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sandsjames
05-13-2016, 04:51 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/12/opinions/political-ignorance-somin/index.html

Though this post is obviously a push for Hillary (as it blatantly leaves out anything she has said that's wrong while bringing up stuff by both Trump and Sanders, while at the same time the author in the photo is indistinguishable as a man or woman, so we'll call it "Pat") it does make a good point as to what this country is dealing with when it comes to ignorance of the political system.

How do we go about educating people? The internet won't work because of the "media bias" issue we've discussed. People will go to sites they already agree with for facts that are produced by supporters of their ideas. Main stream media doesn't work as it is nothing more than propaganda. College doesn't work as the majority of universities are so politically oriented that you'd think they are part of a super pac.

So what's the fix? Is there any hope to get the American voter educated on the things they are voting for?

WILDJOKER5
05-13-2016, 04:56 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/12/opinions/political-ignorance-somin/index.html

Though this post is obviously a push for Hillary (as it blatantly leaves out anything she has said that's wrong while bringing up stuff by both Trump and Sanders, while at the same time the author in the photo is indistinguishable as a man or woman, so we'll call it "Pat") it does make a good point as to what this country is dealing with when it comes to ignorance of the political system.

How do we go about educating people? The internet won't work because of the "media bias" issue we've discussed. People will go to sites they already agree with for facts that are produced by supporters of their ideas. Main stream media doesn't work as it is nothing more than propaganda. College doesn't work as the majority of universities are so politically oriented that you'd think they are part of a super pac.

So what's the fix? Is there any hope to get the American voter educated on the things they are voting for?
Just vote for me to be king and we will be done with voting forever.

Rusty Jones
05-13-2016, 04:59 PM
Just vote for me to be king and we will be done with voting forever.

You could always go to Somalia and crown yourself king. EVERYBODY is king in Somalia. And Somalia has the government you've always dreamed of: none.

sparks82
05-13-2016, 06:46 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/12/opinions/political-ignorance-somin/index.html

Though this post is obviously a push for Hillary (as it blatantly leaves out anything she has said that's wrong while bringing up stuff by both Trump and Sanders, while at the same time the author in the photo is indistinguishable as a man or woman, so we'll call it "Pat") it does make a good point as to what this country is dealing with when it comes to ignorance of the political system.

How do we go about educating people? The internet won't work because of the "media bias" issue we've discussed. People will go to sites they already agree with for facts that are produced by supporters of their ideas. Main stream media doesn't work as it is nothing more than propaganda. College doesn't work as the majority of universities are so politically oriented that you'd think they are part of a super pac.

So what's the fix? Is there any hope to get the American voter educated on the things they are voting for?

People have to get off their asses and go out and research. They need to go listen to a candidate speak. They need to look at their records. They need to stop being lazy. That's the bottomline - most Americans are just fucking lazy anymore. They want everything spoon fed to them when it comes to...well...anything. They see a meme and go "oh shit that must be true I'm sharing it!"

I don't think anyone will ever be truly educated on a candidate. Has anyone ever? All candidates will lie and say what they think people want to hear anyway.

sandsjames
05-13-2016, 06:54 PM
People have to get off their asses and go out and research. They need to go listen to a candidate speak. They need to look at their records. They need to stop being lazy. That's the bottomline - most Americans are just fucking lazy anymore. They want everything spoon fed to them when it comes to...well...anything. They see a meme and go "oh shit that must be true I'm sharing it!"

I don't think anyone will ever be truly educated on a candidate. Has anyone ever? All candidates will lie and say what they think people want to hear anyway.

Exactly...so how does that get fixed? I know what needs to happen (people do research) but we know that's not going to happen. Voting for our leaders is the single most important thing people can do. There must be something that could make people care.

sparks82
05-13-2016, 07:36 PM
Exactly...so how does that get fixed? I know what needs to happen (people do research) but we know that's not going to happen. Voting for our leaders is the single most important thing people can do. There must be something that could make people care.

I really don't think there is anything to make people care. There hasn't been so far...and look what we get for candidates. That's because you have to be a little insane to run for President.

I honestly don't see anything that will motivate people to vote except those who haven't done it before or have just recently become citizens or came from somewhere they didn't have any right to vote. Most Americans seem to want to just bitch but not vote the people out who are making decisions.

garhkal
05-13-2016, 07:57 PM
How do we go about educating people? The internet won't work because of the "media bias" issue we've discussed. People will go to sites they already agree with for facts that are produced by supporters of their ideas. Main stream media doesn't work as it is nothing more than propaganda. College doesn't work as the majority of universities are so politically oriented that you'd think they are part of a super pac.

So what's the fix? Is there any hope to get the American voter educated on the things they are voting for?

Several imo.
1) Get media back into just REPORTING on stories, not manufacturing them, or telling one side to push agendas.
2) get schools out of being so damn leftwing, more centrist. Have BOTH sides of the spectrum offered up..
3) have more people home school..



People have to get off their asses and go out and research. They need to go listen to a candidate speak. They need to look at their records. They need to stop being lazy. That's the bottomline - most Americans are just fucking lazy anymore. They want everything spoon fed to them when it comes to...well...anything. They see a meme and go "oh shit that must be true I'm sharing it!"

I don't think anyone will ever be truly educated on a candidate. Has anyone ever? All candidates will lie and say what they think people want to hear anyway.

Exactly...so how does that get fixed? I know what needs to happen (people do research) but we know that's not going to happen. Voting for our leaders is the single most important thing people can do. There must be something that could make people care.


Dunno. Maybe if we stopped rewarding laziness as well as dumbing everything down to the lowest level, people would start suffering FOR being lazy/stupid, while those who don't would actually get OFF their butts to get smart?

sandsjames
05-13-2016, 08:06 PM
Several imo.
1) Get media back into just REPORTING on stories, not manufacturing them, or telling one side to push agendas. I find local news does pretty good with that.

2) get schools out of being so damn leftwing, more centrist. Have BOTH sides of the spectrum offered up..I don't even think they should be centrist. Schools should offer facts...the students should be the critical thinkers.

3) have more people home school.. Not sure how this would help. It's pretty much the deepest form of indoctrination.

efmbman
05-14-2016, 09:38 PM
1) Get media back into just REPORTING on stories, not manufacturing them, or telling one side to push agendas.
How is that even possible? If you do the research, you will see that 6 gigantic corporations own just about every media outlet in the USA. Those corporations have some serious skin in the game. You bet your butt they will report and spin news to serve their interests. There is no more news... it is all commentary now.

sandsjames
05-14-2016, 10:46 PM
How is that even possible? If you do the research, you will see that 6 gigantic corporations own just about every media outlet in the USA. Those corporations have some serious skin in the game. You bet your butt they will report and spin news to serve their interests. There is no more news... it is all commentary now.

Totally off topic but I don't see you here often. We are on season 6 of our annual rewatch. Just finished "The Lighthouse" episode...the show just never gets old.

Mjölnir
05-14-2016, 11:46 PM
Totally off topic but I don't see you here often. We are on season 6 of our annual rewatch. Just finished "The Lighthouse" episode...the show just never gets old.

I never got why the island moved ... JJ Abrams ... you BASTARD

efmbman
05-15-2016, 02:30 AM
the show just never gets old.
Agreed! Still watch it regularly... always catching something new.


I never got why the island moved ... JJ Abrams ... you BASTARD
Me neither. Just part of the mythology. To quote John Locke: "It is what it is, Charlie."

sandsjames
05-15-2016, 12:20 PM
I never got why the island moved ... JJ Abrams ... you BASTARD

It moved so it wouldn't be found. The source had to be protected.

garhkal
05-15-2016, 06:46 PM
I don't even think they should be centrist. Schools should offer facts...the students should be the critical thinkers.

They should, but with the # of deens/teachers that are leftists, vs how few are conservative/rightist, its swung too far to one side. And since the Students seem these days to NOT want critical thinking, we need the schools imo to go centrist to Push that issue..



Not sure how this would help. It's pretty much the deepest form of indoctrination.

Maybe, but would you rather kids indoctrinted by the Government OR by their family?

sandsjames
05-15-2016, 08:15 PM
They should, but with the # of deens/teachers that are leftists, vs how few are conservative/rightist, its swung too far to one side. And since the Students seem these days to NOT want critical thinking, we need the schools imo to go centrist to Push that issue..



Maybe, but would you rather kids indoctrinted by the Government OR by their family?

They are going to be indoctrinated by their parents anyway...at least sending them to school gives them a chance at being a critical thinker.

Rainmaker
05-15-2016, 08:22 PM
at least sending them to school gives them a chance at being a critical thinker.

Most of the founders and the framers of the constitution were homeschooled or educated by private tutors.

Public schools today are basically liberal indoctrination centers that are hardly allowed to teach critical thinking skills at all.

sandsjames
05-15-2016, 10:15 PM
Most of the founders and the framers of the constitution were homeschooled or educated by private tutors.

Public schools today are basically liberal indoctrination centers that are hardly allowed to teach critical thinking skills at all.

My point is that they create an environment where people are forced to think critically. That doesn't happen with home schooling. Kids get indoctrinated into what their parents want and don't have the opportunity to deal with any opposition.

Parents who are worried about their kids being "indoctrinated" are going to be smart enough to raise their kids in a way that teaches the kids the difference.

I'm curious as to how many schools you've visited lately to give you the impression that it's all liberal indoctrination anyway.

WILDJOKER5
05-16-2016, 01:03 PM
You could always go to Somalia and crown yourself king. EVERYBODY is king in Somalia. And Somalia has the government you've always dreamed of: none.

Yeah, right after the one you dream of drove it into the dirt like socialism has everywhere else. No-government isn't even what I advocate for.

WILDJOKER5
05-16-2016, 01:05 PM
People have to get off their asses and go out and research. They need to go listen to a candidate speak. They need to look at their records. They need to stop being lazy. That's the bottomline - most Americans are just fucking lazy anymore. They want everything spoon fed to them when it comes to...well...anything. They see a meme and go "oh shit that must be true I'm sharing it!"

I don't think anyone will ever be truly educated on a candidate. Has anyone ever? All candidates will lie and say what they think people want to hear anyway.

And then some like Obama have their records sealed to hide things. Hell, everyone called Bush Jr an idiot for his grades in college, then John Kerrys grades got released and they were worse.

Rainmaker
05-16-2016, 02:08 PM
I'm curious as to how many schools you've visited lately to give you the impression that it's all liberal indoctrination anyway.



When I was on terminal leave, I was considering going into Coaching so I taught as a substitute teacher to see if I liked it. That was in 2011 and was enough to convince me that I'd never want to teach in a public school or even send young children to one, if I could afford to do otherwise.

The teachers were mostly incompetent. And the few good teachers that they had were universally frustrated from having to put up with all kinds of bullshit from a group of boneheaded students that probably had genetics aligned with that of their moron parents.

However, my daughter is a sophomore at a Public High school now, She was home schooled thru the 6th grade (by my wife who was a public (secondary) school teacher for 9 years). Both of my sons went to public school all the way thru. They graduated High school in 07 and 11 , one is a minor league baseball player and the other is a 2LT, So I guess they did ok. But, I think the schools have deteriorated a lot in the last 20 years. And I also have 6 year old twins that are in a Private (Methodist) school.

The average kid who stays at home and reads books for a couple of hours a day will wind up much smarter than the average kid that goes to a public school, where the teachers spend half their day trying to teach a group of shit for brains students just how to follow basic instructions (passed down from their thought leaders).

sandsjames
05-16-2016, 03:44 PM
When I was on terminal leave, I was considering going into Coaching so I taught as a substitute teacher to see if I liked it. That was in 2011 and was enough to convince me that I'd never want to teach in a public school or even send young children to one, if I could afford to do otherwise.

The teachers were mostly incompetent. And the few good teachers that they had were universally frustrated from having to put up with all kinds of bullshit from a group of boneheaded students that probably had genetics aligned with that of their moron parents.

However, my daughter is a sophomore at a Public High school now, She was home schooled thru the 6th grade (by my wife who was a public (secondary) school teacher for 9 years). Both of my sons went to public school all the way thru. They graduated High school in 07 and 11 , one is a minor league baseball player and the other is a 2LT, So I guess they did ok. But, I think the schools have deteriorated a lot in the last 20 years. And I also have 6 year old twins that are in a Private (Methodist) school.

The average kid who stays at home and reads books for a couple of hours a day will wind up much smarter than the average kid that goes to a public school, where the teachers spend half their day trying to teach a group of shit for brains students just how to follow basic instructions (passed down from their thought leaders).

I think your point about your kids going to public school and turning out fine...not "indoctrinated"...disproves your point. Kids are generally going to do as well in school as their parents want them to. I know you've met the parents of some of the kids at your kid's schools. Could you imaging their parents schooling them?

garhkal
05-16-2016, 09:15 PM
They are going to be indoctrinated by their parents anyway...at least sending them to school gives them a chance at being a critical thinker.

Critical thinkers?? You honestly think all these students whining about safe spaces, needing trigger words identified and banned, micro-agressions controlled etc are Critical thinkers??