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Rusty Jones
06-22-2016, 02:12 PM
I'm starting this new thread just for Rainmaker. He can post all of his bullshit personal issues with diversity here or, if not and you want to keep from derailing another topic while still addressing him... you can tag him here, and well... the fights... you can use this thread to "take it outside," so to speak.

Rusty Jones
06-22-2016, 02:13 PM
You should probably log off now and retreat to your safe space, before we start being divisive and your feelings get hurt.

Who is "we," Rainmaker? Are you wearing an article of clothing that happens to be alien symbiote? You're the only person here bitching about diversity all the time.

Mjölnir
06-22-2016, 02:14 PM
to the mattresses?

sandsjames
06-22-2016, 02:27 PM
Youtube has a rainbow heart next to it's logo...that's not really diversity, though...it's divisiveness. It's pointing out that it wasn't Americans who were shot and killed, it was gays. Way to go media/social media. "Gotta keep 'em separated!"

sandsjames
06-22-2016, 02:34 PM
The TV show "Gotham" has just cast Jamie Chung to play the role of Valerie Vale (the mother of Vickie Vale). I guess the trend now is to have minorities take the roles of traditionally white characters? Is this the anti "white washing" movement happening? Will Jamie Chung get the same heat for this role that the Dr Strange crew is getting for casting Tilda Swinton as "The Ancient One", a traditionally Asian character?

The question, I guess, is if it's ok to bitch about white actors playing minority characters but not ok to bitch about it when it's the other way around?

Also, Idris Elba is playing Roland in "The Dark Tower". In the book, Roland is a white guy who has interaction with a pretty big character who is a racist black woman. So not only is this casting changing the race of the character, it's changing it in a way that will actually require changes to the main storyline which, to me, is a far bigger deal than the issues with the other shows I brought up because those don't effect the story at all.

Rainmaker
06-22-2016, 02:52 PM
I'm starting this new thread just for Rainmaker. He can post all of his bullshit personal issues with diversity here or, if not and you want to keep from derailing another topic while still addressing him... you can tag him here, and well... the fights... you can use this thread to "take it outside," so to speak.


According to this administration "Diversity" in top leadership positions is "mission critical" to the military (or any organization).
It's a stated goal and top concern and a priority, therefore, bringing the topic into a discussion (about personnel reform initiatives) is in-fact relevant to the discussion and is not "derailing another topic" (whether you get tired of hearing about it or not)

Rusty Jones
06-22-2016, 03:02 PM
According to this administration "Diversity" in top leadership positions is "mission critical" to the military (or any organization).
It's a stated goal and top concern and a priority, therefore, bringing the topic into a discussion (about personnel reform initiatives) is in-fact relevant to the discussion and is not "derailing another topic" (whether you get tired of hearing about it or not)

Your issues with it are personal.

Rainmaker
06-22-2016, 03:14 PM
Your issues with it are personal.

My personal opinion does not invalidate any of my observations.

sandsjames
06-22-2016, 03:42 PM
This is how the conversation with RM goes:

Person 1: "Hey RM, what apple do you think tastes the best?"

RM: "The apple industry was created by a bunch of hippies. That tree hugging Johnny Appleseed was probably a pot smoker and was definitely a tool of the liberal environmentalist lobby."

Person 1: "Ummmm...ok...but that wasn't the question."

RM: "Jew-Fag!"

Mjölnir
06-22-2016, 05:10 PM
This is how the conversation with RM goes:

Person 1: "Hey RM, what apple do you think tastes the best?"

RM: "The apple industry was created by a bunch of hippies. That tree hugging Johnny Appleseed was probably a pot smoker and was definitely a tool of the liberal environmentalist lobby."

Person 1: "Ummmm...ok...but that wasn't the question."

RM: "Jew-Fag!"

LOL ... accurate or not that was funny ...

WILDJOKER5
06-23-2016, 02:32 PM
The TV show "Gotham" has just cast Jamie Chung to play the role of Valerie Vale (the mother of Vickie Vale). I guess the trend now is to have minorities take the roles of traditionally white characters? Is this the anti "white washing" movement happening? Will Jamie Chung get the same heat for this role that the Dr Strange crew is getting for casting Tilda Swinton as "The Ancient One", a traditionally Asian character?

The question, I guess, is if it's ok to bitch about white actors playing minority characters but not ok to bitch about it when it's the other way around?

Also, Idris Elba is playing Roland in "The Dark Tower". In the book, Roland is a white guy who has interaction with a pretty big character who is a racist black woman. So not only is this casting changing the race of the character, it's changing it in a way that will actually require changes to the main storyline which, to me, is a far bigger deal than the issues with the other shows I brought up because those don't effect the story at all.

Yeah, big hype about Johnny Storm in the new fantastic 4, whites being Egyptians in Gods of Egypt. Russell Crow playing Noah. Whites cant wear dreds, but Beyoncé can have long straight blond hair. Cultural appropriation is only bad for whites to do, but not anyone else. All of Japan appropriated western culture. Hilary wants to appropriate sharia law. But heaven forbid a white guy wearing a sombrero for Halloween or Swedish salons having a spray tan the makes you very dark.


https://youtu.be/jgOvVOw1sks?t=3m21s

Rusty Jones
06-23-2016, 02:55 PM
Yeah, big hype about Johnny Storm in the new fantastic 4, whites being Egyptians in Gods of Egypt. Russell Crow playing Noah. Whites cant wear dreds, but Beyoncé can have long straight blond hair. Cultural appropriation is only bad for whites to do, but not anyone else. All of Japan appropriated western culture. Hilary wants to appropriate sharia law. But heaven forbid a white guy wearing a sombrero for Halloween or Swedish salons having a spray tan the makes you very dark.


https://youtu.be/jgOvVOw1sks?t=3m21s

Glad to see that this thread is working for its intended purpose.

WILDJOKER5
06-23-2016, 03:08 PM
Glad to see that this thread is working for its intended purpose.

Seems like the only group that isn't allowed to be "diverse" are whites because of the social justice warriors.

Mjölnir
06-23-2016, 03:38 PM
Hard for me to word this. I am not 'against' any diversity efforts (officially or personally).

If you ask me what I am doing to "promote diversity", I am applying my full effort to provide a command environment that allows Sailors to meet their full potential regardless of sex, gender, race, religion etc. I don't favor any one race, or gender etc. over another.

I don't have an issue with the various diversity recognition months we have, obviously we can't find a way to recognize every single group that exists out there. Where I think many diversity advocates get it wrong, is that they use diversity to promote one agenda or group's agenda over another or promote diversity for the sake of diversity.

Granted, from a social perspective there are factors that go into whether someone has a better chance of success than others (education, physical prowess etc.) that some people can't control. I don't know that it is the military's jobs to level that playing field. It happens with recruitment quotas, programs like BOOST that find minority applicants who underperformed academically in High School and props them up academically to better compete for ROTC or USNA appointment ... but again, I don't know if it is our job (or should be our expense) to level that field.

Let the best people promote ahead of the others, get the appropriate jobs etc. If they all happen to be white, black, green or blue I don't care, but am smart enough to know all the leadership ended up being white males, that is bad (not that all the best guys are white males ... just an example) ... For a while in the Navy CTI field (linguists), all the E9s were Russian linguists. Where they better for some reason? Not really, in the 80's we needed a lot of RULINGs, so we had a lot, they typically were doing cool 'Cold War' ops and got good evals and awards. Then Arabic became the hot item and ARLINGs tend to populate the senior ranks more.

But, bottom line for me, I know that at levels beyond mine, that diversity in the ranks is a goal and we will execute.

Rainmaker
06-23-2016, 03:53 PM
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But, bottom line for me, I know that at levels beyond mine, that diversity in the ranks is a goal and we will execute.


It's not just a goal, it's an ideology and it permeates every decision they've made and therefore every action they've taken.

WILDJOKER5
06-23-2016, 04:03 PM
It's not just a goal, it's an ideology and it permeates every decision they've made and therefore every action they've taken.

Racism through lowered expectations. Best way liberals have of still being racist, but being able to accuse those who want a level playing field for everyone of being racist.

Rusty Jones
06-23-2016, 04:03 PM
I'm not even the type who actively promotes diversity; however... I think that the people who are so vehemently against it have some personal issues. And then, when I go on facebook, and I see that someone who is a minority and/or female becomes a four-star or is tapped to command a UCC; everyone loses their fucking minds and questions the qualifications, and then Google's the person to dig up shit that they did or didn't do throughout their careers.

But don't call them "rayciss" or misogynist. You know, because it isn't true.

WILDJOKER5
06-23-2016, 04:12 PM
Yeah, if Obama has taught us one thing, its that we shouldn't vote for people just because of their race or sex....oh yeah, that's right, liberals are still doing that with Hilary. Gee, cant wait to see how bad she makes it for America. Guess maybe its because the 4 star was tapped by liberals who focus more on gender or race over qualifications, so rational thinking people try to vet their choices before blindly following.

Mjölnir
06-23-2016, 04:14 PM
I'm not even the type who actively promotes diversity; however... I think that the people who are so vehemently against it have some personal issues.

In some / many cases yes. I also know some people who have missed opportunities that they earned (or perceived it to the be the case) in the name of diversity and carry that scar tissue and resentment that goes with it.

Crazy thing, sometimes a lesbian black female may be better at her job than a hetero white male, she should get promoted ahead of him. I do know that in some cases we are putting people in jobs because of their demographic group and I don't agree with that.

Mjölnir
06-23-2016, 04:18 PM
Yeah, if Obama has taught us one thing, its that we shouldn't vote for people just because of their race or sex....oh yeah, that's right, liberals are still doing that with Hilary.

I am fairly confident that one way or another that I will see a female President in my lifetime. I don't particularly like Hillary, but get the feeling that so many older women were so desperate to see a female President vice the right female President that they are going to fuck us all over with Hillary for the sake of history.

WILDJOKER5
06-23-2016, 04:21 PM
In some / many cases yes. I also know some people who have missed opportunities that they earned (or perceived it to the be the case) in the name of diversity and carry that scar tissue and resentment that goes with it.

Crazy thing, sometimes a lesbian black female may be better at her job than a hetero white male, she should get promoted ahead of him. I do know that in some cases we are putting people in jobs because of their demographic group and I don't agree with that.

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Lets see who "deserves" to be promoted first? But since we can just "identify" as other races and genders, can we also pick out a few other factors that shows how much more "oppressed" we are? We could be E-9 or O-10 in under a decade.

Rusty Jones
06-23-2016, 04:23 PM
I'm a Bernie Sanders supporter who intends to vote for Trump, just to punish the DNC for how they did Sanders. Oh, and the ignorant people that only vote for the "household name" instead taking the time to learn. Trust me, we weren't all going vote for Clinton.

WILDJOKER5
06-23-2016, 04:45 PM
I'm a Bernie Sanders supporter who intends to vote for Trump, just to punish the DNC for how they did Sanders. Oh, and the ignorant people that only vote for the "household name" instead taking the time to learn. Trust me, we weren't all going vote for Clinton.

Not like you voted for Obama right? You're not voting for her just cause she's a woman I bet. If it was the "household name" of Bernie, you'd vote for HIM.

Rusty Jones
06-23-2016, 05:05 PM
Not like you voted for Obama right? You're not voting for her just cause she's a woman I bet. If it was the "household name" of Bernie, you'd vote for HIM.

Okay, one of us is confused as fuck, and I don't know who it is.

Rainmaker
06-23-2016, 05:11 PM
Okay, one of us is confused as fuck, and I don't know who it is.

Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did.
– George Carlin

Mjölnir
06-23-2016, 05:16 PM
Okay, one of us is confused as fuck, and I don't know who it is.

Or maybe both ;)

garhkal
06-23-2016, 06:30 PM
Yeah, if Obama has taught us one thing, its that we shouldn't vote for people just because of their race or sex....oh yeah, that's right, liberals are still doing that with Hilary. Gee, cant wait to see how bad she makes it for America. Guess maybe its because the 4 star was tapped by liberals who focus more on gender or race over qualifications, so rational thinking people try to vet their choices before blindly following.

I agree. Diversity just for the sake of 'being pro-minority' is pure bupkis.. Diversity with a purpose (getting different minds looking at a subject etc) is good.


In some / many cases yes. I also know some people who have missed opportunities that they earned (or perceived it to the be the case) in the name of diversity and carry that scar tissue and resentment that goes with it.

Crazy thing, sometimes a lesbian black female may be better at her job than a hetero white male, she should get promoted ahead of him. I do know that in some cases we are putting people in jobs because of their demographic group and I don't agree with that.

And when that is the case, good for her. BUT often when you take the race/sex out of the equation, and just look at all the rest, you don't see anything that separates them from the others, or if it does, its lower than the others..
Case and point for SoY/SoQ/JsoQ boards.. I swear it often seems that BEING in one of those special protected minority groups, gives them bonus points..


I am fairly confident that one way or another that I will see a female President in my lifetime. I don't particularly like Hillary, but get the feeling that so many older women were so desperate to see a female President vice the right female President that they are going to fuck us all over with Hillary for the sake of history.

And i have NO problem with getting a female president. Thatcher proved a woman running things can be good.. BUT just getting one in, for the sake of saying "WE finally broke that glass barrier" is just stupid.

Mjölnir
06-23-2016, 06:56 PM
And when that is the case, good for her. BUT often when you take the race/sex out of the equation, and just look at all the rest, you don't see anything that separates them from the others, or if it does, its lower than the others..
Case and point for SoY/SoQ/JsoQ boards.. I swear it often seems that BEING in one of those special protected minority groups, gives them bonus points.

I have seen too many good people of all types in my 25 years to really agree. In my experience, I have not seen that being a female or male, black or white etc. is an indicator of being successful or unsuccessful. Nor have I seen Sailors selected for boards etc. who got bonus points for being part of a 'protected' group.

I can't say that it 100% doesn't happen, but I also can't say that 100% of the time women or blacks or homosexuals are not discriminated against either. This organization is just way to big for either to be the case.

Rusty Jones
08-29-2016, 05:25 PM
Fuck it, although it's not "diversity," why not just use this thread to post ALL of Rainmaker's racist shit?


But, like all Nordic Alpine Übermensch, Rainmaker tans pretty well and looks kind of olive skinned after 1 week's vacation in the med too!

Rainmaker
08-29-2016, 07:54 PM
Fuck it, although it's not "diversity," why not just use this thread to post ALL of Rainmaker's racist shit?


Ok, Whatever blows your skirt up. But, just to put it in the proper context it was said in response to this:


Hitler tried to pull the same shit you're pulling too