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WILDJOKER5
05-10-2016, 12:41 PM
Yep, that's what he said. Wouldn't you say calling a group of graduating blacks "lucky not to be drug dealers" more than the supposed "soft racist" statement you accuse the right of saying?

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016...t-drug-dealer/

Rusty Jones
05-10-2016, 01:09 PM
Yep, that's what he said. Wouldn't you say calling a group of graduating blacks "lucky not to be drug dealers" more than the supposed "soft racist" statement you accuse the right of saying?

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016...t-drug-dealer/

Here's the exact quote:


We can’t walk by a homeless man without asking why a society as wealthy as ours allows that state of affairs to occur. We can’t just lock up a low-level dealer without asking why this boy, barely out of childhood, felt he had no other options. We have cousins and uncles and brothers and sisters who we remember were just as smart and just as talented as we were, but somehow got ground down by structures that are unfair and unjust.

And that means we have to not only question the world as it is, and stand up for those African Americans who haven’t been so lucky — because, yes, you’ve worked hard, but you’ve also been lucky. That’s a pet peeve of mine: People who have been successful and don’t realize they’ve been lucky. That God may have blessed them; it wasn’t nothing you did. So don’t have an attitude.

To get "you black people are lucky to not be drug dealers" out of this takes some real effort. At the end of the day, whoever wrote this isn't trying to make a persuasive argument. They're simply trying to "win" an argument.

WILDJOKER5
05-10-2016, 01:21 PM
Here's the exact quote:



To get "you black people are lucky to not be drug dealers" out of this takes some real effort. At the end of the day, whoever wrote this isn't trying to make a persuasive argument. They're simply trying to "win" an argument.

"We can’t just lock up a low-level dealer without asking why this boy, barely out of childhood, felt he had no other options."

Imagine the outrage if Trump had said this line. Calling a black young adult a "boy".

WILDJOKER5
05-10-2016, 01:25 PM
Here's the exact quote:

To get "you black people are lucky to not be drug dealers" out of this takes some real effort. At the end of the day, whoever wrote this isn't trying to make a persuasive argument. They're simply trying to "win" an argument.

"And that means we have to not only question the world as it is, and stand up for those African Americans who haven’t been so lucky — because, yes, you’ve worked hard, but you’ve also been lucky. That’s a pet peeve of mine: People who have been successful and don’t realize they’ve been lucky. That God may have blessed them; it wasn’t nothing you did. So don’t have an attitude."

You don't see how someone can get "you black people are lucky to not be drug dealers" out of a paragraph that says "it nothing you've done.." and used the word "luck" 3 times? Not to mention him being the POTUS using a freaking double negative at a commencement speech. Are you serious?

Rusty Jones
05-10-2016, 01:36 PM
You're proving my point by nitpicking what was said in order to make it say something else. Again... the author of this article doesn't seek to convince. He or she seeks to win.

Rainmaker
05-10-2016, 01:49 PM
Wouldn't you say calling a group of graduating blacks "lucky not to be drug dealers"

When you picture a drug dealer, what imagery comes to mind?

They are lucky not to be dealing drugs. His pointing out what's obvious to everyone else in the world doesn't make him a 'racist'. It just means he's paying attention.

Rusty Jones
05-10-2016, 01:57 PM
When you picture a drug dealer, what imagery comes to mind?

They are lucky not to be dealing drugs. His pointing out what's obvious to everyone else in the world doesn't make him a 'racist'. It just means he's paying attention.

A biker selling crank to a whore at a truck stop? That's one possible image.

WILDJOKER5
05-10-2016, 02:11 PM
When you picture a drug dealer, what imagery comes to mind?


this.

http://fr.ubergizmo.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/WalterWhite.jpg

WILDJOKER5
05-10-2016, 02:12 PM
A biker selling crank to a whore at a truck stop? That's one possible image.

or Mexican. Or Asian.

Rainmaker
05-10-2016, 02:38 PM
You don't see how someone can get "you black people are lucky to not be drug dealers" out of a paragraph that says "it nothing you've done.." and used the word "luck" 3 times? Not to mention him being the POTUS using a freaking double negative at a commencement speech. Are you serious?

Obama may be the biggest piece of shit douchebag I've ever seen. But, on this one I actually agreed with his statement . They ARE lucky not to be dealing drugs. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. So, You'll get no argument from me.

However, him ranting about how "People who have been successful and don’t realize they’ve been lucky. That God may have blessed them; it wasn’t nothing you did. So don’t have an attitude." makes absolutely no sense at all and is widely insulting to the graduates of "Howard Black University" and proves that he is a full retard socialist communist, just like "the right" always paints him out to be.

WILDJOKER5
05-10-2016, 02:54 PM
Obama may be the biggest piece of shit douchebag I've ever seen. But, on this one I actually agreed with his statement . They ARE lucky not to be dealing drugs. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. So, You'll get no argument from me.

However, him ranting about how "People who have been successful and don’t realize they’ve been lucky. That God may have blessed them; it wasn’t nothing you did. So don’t have an attitude." makes absolutely no sense at all and is widely insulting to the graduates of "Howard Black University" and proves that he is a full retard socialist communist, just like "the right" always paints him out to be."You didn't build that business"

Rainmaker
05-10-2016, 03:40 PM
My favorite part of the speech is when he starts devolving into the "black southern preacher's voice". Does anyone really believe he picked it up from listening to his white family from Kansas that raised him? Or was it at from listening to the teachers at the Honolulu Punahou School or maybe his professors at Harvard or Columbia? Or the Indonesian-Catholic Elementary school he went to...... I wonder if that was actually written into the script or if he just started really getting into the role he's playing and ad libbed it on his own.

WILDJOKER5
05-10-2016, 03:50 PM
My favorite part of the speech is when he starts devolving into the "black southern preacher's voice". Does anyone really believe he picked it up from listening to his white family from Kansas that raised him. Or was it at from listening to the teachers at the Honolulu Punahou School or maybe his professors at Harvard or Columbia? Or the Indonesian-Catholic Elementary school he went to. I wonder if that was actually written into the script or if he just started really getting into the role he's playing and ad libbed it on his own?

Pandering is the democrat way. Look at hilliary talking about always having hot sauce in her purse.

Rainmaker
05-10-2016, 03:54 PM
Pandering is the democrat way. Look at hilliary talking about always having hot sauce in her purse.

The Republicrats do the same thing....They just pander to Israelis.

sandsjames
05-10-2016, 04:15 PM
Pandering is the democrat way. Look at hilliary talking about always having hot sauce in her purse.

You don't think Trump is pandering to the stereotypical white southern republican with every speech he gives? He's a business man and is going to pander to whoever he needs to make the sale.

Rusty Jones
05-10-2016, 04:27 PM
Pandering is the democrat way. Look at hilliary talking about always having hot sauce in her purse.

The GOP has been pandering since 1964 with the Southern Strategy.

WILDJOKER5
05-10-2016, 04:29 PM
You don't think Trump is pandering to the stereotypical white southern republican with every speech he gives? He's a business man and is going to pander to whoever he needs to make the sale.

Nope. He doesn't need to pander to them cause they will always vote republican. Hes pandering to the middle who are sick of PC culture. I am pretty sick of the stereo typed southerner. They moved out with the dems long ago. There are a few left like roaches, but its not like that in the south anymore.

Rusty Jones
05-10-2016, 04:41 PM
Nope. He doesn't need to pander to them cause they will always vote republican. Hes pandering to the middle who are sick of PC culture. I am pretty sick of the stereo typed southerner. They moved out with the dems long ago. There are a few left like roaches, but its not like that in the south anymore.

Where do you live? Miami or something?

sandsjames
05-10-2016, 05:02 PM
Nope. He doesn't need to pander to them cause they will always vote republican. Hes pandering to the middle who are sick of PC culture. I am pretty sick of the stereo typed southerner. They moved out with the dems long ago. There are a few left like roaches, but its not like that in the south anymore.Building the wall...banning Muslims...that is pandering. He's already backing out of half the shit he said before he won the nomination.

There's nothing unusual about it. They all pander. That's what politics is. Sanders pandered to the millenials with the free college tuition.

Pandering is a necessity because most people have no clue what is actually at stake. More than 90% of the voters don't know what things like "K-Street" mean or who the Koch Brothers are or anything about Benghazi, so politicians pander to the fears of the people by mentioning things like voter fraud, income inequality, terrorism, etc. It's all pandering.

I live in Texas around many of the stereotypical southerners. They haven't moved out. They are here thinking that Hillary is gonna take their guns (even though the same thing was said about Obama and we still have our guns)...and several other stereotypes you'd associate with "rednecks". They haven't moved out and they LOVE Trump because he's "Gonna build a wall....WOOOOOO!!!!!Murica!!" to keep them Mexicans from stealin' our jobs.

SomeRandomGuy
05-10-2016, 05:08 PM
Building the wall...banning Muslims...that is pandering. He's already backing out of half the shit he said before he won the nomination.

There's nothing unusual about it. They all pander. That's what politics is. Sanders pandered to the millenials with the free college tuition.

Pandering is a necessity because most people have no clue what is actually at stake. More than 90% of the voters don't know what things like "K-Street" mean or who the Koch Brothers are or anything about Benghazi, so politicians pander to the fears of the people by mentioning things like voter fraud, income inequality, terrorism, etc. It's all pandering.

Pandering is actually a big part of why Romney lost the last presidential election. He got into a drawn out primary so he had to say some things to cater to the far-right. After he won the nomination he couldn't walk his way back to the middle because he was nominated based on pandering to the far-right.

It's interesting that Trump is already walking back a lot of things he said. I have a bunch of friends who will say, "I can't vote for Hillary" I'm like, you realize that Trump was a donor to both her senate and last presidential campaign, right?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/04/ted-cruz/ted-cruz-says-donald-trump-wrote-10-checks-hillary/

Trump isn't a Republican, a lot of people are going to be shocked to learn that.

WILDJOKER5
05-10-2016, 05:14 PM
The GOP has been pandering since 1964 with the Southern Strategy.

You mean by having the law look at everyone based on merit and not by the color of your skin? That strawman of "the southern strategy" was put up by someone that didn't even win the south. What good comes from "pandering" to the south when they are locked in as GOP voters who would never vote for a liberal who wants to take der guns?

USN - Retired
05-10-2016, 05:17 PM
Luck?
Those who work hard and make good choices in life tend to have "good" luck.
Those who are lazy and make bad choices in life tend to have "bad" luck.

WILDJOKER5
05-10-2016, 05:19 PM
Building the wall...banning Muslims...that is pandering. He's already backing out of half the shit he said before he won the nomination.I have no doubt he will back out of what hes said, but it wasn't for the southern voters.


There's nothing unusual about it. They all pander. That's what politics is. Sanders pandered to the millenials with the free college tuition. I agree.


Pandering is a necessity because most people have no clue what is actually at stake. More than 90% of the voters don't know what things like "K-Street" mean or who the Koch Brothers are or anything about Benghazi, so politicians pander to the fears of the people by mentioning things like voter fraud, income inequality, terrorism, etc. It's all pandering.I agree, I just don't think it was to southern voters. And I fully believe that Trump is just using the GOP card as did Ron Paul because its a two party system. Trump couldn't go to the Dems ticket because of queen hiliary getting her "fair chance" and there is much less outrage over the state of affairs on the left that they can blame the right for. If this was 2007 and Trump was running, he'd be going as a democrat.


I live in Texas around many of the stereotypical southerners. They haven't moved out. They are here thinking that Hillary is gonna take their guns (even though the same thing was said about Obama and we still have our guns)...and several other stereotypes you'd associate with "rednecks". They haven't moved out and they LOVE Trump because he's "Gonna build a wall....WOOOOOO!!!!!Murica!!" to keep them Mexicans from stealin' our jobs.Be honest, is that the majority or the roaches still lingering around. Plenty of southerners still vote for democrats, but its not the norm, nor do the southerners vote for the GOP because of raycism.

WILDJOKER5
05-10-2016, 05:20 PM
Pandering is actually a big part of why Romney lost the last presidential election. He got into a drawn out primary so he had to say some things to cater to the far-right. After he won the nomination he couldn't walk his way back to the middle because he was nominated based on pandering to the far-right.

It's interesting that Trump is already walking back a lot of things he said. I have a bunch of friends who will say, "I can't vote for Hillary" I'm like, you realize that Trump was a donor to both her senate and last presidential campaign, right?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/04/ted-cruz/ted-cruz-says-donald-trump-wrote-10-checks-hillary/

Trump isn't a Republican, a lot of people are going to be shocked to learn that.
The anti-PC role hes taken up plays the big part of his success.

WILDJOKER5
05-10-2016, 05:21 PM
Luck?
Those who work hard and make good choices in life tend to have "good" luck.
Those who are lazy and make bad choices in life tend to have "bad" luck.
Guess he's admitting that he only graduated Harvard and got to be POTUS cause of luck.

Rusty Jones
05-10-2016, 05:31 PM
You mean by having the law look at everyone based on merit and not by the color of your skin? That strawman of "the southern strategy" was put up by someone that didn't even win the south.

LOL, he won every state but Massachusetts. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I do believe that "every state but Massachusetts" includes the South. And the intent behind that "meritocracy" you're talking about was explained by Lee Atwater.

sandsjames
05-10-2016, 05:44 PM
Be honest, is that the majority or the roaches still lingering around. Plenty of southerners still vote for democrats, but its not the norm, nor do the southerners vote for the GOP because of raycism.It's not just the locals, it's the southerners in my shop. We had one guy recently who was going to get out because they wanted to PCS him to California...he wasn't gonna spend time in that "faggoty ass state" where they "don't allow guns" (even though they allow plenty of). There are a very large number of people just like him, too.

I'm not saying that it's everyone in the south, but there are still a very large number of stereotypical southerners who don't realize, and don't care, that he's not actually a republican. They don't care that he's probably more liberal than Hillary. All they know is that he "speaks his mind" about foreigners and isn't going to "take our guns". These guy also only drink Busch Light and won't even attempt to try a different beer...something that actually tastes good, because craft beers, IPAs and anything imported is for them "Muslim lovin' hippies" from New York and California.

WILDJOKER5
05-10-2016, 06:01 PM
LOL, he won every state but Massachusetts. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I do believe that "every state but Massachusetts" includes the South. And the intent behind that "meritocracy" you're talking about was explained by Lee Atwater.

No, Barry Goldwater.

And as it so happens, the GOP took over the south not by old racist white dudes, but the young, idealistic college students. You know, those "liberal" types who were more open to desegregation than their aging democrat parents.


https://youtu.be/fjCm2uXXCo8

WILDJOKER5
05-10-2016, 06:03 PM
It's not just the locals, it's the southerners in my shop. We had one guy recently who was going to get out because they wanted to PCS him to California...he wasn't gonna spend time in that "faggoty ass state" where they "don't allow guns" (even though they allow plenty of). There are a very large number of people just like him, too. One guy? Yeah, I agree, if there is one roach, there must be more, but that doesn't mean there is an infestation of them.


I'm not saying that it's everyone in the south, but there are still a very large number of stereotypical southerners who don't realize, and don't care, that he's not actually a republican. They don't care that he's probably more liberal than Hillary. All they know is that he "speaks his mind" about foreigners and isn't going to "take our guns". These guy also only drink Busch Light and won't even attempt to try a different beer...something that actually tastes good, because craft beers, IPAs and anything imported is for them "Muslim lovin' hippies" from New York and California.

Not saying they don't exist, but just like the stereotypical black person, its usually not the norm.

Rainmaker
05-10-2016, 06:08 PM
Pandering is actually a big part of why Romney lost the last presidential election. He got into a drawn out primary so he had to say some things to cater to the far-right. After he won the nomination he couldn't walk his way back to the middle because he was nominated based on pandering to the far-right.

Actually Romney was nominated for the exact same reason as every other Bush Era RINO. Pandering to the Big Government NeoCon assholes, who stopped representing the interests of their own constituents 25 years ago.



I have a bunch of friends who will say, "I can't vote for Hillary" I'm like, you realize that Trump was a donor to both her senate and last presidential campaign, right?

So, You mean to tell us that a New York Real Estate builder actually donated to the political campaign of a New York Senator??? OH MY GOD!!! SHOCKER!!! And a whole $4700 over the course of 7 years to boot. LOL. That's not even the equivalent of a parking ticket to a Multi-Billionaire.


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/04/ted-cruz/ted-cruz-says-donald-trump-wrote-10-checks-hillary/

"Politifact". A.k.a. The Tampa Bay Times....... Now, Tampa always had 2 papers. The Left leaning Times And the Right leaning Tampa Tribune (which just went out of business). The Times Rag isn't fit to line a bird-cage.

"Politifact"....There's an Orwellian named Newspeak BS term if I ever heard one. Who do you think is cross checking the "fact checkers" over at "Politifact"?



Trump isn't a Republican, a lot of people are going to be shocked to learn that.

A lot more people are going to be shocked to learn how few registered Republican voters will actually still care.

Rusty Jones
05-10-2016, 06:15 PM
No, Barry Goldwater.

And as it so happens, the GOP took over the south not by old racist white dudes, but the young, idealistic college students. You know, those "liberal" types who were more open to desegregation than their aging democrat parents.


https://youtu.be/fjCm2uXXCo8

You CAN'T be serious, using some airheaded TV and radio personality as a source of credibility. Also, the Southern Strategy is in peer reviewed literature.

All that crap you just said... is strange shit that someone like Coulter would say.

BTW, the Southern Strategy was just starting in 1964, and the South in general wasn't sold on it until the Reagan Era. That's when David Duke became a Republican.

With Barry Goldwater getting Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, and South Carolina... he did pulled off something that no other Republican could do before.

Rainmaker
05-10-2016, 06:20 PM
You CAN'T be serious, using some airheaded TV and radio personality as a source of credibility.

Ann Coulter mmm......I'd hit it!



he did pulled off something that no other Republican could do before.

Bread and Circuses. People being shocked by these shapeshifters in the 2 Political Parties betraying us, is like being shocked when the WWF fan favorite turns over to the dark side.

WILDJOKER5
05-10-2016, 06:25 PM
You CAN'T be serious, using some airheaded TV and radio personality as a source of credibility. Also, the Southern Strategy is in peer reviewed literature.

All that crap you just said... is strange shit that someone like Coulter would say.

BTW, the Southern Strategy was just starting in 1964, and the South in general wasn't sold on it until the Reagan Era. That's when David Duke became a Republican.

With Barry Goldwater getting Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, and South Carolina... he did pulled off something that no other Republican could do before.

And when David Duke was rejected by republicans when his past was revealed, he went back to being a democrat. Then an independent. Amazingly, Robert Byrd, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, hilliary Clinton stayed democrats even with their close ties to the KKK. The GOP got the south through attrition of old racist dying, just as the Dems got the north through a population boom of minorities and spoiled commie brats imposing ever growing taxes and regulations that drove the GOP job producers out of the state for better economic friendly states. Saying its "peer reviewed" doesn't mean shit btw. Just like global warming is peer reviewed, socialism is peer reviewed, or even the food pyramid is peer reviewed. All of which have been shown to be complete failures and debunked when actually put into practice or "the real world".

sandsjames
05-10-2016, 06:26 PM
Bread and Circuses. People being shocked by these shapeshifters in the 2 Political Parties betraying us, is like being shocked when the WWF fan favorite turns over to the dark side.

Ok...let's get this straight before you embarrass yourself any more. It's WWE. WWF (World Wildlife Fund) sued them over the trademark. Second, it's not a "fan favorite", it's a "face" doing a "heel turn".

Now, after you wipe the egg off your face, you may continue.

Rainmaker
05-10-2016, 06:30 PM
Now, after you wipe the egg off your face, you may continue.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsqJFIJ5lLs

Rusty Jones
05-10-2016, 06:35 PM
And when David Duke was rejected by republicans when his past was revealed, he went back to being a democrat. Then an independent.

Duke never went back to being Democrat. He joined that crap party that Ross Perot started. And he did so of his own volition. In addition, he's even stated that many Tea Party members wanted him to run against Obama back in 2012.


Amazingly, Robert Byrd, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, hilliary Clinton stayed democrats even with their close ties to the KKK. The GOP got the south through attrition of old racist dying, just as the Dems got the north through a population boom of minorities and spoiled commie brats imposing ever growing taxes and regulations that drove the GOP job producers out of the state for better economic friendly states.

You know damn well you don't believe this shit.


Saying its "peer reviewed" doesn't mean shit btw. Just like global warming is peer reviewed, socialism is peer reviewed, or even the food pyramid is peer reviewed. All of which have been shown to be complete failures and debunked when actually put into practice or "the real world".

Classic conservative cognitive dissonance and anti-intellectualism.

Rusty Jones
05-10-2016, 07:00 PM
BTW, David Duke was famous before he became a Republican. So... trying to act like his past was discovered after the fact is a fail.

WILDJOKER5
05-10-2016, 07:01 PM
Duke never went back to being Democrat. He joined that crap party that Ross Perot started. And he did so of his own volition. In addition, he's even stated that many Tea Party members wanted him to run against Obama back in 2012.Really? He said that? Duke knows his name is toxic to the masses. Just as any public statement of endorsement from the KKK, neo-Nazis, or Charlie Manson himself will sort of damage momentum of a candidate, and these people know it. They know that democrats have kept blacks down more through public works projects than by openly opposing desegregation ever did. They know Obama has caused more unemployment for blacks, planned parenthood has killed millions of black babies, and that LBJ's war on poverty has had completely the opposite effect of what was originally stated purposes was. Same goes with common core in public schools which has only widened the gap in standardized testing results among blacks and white.


You know damn well you don't believe this shit.Why shouldn't I? I can see and read history just fine. The question is, why cant you believe it when its smack dab in front of you.
Robert Byrd, KKK grand wizard. Democrat till he died in office.
Bill Clinton, James William Fulbright mentor. Gave glowing praise to Robert Byrd at his funeral.
Al Gore, Al Gore Sr was a member of the KKK.
Hillary Clinton, mentored by Robert Byrd.


Classic conservative cognitive dissonance and anti-intellectualism.
Right, cause having every single one of them disproven outside the academic setting that's ran by liberals to provide their government friends who give out grants is "anti-intellectualism". Sad how you resort to "but peer review" to substantiate your claims. But if I tell you that every single "peer review" was funded to come out with that specific findings, you baulk. Its a "scratch my back, I scratch yours" game. And anyone that refuses to find the predetermined conclusion is cutoff of government funding, that is dismissed as though something else was the cause.

WILDJOKER5
05-10-2016, 07:02 PM
BTW, David Duke was famous before he became a Republican. So... trying to act like his past was discovered after the fact is a fail.

He "won" by default. He wasn't elected with a majority, he won cause the other two were taking votes from each other.

sparks82
05-10-2016, 07:10 PM
When you picture a drug dealer, what imagery comes to mind?

They are lucky not to be dealing drugs. His pointing out what's obvious to everyone else in the world doesn't make him a 'racist'. It just means he's paying attention.

Of all the drug dealers I've seen from where my ex got his drugs - Caucasian males or females in their 30s to 40s. Although it's hard to tell because they are so strung out on meth that I'm not sure what their real age might be. But of his friends from high school he got drugs from, 30s. Caucasian. Divorced. That's who I think of when I think of drug dealers.

Rusty Jones
05-10-2016, 07:50 PM
Really? He said that? Duke knows his name is toxic to the masses. Just as any public statement of endorsement from the KKK, neo-Nazis, or Charlie Manson himself will sort of damage momentum of a candidate, and these people know it.

In recent years, more and more people are starting to agree with David Duke. David Duke also knows that whoever he endorses, his followers will vote for that person. So that’s pretty lame.

They know that democrats have kept blacks down more through public works projects than by openly opposing desegregation ever did. They know Obama has caused more unemployment for blacks, planned parenthood has killed millions of black babies, and that LBJ's war on poverty has had completely the opposite effect of what was originally stated purposes was. Same goes with common core in public schools which has only widened the gap in standardized testing results among blacks and white.

LOL, yeah, unemployment went up for blacks under Obama, because employers are pissed off that they voted for him.

Republicans have done nothing to court the black vote. Republicans have never once said, “Because the Democrats did that, you’re in that situation. Come on over here, and we’ll do something else for you instead.”

Republicans have never done this, and they won’t. They can’t… it would violate the Southern Strategy. They’d lose their white voters.


Why shouldn't I? I can see and read history just fine. The question is, why cant you believe it when its smack dab in front of you.

All that shit about young college kids being the reason the GOP took hold of the South? LOL, show me the peer reviewed literature that supports this.

To address your disingenuous example, Al Gore Sr being a member of the KKK is somewhere between urban myth and conspiracy theory. In the 1950’s, he opposed legislation that supported segregation.

Robert Byrd moved beyond his KKK days after his son died, and has pretty open about it. That was almost 35 years ago.

Robert Byrd, KKK grand wizard. Democrat till he died in office.

Bill Clinton specifically stated that they used to argue with James Fulbright on things that they disagreed about.


Right, cause having every single one of them disproven outside the academic setting that's ran by liberals to provide their government friends who give out grants is "anti-intellectualism". Sad how you resort to "but peer review" to substantiate your claims. But if I tell you that every single "peer review" was funded to come out with that specific findings, you baulk. Its a "scratch my back, I scratch yours" game. And anyone that refuses to find the predetermined conclusion is cutoff of government funding, that is dismissed as though something else was the cause.

LOL, do you look at the word “peer” and assume it’s a bunch of reciprocal back scratching? You further prove my point about anti-intellectualism. The peer review process requires those submitting their work to be able to prove and demonstrate their methodology for coming to their conclusions.

Richard Nixon, Pat Buchanan, Lee Atwater, and many others specifically talking about attracting racist white voters in the South who no longer felt a connection with the Democratic Party makes it pretty damn easy to get through the peer review process.

The only people who dismiss the peer review process are people who believe shit that wouldn’t make it through.

Rusty Jones
05-10-2016, 07:59 PM
He "won" by default. He wasn't elected with a majority, he won cause the other two were taking votes from each other.

He won WHAT by default? Never held any political office. He failed every campaign.

Mjölnir
05-10-2016, 08:15 PM
He won WHAT by default? Never held any political office. He failed every campaign.

He was a member of the Louisiana House of Representatives from 1989 - 1992, as a Republican. Defeated by David Vitter in 1991.

*I am from Louisiana ... he is not our proudest native son by a long shot.

Rusty Jones
05-10-2016, 08:22 PM
He was a member of the Louisiana House of Representatives from 1989 - 1992, as a Republican. Defeated by David Vitter in 1991.

*I am from Louisiana ... he is not our proudest native son by a long shot.

Did Duke get elected to that spot because of two other candidates with similar views who split votes? I just want to be sure that's the election that WJ5 is talking about. Because I never made reference to any that Duke had won.

WILDJOKER5
05-10-2016, 08:24 PM
In recent years, more and more people are starting to agree with David Duke. David Duke also knows that whoever he endorses, his followers will vote for that person. So that’s pretty lame.Yes, a small following, as he's always had.



LOL, yeah, unemployment went up for blacks under Obama, because employers are pissed off that they voted for him.Citation needed.


Republicans have done nothing to court the black vote. Republicans have never once said, “Because the Democrats did that, you’re in that situation. Come on over here, and we’ll do something else for you instead.”What legislation has been put forth specifically for minorities since Nixon's affirmative action?


Republicans have never done this, and they won’t. They can’t… it would violate the Southern Strategy. They’d lose their white voters.Ugh, citation needed. You can't say that is the way of the south anymore. The GOP wont lose the southern voters cause there are many more issues that they care about than what you infer.


All that shit about young college kids being the reason the GOP took hold of the South? LOL, show me the peer reviewed literature that supports this.I have never seen anything that shows proof of what you said to be true. Sure demographics change, but to say that Racist dixiecrats migrated to the GOP over the course of 20-30 years because of some racist Dixiecrats switching political affiliations, then being rejected by the GOP, is tenuous stretch at best. There is mentions of the northern business men coming south and opening up shop without the racist traditions of democrats, thus allowing minorities more economic mobility, but nothing ever shows that the racists of the democrats would ever be accepted by the non-racist GOP. That's totally absurd to try and correlate why people switched parties in the south. "Hey, these democrats are getting too inclusive, lets go be part of the party that kicked our asses in the civil war for racial equality."


To address your disingenuous example, Al Gore Sr being a member of the KKK is somewhere between urban myth and conspiracy theory. In the 1950’s, he opposed legislation that supported segregation.Eh, agree to disagree.


Robert Byrd moved beyond his KKK days after his son died, and has pretty open about it. That was almost 35 years ago.Oh, yeah, he gets a pass then huh? Having the longest filibuster in history against the CRA and staying in office, he is forgiven. The 50-60 years after the south was racist, they are still thought of the same way even though minorities outside of democratic cities are thriving in the south, but all the GOP in the south are still racist right?


Bill Clinton specifically stated that they used to argue with James Fulbright on things that they disagreed about.But that isn't saying what they disagreed about. Was their disagreements about being faithful to their marriage or lying under oath or screwing and raping women while he was in the position of power?


LOL, do you look at the word “peer” and assume it’s a bunch of reciprocal back scratching? You further prove my point about anti-intellectualism. The peer review process requires those submitting their work to be able to prove and demonstrate their methodology for coming to their conclusions.That still doesn't mean that it has any basis to reality. Global warming peer review was done with half baked computer simulations. The peer reviewed study about diets for humans has had detrimental effects on our bodies by putting grains at the base of the pyramid.


Richard Nixon, Pat Buchanan, Lee Atwater, and many others specifically talking about attracting racist white voters in the South who no longer felt a connection with the Democratic Party makes it pretty damn easy to get through the peer review process.Yeah, what legislation specifically did the GOP put forth to gather these racist whites? Was it affirmative action quotas? Was it the stopping of Vietnam? What attracted the racist democrats to join the GOP?

Mjölnir
05-10-2016, 08:26 PM
Did Duke get elected to that spot because of two other candidates with similar views who split votes? I just want to be sure that's the election that WJ5 is talking about. Because I never made reference to any that Duke had won.

I don't remember ... as far as I know that is the only elected office (well ... other than within the Klan) that he as held.

Edit: In his election in 1989, he got 33% of the vote, the next closest candidate got 19%. Louisiana state law requires a majority (50% +1 vote) for state and local offices or a runoff election is triggered and the two candidates with the highest percentages go head to head. In the runoff election he got 51%.

WILDJOKER5
05-10-2016, 08:34 PM
Did Duke get elected to that spot because of two other candidates with similar views who split votes? I just want to be sure that's the election that WJ5 is talking about. Because I never made reference to any that Duke had won.

Sorry, he won in a run off by 50.7% to John Spier Treen 49.3% who was backed by Reagen, Bush Sr, and many more GOP leaders. Duke won because Treen said something about raising taxes. Duke was opposed from taking a seat in the house by other members, but won in a court case. After that, he never saw office again. So, in 1989, the GOP had elected one "repentant" KKK member by 1% vote, while the dems kept theirs in office, and that "proves" the racist moved parties? There may have been some (exceptions to the rule), but they weren't close to a majority of the GOP.

garhkal
05-10-2016, 08:59 PM
Here's the exact quote:



To get "you black people are lucky to not be drug dealers" out of this takes some real effort. At the end of the day, whoever wrote this isn't trying to make a persuasive argument. They're simply trying to "win" an argument.

Which seems standard fare for the media.. Take what someone says out of proportion, just to push an agenda..



A biker selling crank to a whore at a truck stop? That's one possible image.or Mexican. Or Asian.

Agreed. Though if you asked 100 people on the street who they thought would more likely be a drug dealer, i'd say a good 70% would say the black guy.

And when you see a hell of a lot more black communities riddled with gang violence CAUSE of drugs, its not a stretch to see why more feel that way.


You CAN'T be serious, using some airheaded TV and radio personality as a source of credibility. Also, the Southern Strategy is in peer reviewed literature.

You mean like say, Megen Kelly.. Or that gal on MSNBC??

Rainmaker
05-10-2016, 09:29 PM
because most people have no clue what is actually at stake. More than 90% of the voters don't know what things like "K-Street" mean or who the Koch Brothers are or anything about Benghazi,

Disagree. Most people know EXACTLY what's at stake. And Thanks to the Internet, The electorate is far more informed than it was 25 years ago.

90% of the MSM news today is not even news. It's just analysis of the news. In other words it's propaganda. Which is why no matter how much The talking heads lecture us for the last 10 months. How & Why Trump can't & won't win. It doesn't work. In fact it has the opposite effect. Because, The people have figured out that everything they say is Bullshit.

2 weeks ago Trump not only won all 5 states. (Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Connecticut and Rhode Island) He won EVERY SINGLE COUNTY in All 5 states. In a 3 way race, with 60,000 negative ads run against him.

But, all we ever hear is how he can't beat Hillary. Not only is he Going to win. It's going to be a fucking beatdown.

Trump voters Have Higher Education Levels and have a Higher Median income than the average American.

sandsjames
05-10-2016, 10:16 PM
Disagree. Most people know EXACTLY what's at stake. And Thanks to the Internet, The electorate is far more informed than it was 25 years ago.

90% of the MSM news today is not even news. It's just analysis of the news. In other words it's propaganda. Which is why no matter how much The talking heads lecture us for the last 10 months. How & Why Trump can't & won't win. It doesn't work. In fact it has the opposite effect. Because, The people have figured out that everything they say is Bullshit.

2 weeks ago Trump not only won all 5 states. (Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Connecticut and Rhode Island) He won EVERY SINGLE COUNTY in All 5 states. In a 3 way race, with 60,000 negative ads run against him.

But, all we ever hear is how he can't beat Hillary. Not only is he Going to win. It's going to be a fucking beatdown.

Trump voters Have Higher Education Levels and have a Higher Median income than the average American.

Don't overestimate the number of people who are "educated" on what's going on. You've got the reddit crowd and you have the people who pay attention to the specific sites that fit their media bias. The fact that Bernie is getting beat so soundly by Hillary shows that the loud "intelligent" people just don't make up a large number of voters.

I challenge you to go out on the street and as 20 random people what "RINO" means or ask them which party is in Israel's pocket. I'll be generous and say that 5 of those 20 would be able to answer 1 of those 2 questions correctly.

People are idiots...the people on this forum are far more educated than most citizens on what's happening and we are all a bunch of idiots who think we know more than we do. But ask 20...a simple question that anyone who pays attention to politics at all would know and see what you get.

Rainmaker
05-10-2016, 10:30 PM
The fact that Bernie is getting beat so soundly by Hillary shows that the loud "intelligent" people just don't make up a large number of voters

People are idiots...

You may have a point. I think Mein Trumper would be wise to choose Sanders as his VP, to do nothing except serve as an insurance policy against the Bush-Clinton cartel pulling another Hinckley style assassination attempt.

WILDJOKER5
05-11-2016, 12:15 PM
Don't overestimate the number of people who are "educated" on what's going on. You've got the reddit crowd and you have the people who pay attention to the specific sites that fit their media bias. The fact that Bernie is getting beat so soundly by Hillary shows that the loud "intelligent" people just don't make up a large number of voters.

I challenge you to go out on the street and as 20 random people what "RINO" means or ask them which party is in Israel's pocket. I'll be generous and say that 5 of those 20 would be able to answer 1 of those 2 questions correctly.

People are idiots...the people on this forum are far more educated than most citizens on what's happening and we are all a bunch of idiots who think we know more than we do. But ask 20...a simple question that anyone who pays attention to politics at all would know and see what you get.

"Waters World" is the only good part of Bill Oreily show. The simple questions that college student can not answer is saddening. But, I know its edited to.