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Rusty Jones
09-02-2016, 03:39 PM
It's no secret that the majority of the military leans right. But... combine that with the bravado that's inherent in serving in the military, and the results are pretty scary.

The "Popular Military" Facebook group posted this article:

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/14222340_992394547553143_5870789097274247109_n.jpg ?efg=eyJpIjoiYiJ9&oh=7e1bd5e8709fa2d6d061564cb613cdec&oe=584610D4

The victim was 71 years old; and the article doesn't even show photos of the victims or say their names. Clearly, we don't know what race the victims were. That didn't stop the following comments from being made:

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/14184565_992394737553124_667028903784727793_n.jpg? efg=eyJpIjoiYiJ9&oh=d60678163408c693820cda440c019cd0&oe=58813034

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/14199612_992394920886439_3694098419252984253_n.jpg ?efg=eyJpIjoiYiJ9&oh=39d9d6fb2a05fb576138f63df73878ff&oe=583F4A08

Now the two above are pretty interesting. Look at how the commenter got 11 likes. Somebody calls him out, and he has zero likes. The commenter replies back and gets six likes.

Rusty Jones
09-02-2016, 03:39 PM
Here's more:

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/14233023_992395024219762_8985128091722981802_n.jpg ?efg=eyJpIjoiYiJ9&oh=8bab02fbe395912c157b8837f435ac3e&oe=58846EF7

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/14199221_992395337553064_8350988241153964948_n.jpg ?efg=eyJpIjoiYiJ9&oh=408a11a041d329e7822191644cc44adb&oe=5838DEAB

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/14141903_992395454219719_7358113859662392497_n.jpg ?efg=eyJpIjoiYiJ9&oh=9e4cb1fa2a0e5083bd8eea8d1f05387c&oe=583BB1E8

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/14224915_992395774219687_4592053481684853519_n.jpg ?efg=eyJpIjoiYiJ9&oh=031e4dd06d923b227c7a56bb63bef57c&oe=584DB47A

Granted, you're going to see stuff like this everywhere you go on facebook. However... military groups seem to be more saturated with it, with very few - if anyone - calling them out.

Army and Marine Corps pages tend to be the worst. Marine Corps pages tend to have the most vile comments of the two services; however, they're also more likely to get called out than on Army pages.

I want to point out that, if I agree with only one thing that's being said by the commenters (and I only DO agree with ONE thing); it's that the carjacker needs to face justice. But that's it.

Sparks82 said something to me about thinking that everyone is out to get the black men (which I've neither said, nor implied), but I'm gonna need her to consider this: I'm 36 years old, and I can only count on one hand the number of times someone has either said something blatantly racist to my face or knowingly said it in my presence. But it's all over the internet.

What does this mean? That the very same people posting this stuff on facebook are the very same people who smile in my face and are very congenial during daily casual interaction. Any one of my white friends or coworkers (and, yes, I say friends - because if you look at some of these profiles, they have black friends who likely aren't aware of what's going on) could be saying or thinking these things; and I have no way of knowing who they are, other than finding out inadvertantly.

Pretty scary thought, isn't it?

Rainmaker
09-02-2016, 04:44 PM
What does this mean?

It means that anger is finally boiling over, after decades of rampant black on white crime, blacks constantly playing the race card and making obviously untrue BS accusations of racism, the media blaming it all on whites and worst of all...... Self-loathing, white progs who keep screaming that everyone else is just supposed to continue tolerating this crap or else they're a bunch of far right, red neck racists.

Rusty Jones
09-02-2016, 04:52 PM
Anyone else besides Rainmaker? Hell, I'll even take WJ5 doing more than hiding behind "likes" on Rainmaker's comments.

sandsjames
09-02-2016, 06:02 PM
Anyone else besides Rainmaker? Hell, I'll even take WJ5 doing more than hiding behind "likes" on Rainmaker's comments.


It's disgusting, but I don't think it means anything different than anywhere else. These posts could have been on any Youtube comment section or online gaming comment section.

As far as what it means to the people who smile to your face and make these comments behind your back, I'm pretty sure it goes both ways. I'm sure that when the black guys I work with get together with their buddies, they aren't as cordial as they are when they are forced to be.

Bos Mutus
09-02-2016, 06:13 PM
Anyone else besides Rainmaker? Hell, I'll even take WJ5 doing more than hiding behind "likes" on Rainmaker's comments.

Are you looking for affirmation on your suspicion that racism exists?

Sure.

Whether or not its more common in the military than in general population, I'm not so sure about.

Yes, I've heard military members say racist things when it's just us white guys around that they wouldn't say in a mixed group, but I think you might be overestimating the general population. Overall, I like to believe most of us are educated beyond that moreso than the general population.

Rusty Jones
09-02-2016, 06:29 PM
It's disgusting, but I don't think it means anything different than anywhere else. These posts could have been on any Youtube comment section or online gaming comment section.

True, but with the rise of the alt-right, there's going to be a disproportionate impact on the military.


As far as what it means to the people who smile to your face and make these comments behind your back, I'm pretty sure it goes both ways. I'm sure that when the black guys I work with get together with their buddies, they aren't as cordial as they are when they are forced to be.

That's probably only true at work, but not in general. For example, if you went to the bar with a black friend and had a couple drinks and discussed race; I can assure you, everything he's said in the absence of whites, he's saying in your presence too. The only exception to that would probably be the promotion of Afrocentric Revisionism (which Buddy Holly was alluding to with the "we wuz kangz" hashtag) - and I can't really estimate how many African Americans actually believe in that stuff, because the ones who don't... appear to be afraid to speak up (I'm one of the few who are not).

Rusty Jones
09-02-2016, 07:03 PM
Are you looking for affirmation on your suspicion that racism exists?

Sure.

Whether or not its more common in the military than in general population, I'm not so sure about.

As I've said earlier, the majority of the military is conservative. This means that the rise of the alt-right is going to a have a disproportionate effect on the military.


Yes, I've heard military members say racist things when it's just us white guys around that they wouldn't say in a mixed group, but I think you might be overestimating the general population. Overall, I like to believe most of us are educated beyond that moreso than the general population.

You can't college-educate your way out of racism. I think that "educated beyond the general population" would depend on how you look at it anyway. For example, there may be a lower percentage of high school dropouts in the military; but if I had to place a bet, I'd say there's a lower percentage of PhD's too. And there are probably VERY FEW officers in the military who earned their bachelor's degrees from schools that are more prestigious than the service academies. I only know of two: when I was on the USS STOUT (DDG 55), we had a Harvard grad and an MIT grad (why the FUCK they would go active duty military with those kinds of degrees boggles my mind).

Bos Mutus
09-02-2016, 07:13 PM
As I've said earlier, the majority of the military is conservative. This means that the rise of the alt-right is going to a have a disproportionate effect on the military.

Perhaps.


You can't college-educate your way out of racism. I think that "educated beyond the general population" would depend on how you look at it anyway. For example, there may be a lower percentage of high school dropouts in the military; but if I had to place a bet, I'd say there's a lower percentage of PhD's too. And there are probably VERY FEW officers in the military who earned their bachelor's degrees from schools that are more prestigious than the service academies. I only know of two: when I was on the USS STOUT (DDG 55), we had a Harvard grad and an MIT grad (why the FUCK they would go active duty military with those kinds of degrees boggles my mind).

I wasn't necessarily thinking academic education...but education in living and working in a more diverse community, being exposed to different people etc. whereas civilians are more likely to stay in the same community they grew up in and not encounter other kinds of people...or to be in more segregated communities

Mjölnir
09-02-2016, 07:15 PM
Granted, you're going to see stuff like this everywhere you go on facebook. However... military groups seem to be more saturated with it, with very few - if anyone - calling them out.
Army and Marine Corps pages tend to be the worst. Marine Corps pages tend to have the most vile comments of the two services; however, they're also more likely to get called out than on Army pages.

I want to point out that, if I agree with only one thing that's being said by the commenters (and I only DO agree with ONE thing); it's that the carjacker needs to face justice. But that's it.

Some of the comments are racist, several of the comments don't really have anything to do with race or racism:

OOHRAH

Seven shots into that Marine just pissed him off.

Semper Fi and get well soon.


Sparks82 said something to me about thinking that everyone is out to get the black men (which I've neither said, nor implied), but I'm gonna need her to consider this: I'm 36 years old, and I can only count on one hand the number of times someone has either said something blatantly racist to my face or knowingly said it in my presence. But it's all over the internet.

I don't think you have ever directly said that, implied ... maybe.

You are right, people (in general) are much less 'filtered' on the internet than they are publically


What does this mean? That the very same people posting this stuff on facebook are the very same people who smile in my face and are very congenial during daily casual interaction. Any one of my white friends or coworkers (and, yes, I say friends - because if you look at some of these profiles, they have black friends who likely aren't aware of what's going on) could be saying or thinking these things; and I have no way of knowing who they are, other than finding out inadvertantly.

I think you would find that some people who are congenial to your face are probably racists. I think I would find the same thing that there are probably black people who are congenial at work but have anti-white views, or people who are polite to me because I am the XO but really don't like me.

I don't know if the groups you are looking at are really representative of the (current) military. I see much of what you talk about on social media ... I note that many who post questionable content are not currently in the military, some are veterans of recent service ... some have pretty dated DD214's. The social media groups I belong to are probably not a good cross service of the military (USMC Recon associated, infantry, special operations) but I don't see any like this. I saw a lot of discussion on Colin Kaepernick, but none got racist, I also saw a lot ... A LOT of intelligent conversation about his right to sit during the national anthem.

So to answer your question, do I think the military is a safe haven of closeted racists? No. Do I think there are racists? Yes, some white, some black. Unlike the 60's, 70's or 80's, people can't be openly racist and walk between the raindrops in our system any longer. I think general society today is less concerned about race than when we were kids; a by product of this is that the general military population (which is a reflection of society) is less concerned about race. What I do think is that the people that are caught up on race (white and black) are far more polarized than what I remember from when I was a kid; people either thinking that every slight or bad deal is based on their race or an effort to promote equality/diversity.

Rainmaker
09-02-2016, 08:02 PM
True, but with the rise of the alt-right, there's going to be a disproportionate impact on the military.



What you mean youtube? Ruh Roh Shaggy. Don't look now...But, It's another vast "alt-right" conspiracy against the old hag.

We better shut down anonymous comment sections, for the sake of the Chilluns.

It's amazing how blacks get themselves buffaloed time and time again by the Clintons.

sandsjames
09-02-2016, 10:23 PM
What you mean youtube? Ruh Roh Shaggy. Don't look now...But, It's another vast "alt-right" conspiracy against the old hag.

We better shut down anonymous comment sections, for the sake of the Chilluns.

It's amazing how blacks get themselves buffaloed time and time again by the Clintons.

Do you even try to be coherent anymore?

Bos Mutus
09-02-2016, 10:34 PM
These posts could have been on any Youtube comment section or online gaming comment section.

I sometimes wonder how much of that crap is genuine racism or just trolling to get a rise outta people.

...same with the endless, not funny anymore, "go make me a sammich" comments about women.

Rainmaker
09-02-2016, 10:35 PM
Do you even try to be coherent anymore?

Shouldn't you be getting your Kapernick Jersey, pig socks and fake afro wig ready for opening kickoff?

sandsjames
09-02-2016, 10:36 PM
Shouldn't you be getting your Kapernick Jersey and fake afro wig ready for opening kickoff?

They played last night so, no, I'm good. Shouldn't you be getting your robe and hood ready for the long weekend?

MikeKerriii
09-05-2016, 06:04 AM
Anyone else besides Rainmaker? Hell, I'll even take WJ5 doing more than hiding behind "likes" on Rainmaker's comments.
It is a few cowardly jackasses venting on line. It doesn't mean much, that ti ype tends to be as impotent funtional as the are cowardly. Lolosers who need to make excuses to make them feel superior in their inferiority.

MikeKerriii
09-05-2016, 06:07 AM
True, but with the rise of the alt-right, there's going to be a disproportionate impact on the military.. the problem the ALT-RIGHT hass is that they are too usually both too damned stupid and too arrogant to hide the mental infirmities for long, then they are shown the door Their intrinsic cowardice doesn't encourage them to join the mitary, and they would not be alt-right unless they were cowards



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WILDJOKER5
09-06-2016, 11:13 AM
Is this like how gangs are becoming more and more prominent in the military? How blacks and latinos are joining the Army and Marines to get training and take it back home to the streets?

WILDJOKER5
09-06-2016, 11:16 AM
Can someone show me this "alt-right" thing people keep putting up there? Is this the left's projection on to the right for what the left is doing with embracing BLM and the NBPs so they make up the right's boogie man of racism that isn't to be seen?

sandsjames
09-06-2016, 12:18 PM
Can someone show me this "alt-right" thing people keep putting up there? Is this the left's projection on to the right for what the left is doing with embracing BLM and the NBPs so they make up the right's boogie man of racism that isn't to be seen?If you aren't familiar with the "alt-right" you are probably part of it. Pretty much just a slightly more "extreme" tea party, IMO.

Rainmaker
09-06-2016, 02:09 PM
Is this the left's projection on to the right for what the left is doing with embracing BLM and the NBPs so they make up the right's boogie man of racism that isn't to be seen?

It's the new catch-all phrase being used to describe anyone who doesn't roll over for the progressive agenda. Screaming "racist" wasn't working anymore.

Mjölnir
09-06-2016, 02:11 PM
Can someone show me this "alt-right" thing people keep putting up there? Is this the left's projection on to the right for what the left is doing with embracing BLM and the NBPs so they make up the right's boogie man of racism that isn't to be seen?

"Alt-right" is generally referring to a segment of alternative to mainstream conservatism that has grown in popularity / size / significance. Many are linking the alt-right to Donald Trump. A fairly prolific writer often associated with the Alt-Right is Jared Taylor.

Also, "Alt-Left" is referring to a brand of progressivism that some view as regressive on some fronts (more divisive racial themes vice integrated).

Both the Alt-Right and Alt Left tend to ignore factual data that does not support their ideology, both resort to overt generalization of the issues and opponents to fit a narrative.

sandsjames
09-06-2016, 02:56 PM
The Alt-Right is a fringe political group who spouts racism and xenophobia under the guise of being "non-PC".

Rainmaker
09-06-2016, 03:48 PM
Are the US Dietary Guidelines on Milk RACIST?

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2016/08/latest-damning-study-about-milk-nuts


Why does a Cow's Milk gotta come out WHITE??!!

WILDJOKER5
09-06-2016, 07:20 PM
If you aren't familiar with the "alt-right" you are probably part of it. Pretty much just a slightly more "extreme" tea party, IMO.

Oh, are they the ones rioting and looting and calling for dead cops?

WILDJOKER5
09-06-2016, 07:24 PM
"Alt-right" is generally referring to a segment of alternative to mainstream conservatism that has grown in popularity / size / significance. Many are linking the alt-right to Donald Trump. A fairly prolific writer often associated with the Alt-Right is Jared Taylor.

Also, "Alt-Left" is referring to a brand of progressivism that some view as regressive on some fronts (more divisive racial themes vice integrated).

Both the Alt-Right and Alt Left tend to ignore factual data that does not support their ideology, both resort to overt generalization of the issues and opponents to fit a narrative.

So, "alt-left" is just and democrat or liberal and someone trying to say there is some sort of "moderate" democrat out there which isn't racial flame baiting or socialist/communist?

And the "alt-right" is the boogie man that no one can actually point to and say "here he is". I mean, even calling Trump "alt-right" is based off sheer lies about what hes said.

WILDJOKER5
09-06-2016, 07:26 PM
The Alt-Right is a fringe political group who spouts racism and xenophobia under the guise of being "non-PC".

So you can point to something specific they have said that was racist or xenophobic right? If Trump is their leader, I am sure he's said at least one thing right?

sandsjames
09-06-2016, 07:35 PM
So you can point to something specific they have said that was racist or xenophobic right?

If Trump is their leader, I am sure he's said at least one thing right?

I could list several things (bans/walls/rapists/American born judges) but you (his supporters) will justify them as not being racist/xenophobic comments so the argument will go nowhere, as usual.

sandsjames
09-06-2016, 07:37 PM
Oh, are they the ones rioting and looting and calling for dead cops?

Ummm...no...they aren't. Did I say they were? You do realize that there are extremes on both sides, right? Of course you do...you're not an idiot.

WILDJOKER5
09-06-2016, 07:50 PM
I could list several things (bans/walls/rapists/American born judges) but you (his supporters) will justify them as not being racist/xenophobic comments so the argument will go nowhere, as usual.

No, you can list projections. I am not a supporter of Trump, I am actually very outspoken against him. I hate Trump, but I hate the left even more. I wont vote for Trump. I am objectionable on this.

Maybe it was him calling the latino voters "taco bowls" that was racist right, I give you that one.

Or maybe making fun of "LaQueenia" as a black ladies name.

WILDJOKER5
09-06-2016, 07:53 PM
Ummm...no...they aren't. Did I say they were? You do realize that there are extremes on both sides, right? Of course you do...you're not an idiot.

Oh, the extremes of the right that are playing the knockout game against 80 yo white people?

Or do you mean those extremist who invite the fathers of someone who shoots up a gay night club and supports the Taliban to their speaking engagement?

sandsjames
09-06-2016, 07:54 PM
No, you can list projections. Way to prove the point.

WILDJOKER5
09-06-2016, 07:56 PM
Way to prove the point.

That I am not a trump supporter and I can be objectionable on this topic? Sorry, but you don't win any of the undecideds who can think for themselves with false narratives and lies.

sandsjames
09-06-2016, 08:00 PM
Oh, the extremes of the right that are playing the knockout game against 80 yo white people? Nope...those are the ones on the left. The ones on the right are the ones punching people in the face as they are escorted out of a Trump convention. Yeah, don't pretend you didn't see it.


Or do you mean those extremist who invite the fathers of someone who shoots up a gay night club and supports the Taliban to their speaking engagement?The ones who openly supported that night club being shot up because it was full of gays...those are the ones on the right.

Don't be afraid to admit there are extreme left and extreme right...

sandsjames
09-06-2016, 08:04 PM
That I am not a trump supporter and I can be objectionable on this topic? Sorry, but you don't win any of the undecideds who can think for themselves with false narratives and lies.Which false narratives? Again, that's just proving the point. Those who agree with the narrative will say it's on the nose and those who disagree with it will call it a false narrative. Another impasse.

Rusty Jones
09-06-2016, 10:33 PM
So you can point to something specific they have said that was racist or xenophobic right?

If you ask this question, you're a racist and a xenophobe. The only reason you ask this, is so that you can try to dismiss anything anyone tells you.

Rusty Jones
09-06-2016, 10:37 PM
Nope...those are the ones on the left.

Are you sure about that? I don't recall anyone who has ever punched a random elderly white person stating what their political affiliation is. Or even if they vote at all (which I highly doubt).

sandsjames
09-07-2016, 01:31 AM
Are you sure about that? Not completely sure, but the videos of the knock out game all show young black men and last I could tell from the party that blacks vote for, they are on the left. The political affiliation has nothing to do with it, but I'd be willing to bet that they all vote democrat if, as you say, they vote.

Rusty Jones
09-07-2016, 11:52 AM
Not completely sure, but the videos of the knock out game all show young black men and last I could tell from the party that blacks vote for, they are on the left. The political affiliation has nothing to do with it, but I'd be willing to bet that they all vote democrat if, as you say, they vote.

You'd be surprised as to why many of them don't vote. Here's a partial list of the reasons why:

-they believe that both parties are the same
-they believe that presidents are predetermined, either by other people in the government, or the "Illuminati"
-they believe that nothing is going to change, no matter who is in office
-while they may never vote Republican, they believe that public assistance programs benefit minority women at the expense of minority men
-and, of course, many simply don't care or even follow politics in the first place. I highly doubt that a young man who punched an elderly woman in the face is going to care about "free college" when he probably dropped out of his free high school.

WILDJOKER5
09-07-2016, 01:11 PM
Nope...those are the ones on the left. The ones on the right are the ones punching people in the face as they are escorted out of a Trump convention. Yeah, don't pretend you didn't see it.Ah, the one in few hundred thousand. Those are the people to be worried about? Isnt that right RJ, .0001% of the right is your greatest fear? The ones denounced by Trump?


The ones who openly supported that night club being shot up because it was full of gays...those are the ones on the right.

Don't be afraid to admit there are extreme left and extreme right...
Ok, the talkers. I do admit there are "extremes" on both sides, I am just trying to see what is so scary about the alt-right that has RJ so worked up about. Seems like it is all a distraction to say "see, they are doing it too" when the leftist "normal" groups are rioting, fighting, shooting, looting, and killing. But hey, there are one in a thousand of the supposed right who are not backed or condoned by any candidate who are expressing in words, not actions, what someone of the left has done.

WILDJOKER5
09-07-2016, 01:28 PM
Which false narratives? Again, that's just proving the point. Those who agree with the narrative will say it's on the nose and those who disagree with it will call it a false narrative. Another impasse.

So the world is black and white with you?

WILDJOKER5
09-07-2016, 01:30 PM
If you ask this question, you're a racist and a xenophobe. The only reason you ask this, is so that you can try to dismiss anything anyone tells you.

Way to be ambiguous and disingenuous. No facts, just accusations.

Rusty Jones
09-07-2016, 01:35 PM
Way to be ambiguous and disingenuous. No facts, just accusations.

Dude, get the fuck outta here with that shit. You've heard all the specific racist shit that he's said and done being pointed out for over a year now. After all of this, if you're still challenging people to tell you something racist that he's said or done... then you're simply one racist defending another.

WILDJOKER5
09-07-2016, 01:57 PM
Dude, get the fuck outta here with that shit. You've heard all the specific racist shit that he's said and done being pointed out for over a year now. After all of this, if you're still challenging people to tell you something racist that he's said or done... then you're simply one racist defending another.

And every single one of the accusations have been debunked.

1)Mexican and Illegals aren't a race.
2)Muslim isn't a race.
3)He has been specific about Illegal immigrants vs LEGAL immigrants.
4)Any thing said about a woman is a specific person, not all women generically.


If this is how you want to play, then if you are still supporting Killary, you too must be a liar, cheater, corrupt, a shill for the top .01%, and a murderer. If I have to explain myself again, then you're simple one just as much as she is.

Rusty Jones
09-07-2016, 02:15 PM
And every single one of the accusations have been debunked.

1)Mexican and Illegals aren't a race.
2)Muslim isn't a race.
3)He has been specific about Illegal immigrants vs LEGAL immigrants.
4)Any thing said about a woman is a specific person, not all women generically.


Yep, this pretty much proves that you're racist.


If this is how you want to play, then if you are still supporting Killary, you too must be a liar, cheater, corrupt, a shill for the top .01%, and a murderer. If I have to explain myself again, then you're simple one just as much as she is.

Right, because Trump isn't any of those things; right?

WILDJOKER5
09-07-2016, 02:20 PM
Yep, this pretty much proves that you're racist.Shows that your argument against him is so weak, you have to lie and make shit up. I at least will say I wont vote for him cause I think he is still a liberal as he has been when he donated to the Clinton foundation 8+ years ago. I don't trust what he says he will do nor do I trust he is right for the country.


Right, because Trump isn't any of those things; right?
He might be, he is a liberal after all.

Rainmaker
09-07-2016, 02:21 PM
Yep, this pretty much proves that you're racist.



Right, because Trump isn't any of those things; right?

DONALD TRUMP
HEAD NIGGA IN CHARGE, TRUMP ORGANIZATION
POLITICALLY INCORRECT AS A MOTHER FUCKER
AiN'T GOT TIME FOR NO BULLSHIT
HONESTLY FUCK YOUR QUESTIONS
GIVES ZERO FUCKS EXCEPT 1 FOR AMERICA
CHINA AND MEXICO CAN SUCK HIS DICK
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.
VOTE EARLY. VOTE OFTEN
TRUMP 2016

sandsjames
09-07-2016, 02:24 PM
Ah, the one in few hundred thousand. Those are the people to be worried about? Isnt that right RJ, .0001% of the right is your greatest fear? The ones denounced by Trump?


Ok, the talkers. I do admit there are "extremes" on both sides, I am just trying to see what is so scary about the alt-right that has RJ so worked up about. Seems like it is all a distraction to say "see, they are doing it too" when the leftist "normal" groups are rioting, fighting, shooting, looting, and killing. But hey, there are one in a thousand of the supposed right who are not backed or condoned by any candidate who are expressing in words, not actions, what someone of the left has done.

Yes, the .0001%...about the same number that commits voter fraud. No biggy...nothing to see here.

sandsjames
09-07-2016, 02:26 PM
So the world is black and white with you?

Not at all...it's exactly the opposite. It's a very small number on the extremes of both sides, but they are there, and to claim otherwise is naïve and ignorant. The biggest problem is that the two extremes are the most vocal and the most publicized.

sandsjames
09-07-2016, 02:28 PM
And every single one of the accusations have been debunked.

1)Mexican and Illegals aren't a race.
2)Muslim isn't a race.
3)He has been specific about Illegal immigrants vs LEGAL immigrants.
4)Any thing said about a woman is a specific person, not all women generically.


Typical semantics.

sandsjames
09-07-2016, 02:34 PM
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/sep/6/cal-state-university-la-offers-segregated-housing-/

WTF? I guess "progressive" now means reverting to the 1960s? Way to prepare people for real life.

Rusty Jones
09-07-2016, 02:40 PM
Shows that your argument against him is so weak, you have to lie and make shit up. I at least will say I wont vote for him cause I think he is still a liberal as he has been when he donated to the Clinton foundation 8+ years ago. I don't trust what he says he will do nor do I trust he is right for the country.

Lie and make shit up? I didn't make anything up: he said those things live on TV, for the whole world to see and hear. Trust me: if I was the one who made all that shit up, I'd be a very rich man right now.

The semantics game you're trying to play doesn't change any of that. He said the hateful things that he said, and people are going to vote accordingly. You arguing technicalities won't change any of that.


He might be, he is a liberal after all.

Eh, no. With economic and fiscal policies that favor the 1% at the expense of the 99% and his numerous hate-filled speeches, by definition, he can't be liberal. Being liberal requires tolerance. Conservatism does not.

Rainmaker
09-07-2016, 02:51 PM
Typical semantics.

We're not Anti Semantics.

But, when 2% of a population seizes control of a nation's financial systems, higher education industry, media, movies, its congress (through campaign donations), the Federal Court system and most of its Largest corporations. Then it stands to reason that they'll start wielding a disproportionate influence in the affairs of that country and in its citizen's lives.

Many of these people are even dual citizens with their loyalty primarily being to a Foreign state (Israel). We'd be saying the same thing even if they were pasty Brits. Nomsayin?

WILDJOKER5
09-07-2016, 02:53 PM
Typical semantics.

No, very different than being a racist. Why is all of latin America and all of Muslim countries allowed to enforce their border laws, but when someone in the US campaigns on the notion of doing the exact same thing, they are called "racist"? And its not "semantics" when you are distinguishing between "illegal" and "legal". That's like saying its "semantic" that a 30 yo guy had sex with a 12 yo vs a 18 yo.

Bos Mutus
09-07-2016, 03:03 PM
But, when 2% of a population seizes control of a nation's financial systems, higher education industry, media, movies, its congress (through campaign donations), the Federal Court system and most of its Largest corporations.

Its because of their work ethic.

WILDJOKER5
09-07-2016, 03:11 PM
Lie and make shit up? I didn't make anything up: he said those things live on TV, for the whole world to see and hear. Trust me: if I was the one who made all that shit up, I'd be a very rich man right now.

The semantics game you're trying to play doesn't change any of that. He said the hateful things that he said, and people are going to vote accordingly. You arguing technicalities won't change any of that.Just because facts show you in a negative light, doesn't mean its "hate filled". Calling a rapist a rapist isn't hate filled. Quoting the CDC stats that black men between 18-35 are more likely to die by being shot by other black men isn't hate filled. Just as saying more whites are on welfare overall isn't hate filled. 80% of women and children coming in illegally from mexico are raped by Mexicans, is that hate speech? If it is, go find your padded safe space and plug your ears cause the truth is no more hate filled than the air you breath. Its not semantics, its facts.



Eh, no. With economic and fiscal policies that favor the 1% at the expense of the 99% and his numerous hate-filled speeches, by definition, he can't be liberal. Being liberal requires tolerance. Conservatism does not.
You do know that the democrats in office most of their lives are rich off of being political tools right? They make $174k a year, but are worth hundreds of millions. Pelosi, Clintons, Reid, Boxer, etc. Even Bernie sanders, who didn't work until he was 40, is rich off being a politician. The right has people in office who were rich before they became politicians. They started their own businesses. They ran a company. They invented things.

BTW, Hillary has received over a million dollars from wall street where as Trump in under $50k. So, keep trying to blame one side for doing what the left is doing, show your bias even more.

Rainmaker
09-07-2016, 03:23 PM
Its because of their work ethic.


It's a contributing factor. Along with strong networking and High IQ and a belief in their own inherent supremacy .

However, The evidence also strongly points to collusionary actions. Which can't even be openly discussed, due to their monopoly on our institutions I listed above.

Imagine the outrage there'd be if 2% of some other ethnic group ( say dual citizen Chinese or Russians) effectively gained control of our foreign and domestic policy.

Rusty Jones
09-07-2016, 03:45 PM
Just because facts show you in a negative light, doesn't mean its "hate filled". Calling a rapist a rapist isn't hate filled.

But calling Mexicans rapists IS.


Quoting the CDC stats that black men between 18-35 are more likely to die by being shot by other black men isn't hate filled.

Funny, because I don't recall Trump ever saying this. Throwing some of your own in there, I see? By the way, whites are more likely to be killed by whites too. In fact, EVERYONE is more likely to be killed by someone of the same race than someone of a difference race.

So... if you're just going to single out blacks for this, then yes, it IS hate filled.



Just as saying more whites are on welfare overall isn't hate filled.

No, because it's usually said in rebuttal to associating minorities with welfare.


80% of women and children coming in illegally from mexico are raped by Mexicans, is that hate speech?

Reference, please.


If it is, go find your padded safe space and plug your ears cause the truth is no more hate filled than the air you breath. Its not semantics, its facts.

Nope, it's still semantics. And whether it's semantics or fact, the motive behind the statements - not the statements themselves - is indicative of racism.


You do know that the democrats in office most of their lives are rich off of being political tools right? They make $174k a year, but are worth hundreds of millions. Pelosi, Clintons, Reid, Boxer, etc. Even Bernie sanders, who didn't work until he was 40, is rich off being a politician. The right has people in office who were rich before they became politicians. They started their own businesses. They ran a company. They invented things.

BTW, Hillary has received over a million dollars from wall street where as Trump in under $50k. So, keep trying to blame one side for doing what the left is doing, show your bias even more.

You act as if I said that something was wrong with being rich. I didn't. I said that there was something wrong with making laws that benefit the rich as the expense of everyone else. And that's what Trump - and conservatives in general, since Reagan - is doing.

WILDJOKER5
09-07-2016, 04:20 PM
But calling Mexicans rapists IS.He didn't say Mexicans are rapist. He Mexico isn't sending us their best, they are sending rapist, and murders. See, this is where you lie. You omit what was actually said and generalize.


Funny, because I don't recall Trump ever saying this. Throwing some of your own in there, I see? By the way, whites are more likely to be killed by whites too. In fact, EVERYONE is more likely to be killed by someone of the same race than someone of a difference race.Whites between 18-35 aren't dying the most by being shot by other whites vs every other forms of death that can be determined. This is what is happening in the black communities that democrats have ran for almost 60 years now.


So... if you're just going to single out blacks for this, then yes, it IS hate filled.Its the leading cause of death in blacks between 18-35.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/10/leading-cause-of-death-young-black-men-homicide_n_3049209.html


No, because it's usually said in rebuttal to associating minorities with welfare.
So you agree, facts, whether positive or negative aren't inherently hate filled.


Reference, please.
I love how these references are coming from Huffpo just for you.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/12/central-america-migrants-rape_n_5806972.html


Nope, it's still semantics. And whether it's semantics or fact, the motive behind the statements - not the statements themselves - is indicative of racism.You got the ability of mind reader now? Funny how you concede that they can be facts, but still cry racism because otherwise you have zero legs to stand on in this debate. But hey, I guess in your mind, interventions are "hate filled" as well right?


You act as if I said that something was wrong with being rich. I didn't. I said that there was something wrong with making laws that benefit the rich as the expense of everyone else. And that's what Trump - and conservatives in general, since Reagan - is doing.
Ah, no. That's what progressives have done since Lincoln. Hell, Obama has made many of the wealthiest people richer while the ones who've suffered the most have been blacks. Again, you are putting all the blame under one party, while it has been BOTH for much longer than you care to admit.

Rusty Jones
09-07-2016, 05:10 PM
He didn't say Mexicans are rapist. He Mexico isn't sending us their best, they are sending rapist, and murders. See, this is where you lie. You omit what was actually said and generalize.

I'm lying? Sorry, bud. You lied again. Trump said those in two different speeches that were made a year apart. The latter being said because he's trying to move to the middle since winning the nomination, while simultaneously trying to give the appearance that he's sticking to his guns.


Whites between 18-35 aren't dying the most by being shot by other whites vs every other forms of death that can be determined. This is what is happening in the black communities that democrats have ran for almost 60 years now.

Its the leading cause of death in blacks between 18-35.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/10/leading-cause-of-death-young-black-men-homicide_n_3049209.html

This article did not give the stats on whites, it does not give the amount of murders that are black on black, and you know something else? It only discusses black men age 18-24 in the southern counties of Florida.

You're gonna need something a bit better than that, WJ5.


So you agree, facts, whether positive or negative aren't inherently hate filled.

You got the ability of mind reader now? Funny how you concede that they can be facts, but still cry racism because otherwise you have zero legs to stand on in this debate. But hey, I guess in your mind, interventions are "hate filled" as well right?

Again, it depends on the motive behind them. If you tell a retarded man that he's retarded, it may be true... but you were still doing it out of malevolence.


I love how these references are coming from Huffpo just for you.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/12/central-america-migrants-rape_n_5806972.html

So this supports what Trump said about Mexicans coming to the states being rapists? According to this very article:

" Rape can be perpetrated by anyone along the way, including guides, fellow migrants, bandits or government officials, according to Fusion. Sometimes sex is used as a form of payment, when women and girls don’t have money to pay bribes."

You lose again, WJ5.


Ah, no. That's what progressives have done since Lincoln.

Nope, there was no "trickle down economics" before Reagan.


Hell, Obama has made many of the wealthiest people richer while the ones who've suffered the most have been blacks.

The black people who are suffering are really suffering from the reaction to a black man being in office. Black people are being punished for it. Remember all these companies, like Papa John's and Denny's talking about raising prices and cutting wages in reaction to Obamacare? When, let's face it: if their issue with Obama wasn't personal, they could've kept quiet on their price in increases. No one would have noticed a 33 cent price increased on a $12 menu item if they kept their mouths shut.


Again, you are putting all the blame under one party, while it has been BOTH for much longer than you care to admit.

With different motives and intended results.

sparks82
09-07-2016, 05:59 PM
Here's more:

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/14233023_992395024219762_8985128091722981802_n.jpg ?efg=eyJpIjoiYiJ9&oh=8bab02fbe395912c157b8837f435ac3e&oe=58846EF7

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/14199221_992395337553064_8350988241153964948_n.jpg ?efg=eyJpIjoiYiJ9&oh=408a11a041d329e7822191644cc44adb&oe=5838DEAB

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/14141903_992395454219719_7358113859662392497_n.jpg ?efg=eyJpIjoiYiJ9&oh=9e4cb1fa2a0e5083bd8eea8d1f05387c&oe=583BB1E8

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/14224915_992395774219687_4592053481684853519_n.jpg ?efg=eyJpIjoiYiJ9&oh=031e4dd06d923b227c7a56bb63bef57c&oe=584DB47A

Granted, you're going to see stuff like this everywhere you go on facebook. However... military groups seem to be more saturated with it, with very few - if anyone - calling them out.

Army and Marine Corps pages tend to be the worst. Marine Corps pages tend to have the most vile comments of the two services; however, they're also more likely to get called out than on Army pages.

I want to point out that, if I agree with only one thing that's being said by the commenters (and I only DO agree with ONE thing); it's that the carjacker needs to face justice. But that's it.

Sparks82 said something to me about thinking that everyone is out to get the black men (which I've neither said, nor implied), but I'm gonna need her to consider this: I'm 36 years old, and I can only count on one hand the number of times someone has either said something blatantly racist to my face or knowingly said it in my presence. But it's all over the internet.

What does this mean? That the very same people posting this stuff on facebook are the very same people who smile in my face and are very congenial during daily casual interaction. Any one of my white friends or coworkers (and, yes, I say friends - because if you look at some of these profiles, they have black friends who likely aren't aware of what's going on) could be saying or thinking these things; and I have no way of knowing who they are, other than finding out inadvertantly.

Pretty scary thought, isn't it?

Or your friends could absolutely not think any of the things that other strangers are posting on the Internet. You won't know unless you're a mind reader. Shit I bet I have friends or family who talk shit about me behind my back. How will I know? I won't unless I saw their FB message or read their mind or overheard them. I have had a former friend try to tell me some bs about what people think about me but that was after I called her out on something.

I can't even see the article since I'm at work. It's all blocked out whatever you posted. But there are hateful ignorant people out there regardless of color of skin or religion or so on.

Some of your comments have implied black people are victims and people are "out to get them" no matter what the situation is. That's my perception.

People are shady and will lie to each other's faces. That's the way we work. That's how humans always have been. The only way it stops is if we live in a world like Invention of Lying.

Honestly I've noticed a shift in the political thinking in the military. I think military members are neither left or right. I think they're fed up with both sides.

WILDJOKER5
09-07-2016, 06:10 PM
I'm lying? Sorry, bud. You lied again. Trump said those in two different speeches that were made a year apart. The latter being said because he's trying to move to the middle since winning the nomination, while simultaneously trying to give the appearance that he's sticking to his guns.Citation needed. Give the full quote(s).



This article did not give the stats on whites, it does not give the amount of murders that are black on black, and you know something else? It only discusses black men age 18-24 in the southern counties of Florida.

You're gonna need something a bit better than that, WJ5.
Politifact good enough?

You don't need white deaths for those ages, cause when ever the discussion comes up about how bad cops killing blacks is, the discussion always turns to "why don't you care about black on black crime"? You've already admitted that blacks are mostly (90%) killed by other blacks.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/aug/24/juan-williams/juan-williams-no-1-cause-death-african-americans-1/


Again, it depends on the motive behind them. If you tell a retarded man that he's retarded, it may be true... but you were still doing it out of malevolence.So you are a mind reader now? If its just inferred, is it because you are racist or can I infer everything BLM says is hate filled and not be racist?


So this supports what Trump said about Mexicans coming to the states being rapists? According to this very article:

" Rape can be perpetrated by anyone along the way, including guides, fellow migrants, bandits or government officials, according to Fusion. Sometimes sex is used as a form of payment, when women and girls don’t have money to pay bribes."

You lose again, WJ5.Is sex for payment, not rape? Sparks, whats your take on this?

But yes, GUIDES, Fellow migrants, bandits (who probably cross over as well). And Gov officials cross over as well. This is more of a "rape culture" than anything the left tries to say about US universities. If there is a wall, and no more of this easy access for Mexicans to come across, wouldn't it stop all these rapes from occurring along the path?


Nope, there was no "trickle down economics" before Reagan.Ever since Lincoln got the government paying for the building of railroads, the rich got richer. And good show of how you use the lefts terminology to label and lie about the right. Just like Marx coining the term "capitalist" to describe Americas economic policy. The left love labeling things huh?


The black people who are suffering are really suffering from the reaction to a black man being in office. Black people are being punished for it. Remember all these companies, like Papa John's and Denny's talking about raising prices and cutting wages in reaction to Obamacare? When, let's face it: if their issue with Obama wasn't personal, they could've kept quiet on their price in increases. No one would have noticed a 33 cent price increased on a $12 menu item if they kept their mouths shut.Prove it. Stop with the conjecture, stop with the lies. Stop being the victim of your own making. Citation needed.

If you are saying papa johns and dennys are the only places where blacks work, or only blacks work there, then you really do have a problem with generalizations. Businesses doing what is best for the company is not racism, its the free market. No company will stand by and take a hit to their profits willingly. They aren't UNICEFT. But then again, EVERYTHING is racist in your mind....except when a leftist does it right?

Rainmaker
09-07-2016, 06:11 PM
The black people who are suffering are really suffering from the reaction to a black man being in office. Black people are being punished for it.

Blacks have received trillions in Welfare tax $, Affirmative action, Special set asides etc. etc (read reparations),.... for the last 50 years, & are now claiming "repression" due to "White Racism" and "White Privilege"...... because the majority of White people elected and reelected a BLACK President?....... Cry me a river.

The only thing these BLM idiots have succeeded in doing is turning Millions of Whites, who never had a racist bone in their body, into actual racists.

Even some of the most Liberal whites I know ....the one's that were singing Kumbaya 8 years ago, are now saying that Blacks need to STFU and get a job.

Rusty Jones
09-07-2016, 07:35 PM
Citation needed. Give the full quote(s).

My apologies, the emphasis on "not sending their best" is recent. In any case, the Mexicans who happen to be immigrants are still the ones being insulted. When you and Rainmaker talk about "black people do this, black people do that" - I don't do ANY of those things. Not sure if you or Rainmaker are aware of that, or even give two shits. In any case - here am: veteran, Air Force Reservist, have three degrees (yeah, I'm counting that CCAF that I got last week simply by transferring in all my undergrad credits), never used an illegal drug in my life (not even pot), I have three children - all of whom are born in wedlock, that I'm at home raising with my wife. I'm also GS-11 (Step 4) with the federal government.

Do you think a cop knows any of this when he sees me walking down the street? Hell, whenever I express a liberal viewpoint on facebook, I'm met with accusations of being on welfare, etc, etc.

With that being said, whether any immigrant participates in those illegal activities; they're STILL being accused of doing it and, as we all know, perception is reality, so that's how these immigrants will be treated.


Politifact good enough?

You don't need white deaths for those ages, cause when ever the discussion comes up about how bad cops killing blacks is, the discussion always turns to "why don't you care about black on black crime"? You've already admitted that blacks are mostly (90%) killed by other blacks.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/aug/24/juan-williams/juan-williams-no-1-cause-death-african-americans-1/

Are you complaining about something that people on YOUR side of the political spectrum always like to bring up? BTW, I "admitted" that people of ALL races are most likely to be murdered by someone of the same race.


So you are a mind reader now?

No, I have basic social skills. Apparently, you don't.


If its just inferred, is it because you are racist or can I infer everything BLM says is hate filled and not be racist?

Say what you want; whenever a conservative calls me, BLM, or any other person or group of people that speaks out against racism a "racist," it's nothing but gibberish to me. A conservative call anyone a racist is null and void before it even comes out of their mouths.


Is sex for payment, not rape? Sparks, whats your take on this?

Straw man. Neither I nor the article said that. You (and Donald Trump) are saying the Mexicans coming the borders the rapists. Sure, 80% of the females crossing may be victims of rape, but who's doing the raping? You and Donald Trump say it's the people crossing the border. That quote shows that it's opportunists taking advantage of people in a bad situation.


But yes, GUIDES, Fellow migrants, bandits (who probably cross over as well). And Gov officials cross over as well. This is more of a "rape culture" than anything the left tries to say about US universities. If there is a wall, and no more of this easy access for Mexicans to come across, wouldn't it stop all these rapes from occurring along the path?

LOL, "I want to build a wall in order to protect Mexican women! I care about women in Mexico, and this wall will ensure their safety!"

Yeah, okay. THAT'S why Trump wants to build the wall, and THAT'S why you agree with it... right? I don't know who or what the fuck you think I am.


Ever since Lincoln got the government paying for the building of railroads, the rich got richer. And good show of how you use the lefts terminology to label and lie about the right. Just like Marx coining the term "capitalist" to describe Americas economic policy. The left love labeling things huh?

Oh, I'm sorry - was that Reaganomics? No? Weren't the taxes far more graduated then they are now, or any point since Reagan took office? Oh, they were? Then I guess there was zero point in mentioning this.


Prove it. Stop with the conjecture, stop with the lies. Stop being the victim of your own making. Citation needed.

If you are saying papa johns and dennys are the only places where blacks work, or only blacks work there, then you really do have a problem with generalizations. Businesses doing what is best for the company is not racism, its the free market. No company will stand by and take a hit to their profits willingly. They aren't UNICEFT. But then again, EVERYTHING is racist in your mind....except when a leftist does it right?

Prove what? I'm not saying that's the only places where black people work. Of course... I'm sure that white conservatives working at these restaurants will GLADLY take a pay cut if they're convinced that the reasoning behind their pay cut has something to do with them being better than blacks and Latinos; so they don't really count. Why announce the reason for a negligible price increase unless you're trying to draw attention to it?

WILDJOKER5
09-07-2016, 08:11 PM
My apologies, the emphasis on "not sending their best" is recent. In any case, the Mexicans who happen to be immigrants are still the ones being insulted. When you and Rainmaker talk about "black people do this, black people do that" - I don't do ANY of those things. Not sure if you or Rainmaker are aware of that, or even give two shits. In any case - here am: veteran, Air Force Reservist, have three degrees (yeah, I'm counting that CCAF that I got last week simply by transferring in all my undergrad credits), never used an illegal drug in my life (not even pot), I have three children - all of whom are born in wedlock, that I'm at home raising with my wife. I'm also GS-11 (Step 4) with the federal government.Difference between Trump and RM. Trump said ILLEGAL immigrants. The legal ones are the people that know he is not talking about them. They don't like illegals as much as any normal American because they did the right and legal thing to gain citizenship, illegals don't. RM talks about all blacks, no distinguishing between middle class suburbs blacks and ghetto blacks. There is a youuuge difference.


Do you think a cop knows any of this when he sees me walking down the street? Hell, whenever I express a liberal viewpoint on facebook, I'm met with accusations of being on welfare, etc, etc.One, where would you be walking? Two, FB is full of trolls.


With that being said, whether any immigrant participates in those illegal activities; they're STILL being accused of doing it and, as we all know, perception is reality, so that's how these immigrants will be treated. Again, Trump has done on multiple occasions distinguished the difference between illegal and legal immigrants. The media and left tries to paint him as saying "all Mexicans".


Are you complaining about something that people on YOUR side of the political spectrum always like to bring up? BTW, I "admitted" that people of ALL races are most likely to be murdered by someone of the same race.Complaining about what? We were talking about how its an "ugly truth" that blacks between 15-35 were more likely to be killed by another black than any other form of death in America. Its not "hate filled", and I gave you 2 references now, both from leftist sites.


No, I have basic social skills. Apparently, you don't.No, you have assumption skills and playing the victim skills. Telling a retarded man hes retarded is not something that can be fixed or changed. Saying we need to build a wall because our southern border has rapists and murders coming across it everyday is something that can be changed or discouraged.


Say what you want; whenever a conservative calls me, BLM, or any other person or group of people that speaks out against racism a "racist," it's nothing but gibberish to me. A conservative call anyone a racist is null and void before it even comes out of their mouths.Cause you are prejudice to whites and never think blacks can be racist right? Going off the new definition of racism? Its fine, Trump is getting such a youuuge following because of people like you who always want to silence the truth because it doesn't fit your narrative.


Straw man. Neither I nor the article said that. You (and Donald Trump) are saying the Mexicans coming the borders the rapists. Sure, 80% of the females crossing may be victims of rape, but who's doing the raping? You and Donald Trump say it's the people crossing the border. That quote shows that it's opportunists taking advantage of people in a bad situation.Who are Mexicans crossing the border. Why are you leaving that out? Do you think the guides or bandits or other illegals are staying in Mexico? Everyone in the article are people who cross the border frequently.


LOL, "I want to build a wall in order to protect Mexican women! I care about women in Mexico, and this wall will ensure their safety!"Not what I said, nor Trump. Good job showing how you lie about what people say.


Yeah, okay. THAT'S why Trump wants to build the wall, and THAT'S why you agree with it... right? I don't know who or what the fuck you think I am.From what he says, he wants to build the wall for the poor who are losing jobs to people paid less than min wage under the table who also get welfare cause their child just happened to be born north of the border. These people who cross illegally are illiterate in both Spanish and English. Low skills. And every single one is a criminal who doesn't respect the laws of the nation they are trying to get to.


Oh, I'm sorry - was that Reaganomics? No? Weren't the taxes far more graduated then they are now, or any point since Reagan took office? Oh, they were? Then I guess there was zero point in mentioning this.This is a leftist term used to demonize the economic policy. But, I see how you ignored the fact that Obama has done much more for the rich than Reagan ever did.


Prove what? I'm not saying that's the only places where black people work. Of course... I'm sure that white conservatives working at these restaurants will GLADLY take a pay cut if they're convinced that the reasoning behind their pay cut has something to do with them being better than blacks and Latinos; so they don't really count. Why announce the reason for a negligible price increase unless you're trying to draw attention to it?
Back to the mind set of the early 1900's I see. How pathetic are you to think most whites no longer see people by their skin color? You do understand that it took more than half the white population to vote the people in who stopped the democrats from keep blacks from voting right?