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Rainmaker
12-09-2016, 04:27 PM
Brian Williams, the disgraced ex-NBC journalist who was literally fired for falsely reporting that he was in a helicopter during the Iraq war that took on combatant fire, is now going on a crusade against "fake news."

On his MSNBC show last night, Williams decided to attack retired General Flynn and Donald Trump for spreading "fake news" via their twitter accounts.


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-09/nbcs-fake-news-king-brian-williams-launches-crusade-against-fake-news

They've been beating the "fake-news" narrative against our heads, ever since the election (when the Wikileaks , Hillary, Podesta, and associates, "spirt cooking" and other possible sick shit came to light)......

But, this one takes the cake......


Brian Williams (who repeatedly, for 12 years, "misremembered" being on helo that was hit by an RPG in Iraq) is now back on the airwaves & attacking General Flynn.

It appears their hypocrisy knows no bounds.

& Why in the hell is Comcast/NBC still giving this lying asshole a platform?

Mjölnir
12-10-2016, 02:31 PM
The fake news narrative is real; exactly how pervasive it is a good question but dismissing the issue entirely ignores the facts.

New (alt) news sources such as Brietbart and ImfoWars are excellent examples of sites that publish a story with on nugget of fact surrounded by extensive falsehood --MSNNBC, Fox, and more and more CNN are doing the same thing along with various print media. Pulling out that nugget from falsehood, speculation and opinion at times isn't difficult ... at other times it can be.

"Theatricality and deception are powerful agents to the uninitiated, but we are initiated ... aren't we Bruce?"

As far as Brian Williams, fuck that guy. But I imagine on some level they had to keep him due to a contract.

Rainmaker
12-11-2016, 02:29 AM
The fake news narrative is real;

The "fake news" narrative is exactly that. A fake narrative...... It goes something like this: "The Russian boogeyman interfered in the US election (by exposing the truth) to help Trump. #imwithher"


exactly how pervasive it is a good question but dismissing the issue entirely ignores the facts.

According to the FBI's official statement there are no confirmed links between Trump and Russia.

So, Unless General Clapper perjurers himself in front of Congress again.... The BS "secret intelligence report" doesn't get to count.


New (alt) news sources such as Brietbart and ImfoWars are excellent examples of sites that publish a story with on nugget of fact surrounded by extensive falsehood --MSNNBC, Fox, and more and more CNN are doing the same thing along with various print media.


The difference is those other sites don't pretend to be something they're not.

Breitbart bills itself as a "conservative news" and Infowars tagline is "You are the Resistance". Whereas CNN presents itself as being an objective news organization. (which has now been thoroughly discredited).

Breitbart is a social media giant (300 Million hits, reaching 45 million people a month). The MSM is basically dead in the water. The country is moving right. This debacle is just a last ditch effort, to try and stay relevant by accusing anyone who doesn't drink the globalist koolaide, of being "fake news".



Pulling out that nugget from falsehood, speculation and opinion at times isn't difficult ... at other times it can be.

The problem with using the term "fake", is that it's to loose a label.

garhkal
12-11-2016, 03:29 AM
One thing is why are they saying "we have an un-named source from an unknown org' saying this?? HOW in gods name do they expect us to take what they are SAYING at face value on this, especially when 99% of the proper named orgs are all saying "there are currently no links found"...

Rainmaker
12-11-2016, 12:33 PM
And just like that we have the Owellian doublespeak named legislation. "Countering Foreign Propaganda and Disinformation Act".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countering_Foreign_Propaganda_and_Disinformation_A ct

& Hillary even managed to slither out from under her rock, in her Purple ColorRevolution pantsuit to promote it.


"In a speech to lawmakers on December 8, 2016, Hillary Clinton called attention to the issue, saying pending legislation before the U.S. Congress would "boost the government's response to foreign propaganda."[8] She called on trendsetters in society to work together on the problem: "It's imperative that leaders in both the private sector and the public sector step up to protect our democracy, and innocent lives."[8]


Translation: Hey Silicon valley/venture capital funds ..... If you want to continue to be able to loot the public funds, then you need to figure out a way of censoring anything on the internet that would bring more investigations and further scrutiny, of our crimes!

https://twitter.com/AustinChas/status/797445221122506752

Mjölnir
12-12-2016, 08:53 AM
The "fake news" narrative is exactly that. A fake narrative...... It goes something like this: "The Russian boogeyman interfered in the US election (by exposing the truth) to help Trump. #imwithher"

According to the FBI's official statement there are no confirmed links between Trump and Russia.

So, Unless General Clapper perjurers himself in front of Congress again.... The BS "secret intelligence report" doesn't get to count.

I don't know that it is a fake narrative. There is definitely false news out there that motivates people one way or another ...

What isn't disputable is that someone got a hold of a lot of emails that were embarrassing for the DNC, initial indications are that it was a Russian actor. Does that mean the actor was working on behalf of the Russian Gov't? Depends on who it was ... some are merely hired guns, others are state sponsored.

I have seen nothing that indicates that the actual voting / balloting was hacked, but there was definitely someone releasing data that could have swayed some people ... professionally this is interesting to see how it effects / impacts our cyber strategy and posture.


The difference is those other sites don't pretend to be something they're not.

Breitbart bills itself as a "conservative news" and Infowars tagline is "You are the Resistance". Whereas CNN presents itself as being an objective news organization. (which has now been thoroughly discredited).

Breitbart is a social media giant (300 Million hits, reaching 45 million people a month).

I don't think 45 million people go to those sites every month because they think it is The Onion or another satire site. Some people take those type of sites as legitimate news, probably most of those 45 million. Again, they get some nuggets of truth, some supposition or editorial ... and some outright pants on fire type stuff.


The MSM is basically dead in the water. The country is moving right. This debacle is just a last ditch effort, to try and stay relevant by accusing anyone who doesn't drink the globalist koolaide, of being "fake news".

I am waiting to say the country is moving right; it is definitely course correcting from the hard shift left in the last 8 years. DJT won the election, HRC won the popular vote by 2 million + votes (however, remove California and she lost the popular vote by around 2 million), the all important swing voter swung right instead of left ... many of those voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012. The hard push left turned off a lot of the voters that the DNC needs, also the DNC was not helped by lower than expected minority voter turnout ... had Michigan (Detroit) and / Pennsylvania (Philadelphia) had minority turnout similar to 2008 & 2012 and they mostly voted per norms, HRC would have won those states and by consequence the election ... it easily could have gone the other way.

Currently the GOP controls more governorships, more state legislatures, more seats in the House and Senate and will hold the White House in Jan, retaining that in 2018 is a definite sign that he course correction is more of a swing.


The problem with using the term "fake", is that it's to loose a label.

Concur, mostly. The label is too lose, and this wasn't such a big deal when the fake news was about DJT, but there is plenty of irresponsible 'reporting' ... maybe we should use "mostly fake"... kind of like mostly dead :)

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WILDJOKER5
12-12-2016, 11:14 AM
Its funny that now they are admitting to there being fake news, the left always tried to paint FNC as "faux news". They just realized after a year of pandering to HRC and the dems that they were shown to be the biggest purveyor of fake news through wikileaks and now they are trying to distract everyone by claiming fake news is coming from every where else, especially the right.

BTW, speaking of fake news, yahoo had a story about Dylann Roof receiving $3 mil from whites to support his defense. CNN calls BLM a "peaceful protest". and so on.

Mjölnir
12-12-2016, 11:20 AM
BTW, speaking of fake news, yahoo had a story about Dylann Roof receiving $3 mil from whites to support his defense.

I have heard / read that he received a lot of donations from groups that were white supremacists ... probably not fake news.


CNN calls BLM a "peaceful protest". and so on.

Hard to classify this one since BLM is so nebulous and has little 'official' organization. You probably get into definitions of "peachful protest" etc. Without argument, many BLM protests and activists have not been peaceful.

WILDJOKER5
12-12-2016, 12:33 PM
I have heard / read that he received a lot of donations from groups that were white supremacists ... probably not fake news.

http://www.snopes.com/dylann-roof-donations/

Mjölnir
12-12-2016, 01:43 PM
http://www.snopes.com/dylann-roof-donations/

I had heard that he was getting donations, not necessarily the $4mil number or from that group ... hard to sort out one way or the other.

Rainmaker
12-12-2016, 03:03 PM
What isn't disputable is that someone got a hold of a lot of emails that were embarrassing for the DNC

Does that make any of this stuff being reported "fake" news?

The leaks were embarrassing for the DNC because (among other things) they revealed the collusion going on between Hillary Clinton, the so-called "legitimate" media and the DNC's efforts to rig the Democratic primary in Hillary's favor. It begs the question..... Where they also colluding to rig the general election in her favor, as well?


initial indications are that it was a Russian actor.

That is disputable. Even John Bolton's suggesting it's a false-flag. See? He's now a "conspiracy theorist"!

FWIW Rainmaker's SWAG, is that it's more than likely insider-leaks.

Either way, the IC needs an enema. They're too concerned with feathering their own nests or CYA . The quality of their product is largely shit.

We'll see whether or not General Flynn is successful (this time) with cleaning up that bureaucratic shit-show.



don't think 45 million people go to those sites every month because they think it is The Onion or another satire site.

I think they're going to those sites because, It's billed as conservative news, opinion and commentary and they know that the legacy media is made up mostly of socialists shilling for the DNC, and they'd like to hear a differening perspective.



Some people take those type of sites as legitimate news, probably most of those 45 million

So, is your position then that Breitbart is not a "legitimate" news source and that 45 million people are all getting duped?

If that's so, Then what sources would you consider to be legitimate?

Mjölnir
12-12-2016, 04:57 PM
Does that make any of this stuff being reported "fake" news?

Not at all ... I do think there is a difference. Part of me liked the curtain being pulled back on some of the hypocrisy that it exposed.


The leaks were embarrassing for the DNC because (among other things) they revealed the collusion going on between Hillary Clinton, the so-called "legitimate" media and the DNC's efforts to rig the Democratic primary in Hillary's favor. Which begs the question..... Where they also colluding to rig the general election in her favor, as well?

IMO ... the DNC did a true disservice to their members in how they ran their primaries and drove to tip the scales in HRC's favor. Despite their efforts, I feel that had Bernie Sanders taken a tougher stance on the HRC email issue, &/or her performance at State, he might have gained momentum before he did and beat her in spite of the DNC's efforts.

The leaks also showed how many within the DNC really regard some of their key constituencies ... they aren't necessarily as truly accepting / inclusive as they would want people to think ... but they do like the votes from those constituencies.


Disputable. John Bolton's suggesting it's a false-flag. See? Even he's now a "conspiracy theorist"!

Conspiracy theorist? No ... but he also is not receiving reports on it other than what is in the media.


FWIW Rainmaker's SWAG, is that it's more than likely insider-leaks.

That is possible, and I would imagine that is getting looked at. Tracing a cyber intrusion to point origin can be tricky, but I would say an insider-leak would likely involve a Snowden or Manning like copying of files from a server with a physical connection or legitimate credentials for system access; an insider wouldn't need to hop through several servers to do that ... could they to create a false flag, sure. Is it detectable? Yes. I can think that there may be an insider who is really good at that type of thing ... I also know first hand the people we have to do forensics on that type of thing are very good too.


Either way, The IC needs an enema. They're more concerned with feathering their own nests or CYA . The quality of their product is largely shit.

Agree, there are reforms in the IC that need to be done. Largely the last 8-years have seen the politization of intelligence product to meet a predetermined policy or goal (happened during the Bush Administration too ... but not like this.) The current administration has ignored radical Islamic movements around the world to avoid the appearance of Islamaphobia ... There are people of diverse backgrounds all around the world that wish to do us harm ... the fact remains that the largest portion of those people are radical Muslims ... not being able to use those facts is stifling.


We'll see whether or not General Flynn is successful this time, with cleaning up that bureaucratic shit-show.

I don't see Flynn having too much impact unless Trump radically changes the role of the National Security Advisor ... some of which is limited because he is not confirmed by the Senate and won't have budgetary or policy authority over the IC.


I think they're going there because, It's billed as conservative news, opinion and commentary and they know that the legacy media is made up mostly of socialists shilling for the DNC.

I think a lot of people go there because they find a news source that presents news in a manner that aligns with their generally predetermined ideology. Also, smaller percentages of people go there because they don't agree with that ideology but to 'keep tabs' on the 'opposition' ... (some of my very .... VERY liberal friends watch a lot of FOX and read Breitbart for this reason).


So, is your position then that Breitbart is not "legitimate" news and that 45 million people are getting duped?

Duped ... not quite. I think most people go to a conservative site wanting conservatively slanted news, same for people who go to liberal sites wanting liberally slanted news. I don't go to a seafood restaurant when I really have an appetite for Mexican food. I do think that too many people take what they get at face value and don't do research on what they are reading to separate the wheat from the chaff.


What sources do you consider legitimate?

Hard term to define, I consider most of them 'legitimate', but I tend to know what I am getting when I look at MSNBC, or FoxNews, or Breitbart. As I have said, I do consume mainstream media in many cases as a jumping off point to actually research things. Depending on the topic I get a lot of data from work, I do work in the IC so I get a lot of tactical & operational reporting before it is ran out at the strategic level (which is where I see more politization).

The Hill: Conservative leaning, its writers and columnists are folks like Lanny Davis and James Carville but their style of writing there is much more non-partisan and generally more intelligently written than stuff on MSNBC or Fox etc.

FactCheck.org: Good factual data.

Congressional Budget Office: their reports are really good sources of non-partisan data as it is presented to Congress prior to the individual offices spinning it.

Also, having worked on Capitol Hill, I regularly do read the text of legislation ... crazy thing ... reading the bills and laws that effect our country.

I don't regularly peruse the National Enquirer unless I am in the check out line looking at the cover for a quick chuckle ... but it is also a fact that the National Enquirer was the first outlet to report that Sen. John Edwards had a mistress, a child with that mistress and had been stepping out on his wife for some time. They beat everyone to the punch on that ... and also report that Elvis was abducted by aliens to play a concert for JFK on their homeworld ...

garhkal
12-12-2016, 07:44 PM
Its funny that now they are admitting to there being fake news, the left always tried to paint FNC as "faux news". They just realized after a year of pandering to HRC and the dems that they were shown to be the biggest purveyor of fake news through wikileaks and now they are trying to distract everyone by claiming fake news is coming from every where else, especially the right.

BTW, speaking of fake news, yahoo had a story about Dylann Roof receiving $3 mil from whites to support his defense. CNN calls BLM a "peaceful protest". and so on.

ALong with the whole hands up don't shoot mantra we got from BLM in the beginning for Garner, or "i can't breath' for that dude in NYC.. And they RAN with that false news, just to push ratings and the protests..

Rainmaker
12-13-2016, 03:31 PM
I feel that had Bernie Sanders taken a tougher stance on the HRC email issue, &/or her performance at State, he might have gained momentum before he did and beat her in spite of the DNC's efforts.

Sanders showed his hand as a quisling, by continuing to campaign for her, even after the evidence came out that he got corn-holed.

America should Thank God every day, that the Bolshevick cuck won't be getting anywhere near the oval orifice.



Conspiracy theorist? No ... but he also is not receiving reports on it other than what is in the media.

Well Bolton is on the short list for Deputy Secretary of State.

He should ask to see the "Anonymous sources from within the CIA's secret assessment" leaked to the Washington post, that they can't tell anybody about (because it was produced by the same bureaucrats, that are currently under investigation for cooking the Intel to fit Obama's "ISIS is the JV team" narrative).



Tracing a cyber intrusion to point origin can be tricky, but I would say an insider-leak would likely involve a Snowden or Manning like copying of files from a server with a physical connection or legitimate credentials for system access; an insider wouldn't need to hop through several servers to do that ... Yes. I can think that there may be an insider who is really good at that type of thing ... I also know first hand the people we have to do forensics on that type of thing are very good too.

It doesn't take a nefarious non-state actor, when It was reported that John "Pizzagate" Podesta's Gmail account was hacked, after he fell for a fishing email requesting his password, which was 'p@ssw0rd'. Can't fix stupid.



Also, smaller percentages of people go there because they don't agree with that ideology but to 'keep tabs' on the 'opposition' ...

Rainmaker does this with the ho-tards over at Huffpo, Slate and Jezebell. Though lately it's mostly devolved into just trolling them and basking in the shadenfreud of their collective meltdown.


FactCheck.org. Good factual data.

Who's Fact Checking The "Fact Checkers"?

Bos Mutus
12-13-2016, 03:55 PM
I feel that had Bernie Sanders taken a tougher stance on the HRC email issue,

..."I don't wanna hear another word about those damn emails"...probably a big mistake on his part, if he was interested in winning the nomination.

I think, in general, the DNC is more concerned about not beating each other up on non-policy issues during the primaries in order to protect the party during the general. They try to "keep it clean." Though, not always entirely possible...

Backfires in that the issues voters might care about do not get fully vetted...or they get attention during the general instead of the primary.

Survive the GOP primaries and voters have already seen and heard most of the dirt...

Kind of like that rap-battle in 8 Mile where B. Rabbit raps all the insults on himself so that Papa Doc of Free World got nothing more to say...

Mjölnir
12-13-2016, 04:00 PM
Sanders showed his hand as a quisling, by continuing to campaign for her, even after the evidence came out that he got corn-holed.

I lost a lot of respect for him as a result of that.




Well Bolton is on the short list for Deputy Secretary of State.

**was


He should ask to see the "Anonymous sources from within the CIA's secret assessment, leaked to the Washington post, that they can't tell anybody about" (because it was probably produced by the same bureaucrats, that are currently under investigation for cooking the Intel to fit Obama's "ISIS is the JV team" narrative).

He probably should.


It doesn't take a state actor, when It was reported that John "Pizzagate" Podesta's Gmail account was hacked, after he fell for a fishing email requesting his password, which was 'p@ssw0rd'. Can't fix stupid.

Doesn't take a state actor at all ... but the level of activity by these actors is surprising ... an trackable.


Rainmaker does this with the ho-tards over at Huffpo, Slate and Jezebell. Though lately it's mostly devolved into just trolling them and basking in the shadenfreud of their collective meltdown.

Am tempted to go look and see if I can figure out which ones are your comments now.

[/quote]Who's Fact Checking The "Fact Checkers"?[/QUOTE]

The government ... kidding.

I do a lot of cross checking, but yes ... at some point I have to find a comfort level and trust sources. Same as when I was studying history ... I can't read ancient Greek ... at some point I have to trust the translators were correct. Imagine my disappointment if after running 26 miles from Marathon to Athen, instead of proclaiming "Nikomen" (We Win!) before dropping dead actually said something like "fuck that".

Rainmaker
12-13-2016, 04:59 PM
Maybe the Washington post can figure out What happened to Seth Rich?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Seth_Rich

garhkal
12-13-2016, 07:24 PM
Seth's been forgotten by most of the lame stream media.. THey just don't wanna go digging in that morassis..

Mjölnir
12-14-2016, 11:07 AM
Maybe the Washington post can figure out What happened to Seth Rich?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Seth_Rich

It is interesting ... it has all the foundations of a great conspiracy.

DNC Staffer murdered, during the election cycle ... following the hacking etc. None of his personal items were taken, there were signs that someone attempted to remove his watch. He was shot in the back 4 (I think) times.

However, in that neighborhood in Washington DC at 4 in the morning, a mugging gone wrong isn't really a newsflash.

I asked my brother (a police officer) about none of his personal items being taken, he said that really wasn't that weird, once the perp fires shots, they tend to not stick around and rummage the body.

Interesting note on the Rich murder, DC police were alerted to it almost immediately, DC police use a system of sensors throughout the city that can detect a gunshot, create a line of bearing (LOB) and then cross queue between those LOBs to geolocate the source of the gunshot within a pretty small area. Pretty cool.

Rainmaker
12-14-2016, 02:30 PM
It is interesting ... it has all the foundations of a great conspiracy.

DNC Staffer murdered, during the election cycle ... following the hacking etc. None of his personal items were taken, there were signs that someone attempted to remove his watch. He was shot in the back 4 (I think) times.


Well, since the MSM refuses to do any investigative journalism on it, and Mein Trumpenfuhrer has seemingly patched things up with the Salt Lake City Mafia........ Maybe, some more "anonymous" sources, within the IC can leak some secret info to the Washington post (and the crying guy on cable TV with his face covered in crushed up cheetos)?

Because, as it stands now, us "conspiracy analysts" are stuck relying on the 4-chan basement dweller types to investigate this DC Pedophile ring & Enquiring minds want to know.... Nomsayin?

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2016/08/25/20160826_fire.jpg

garhkal
12-14-2016, 08:21 PM
It is interesting ... it has all the foundations of a great conspiracy.

DNC Staffer murdered, during the election cycle ... following the hacking etc.

Slight correction, it was following a LEAKING of info, not hacking of info.

Mjölnir
12-14-2016, 09:41 PM
Slight correction, it was following a LEAKING of info, not hacking of info.

Fair enough, the hacking took place prior to the leaking.

Rainmaker
12-15-2016, 03:36 PM
Fair enough, the hacking took place prior to the leaking.

Actually, a WikiLeaks operative is saying the emails they posted were handed over to them in a DC park by an intermediary.

"The source had legal access to the information. The documents came from inside leaks, not hacks."

" He said the leakers were motivated by 'disgust at the corruption of the Clinton Foundation and the tilting of the primary election field against Bernie Sanders"


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4034038/Ex-British-ambassador-WikiLeaks-operative-claims-Russia-did-NOT-provide-Clinton-emails-handed-D-C-park-intermediary-disgusted-Democratic-insiders.html

Now, Applying Occam's razor.... Rainmaker's money's on this being the most likely story.......

Speaking of money......What's the current over/under on 'Betfair' for Huma Abedin "accidentally" shooting herself, multiple times in the back of the head, with a nail gun?

Bos Mutus
12-15-2016, 10:43 PM
The fake news narrative is real; exactly how pervasive it is a good question but dismissing the issue entirely ignores the facts.

New (alt) news sources such as Brietbart and ImfoWars are excellent examples of sites that publish a story with on nugget of fact surrounded by extensive falsehood --MSNNBC, Fox, and more and more CNN are doing the same thing along with various print media. Pulling out that nugget from falsehood, speculation and opinion at times isn't difficult ... at other times it can be.

"Theatricality and deception are powerful agents to the uninitiated, but we are initiated ... aren't we Bruce?"

As far as Brian Williams, fuck that guy. But I imagine on some level they had to keep him due to a contract.

Speculation and opinion is not the same as Fake News...although, yes, at times it is done cleverly enough to make speculation appear as truth rather that what it is.

In my observation, Fake News has come out in at least 3 different waves:

First Wave: Sites like The Onion and Duffelblog...appear to have no ill intentions other than to be funny. The are Satire sites in the mold of SNL and National Lampoon. While people at times have been fooled by their articles; they are mostly pretty obvious, do not pretend to be anything else other than a humorous fake news site and can be funny.

Second Wave: Sites that hide "satire site" in their small print disclaimer. They write stories that are more apt to be believed as "truth is strange" kind of things. Generally, with outrageous headlines like man files to marry transgender pig...or Obama proposed limiting church attendance to once a month...or Sarah Palin sex party, etc.

The goal of these sites is generally click and share to gain advertiser revenue. People love to click and share stories that show how the opposing party is outrageous in their conduct...or how far we have a society have fallen in morals, etc.

Some of these sites are Empirenews, News8now, etc. You can usually find a disclaimer somewhere on their page about being satire or entertainment only...

The 3rd Wave is sites that aggregate legitimate news from other places and then add in some of their own Fake News, or other Fake News. They are deceptive and often you can't even find their 'satire" disclaimer, if they even have one. They attempt to legitimize their fake news by surrounding it with stories you know to be true. People assume the sites are therefore legit, so the story must be legit.

It's also a way to get around the FB filters that have filtered out some of the 2nd Wave sites...again, the MO is outrage and the goal is click and share.

Sites like Newswatch28 are like this. There are also some that have domains like one letter off of legitimate sites...like Wave 2, these are intended to fool people and a mark of success is when a story goes viral for them...they are just having to get more clever about it as filters and readers wised up a little from Wave 2.

I don't know how much Fake News actually affected the election...generally, it's just people sharing stuff that reinforces their outrage...and when someone else proves the story fake, they'll brush off with something like, "Well, it sound pretty typical for them"..."It could be true nowadays." or something like that.

Rainmaker
12-16-2016, 02:07 AM
Where is Eric Braverman?

https://www.google.com/search?q=eric+braverman+missing&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

garhkal
12-16-2016, 03:49 AM
Speculation and opinion is not the same as Fake News...although, yes, at times it is done cleverly enough to make speculation appear as truth rather that what it is.

In my observation, Fake News has come out in at least 3 different waves:

Snip..



What would you class a site like here, or GOPUSA as?

Bos Mutus
12-16-2016, 12:31 PM
What would you class a site like here, or GOPUSA as?

I don't know a whole lot about them...but, can't say I'd call them fake news. They are just a very biased site from what I've seen...

If they stood at a street and saw 10 jaywalkers, 5 liberals and 5 conservatives...they would write 5 articles about "Another Liberal jaywalker on Main Street."...maybe speculate that it's because liberals think laws don't apply to them because they are the educated idiot elites who don't hold real jobs, etc. etc. kind of thing.

Not fake, per se, in that 5 liberals did jaywalk, it's just not the whole truth, only the part that supports their agenda...filtered, selected and biased and only what they want to see and their readers want to read...that liberals suck and conservatives are wonderful people.

Rainmaker
12-16-2016, 01:22 PM
here's a recent example of "Fake" news.

https://i.sli.mg/OV1N59.png

garhkal
12-16-2016, 06:54 PM
I don't know a whole lot about them...but, can't say I'd call them fake news. They are just a very biased site from what I've seen...

If they stood at a street and saw 10 jaywalkers, 5 liberals and 5 conservatives...they would write 5 articles about "Another Liberal jaywalker on Main Street."...maybe speculate that it's because liberals think laws don't apply to them because they are the educated idiot elites who don't hold real jobs, etc. etc. kind of thing.

Not fake, per se, in that 5 liberals did jaywalk, it's just not the whole truth, only the part that supports their agenda...filtered, selected and biased and only what they want to see and their readers want to read...that liberals suck and conservatives are wonderful people.

I've heard SOME though claim since it IS a conservative biased site it must be fake, just like fox news is (to them).. BUT they think nothing of the onion or breibart..

Bos Mutus
12-16-2016, 07:37 PM
I've heard SOME though claim since it IS a conservative biased site it must be fake, just like fox news is (to them).. BUT they think nothing of the onion or breibart..

You can always find SOME people to say just about anything...

Rainmaker
12-17-2016, 02:38 AM
Here's yet another example of "Fake news".

Christopher Suprun.....

He was paraded all over the 'real' news last week, as being a so-called Republican Elector, who said it was his "constitutional duty to vote his conscience" by casting his electoral college vote for Hillary Clinton instead of Donald Trump (against the wishes of the American people).

He even wrote a widely circulated Op-ed in the New York Times about it, where he claimed to be a first responder at the pentagon on 9-11.....

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/05/opinion/why-i-will-not-cast-my-electoral-vote-for-donald-trump.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region&region=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region&_r=1

Well folks, as It turns out...... he's full of Shit.

http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=69419&cpage=1

Mjölnir
12-17-2016, 04:31 PM
Here's yet another example of "Fake news".

Christopher Suprun.....

He was paraded all over the 'real' news last week, as being a so-called Republican Elector, who said it was his "constitutional duty to vote his conscience" by casting his electoral college vote for Hillary Clinton instead of Donald Trump (against the wishes of the American people).

He even wrote a widely circulated Op-ed in the New York Times about it, where he claimed to be a first responder at the pentagon on 9-11.....

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/05/opinion/why-i-will-not-cast-my-electoral-vote-for-donald-trump.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region®ion=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region&_r=1

Well folks, as It turns out...... he's full of Shit.

http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=69419&cpage=1

Not fake news ... he got a lot of attention for saying he would not cast his electoral vote for DJT, folks started googling his name and it turns out he may be the first responder version of a stolen valor douche.

garhkal
12-17-2016, 04:49 PM
Whcih makes you wonder HOW in the fark do they SELECT these people to be electors? Do they not do any sort of vetting? Have us the public get a say in who they are??

Rainmaker
12-17-2016, 05:21 PM
Not fake news ... he got a lot of attention for saying he would not cast his electoral vote for DJT, folks started googling his name and it turns out he may be the first responder version of a stolen valor douche.

By their own standards the NY Times is "Fake news" because they made no effort to fact check this poser before running his hit piece.

They passed him off as a Republican elector, all the while knowing that the entitled hypocrite douchebag even has a move on.org commercial

Bos Mutus
12-17-2016, 08:56 PM
Not fake news ... he got a lot of attention for saying he would not cast his electoral vote for DJT, folks started googling his name and it turns out he may be the first responder version of a stolen valor douche.

There are also reports that the accusations of him lying appear untrue...apparently fake news that the news was fake.

http://www.salon.com/2016/12/16/gop-elector-voting-against-donald-trump-faces-smear-campaign-over-911-first-responder-claim/

Rainmaker
12-18-2016, 01:05 AM
There are also reports that the accusations of him lying appear untrue...apparently fake news that the news was fake.

http://www.salon.com/2016/12/16/gop-elector-voting-against-donald-trump-faces-smear-campaign-over-911-first-responder-claim/

So, a picture of a 1994 Annandale volunteer fire department 'rookie of the year' plaque.... That's their proof this shlomo was at the pentagon?

LMAO!!! Time for another Schadenboner at salon.com!

Bos Mutus
12-19-2016, 03:13 PM
So, a picture of a 1994 Annandale volunteer fire department 'rookie of the year' plaque.... That's their proof this shlomo was at the pentagon?

LMAO!!! Time for another Schadenboner at salon.com!

I don't know what whether he was there or not...but your source's "proof" that he was not there was that he was not hired by the Manassas Fire Dept. until Oct 2011...so, he volunteered at another fire dept prior to being hired.

Anyway...I don't think electors should vote contrary to their state. As far as I'm concerned, it might as well be an automatic vote with no actual people needed.

Your state votes for Trump, you vote for Trump...it's that simple. I don't know how or why these people get picked, but it does not appear to be based on any superior qualification and the job does not appear difficult.

Rainmaker
12-19-2016, 04:55 PM
but your source's "proof" that he was not there was that he was not hired by the Manassas Fire Dept. until Oct 2011

The original " Fake" Source is WFAA (ABC Dallas).

They investigated the "Fake" story, after he was outted by "Fake" Redditt users, who exposed "Fake" inconsistencies between his "Fake" story and his "Fake" on-line resume.

It would seem that The "Real" New York Times didn't even conduct so much as a "Real" google search, before giving this "Real" piece of shit a platform for his "Real" Propaganda.

Then the "Real News", followed suit and ran with the story......Proving yet again that they lack any journalistic integrity.

Oh and guess who's name reportedly pops up on the publically available Ashley Madison hacking stuff?

The scumbag was out trolling for married pussy while he was unemployed and bankrupt with 3 kids.

Of course that's probably all just "Fake" news as well.



I don't know how or why these people get picked, but it does not appear to be based on any superior qualification and the job does not appear difficult.

How this Socialist New York Jew got himself appointed (as GOP elector from Texas) is an interesting question.

Rainmaker
12-19-2016, 05:51 PM
More "Fake News"

https://i.redd.it/acmep75bvb4y.png

Bos Mutus
12-19-2016, 05:54 PM
Oh and guess who's name's reportedly pops up on the publically available Ashley Madison hacking stuff?

The scumbag was out trolling for married pussy while he was unemployed and bankrupt with 3 kids.

Isn't membership there mandatory for the Republicans?



How this Socialist New York Jew got himself appointed (as GOP elector from Texas) is an interesting question.

Republican Extreme Vetting Process.

Rainmaker
12-19-2016, 06:28 PM
Republican Extreme Vetting Process.

These Traitors are often Hidden in Plain sight.

Crypto Communists in the MSM have a long history of covering for them........

E.g. 'Jack Ruby' aka Jacob Leon Rubenstein from Chicago.

Mjölnir
12-19-2016, 06:33 PM
Another example of "Fake News"

https://i.redd.it/acmep75bvb4y.png

Man, imagine the odds in Vegas ...

Rainmaker
12-19-2016, 08:33 PM
Man, imagine the odds in Vegas ...

The Clinton campaign was exposed conspiring with the 'Real News' on ways to rig polls by oversampling democrats..... But- Muh Russian hackers!!!

garhkal
12-19-2016, 10:14 PM
Isn't membership there mandatory for the Republicans?


Na.. ITs any politician! Regardless of party.


The Clinton campaign was exposed conspiring with the 'Real News' on ways to rig polls by oversampling democrats..... But- Muh Russian hackers!!!

I think this cartoon sums it up NICELY..

http://townhall.com/political-cartoons/garyvarvel/2016/12/18/147257