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sparks82
09-07-2016, 04:03 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/06/opinions/black-lives-matter-only-cares-about-american-black-lives-opinion/index.html

I'm glad someone addressed this issue. But I'm sure someone who supports the BLM movement will say "because BLM is about police violence" - well why can't it be more? Why can't it address all violence against black lives? Or is this right and people just view those lives in third world countries as sub-human? I hear soo much about black "culture" and heritage and yet I have not met a black person who even embraces their African ancestry nor discusses it nor knows anything about it.

sandsjames
09-07-2016, 04:18 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/06/opinions/black-lives-matter-only-cares-about-american-black-lives-opinion/index.html

I'm glad someone addressed this issue. But I'm sure someone who supports the BLM movement will say "because BLM is about police violence" - well why can't it be more? Why can't it address all violence against black lives? Or is this right and people just view those lives in third world countries as sub-human? I hear soo much about black "culture" and heritage and yet I have not met a black person who even embraces their African ancestry nor discusses it nor knows anything about it.

The difference being that, in most of the African countries, the leaders are black, the police force is black, the militias are black, so it's hard to blame it on (as Rainmaker would say) whitey.

And, let's be honest...most folks don't care about anyone outside of their neighborhood...white or black.

Rusty Jones
09-07-2016, 04:27 PM
[URL]I'm glad someone addressed this issue. But I'm sure someone who supports the BLM movement will say "because BLM is about police violence" - well why can't it be more? Why can't it address all violence against black lives? Or is this right and people just view those lives in third world countries as sub-human?

Or maybe... just maybe... it's because we're here in America, can only affect laws here in America. There's a BLM movement in the UK, too. And black Brits are all over it.

In Africa, their issue isn't racism - it's tribalism. In Latin America, people tend to see their ethnicity as one that transcends race... so Brazilians likely don't perceive race the same way Americans do to begin with.


I hear soo much about black "culture" and heritage and yet I have not met a black person who even embraces their African ancestry nor discusses it nor knows anything about it.

Oh, more retarded sparkisms. Yay...

Bos Mutus
09-07-2016, 04:43 PM
- well why can't it be more? Why can't it address all violence against black lives? Or is this right and people just view those lives in third world countries as sub-human?

This is such a disingenuous criticism of any organization.

Why isn't Susan G Komen foundation for all cancers? Why do they hate or not care about other cancer patients?

Why isn't Save the Whales out there protecting all mammals...or all animals...why can't they do more? Why aren't tortoises important to them?

Its silly...the organization formed to address a specific problem they perceived. Just because their name and motto sounds broad doesn't mean they have to be all things to all black people.

I mean, if Black Lives Matter, why aren't they donating research funds for sickle-cell anemia
Maybe a better question is with your obvious concern for the well-being of the Congo...why aren't you on a plane there right now to help out? Shouldn't you be doing more?

WILDJOKER5
09-07-2016, 05:04 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/06/opinions/black-lives-matter-only-cares-about-american-black-lives-opinion/index.html

I'm glad someone addressed this issue. But I'm sure someone who supports the BLM movement will say "because BLM is about police violence" - well why can't it be more? Why can't it address all violence against black lives? Or is this right and people just view those lives in third world countries as sub-human? I hear soo much about black "culture" and heritage and yet I have not met a black person who even embraces their African ancestry nor discusses it nor knows anything about it.

Its the same reason feminist don't care about women in Islamic countries. Or LGBT group doesn't care for gays in Islamic countries. Or Jews in America don't care about Jews in Islamic countries. Or poor people don't care about the poor people in 98% of the rest of the world. People playing the victim card in the 1st world don't want to look at the problems outside in the rest of the world because their perspective might be changed to understand they really aren't oppressed, they are just a product of their own choices and failures.

sparks82
09-07-2016, 06:01 PM
Its the same reason feminist don't care about women in Islamic countries. Or LGBT group doesn't care for gays in Islamic countries. Or Jews in America don't care about Jews in Islamic countries. Or poor people don't care about the poor people in 98% of the rest of the world. People playing the victim card in the 1st world don't want to look at the problems outside in the rest of the world because their perspective might be changed to understand they really aren't oppressed, they are just a product of their own choices and failures.

I emailed NOW one time to ask them why the plight of women under ISIS control isn't part of their focus and they gave me a basically polite f u letter back in an email.

WILDJOKER5
09-07-2016, 06:06 PM
I emailed NOW one time to ask them why the plight of women under ISIS control isn't part of their focus and they gave me a basically polite f u letter back in an email.

My point exactly. NOW wont even stick up for women like Sarah Palin. They are purely politically motivated group to tug the outrage stings of lofo voters.

sparks82
09-07-2016, 06:11 PM
The difference being that, in most of the African countries, the leaders are black, the police force is black, the militias are black, so it's hard to blame it on (as Rainmaker would say) whitey.

And, let's be honest...most folks don't care about anyone outside of their neighborhood...white or black.

I care - I just don't have the resources to do anything about it. When I had money, I donated it to different charities (and apparently my family and friends and my ex. I wish I could claim those on my tax returns).

sparks82
09-07-2016, 06:12 PM
My point exactly. NOW wont even stick up for women like Sarah Palin. They are purely politically motivated group to tug the outrage stings of lofo voters.

I don't think too many women anywhere would stick up for Sarah Palin...

WILDJOKER5
09-07-2016, 06:21 PM
I don't think too many women anywhere would stick up for Sarah Palin...

Why? Cause she doesn't follow lock step with the rest of the Women on the left? When she is called a "cunt" by a leftist male, do you think that is appropriate no matter what her political leanings are? Hell, if Clinton was called that, or just calling her "shrill", has NOW all up in arms about how misogynistic the right is. Oh, but calling for the death of Palin and her youngest son is "ok" cause shes a righty. When was the last time Palin had someone killed like Clinton?

sparks82
09-07-2016, 06:52 PM
Why? Cause she doesn't follow lock step with the rest of the Women on the left? When she is called a "cunt" by a leftist male, do you think that is appropriate no matter what her political leanings are? Hell, if Clinton was called that, or just calling her "shrill", has NOW all up in arms about how misogynistic the right is. Oh, but calling for the death of Palin and her youngest son is "ok" cause shes a righty. When was the last time Palin had someone killed like Clinton?

Because she's a raging lunatic...along with Bachmann and Ann Coulter.

Should people wish for their deaths? No. That's ridiculous. Depends on what they say or do to call a woman a cunt. I have used that word toward other women in my time and been called a cunt myself - by women and men. I think I was called a cunt on this forum last week actually. I don't really care if someone calls me that. I don't use it unless the woman is at that level. Ann Coulter - cunt. Sarah Palin - seems to have a drinking problem from her latest speeches in the last year and needs help. Bachmann - lunatic.

Oh ffs Clinton did not have anyone killed. Pull the tinfoil hat off. Clinton gets called all kinds of names and gets attacked for being "too emotional" or her health is attacked and any number of things in the last several years. All women get attacked on any side of the spectrum.

Death threats toward anyone like this or their children is horrible and ridiculous. Most sane people do not condone those attacks.

Bos Mutus
09-07-2016, 06:54 PM
I care - I just don't have the resources to do anything about it. When I had money, I donated it to different charities (and apparently my family and friends and my ex. I wish I could claim those on my tax returns).


The average clothing manufacturing worker in Bangladesh makes $38 per month.

garhkal
09-07-2016, 07:02 PM
The difference being that, in most of the African countries, the leaders are black, the police force is black, the militias are black, so it's hard to blame it on (as Rainmaker would say) whitey.

And, let's be honest...most folks don't care about anyone outside of their neighborhood...white or black.

That bolded part is imo the biggest part. What goes on in other countries is often, NOT seen as important as what goes on here.. So 1000s of deaths there is not registering anywhere near as muc as 1 thug shot by a cop does.. ESPECIALLY to the media.


Or maybe... just maybe... it's because we're here in America, can only affect laws here in America. There's a BLM movement in the UK, too. And black Brits are all over it.

Yea, and they shut down London airport and have doen the same to several motorways... Not caring that many of those who were affected by their antics at the airport, WERE fellow blacks flying to African nations.

WILDJOKER5
09-07-2016, 07:18 PM
Because she's a raging lunatic...along with Bachmann and Ann Coulter.

Should people wish for their deaths? No. That's ridiculous. Depends on what they say or do to call a woman a cunt. I have used that word toward other women in my time and been called a cunt myself - by women and men. I think I was called a cunt on this forum last week actually. I don't really care if someone calls me that. I don't use it unless the woman is at that level. Ann Coulter - cunt. Sarah Palin - seems to have a drinking problem from her latest speeches in the last year and needs help. Bachmann - lunatic. My point wasn't about the word, but that NOW will stick up for Killary when someone calls her emotional, but ignore harsher terms thrown at any woman on the right.


Oh ffs Clinton did not have anyone killed. Pull the tinfoil hat off. Clinton gets called all kinds of names and gets attacked for being "too emotional" or her health is attacked and any number of things in the last several years. All women get attacked on any side of the spectrum.

Death threats toward anyone like this or their children is horrible and ridiculous. Most sane people do not condone those attacks.
Yeah, tin foil hat....just happens that people who were testifying against her would up "committing suicide" by shooting themselves twice in the back of their head?

sparks82
09-07-2016, 07:35 PM
My point wasn't about the word, but that NOW will stick up for Killary when someone calls her emotional, but ignore harsher terms thrown at any woman on the right.


Yeah, tin foil hat....just happens that people who were testifying against her would up "committing suicide" by shooting themselves twice in the back of their head?

I can't control NOW nor can any other women.

Yeah ok. Not entertaining your delusions.

Rainmaker
09-07-2016, 07:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxQGiv7QhcA

sparks82
09-07-2016, 07:36 PM
The average clothing manufacturing worker in Bangladesh makes $38 per month.

Your point?

Bos Mutus
09-07-2016, 07:40 PM
Your point?

Your notion that you don't have money to be charitable or resources to help out is a first world problem.

If you were thinking globally, you would realize you are beyond wealthy.

sparks82
09-07-2016, 07:57 PM
Your notion that you don't have money to be charitable or resources to help out is a first world problem.

If you were thinking globally, you would realize you are beyond wealthy.

No I'm not when I have to take care of a medically fragile child by myself with no support from her father. Everything goes to her and bills. Priorities. She's my priority.

If I had money like Bill Gates I'd do what he does and help out third world countries. I don't have money to spare at this point like I used to have when I was single and had a savings.

sandsjames
09-07-2016, 07:59 PM
Your notion that you don't have money to be charitable or resources to help out is a first world problem.

If you were thinking globally, you would realize you are beyond wealthy.

But...but...cars, and new shoes, and make-up, and 3 TVs, and unlimited data, and an IPhone, and a tablet, and a laptop, and fast food twice a week, are definitely necessities.

sandsjames
09-07-2016, 08:01 PM
No I'm not when I have to take care of a medically fragile child by myself with no support from her father. Everything goes to her and bills. Priorities. She's my priority.

If I had money like Bill Gates I'd do what he does and help out third world countries. I don't have money to spare at this point like I used to have when I was single and had a savings.

If a group of 50 people in Africa had your money they'd be able to feed half the damn country.

Bos Mutus
09-07-2016, 08:09 PM
No I'm not when I have to take care of a medically fragile child by myself with no support from her father. Everything goes to her and bills.

Somewhere in Africa there is a child that is sicker and more fragile than yours that has less resources.

Why don't you care about that child? Do you see that child as sub-human?


Priorities. She's my priority.

American black victims of police violence are BLM's priority...


If I had money like Bill Gates I'd do what he does and help out third world countries. I don't have money to spare at this point like I used to have when I was single and had a savings.

There is never "enough money"...

sandsjames
09-07-2016, 08:15 PM
Somewhere in Africa there is a child that is sicker and more fragile than yours that has less resources.

Why don't you care about that child? Do you see that child as sub-human?



American black victims of police violence are BLM's priority...



There is never "enough money"...

As you're making clear and everyone else is making clear, "rich" is very subjective. Like Chris Rock said, if Bill Gates looked in his bank account and it had as much money as Oprah has, he'd hang himself. It's easy for us all to justify why we don't do enough.

On the other hand, I think that most of us will agree that we like our lifestyles as they are and that there's nothing wrong with that.

Rainmaker
09-07-2016, 08:16 PM
Your point?

His point is that Every American should be perfectly willing to live in a Tin shack and work for slave wages.

Because, only when the evil and racist bourgeois has been destroyed and the average American's standard of living resembles that of his Nicaraguan brothers (in the global village) will we be able to know true happiness!

sandsjames
09-07-2016, 08:22 PM
His point is that Every American should be perfectly willing to live in a Tin shack and work for slave wages.

Because, only when the evil and racist bourgeois has been destroyed and the average American's standard of living resembles that of his Nicaraguan brothers (in the global village) will we be able to know true happiness!


I'm pretty sure the point he was making was that we shouldn't bitch at others for not doing enough to "help" when we don't do it ourselves. So, for instance, it's easy for Sparks to bitch that others with more could do more yet she's unwilling to admit that she could do more.

But beware, THEY want to take all of our money...and our guns. It's amazing that after 8 years of an oppressive socialist regime that I still receive a paycheck and I still have my guns. Maybe I was just overlooked?

Bos Mutus
09-07-2016, 08:26 PM
As you're making clear and everyone else is making clear, "rich" is very subjective. Like Chris Rock said, if Bill Gates looked in his bank account and it had as much money as Oprah has, he'd hang himself. It's easy for us all to justify why we don't do enough.

On the other hand, I think that most of us will agree that we like our lifestyles as they are and that there's nothing wrong with that.


His point is that Every American should be perfectly willing to live in a Tin shack and work for slave wages.

Because, only when the evil and racist bourgeois has been destroyed and the average American's standard of living resembles that of his Nicaraguan brothers (in the global village) will we be able to know true happiness!

Yes...of course...perhaps you missed the sarcastic font I'm using.

...and every charitable organization that tries to benefit someone...must only work to solve the worst problem in the world. Because if that organization or any person tries to help a single mother in the U.S....sparks and that CNN goober will blast them saying, "Why don't they care about African mothers do they consider them sub-human? Obviously, the plight of an single African mother is likely worse than an American.

sandsjames
09-07-2016, 08:32 PM
Yes...of course...perhaps you missed the sarcastic font I'm using.

No, I completely understood it. Perhaps you missed that I was agreeing with you 100%. I know it's unusual...

Rainmaker
09-07-2016, 08:34 PM
If a group of 50 people in Africa had your money they'd be able to feed half the damn country.



Exactly how would they go about doing that, when after 15 years of trying it in 'Zimbabwe' they still can't figure out how to farm?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/zimbabwe-seized-white-farmers-land-now-some-are-being-invited-back/2015/09/14/456f66d6-45d2-11e5-9f53-d1e3ddfd0cda_story.html

Bos Mutus
09-07-2016, 08:36 PM
No, I completely understood it. Perhaps you missed that I was agreeing with you 100%. I know it's unusual...

Got it...that was more directed at Rainman...you hit the nail on the head.

I'm not really suggesting anyone live in poverty to help the rest of the world...it was just a comparison to the accusation that BLM could do more to help people in Africa cuz they're black, too.

sandsjames
09-07-2016, 08:46 PM
Exactly how would they go about doing that, when after 15 years of trying it in 'Zimbabwe' they still can't figure out how to farm?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/zimbabwe-seized-white-farmers-land-now-some-are-being-invited-back/2015/09/14/456f66d6-45d2-11e5-9f53-d1e3ddfd0cda_story.html

Holy shit, dude...are you this way on purpose? The point wasn't about the farming, or the education, or anything else in Zimbabwe (I love your minor protest of the name "Zimbabwe". It was about how damn poor those people are. Nothing more, nothing less.

Rusty Jones
09-07-2016, 08:57 PM
I love your minor protest of the name "Zimbabwe".

Am I reading this correctly? Is there a white supremacist ideology going around that believes that Rhodesia is still the "rightful" name?

sandsjames
09-07-2016, 09:10 PM
Am I reading this correctly? Is there a white supremacist ideology going around that believes that Rhodesia is still the "rightful" name?I have absolutely no idea but I'm sure we'll find out shortly.

garhkal
09-08-2016, 04:17 AM
But...but...cars, and new shoes, and make-up, and 3 TVs, and unlimited data, and an IPhone, and a tablet, and a laptop, and fast food twice a week, are definitely necessities.

Can't forget, that its a basic human right for someone to have all of the above, and if i can't afford it, someone must pony up so i can have them..

sandsjames
09-08-2016, 11:39 AM
Can't forget, that its a basic human right for someone to have all of the above, and if i can't afford it, someone must pony up so i can have them..

That's a fact...

sparks82
09-08-2016, 04:53 PM
I'm pretty sure the point he was making was that we shouldn't bitch at others for not doing enough to "help" when we don't do it ourselves. So, for instance, it's easy for Sparks to bitch that others with more could do more yet she's unwilling to admit that she could do more.

But beware, THEY want to take all of our money...and our guns. It's amazing that after 8 years of an oppressive socialist regime that I still receive a paycheck and I still have my guns. Maybe I was just overlooked?

I have done a lot more than most people in my life. I can't do more than what I have done. Considering that among my family people owe me approximately 11,000 and that my ex leeched approx. 15,000 out of me I would say that I don't have anything left. I have no savings left. I am living paycheck to paycheck. I am paying for everything for my daughter. If I wasn't in the Army I'd be so far in debt with medical expenses I would never be able to pay it off for all the things with my daughter.

I do what I can when I can. I have even had to borrow money from my mom and almost have her paid off. I help out where and when I can but I can't do the large amounts of money I used to do to help out. So no I am not unwilling to admit I could do more to help I actually can't do more to help.

I know I do more than a lot of people and I need to stop.

sandsjames
09-08-2016, 04:57 PM
I have done a lot more than most people in my life. I can't do more than what I have done. Considering that among my family people owe me approximately 11,000 and that my ex leeched approx. 15,000 out of me I would say that I don't have anything left. I have no savings left. I am living paycheck to paycheck. I am paying for everything for my daughter. If I wasn't in the Army I'd be so far in debt with medical expenses I would never be able to pay it off for all the things with my daughter.

I do what I can when I can. I have even had to borrow money from my mom and almost have her paid off. I help out where and when I can but I can't do the large amounts of money I used to do to help out. So no I am not unwilling to admit I could do more to help I actually can't do more to help.

I know I do more than a lot of people and I need to stop.

It's fine, really. We all justify why we can't do more so that we can be detached.

sparks82
09-08-2016, 05:04 PM
It's fine, really. We all justify why we can't do more so that we can be detached.

Except that's not what I did but ok. Think what you want. I don't really care. I know what I have done, what I continue to do.

sandsjames
09-08-2016, 05:18 PM
Except that's not what I did but ok. Think what you want. I don't really care. I know what I have done, what I continue to do.


Yep...me too...there's nothing more I can do because I need everything that I have. We get used to living a certain lifestyle and we don't want to give it up. There is no shame in it and you don't need to keep trying to justify your choices. Now enjoy your next $15 meal at Burger King when $15 is enough to make at least 5 or 6 complete meals if you shop for the right stuff. We've all got "extra" money, but we have it marked for something. It's normal, and I'm not criticizing you.