 PM
I saw this, while going through the news from bbc.co.uk to see if there was anything on a potential new truck attack in italy..
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38561883

Apparently in Virginia, a black waitress at a restaurant was in tears after seeing a note scrawled on the receipt she got back from the customers saying "Great service, we don't tip black people"..

Most of the workers i know in food service, say they get THAT sort of attitude FROM blacks, not to black wait staff..
So who else here has heard of this???

What is it with people feeling the need to write these little notes on receipts all the time? Cut it out.

Anyway...a good many of these turn out to be hoaxes, so, whatever...not really news anyway. Shocking Story...someone in VA doesn't tip black people.

Okay...not shocked that there is an asshole in Virginia, if this is even a true story. If it is someone's policy to not tip blacks...I can't imagine why they feel the need to advertise it to the person who just gave them great service...oh turnabout because maybe that person is in service industry as well and feels like blacks don't tip her?

Lastly, "in tears"? Harumpf.

Mjölnir
01-10-2017, 04:12 PM
Racism, prejudice, and bigotry are rarely a one-way street.

+1

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WILDJOKER5
01-10-2017, 05:07 PM
What is it with people feeling the need to write these little notes on receipts all the time? Cut it out.

Anyway...a good many of these turn out to be hoaxes, so, whatever...not really news anyway. Shocking Story...someone in VA doesn't tip black people.

Okay...not shocked that there is an asshole in Virginia, if this is even a true story. If it is someone's policy to not tip blacks...I can't imagine why they feel the need to advertise it to the person who just gave them great service...oh turnabout because maybe that person is in service industry as well and feels like blacks don't tip her?

Lastly, "in tears"? Harumpf.
Yeah, I would love to see the wait staff who post pics of their tips after a black customer stiffs them without any note. And how do we know this customer wasn't black? Like you said, many have shown to be false just to stoke some racial tensions. Im sure this wasn't the first time she was stiffed though.

Mjölnir
01-10-2017, 06:19 PM
Usually when I hear about a server putting something on social media about getting stiffed by [pick a demographic] they end up getting hundreds or (in a couple cases) thousands of dollars to them in donations.

Am sure that wait staff get stiffed by people who are cheap, or forget, or are rude, or are racists etc. I think most of the time it is true, but have grown more and more skeptical as the instances of people posting it (and the subsequent crowdsourcing) has grown more and more frequent.

My daughter recent lost her first tooth, the next morning was thrilled to find a dollar bill under her pillow ... she has two loose teeth and wiggles those every day so she can get another dollar or two ... she also checks the other teeth she can touch to see if they are loose. She got a positive response out of it ... she is trying to replicate it. Undoubtedly some people have seen that some servers got a lot more out of publicizing a shitty customer than they would have gotten from a customer who left a generous tip ...

sandsjames
01-10-2017, 06:21 PM
Usually when I hear about a server putting something on social media about getting stiffed by [pick a demographic] they end up getting hundreds or (in a couple cases) thousands of dollars to them in donations.

Am sure that wait staff get stiffed by people who are cheap, or forget, or are rude, or are racists etc. I think most of the time it is true, but have grown more and more skeptical as the instances of people posting it (and the subsequent crowdsourcing) has grown more and more frequent.

My daughter recent lost her first tooth, the next morning was thrilled to find a dollar bill under her pillow ... she has two loose teeth and wiggles those every day so she can get another dollar or two ... she also checks the other teeth she can touch to see if they are loose. She got a positive response out of it ... she is trying to replicate it. Undoubtedly some people have seen that some servers got a lot more out of publicizing a shitty customer than they would have gotten from a customer who left a generous tip ...

Damn...a dollar a tooth is the going rate these days? I remember a quarter (though that was more than a few years ago).

sandsjames
01-10-2017, 06:24 PM
Yeah, I would love to see the wait staff who post pics of their tips after a black customer stiffs them without any note. Is that what you would love to see? Would that make you feel better about yourself? Would that make your life easier and make you feel a little more equal?

WILDJOKER5
01-10-2017, 06:34 PM
Is that what you would love to see? Would that make you feel better about yourself? Would that make your life easier and make you feel a little more equal?

Just loving to see something doesn't mean my life would be better. I know there are many stereo types of demographics who don't tip well. But all of these FB tears for those being stiffed come from supposed white people stiffing black single moms who are just trying to do right by their babies after their dads left and they have to also take care of their grandmothers. I loved the movie "Waiting", didn't change my life, but was funny. :flock

garhkal
01-10-2017, 06:52 PM
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. The only thing I'm getting for it is that you didn't realize that some white people don't like black people? Is that what you learned from this because, if so, you've got a little catching up to do.

What i was getting (or trying to but messin it up), was in all prior cases i have heard of people getting stiffed on a tip, they were all black customers and it didn't matter the ethnicity of the server. So far, i have not been told by those i know who work in the service industry of a white person stiffing them like that...


What is it with people feeling the need to write these little notes on receipts all the time? Cut it out.

I can't stand it either.. If i don't feel like tipping (cause of say poor or below average service) i say so directly to their face (On poor service) or just pay the bill and leave with OUT MAKING a comment if the service was just below par..
I don't scribble a damn note on the receipt..


Anyway...a good many of these turn out to be hoaxes, so, whatever...not really news anyway. Shocking Story...someone in VA doesn't tip black people.

Based on the # of times in the past where something like this (black person harassed/muslim harassed) that HAVE turned out to be hoaxes where the victim was the one who made a false accusation, i can also understand the skepticism..


...not shocked that there is an asshole in Virginia, if this is even a true story. If it is someone's policy to not tip blacks...I can't imagine why they feel the need to advertise it to the person who just gave them great service...oh turnabout because maybe that person is in service industry as well and feels like blacks don't tip her?

I know a few people who don't tip PERIOD. Doesn't matter if its white, black, prussian or martian, man, woman, or Eunuch..


Damn...a dollar a tooth is the going rate these days? I remember a quarter (though that was more than a few years ago).

I agree. A buck?! I got at most 20p as a kid...

Bos Mutus
01-10-2017, 07:14 PM
I know a few people who don't tip PERIOD. Doesn't matter if its white, black, prussian or martian, man, woman, or Eunuch..


Germans, by and large, do not tip. In Germany, I mean....it's not customary there.

When they do, it's just like a quarter or .50...small change.

Oh, and if you ever do go to Germany...it is rude to leave the tip on the table...you are supposed to hand it directly to the person.

Leaving it on the table leaves them to pick it up as if they are scrapping crumbs...and is considered demeaning. Although, they are understanding of American customs, so you won't get any flack.

sandsjames
01-10-2017, 07:24 PM
Germans, by and large, do not tip. In Germany, I mean....it's not customary there.

When they do, it's just like a quarter or .50...small change.

Oh, and if you ever do go to Germany...it is rude to leave the tip on the table...you are supposed to hand it directly to the person.

Leaving it on the table leaves them to pick it up as if they are scrapping crumbs...and is considered demeaning. Although, they are understanding of American customs, so you won't get any flack.

I know that it was the same way the when I was first stationed in England. I remember the first time we tried to tip the pizza guy (Asian with a British accent...strange as shit) and he looked confused. It's become more common now, but it's just not something they did.

WILDJOKER5
01-10-2017, 07:47 PM
Germans, by and large, do not tip. In Germany, I mean....it's not customary there.

When they do, it's just like a quarter or .50...small change.

Oh, and if you ever do go to Germany...it is rude to leave the tip on the table...you are supposed to hand it directly to the person.

Leaving it on the table leaves them to pick it up as if they are scrapping crumbs...and is considered demeaning. Although, they are understanding of American customs, so you won't get any flack.

Asians believe it is disrespectful to tip at all. Like telling the waiter to go buy some lessons. I like the idea of tipping, kind of like working on commission. You try harder to make the sale. But only tip in cash cause then the waiter can hide it from the IRS because taxation is theft.

Bos Mutus
01-10-2017, 08:19 PM
I can't stand it either.. If i don't feel like tipping (cause of say poor or below average service) i say so directly to their face (On poor service) or just pay the bill and leave with OUT MAKING a comment if the service was just below par..
I don't scribble a damn note on the receipt.....

I don't believe in NOT tipping here in the U.S. That is the cost of the service...you ordered the service, you must pay for it.

You have discretion as to how much...but, I think 15% is an absolute minimum, and is no different than the check itself...you have to pay it, you ordered it, you pay it. I

f you don't like the food or service, you simply don't go back again, but not paying for it this time when you did get service and food is not cool...it would be equally wrong to say, "I didn't like the food, so instead of paying the 19.95, I'm only going to pay $12.50. A 15% minimum tip is understood, customary and part of the wait staff's pay.

...I generally tip 20% and then round up to the nearest dollar.

sandsjames
01-10-2017, 08:32 PM
I don't believe in NOT tipping here in the U.S. That is the cost of the service...you ordered the service, you must pay for it.

You have discretion as to how much...but, I think 15% is an absolute minimum, and is no different than the check itself...you have to pay it, you ordered it, you pay it. I

f you don't like the food or service, you simply don't go back again, but not paying for it this time when you did get service and food is not cool...it would be equally wrong to say, "I didn't like the food, so instead of paying the 19.95, I'm only going to pay $12.50. A 15% minimum tip is understood, customary and part of the wait staff's pay.

...I generally tip 20% and then round up to the nearest dollar.

I almost always tip a minimum of $3 (on small tabs under $15) and 15%-20% (also rounding), except in extreme cases (maybe once or twice in my adult life). The majority of the time it's not the wait staff that's screwing up...the screw ups happen in the kitchen and the waiters have no control. The only times I haven't tipped was when I ended up never seeing my waitress (for refills) in an almost empty restaurant when I could see the entire wait staff standing around BSing with nothing else to do.

I also tip the Commissary baggers a minimum of $3 unless I am going through the express line...then it's $1.

Bos Mutus
01-10-2017, 08:48 PM
I also tip the Commissary baggers a minimum of $3 unless I am going through the express line...then it's $1.

I do a minimum $3 at the commissary, too. Though, usually I go through self-service and don't use the bagger.

My wife does the major shopping...I only go when we need a thing or two on my way home from work.

Mjölnir
01-10-2017, 08:55 PM
Damn...a dollar a tooth is the going rate these days? I remember a quarter (though that was more than a few years ago).

Her cousins' get $5 ... that is a lot for a mouth full of teeth.

Bos Mutus
01-10-2017, 09:28 PM
Her cousins' get $5 ... that is a lot for a mouth full of teeth.

Children have one set of 20 baby (primary) teeth used in early development. These are generally replaced by a second set of 32 larger permanent teeth. By the age of 6-10 months most infants cut their first tooth. By 10 months to 3 years, infants, toddlers and preschoolers continue to get their lower, then upper primary teeth starting in the center of the mouth and working backwards. By 3 years of age, most of a child's 20 primary teeth are in. By the age of 5-6 years children begin to shed their primary teeth and permanent teeth begin to erupt. By 12-13 years, most baby teeth have been shed and almost all permanent teeth are in.

http://www.tfairy.com/factsFAQ.html

Bos Mutus
01-10-2017, 09:33 PM
I almost always tip a minimum of $3 (on small tabs under $15) and 15%-20% (also rounding), except in extreme cases (maybe once or twice in my adult life). The majority of the time it's not the wait staff that's screwing up...the screw ups happen in the kitchen and the waiters have no control. The only times I haven't tipped was when I ended up never seeing my waitress (for refills) in an almost empty restaurant when I could see the entire wait staff standing around BSing with nothing else to do.

I also tip the Commissary baggers a minimum of $3 unless I am going through the express line...then it's $1.

What about getting take-out?

I used to never tip for take-out...but now a lot of the places have the little kiosk or tablets to check you out and it automatically pops up with "How much tip?" you wanna do...so it feels more lame to actually put zero rather than just not tipping...

If you're not getting table service, I don't think a tip is really customary though.

sandsjames
01-10-2017, 10:17 PM
What about getting take-out?

I used to never tip for take-out...but now a lot of the places have the little kiosk or tablets to check you out and it automatically pops up with "How much tip?" you wanna do...so it feels more lame to actually put zero rather than just not tipping...

If you're not getting table service, I don't think a tip is really customary though.

Ummm...no...not that I can think of. I can't remember the last time I had take-out, though.

garhkal
01-11-2017, 04:33 AM
Germans, by and large, do not tip. In Germany, I mean....it's not customary there.

When they do, it's just like a quarter or .50...small change.

Oh, and if you ever do go to Germany...it is rude to leave the tip on the table...you are supposed to hand it directly to the person.

Leaving it on the table leaves them to pick it up as if they are scrapping crumbs...and is considered demeaning. Although, they are understanding of American customs, so you won't get any flack.

Hell, i know some countrys its actually verboten to even LEAVE a tip.. as its seen as an insult (like you are saying to the wait staff/cooks you suck so here's a little extra since you won't be in this job long)..


I don't believe in NOT tipping here in the U.S. That is the cost of the service...you ordered the service, you must pay for it.

You have discretion as to how much...but, I think 15% is an absolute minimum, and is no different than the check itself...you have to pay it, you ordered it, you pay it. I

f you don't like the food or service, you simply don't go back again, but not paying for it this time when you did get service and food is not cool...it would be equally wrong to say, "I didn't like the food, so instead of paying the 19.95, I'm only going to pay $12.50. A 15% minimum tip is understood, customary and part of the wait staff's pay.

...I generally tip 20% and then round up to the nearest dollar.

I disagree with that "you have to tip or else" sort of mentality. Imo its what has led to make some areas make tiping not just mandatory but "already included on your bill, whether you wanna tip or not"..

And in ALL of those places the level of service i have received (well here in the states at least) has MOST DEFINITELY been sub-par in comparison to places where 'tips are not automatically included'.
And also to me, NOT tipping is NOT the same as 'skipping out in paying some of the bill;.
If my order came say to 24.14, and i pay that 24.14, i have paid my bill in full. Tip is just extra...

SeaLawyer
01-17-2017, 04:39 PM
I saw this, while going through the news from bbc.co.uk to see if there was anything on a potential new truck attack in italy..
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38561883

Apparently in Virginia, a black waitress at a restaurant was in tears after seeing a note scrawled on the receipt she got back from the customers saying "Great service, we don't tip black people"..

Most of the workers i know in food service, say they get THAT sort of attitude FROM blacks, not to black wait staff..
So who else here has heard of this???

Not that BBC is very reliable; however, I tip based on service and service only--not color. This crap is ridonkulous!!! This is an isolated incident. Likewise, whose to say she isn't the one that scrawled the note herself in an attmpt to draw attention. Sort of like Bethany Storro: http://abcnews.go.com/US/acid-attack-victim-bethany-storro-tells-police-faked/story?id=11658631

garhkal
01-17-2017, 07:26 PM
Not that BBC is very reliable; however, I tip based on service and service only--not color. This crap is ridonkulous!!! This is an isolated incident. Likewise, whose to say she isn't the one that scrawled the note herself in an attmpt to draw attention. Sort of like Bethany Storro: http://abcnews.go.com/US/acid-attack-victim-bethany-storro-tells-police-faked/story?id=11658631

After seeing all the fakers, making 'racist threats' etc, during the run up to trump's election, i was also thinking she might have done it herself..

Rainmaker
01-17-2017, 08:18 PM
King Day parade turns violent when 8 shot in Miami

A national holiday celebrating nonviolence and Martin Luther King Jr. erupted into mayhem when eight people were shot at a park named after the slain civil rights leader.

http://www.fox13news.com/news/florida-news/229563740-story

Bos Mutus
01-17-2017, 08:29 PM
Hell, i know some countrys its actually verboten to even LEAVE a tip.. as its seen as an insult (like you are saying to the wait staff/cooks you suck so here's a little extra since you won't be in this job long)..

I disagree with that "you have to tip or else" sort of mentality. Imo its what has led to make some areas make tiping not just mandatory but "already included on your bill, whether you wanna tip or not"..

I usually see that only when it's a very large group or at a fancy kind of place...


And in ALL of those places the level of service i have received (well here in the states at least) has MOST DEFINITELY been sub-par in comparison to places where 'tips are not automatically included'.

I don't believe that.

Of course, this is your unique experience, so it can't be proven false or anything...but I don't think automatic tips always result in sub-par service. I certainly have never experienced that as most places with automatic tips are either high-price fancy dining or large groups...


And also to me, NOT tipping is NOT the same as 'skipping out in paying some of the bill;.
If my order came say to 24.14, and i pay that 24.14, i have paid my bill in full. Tip is just extra...

I disagree. A tip is an understood payment for service. It may not be legally enforceable, but it is expected...in some places, the wait staff make less than minimum wage in salary because of the expectation of tips.


On a side note...I was at a restaurant this weekend with a large group of friends...and the waiter took food and drink orders to 20 people without writing it down. He had like a freakish photographic memory or something...neat trick.

garhkal
01-18-2017, 04:42 AM
King Day parade turns violent when 8 shot in Miami

A national holiday celebrating nonviolence and Martin Luther King Jr. erupted into mayhem when eight people were shot at a park named after the slain civil rights leader.

http://www.fox13news.com/news/florida-news/229563740-story

Saw that yesterday.. And i still can't understand how not ONE news site mentions the race of the perp??


I disagree. A tip is an understood payment for service. It may not be legally enforceable, but it is expected...in some places, the wait staff make less than minimum wage in salary because of the expectation of tips.

Which i find pure drill. Its in essence telling the customers "YOU pay the workers, its not my job"..

Mjölnir
01-18-2017, 10:38 AM
Which i find pure drill. Its in essence telling the customers "YOU pay the workers, its not my job"..

My mom was a server in a restaurant through all my time in HS, I eventually worked at a different restaurant owned by he same family across town and prior to wedded bliss, dated many a waitress. In most places, servers make less than minimum wage -- this can be good, can be bad.

Servers are required to claim tips and report this data to their employer as a factor in their payroll withholding. While they are only paid by their employer $2.13 per hour, at a MINIMUM they have to claim enough to get their hourly wage for the week up to (federal) minimum wage ($7.25) -- enough in tips per hour worked to account for the $5.12 difference, which on some shifts may not work out, but over the course of a week, 2 weeks usually ends up in the servers favor. Every server I have known when it was all said and done made more than minimum wage -- none claimed all of their tips. Most varied their claims to make varying amounts above minimum wage ... to exact a number to get to minimum wage possibly triggering a review of their claims.

While the custom of tipping in the US may be interpreted as "YOU pay the workers, its not my job". If we changed that and required the employer to pay minimum wage and discontinued tipping ... YOU likely would still pay the server, via higher costs of food and beverage to account for the higher business overhead.