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Rusty Jones
05-05-2016, 07:51 PM
I don't need to post a link. You've all heard of this by now.

You know what's funny about this? We all knew that Caitlyn Jenner nudes were coming sooner or later. The world would eventually see Caitlyn Jenner's pork & beans. However... Sports Illustrated should be the last place that would show it.

Thoughts?

WILDJOKER5
05-05-2016, 07:58 PM
I don't need to post a link. You've all heard of this by now.

You know what's funny about this? We all knew that Caitlyn Jenner nudes were coming sooner or later. The world would eventually see Caitlyn Jenner's pork & beans. However... Sports Illustrated should be the last place that would show it.

Thoughts?

Mr. Jenner needs to see a specialist for mental heath

sandsjames
05-05-2016, 08:17 PM
So proud to be an American. What a great image to convey the strength of our country.

sparks82
05-05-2016, 08:26 PM
I don't need to post a link. You've all heard of this by now.

You know what's funny about this? We all knew that Caitlyn Jenner nudes were coming sooner or later. The world would eventually see Caitlyn Jenner's pork & beans. However... Sports Illustrated should be the last place that would show it.

Thoughts?

She wanted to be a woman and now she gets to be objectified like all the other women athletes and celebrities out there. Unless anyone can show me but how often are male athletes asked to pose nude for SI or any magazine? Maybe Men's Fitness?

I think she could have done the cover in a lot better way than draped in an American flag with the medal. At least it won't actually show her completely nude like her former stepdaughter.

I also believe she had gender reassignment surgery but since it's none of my business nor do I care if she has or hasn't I am not sure. But I read somewhere about her completing her transition.

Rusty Jones
05-05-2016, 08:32 PM
So proud to be an American. What a great image to convey the strength of our country.

The American Flag and a pair of balls in the same photo! How much more American can you get than that?

WILDJOKER5
05-05-2016, 08:33 PM
She wanted to be a woman and now she gets to be objectified like all the other women athletes and celebrities out there. Unless anyone can show me but how often are male athletes asked to pose nude for SI or any magazine? Maybe Men's Fitness? Im not even going to look for that on work computer.


I think she could have done the cover in a lot better way than draped in an American flag with the medal. At least it won't actually show her completely nude like her former stepdaughter. He needs his metals striped from him since he technically cheated by competing in the gender he didn't identify with.

sandsjames
05-05-2016, 08:34 PM
She wanted to be a woman and now she gets to be objectified like all the other women athletes and celebrities out there. Unless anyone can show me but how often are male athletes asked to pose nude for SI or any magazine? Maybe Men's Fitness?

I think she could have done the cover in a lot better way than draped in an American flag with the medal. At least it won't actually show her completely nude like her former stepdaughter.

I also believe she had gender reassignment surgery but since it's none of my business nor do I care if she has or hasn't I am not sure. But I read somewhere about her completing her transition.


Just to clarify, it's a he and he is severely mentally ill. Gender cannot be reassigned. A homosexual can have their organs maimed and deformed but they cannot change gender. It's no different than if I were to have a tail sewn on to my back and a horn on my head and tell people I'm a unicorn. As trendy and cool as that might be, people would call me a crackpot.

How 'bout people quit celebrating this wacko as if he is a symbol of strength. Do what needs to be done and put him in a mental institution so he can be treated.

Rusty Jones
05-05-2016, 08:36 PM
She wanted to be a woman and now she gets to be objectified like all the other women athletes and celebrities out there. Unless anyone can show me but how often are male athletes asked to pose nude for SI or any magazine? Maybe Men's Fitness?

I think she could have done the cover in a lot better way than draped in an American flag with the medal. At least it won't actually show her completely nude like her former stepdaughter.

I also believe she had gender reassignment surgery but since it's none of my business nor do I care if she has or hasn't I am not sure. But I read somewhere about her completing her transition.



Men aren't objectified, because women aren't as interested in looking at a man's body. Maybe gay men are, but not women.

If a woman walks into a room full of men and flashes her tits, every man in the room will be tripping over each other to grab them. If a man walks into a room full of women and flashes his dick, the women will be grossed out and they'll all tell him to put it away.

If someone wants to objectify men, they have to market it to gay men.

sandsjames
05-05-2016, 08:41 PM
He needs his metals striped from him since he technically cheated by competing in the gender he didn't identify with.

You forget...since he was a "woman" competing in a men's competition it would be ok. They'd only strip them if it were the other way around because "equality".

WILDJOKER5
05-05-2016, 08:43 PM
Men aren't objectified, because women aren't as interested in looking at a man's body. Maybe gay men are, but not women. Women don't prefer Ryan Reynolds to Galifinakus? They don't objectify the mans wallet? They would like a dull, boring man over a lively funny guy? Women "Objectify" men too, its called "attraction".


If a woman walks into a room full of men and flashes her tits, every man in the room will be tripping over each other to grab them. If a man walks into a room full of women and flashes his dick, the women will be grossed out and they'll all tell him to put it away.He pulls out his platinum card and offer to pay for everyone, they will flock to him and poke holes in condoms to try and trap him.

And be honest, if Rosie Odonnell slashed her tits, are you staring?


If someone wants to objectify men, they have to market it to gay men.
Nah, plenty women love seeing well dressed men.

sandsjames
05-05-2016, 08:51 PM
Women don't prefer Ryan Reynolds to Galifinakus? They don't objectify the mans wallet? They would like a dull, boring man over a lively funny guy? Women "Objectify" men too, its called "attraction".

He pulls out his platinum card and offer to pay for everyone, they will flock to him and poke holes in condoms to try and trap him.

And be honest, if Rosie Odonnell slashed her tits, are you staring?


Nah, plenty women love seeing well dressed men.

He's not talking about well dressed, rich men. He's talking about naked men on the cover of magazines. There's a difference in the objectification, physically, of men and women.

Rusty Jones
05-05-2016, 08:57 PM
Women don't prefer Ryan Reynolds to Galifinakus? They don't objectify the mans wallet? They would like a dull, boring man over a lively funny guy? Women "Objectify" men too, its called "attraction".

...you're saying that objectification and attraction are the same thing? Man...


He pulls out his platinum card and offer to pay for everyone, they will flock to him and poke holes in condoms to try and trap him.

And be honest, if Rosie Odonnell slashed her tits, are you staring?

Nah, plenty women love seeing well dressed men.

LOL, women being attracted to men with money... I can't say with certainty that that's true. If that was the case, any guy in the military should be able to walk into any trailor park / ghetto, and get the hottest chick there. But that doesn't work, does it? Every one of us knows "that guy" who tries this, and gets used by that same chick who doesn't even give him any play. While, at the same time, is fucking some lowlife who lives on her block.

Plenty of jobless shiftless men pull the hottest women. I don't know how they do it, but they do.

WILDJOKER5
05-05-2016, 08:58 PM
He's not talking about well dressed, rich men. He's talking about naked men on the cover of magazines. There's a difference in the objectification, physically, of men and women.

Nope, I think women are just better at hiding it in public. Women lust just as much as men do.

Rusty Jones
05-05-2016, 09:06 PM
Nope, I think women are just better at hiding it in public. Women lust just as much as men do.

Keep believing that lie.

WILDJOKER5
05-05-2016, 09:10 PM
...you're saying that objectification and attraction are the same thing? Man...Yes I am. Men look at women physical appearances biologically just as women look at many traits of men because of biology. Men have a much larger roll in the human society than women do due to biology. Women were there just to procreate and protect the next generation while the man is supposed to be the hunter (physical), provider (financial) and putting the family at ease (personality). This was how its been up till 60 or so years ago when a few women convinced themselves they needed to be part of the mans world.


LOL, women being attracted to men with money... I can't say with certainty that that's true. If that was the case, any guy in the military should be able to walk into any trailer park / ghetto, and get the hottest chick there. But that doesn't work, does it? Every one of us knows "that guy" who tries this, and gets used by that same chick who doesn't even give him any play. While, at the same time, is fucking some lowlife who lives on her block.Well, I wouldn't lump a military man with someone who makes 6 figures a year. Nor would I put trailer park girls in the same category as "normal intelligence" women either. But you still hit on a big conundrum of which part of the trifecta of manly traits wins out, "hunter" (low-life), or provider (military). Put a guy with serious amounts of cash, say Rainmaker, and lets see if the druggie low-life wins out.


Plenty of jobless shiftless men pull the hottest women. I don't know how they do it, but they do.Sorry to hear about your bad luck with women, but there is a reason military men go to Korea and the jucies are asking them to "take me to the big BX in the sky" no matter how fuggly the guy is.

sandsjames
05-05-2016, 09:10 PM
Nope, I think women are just better at hiding it in public. Women lust just as much as men do.

You pointed out in your previous post that what women lust for is the illusion of power and money, not physical.

WILDJOKER5
05-05-2016, 09:11 PM
Keep believing that lie.
I get it, you think women are in no way like men.

WILDJOKER5
05-05-2016, 09:13 PM
You pointed out in your previous post that what women lust for is the illusion of power and money, not physical.

They don't lust for Ryan Reynolds or Channing Tatum over Gary Busey or Clint Howard?

Rusty Jones
05-05-2016, 09:22 PM
Yes I am. Men look at women physical appearances biologically just as women look at many traits of men because of biology. Men have a much larger roll in the human society than women do due to biology. Women were there just to procreate and protect the next generation while the man is supposed to be the hunter (physical), provider (financial) and putting the family at ease (personality). This was how its been up till 60 or so years ago when a few women convinced themselves they needed to be part of the mans world.

Great, but I wasn't talking about that. I was talking about putting a naked guy in the cover of a magazine not having the same effect as putting a woman there, in response to sparks.


Well, I wouldn't lump a military man with someone who makes 6 figures a year. Nor would I put trailer park girls in the same category as "normal intelligence" women either. But you still hit on a big conundrum of which part of the trifecta of manly traits wins out, "hunter" (low-life), or provider (military). Put a guy with serious amounts of cash, say Rainmaker, and lets see if the druggie low-life wins out.

A guy living in the dorms who has almost a thousand dollars every two weeks without a single bill to pay is probably the best thing that a trailor park / ghetto chick is ever going to see; in terms of men with money. If women really cared about money, it would be impossible for a man without it to get laid.


Sorry to hear about your bad luck with women, but there is a reason military men go to Korea and the jucies are asking them to "take me to the big BX in the sky" no matter how fuggly the guy is.

I'm a married man of ten years. Aren't you recently divorced?

The most sexually frustrated men I know are the "metrosexual" types that try to get women based on their looks and clothes; and then are pissed when a man who is their exact opposite are getting the women they wanted.

Remember Elliot Rodger?

Never once have I ever tried to use money or dress a certain way to attract women. Why? Because it doesn't work. For men, it's all about "game." Nothing else. GAME.

Rusty Jones
05-05-2016, 09:24 PM
I get it, you think women are in no way like men.

Yes, I do. And men who think they're going to get women the same way women get men are going to fail 100% of the time.

Rusty Jones
05-05-2016, 09:27 PM
They don't lust for Ryan Reynolds or Channing Tatum over Gary Busey or Clint Howard?

There's a BIG difference between men that women find attractive, and men that women will have sex or enter into a relationship with.

One thing I do know... women generally like being the better looking partner in the relationship. That's why you'll see the most beautiful women with ugly men.

WILDJOKER5
05-05-2016, 09:29 PM
A guy living in the dorms who has almost a thousand dollars every two weeks without a single bill to pay is probably the best thing that a trailor park / ghetto chick is ever going to see; in terms of men with money. If women really cared about money, it would be impossible for a man without it to get laid. "The goal of a man is to make more money than his wife can spend. The goal of a woman is to find that guy." But you would think that wouldn't you, but do you honestly believe that a ghetto woman is interested in a few thousand when her drug dealing meth head "friend" pulls in more?


I'm a married man of ten years. Aren't you recently divorced?And remarried with a new daughter. Good for you. Congrats.

Rusty Jones
05-05-2016, 09:37 PM
"The goal of a man is to make more money than his wife can spend. The goal of a woman is to find that guy." But you would think that wouldn't you, but do you honestly believe that a ghetto woman is interested in a few thousand when her drug dealing meth head "friend" pulls in more?



Dude, not every man in the ghetto is a drug dealer. In fact, most aren't. Generally, they're mooching off of their girlfriend's welfare check and child support money. Those are the guys I'm talking about.

By your logic, any guy in the military should be able to pull a woman that's used to dating those moochers.


And remarried with a new daughter. Good for you. Congrats.

Well, if you call moving that fast "success with women," good on you.

Rainmaker
05-05-2016, 10:58 PM
Thoughts?

Sick.

From All-American Olympic Hero on the cover of a wheaties box to a Chick with a Dick freak desecrating the American flag on the cover of S.I. in just under 40 years.

This Satanic train-car to Hell is accelerating.

garhkal
05-06-2016, 04:55 AM
Well, i have never bothered getting SI's swimsuit edition, and it doesn't seem like i will start if this is the low they are ceeping to.

WILDJOKER5
05-06-2016, 01:03 PM
Dude, not every man in the ghetto is a drug dealer. In fact, most aren't. Generally, they're mooching off of their girlfriend's welfare check and child support money. Those are the guys I'm talking about.You are making the point about getting rid of welfare here because it breeds laziness/corruption of the system.

Rusty Jones
05-06-2016, 01:09 PM
You are making the point about getting rid of welfare here because it breeds laziness/corruption of the system.

Okay, great. Now explain why you continue to think money gets the girl in response to what I just said.

WILDJOKER5
05-06-2016, 02:02 PM
Okay, great. Now explain why you continue to think money gets the girl in response to what I just said.

I guess if you are only thinking in small terms like ghetto/trailer park vs military and don't see it, it must not be true.

185

Rusty Jones
05-06-2016, 02:18 PM
I guess if you are only thinking in small terms like ghetto/trailer park vs military and don't see it, it must not be true.

185

Right, so you're going to use a humourous meme that was created years ago to make your point?

How about something real? Like the female lottery winner in North Carolina that has paid million dollar bails at least three times to get her boyfriend out of jail?

If any one of us were dating her, we could do so without touching a dime of her money.

But she chose a man who is costing her millions.

Again... money doesn't get the girl.

WILDJOKER5
05-06-2016, 02:20 PM
Right, so you're going to use a humourous meme that was created years ago to make your point?

How about something real? Like the female lottery winner in North Carolina that has paid million dollar bails at least three times to get her boyfriend out of jail?

If any one of us were dating her, we could do so without touching a dime of her money.

But she chose a man who is costing her millions.

Again... money doesn't get the girl.

Meh, women like Assholes.

Ok, so real life examples. Hugh Heffner. Donald Trump. Tom Brady. Ugly mofos with money.

Rusty Jones
05-06-2016, 02:36 PM
Meh, women like Assholes.

Ok, so real life examples. Hugh Heffner. Donald Trump. Tom Brady. Ugly mofos with money.

Well, I don't check guys out or anything... but... I would never guess that Tom Brady or a young Hugh Hefner would be considered "ugly mofos." Maybe I'm wrong. ("no homo")

In any case, it's not their money that attracts women. It's their POWER. When these guys walk into a room, they have a command presence about them. Women have a genuine attraction to these men, because of their power (i.e., these men aren't being "used").

You can have money, and still get used like a sucker if you don't have the power to go with that money. Look at Ciara and Russel Wilson - a classic victim of Alpha Fux Beta Bux.

WILDJOKER5
05-06-2016, 02:47 PM
Well, I don't check guys out or anything... but... I would never guess that Tom Brady or a young Hugh Hefner would be considered "ugly mofos." Maybe I'm wrong. ("no homo")

In any case, it's not their money that attracts women. It's their POWER. When these guys walk into a room, they have a command presence about them. Women have a genuine attraction to these men, because of their power (i.e., these men aren't being "used").

You can have money, and still get used like a sucker if you don't have the power to go with that money. Look at Ciara and Russel Wilson - a classic victim of Alpha Fux Beta Bux.

But as you just said, Ciara is there for the money, not the power. Even a guy being used for his money still has the woman with him. I get all that you are saying, lets just make it the easiest visual for all of us and use the relationship in the movie "Casino". You know the one I am referring to right?

Rusty Jones
05-06-2016, 03:01 PM
But as you just said, Ciara is there for the money, not the power. Even a guy being used for his money still has the woman with him. I get all that you are saying, lets just make it the easiest visual for all of us and use the relationship in the movie "Casino". You know the one I am referring to right?

I've never seen it. I don't watch alot of movies (yes, I know that I need to).

But I'm going to focus on this:


Even a guy being used for his money still has the woman with him.

Here's the difference between that, and men being attracted to women based on looks: as men, we won't even give a woman a CHANCE if she doesn't meet our individual appearance requirements. But if she does, we pursue a relationship with her, and there are genuine feelings there because she passed that hurdle. That being said, "using a woman for her looks" is impossible. I mean... unless you're with a hot chick that physically abuses you and all that shit, but you stay with her because she's hot. I mean, I know people who stay because "cheaper to keep her," but not because she's hot. On top of that, we're generally faithful to these women.

In the case of Russel Wilson and other victims of Alpha Fux Beta Bux... let's be serious. If you have money and you're being used, I can guaran-fucking-tee that the woman using you is getting her brains fucked out by a man who actually acts like he has pair... and he's probably getting more ass from her than the sucker she's using. She comes home at night, and turns her back on that sucker when they get in bed.

Mjölnir
05-06-2016, 03:12 PM
So proud to be an American. What a great image to convey the strength of our country.

Use this one:

http://www.extremeoutfitters.us/images/products/detail/1501MarineRecon450Pwm.jpg

sparks82
05-06-2016, 03:17 PM
Im not even going to look for that on work computer.

He needs his metals striped from him since he technically cheated by competing in the gender he didn't identify with.

Striped? How do you stripe medals? Good luck getting those medals striped or stripped from her. She became that alpha male because of the confliction within about her gender identity at the time. So she earned those medals.

sparks82
05-06-2016, 03:18 PM
Just to clarify, it's a he and he is severely mentally ill. Gender cannot be reassigned. A homosexual can have their organs maimed and deformed but they cannot change gender. It's no different than if I were to have a tail sewn on to my back and a horn on my head and tell people I'm a unicorn. As trendy and cool as that might be, people would call me a crackpot.

How 'bout people quit celebrating this wacko as if he is a symbol of strength. Do what needs to be done and put him in a mental institution so he can be treated.

Just to clarify she is a she not an it or a he but you have your opinion. It's not up to you to decide these things.

WILDJOKER5
05-06-2016, 03:22 PM
Here's the difference between that, and men being attracted to women based on looks: as men, we won't even give a woman a CHANCE if she doesn't meet our individual appearance requirements. But if she does, we pursue a relationship with her, and there are genuine feelings there because she passed that hurdle. That being said, "using a woman for her looks" is impossible. I mean... unless you're with a hot chick that physically abuses you and all that shit, but you stay with her because she's hot. I mean, I know people who stay because "cheaper to keep her," but not because she's hot. On top of that, we're generally faithful to these women.I dated one woman who was smoking hot. 5 foot nothing, 100 lbs, blond and D cups. But when she drank, she got physical. Me, a 6'1" 230 lbs man, if felt like gnats trying to hit me. But even gnats get frustrating after a bit. I went back a couple of times only cause she was hot, but nothing changed. But she did keep talking about being with her ex who made 6 figures even though she hated most everything else about him. I know its anecdotal, but just one example. And she was a school teacher so she wasn't with me the military guy for my money.


In the case of Russel Wilson and other victims of Alpha Fux Beta Bux... let's be serious. If you have money and you're being used, I can guaran-fucking-tee that the woman using you is getting her brains fucked out by a man who actually acts like he has pair... and he's probably getting more ass from her than the sucker she's using. She comes home at night, and turns her back on that sucker when they get in bed.
But she keeps coming back. And I bet she still gives him some nookie at times.

sparks82
05-06-2016, 03:23 PM
Men aren't objectified, because women aren't as interested in looking at a man's body. Maybe gay men are, but not women.

If a woman walks into a room full of men and flashes her tits, every man in the room will be tripping over each other to grab them. If a man walks into a room full of women and flashes his dick, the women will be grossed out and they'll all tell him to put it away.

If someone wants to objectify men, they have to market it to gay men.

Really? Women don't like looking at men's bodies? Um...yeah you should've seen how full Magic Mike was when it was in theaters. I felt like I was in an actual strip club the way women acted. I was waiting for dollar bills to get tossed at the screen. Women may not like looking at dicks - but we like to look at men's bodies. There are male strip clubs that women frequent and there are the traveling acts like "Thunder from Down Under" that's like Magic Mike and there's another group like that too. Or like Chippendale's.

Women objectify men. There are how many of the shirtless pictures of men like Ryan Reynolds or Dwayne Johnson and so on. Just because we don't like to look at dick picks - I mean do men like vagina shots? Is that attractive to you to see some vagina? Probably not. Women like to fantasize about guys like Ryan Reynolds or Chris Pratt or whoever is ripped and famous. That doesn't mean that's the guy we go for.

I find it odd that you think you know how women think and what we are attracted to and it's funny because you are waay off base. Women are attracted to different men (straight women) but that doesn't mean we never objectify. Or check out a hot guy with ripped abs running shirtless down the street or notice a nice ass in a pair of jeans.

sparks82
05-06-2016, 03:26 PM
Women don't prefer Ryan Reynolds to Galifinakus? They don't objectify the mans wallet? They would like a dull, boring man over a lively funny guy? Women "Objectify" men too, its called "attraction".

He pulls out his platinum card and offer to pay for everyone, they will flock to him and poke holes in condoms to try and trap him.

And be honest, if Rosie Odonnell slashed her tits, are you staring?


Nah, plenty women love seeing well dressed men.

I don't care if a guy has money. If some guy walked in and flashed a card and offered to pay for everything I definitely would not fuck him. If he wants to pay for something, ok. I mean he just said he's going to pay for everything not "I'll pay for everything if you have sex with me." Some women are that shallow. As are some men.

I like Ryan Reynolds and Zach Galifanikus. There are a few movies where I thought Galifanikus was kind of attractive. I like funny guys though. My first celebrity crush was Adam Sandler. Most of my celeb crushes have been comedians.

It just depends on the person honestly. But yes women do objectify men but not based on their wallet. We can objectify based on looks and do as there are men who pose shirtless in some magazines. Or in a nice suit. We still base it on how they look.

sparks82
05-06-2016, 03:28 PM
...you're saying that objectification and attraction are the same thing? Man...



LOL, women being attracted to men with money... I can't say with certainty that that's true. If that was the case, any guy in the military should be able to walk into any trailor park / ghetto, and get the hottest chick there. But that doesn't work, does it? Every one of us knows "that guy" who tries this, and gets used by that same chick who doesn't even give him any play. While, at the same time, is fucking some lowlife who lives on her block.

Plenty of jobless shiftless men pull the hottest women. I don't know how they do it, but they do.

There are hot chicks in trailer park ghettos? Usually the military men - privates usually - get the strippers. I saw so many young soldiers marrying strippers in my first several years in. Then it didn't work out and they were actually surprised.

Some women are shallow enough to go after money. You do know what a dependa is don't you?

sparks82
05-06-2016, 03:30 PM
They don't lust for Ryan Reynolds or Channing Tatum over Gary Busey or Clint Howard?

This is why women like Ryan Reynolds and Channing Tatum - yes there is the looks factor but it's also overall their personality. They appear to be good fathers and husbands. They appear to treat their wives very well and take care of their children and THAT more than the looks is what attracts the majority of women to them.

I'm pretty sure Busey is married but in his later years he's gone pretty crazy and that turns women off. I guarantee you most people don't know who Clint Howard even is until you show them a picture.

WILDJOKER5
05-06-2016, 03:35 PM
I don't care if a guy has money. If some guy walked in and flashed a card and offered to pay for everything I definitely would not fuck him. If he wants to pay for something, ok. I mean he just said he's going to pay for everything not "I'll pay for everything if you have sex with me." Some women are that shallow. As are some men. And not all men will go to the woman who is hot. Don't get me wrong, I do believe looks are a starting point, but if given a chance, some women can scoot through the looks barrier with some personality. Visa versa for guys too.


I like Ryan Reynolds and Zach Galifanikus. There are a few movies where I thought Galifanikus was kind of attractive. I like funny guys though. My first celebrity crush was Adam Sandler. Most of my celeb crushes have been comedians. Well, you prove another aspect of the male trifecta. Since you were watching the movie, it wasn't just because of the guys looks, but you became attracted because of the comic relief that gives women a "calming" sense and puts them at ease.


It just depends on the person honestly. But yes women do objectify men but not based on their wallet. We can objectify based on looks and do as there are men who pose shirtless in some magazines. Or in a nice suit. We still base it on how they look.
Right. You have Tom Cruise who may be hot to you, but then he goes bat shit crazy talking about Scientology, his personality destroys the looks. You have Donald Trump, maybe not you, but would you agree his wife is attracted to his wallet? Zach, were you attracted to his looks or after watching his movie where he was funny did you become attracted to him?

sparks82
05-06-2016, 03:37 PM
Meh, women like Assholes.

Ok, so real life examples. Hugh Heffner. Donald Trump. Tom Brady. Ugly mofos with money.

Tom Brady isn't ugly - but he is an asshole or seems to come off as one. Hugh Hefner wasn't horrible looking when he was young. He must have something to offer besides money...just saying. Trump yeah he's ugly but maybe some women find him attractive.

Women don't like assholes. What happens is the asshole guys pretend to be nice and once they get what they want, the asshole comes out and then now we feel that all men are assholes and can't trust anyone again because the assholes fuck it up for the nice guys.

sparks82
05-06-2016, 03:39 PM
I dated one woman who was smoking hot. 5 foot nothing, 100 lbs, blond and D cups. But when she drank, she got physical. Me, a 6'1" 230 lbs man, if felt like gnats trying to hit me. But even gnats get frustrating after a bit. I went back a couple of times only cause she was hot, but nothing changed. But she did keep talking about being with her ex who made 6 figures even though she hated most everything else about him. I know its anecdotal, but just one example. And she was a school teacher so she wasn't with me the military guy for my money.


But she keeps coming back. And I bet she still gives him some nookie at times.

But she was with you not the ex so there was something about you she wanted even though she had this guy who made "six figures." What does her being a school teacher prove? They make less than just about anyone. So she was probably with you because you made more money than she did.

sparks82
05-06-2016, 03:42 PM
And not all men will go to the woman who is hot. Don't get me wrong, I do believe looks are a starting point, but if given a chance, some women can scoot through the looks barrier with some personality. Visa versa for guys too.

Well, you prove another aspect of the male trifecta. Since you were watching the movie, it wasn't just because of the guys looks, but you became attracted because of the comic relief that gives women a "calming" sense and puts them at ease.


Right. You have Tom Cruise who may be hot to you, but then he goes bat shit crazy talking about Scientology, his personality destroys the looks. You have Donald Trump, maybe not you, but would you agree his wife is attracted to his wallet? Zach, were you attracted to his looks or after watching his movie where he was funny did you become attracted to him?

Probably personality with Galifinakis - and even sometimes Will Ferrell isn't half bad looking.

I was never really into Tom Cruise - maybe because he's so short? Sorry I can't date short guys. I'm tall for a female and I tried to date a short guy and it was just weird and awkward - and it didn't help he turned into a stalker either but the short thing just bothered me.

I'm sure his wife did marry him for money but maybe she loves him now? I don't know. That's just weird.

WILDJOKER5
05-06-2016, 03:46 PM
But she was with you not the ex so there was something about you she wanted even though she had this guy who made "six figures." What does her being a school teacher prove? They make less than just about anyone. So she was probably with you because you made more money than she did.

She was with me, but still talking about the ex. Seemed very unsettling.

The Teacher thing was to show its not just trailer park or ghetto girls who can miss the point. We were about equal cause of how much education she had. And yes, after I broke up with her, she went back to the ex.

sparks82
05-06-2016, 03:49 PM
She was with me, but still talking about the ex. Seemed very unsettling.

The Teacher thing was to show its not just trailer park or ghetto girls who can miss the point. We were about equal cause of how much education she had. And yes, after I broke up with her, she went back to the ex.

Ok - some women are shallow as fuck. So are some men. There are a lot of people who talk about their exes with their new partner. You probably should have just left then and stayed away but you kept going back because she's hot.

sandsjames
05-06-2016, 03:55 PM
Just to clarify she is a she not an it or a he but you have your opinion. It's not up to you to decide these things.He still has a penis. It's not opinion anymore than dinosaurs once existing is opinion. Kindergarten Cop pointed it out very clearly. "Boys have a penis, girls have a vagina". It's not really up for debate.

WILDJOKER5
05-06-2016, 03:57 PM
Ok - some women are shallow as fuck. So are some men. There are a lot of people who talk about their exes with their new partner. You probably should have just left then and stayed away but you kept going back because she's hot.
And the sex was great, but I let it go once she got her DUI. She had all sorts of mess going on in her head.

Rusty Jones
05-06-2016, 03:57 PM
Really? Women don't like looking at men's bodies? Um...yeah you should've seen how full Magic Mike was when it was in theaters. I felt like I was in an actual strip club the way women acted. I was waiting for dollar bills to get tossed at the screen. Women may* not like looking at dicks - but we like to look at men's bodies. There are male strip clubs that women frequent and there are the traveling acts like "Thunder from Down Under" that's like Magic Mike and there's another group like that too. Or like Chippendale's.
Yeah, but there isn't as big a market for it.* How many Playgirl magazines do you have stacked away your closet?* None, right?* Playgirl actually exists as a result of Second Wave Feminism. women fought for it.* They bought them at first, now they don't.* Playgirl still sells.* How, you ask?* Because gay men buy it.
Sex sells.* Men, whether gay or straight, are the ones buying it.

Women objectify men. There are how many of the shirtless pictures of men like Ryan Reynolds or Dwayne Johnson and so on. Just because we don't like to look at dick picks - I mean do men like vagina shots? Is that attractive to you to see some vagina? Probably not. Women like to fantasize about guys like Ryan Reynolds or Chris Pratt or whoever is ripped and famous. That doesn't mean that's the guy we go for.
Yes, actually.* I can speak for ALL heterosexual men when I say we LOVE looking at vagina; most of us even more so than breasts.

I find it odd that you think you know how women think and what we are attracted to and it's funny because you are waay off base. Women are attracted to different men (straight women) but that doesn't mean we never objectify. Or check out a hot guy with ripped abs running shirtless down the street or notice a nice ass in a pair of jeans.
You speak from the point of view of a woman, and that's good.* Me?* I speak from the point of view of a man that actually has to do the job of attractive women, which requires an understanding of how women think.
Truth be told, as a woman who has to do the job of attractive men, I'd actually consider your thoughts on how men think to be very valuable.
One thing that I've always told people is to never give or take dating advice from someone of the opposite sex.* If you need advice, seek out someone of the same sex who has the success you wish to emulate.

Rusty Jones
05-06-2016, 04:01 PM
There are hot chicks in trailer park ghettos? Usually the military men - privates usually - get the strippers. I saw so many young soldiers marrying strippers in my first several years in. Then it didn't work out and they were actually surprised.

Some women are shallow enough to go after money. You do know what a dependa is don't you?

You think there are no hot women in the ghetto / trailer park? A woman has to be middle class to be attractive?

Where do you think most of these strippers are from?

WILDJOKER5
05-06-2016, 04:02 PM
You speak from the point of view of a woman, and that's good.* Me?* I speak from the point of view of a man that actually has to do the job of attractive women, which requires an understanding of how women think.You're a stripper?

WILDJOKER5
05-06-2016, 04:04 PM
You think there are no hot women in the ghetto / trailer park? A woman has to be middle class to be attractive?

Where do you think most of these strippers are from?

Single mother house holds with daddy issues.

Rusty Jones
05-06-2016, 04:13 PM
Single mother house holds with daddy issues.

A good number of which are in the ghetto/trailor park.

The point is, socioeconomic status has NOTHING to do with looks.

Fuck, how many times have you walked into Burger King and had a hot chick in her 20's jockeying the cash register?

If women were really about that money, a hot chick would NEVER have to do that job. Fuck, an E5 should b able to walk right in, make her quit herjob, and walk right out with her if that was the case.

We'd all be doing it too, if we knew we could.

WILDJOKER5
05-06-2016, 04:23 PM
A good number of which are in the ghetto/trailor park.

The point is, socioeconomic status has NOTHING to do with looks.

Fuck, how many times have you walked into Burger King and had a hot chick in her 20's jockeying the cash register?

If women were really about that money, a hot chick would NEVER have to do that job. Fuck, an E5 should b able to walk right in, make her quit herjob, and walk right out with her if that was the case.

We'd all be doing it too, if we knew we could.

I sure don't think its a socioeconomic thing for looks.

On the other hand, even the hot guy needs to have some game. Guy looking like John Cena cant walk into BK and get her to quit her job either and come with him. But if you have a guy that is semi-decent looking, walk up to her, profess his love and show her the winning lotto ticket telling her she wouldn't have to work again, bet there's a better chance she'd leave with him before the broke ass John Cena.

sandsjames
05-06-2016, 04:37 PM
One thing women love is men with confidence. Men with a lot of money are going to be very confident, generally, which makes them more attractive. Also, thousands of years of evolution have made women attracted to security...generally money ensures security, so women are also attracted to that.

Attractive men also have a lot of confidence, generally, so it's not so much the looks as it is the confidence. That's why, occasionally, you'll see an ugly guy with a hot chick even if he isn't rich. He acts with confidence.

Rusty Jones
05-06-2016, 04:39 PM
On the other hand, even the hot guy needs to have some game.

Actually, he needs MORE game. The reason why women choose ugly guys is because they perceive "hot" guys to be narcissists.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/verena-von-pfetten/why-women-gladly-date-ugl_b_100704.html

sparks82
05-06-2016, 05:10 PM
He still has a penis. It's not opinion anymore than dinosaurs once existing is opinion. Kindergarten Cop pointed it out very clearly. "Boys have a penis, girls have a vagina". It's not really up for debate.

Actually do you know for a fact she hasn't had gender reassignment? It's honestly not my or your business but I believe I read her gender transition was complete. To me that would say she had reassignment surgery. So if she doesn't have a penis there goes your argument. But again not my business and not your business if she has or hasn't had the surgery.

sandsjames
05-06-2016, 05:16 PM
Actually do you know for a fact she hasn't had gender reassignment? Yes, I know for a fact.


It's honestly not my or your business but I believe I read her gender transition was complete. Someone who makes their entire life public on TV or in magazines and has profited from reality shows can't determine what is and what isn't the public's business. They have made it their business to make it my business.


To me that would say she had reassignment surgery. So if she doesn't have a penis there goes your argument. But again not my business and not your business if she has or hasn't had the surgery.You are wrong. He hasn't had himself maimed and mutilated yet.

sparks82
05-06-2016, 05:19 PM
Yeah, but there isn't as big a market for it.* How many Playgirl magazines do you have stacked away your closet?* None, right?* Playgirl actually exists as a result of Second Wave Feminism. women fought for it.* They bought them at first, now they don't.* Playgirl still sells.* How, you ask?* Because gay men buy it.
Sex sells.* Men, whether gay or straight, are the ones buying it.

Yes, actually.* I can speak for ALL heterosexual men when I say we LOVE looking at vagina; most of us even more so than breasts.

You speak from the point of view of a woman, and that's good.* Me?* I speak from the point of view of a man that actually has to do the job of attractive women, which requires an understanding of how women think.
Truth be told, as a woman who has to do the job of attractive men, I'd actually consider your thoughts on how men think to be very valuable.
One thing that I've always told people is to never give or take dating advice from someone of the opposite sex.* If you need advice, seek out someone of the same sex who has the success you wish to emulate.

No we don't get Playgirl (does it even exist still?) but the male strip clubs - the few that exist - are a big deal. I can guarantee you that.

I have never heard any heterosexual man ever say "Man I wonder what her vagina looks like." Never. I hear about breasts, butts, legs, and every other body part. But I have never heard guys sit there and talk about "I bet she's got a great pussy" or something about vaginas. I have heard them talk about guessing what it might smell like or something. I've been in mostly male units for the majority of my time and hung around mainly guys. And they did not shy away from talking about what guys talk about. I have heard damn near anything and everything.

Of course I speak from the point of view of a woman - attracted to men. What do you mean point of view of a man that has to do the job of an attractive woman? How would I have to do the job of an attractive man? Attraction is dependent on the person and changes from person to person. What I find attractive some other women might not -and in fact don't. I have had conversations with female friends about who I find attractive and they do and sometimes I get "ugh really?" and I'll tell them "Really? That guy?" Even with just regular guys we know. It depends on the person male or female. Just like with my ex - some of the women he's dated or fucked and thought were attractive and I saw pics of them and I'm like "Really?" Some women in his past are attractive and I've heard a few were pretty normal and cool. But most of them...ugh.

sparks82
05-06-2016, 05:22 PM
You think there are no hot women in the ghetto / trailer park? A woman has to be middle class to be attractive?

Where do you think most of these strippers are from?

I don't know. My experience with meeting people in trailer parks is they aren't the most attractive...and my experience with strip clubs is limited to Junction City, KS...if that explains it. They were not hot strippers there. At all.

sparks82
05-06-2016, 05:24 PM
Yes, I know for a fact.

Someone who makes their entire life public on TV or in magazines and has profited from reality shows can't determine what is and what isn't the public's business. They have made it their business to make it my business.

You are wrong. He hasn't had himself maimed and mutilated yet.

How do you know for a fact? Have you met her? Seen her naked? Then you don't know for a fact.

Actually even celebrities can determine what is or isn't public business. They still have rights you know.

Again unless you have personally examined her genitals, you don't know.

sandsjames
05-06-2016, 05:27 PM
How do you know for a fact? Have you met her? Seen her naked? Then you don't know for a fact. Because there have been several stories about it...though if it will make you feel like you win, I'll say that I don't know for a fact.


Actually even celebrities can determine what is or isn't public business. They still have rights you know. Right...but he made his gender bending public...turned it into a reality show, and is using it to make money and get on the cover of a magazine. Nothing about his gender is private.


Again unless you have personally examined her genitals, you don't know.You're right. I also don't know for a fact that it's still sunny outside because I haven't been out there for a couple hours. I'd put money on it that it is, though.

sparks82
05-06-2016, 05:32 PM
Because there have been several stories about it...though if it will make you feel like you win, I'll say that I don't know for a fact.

Right...but he made his gender bending public...turned it into a reality show, and is using it to make money and get on the cover of a magazine. Nothing about his gender is private.

You're right. I also don't know for a fact that it's still sunny outside because I haven't been out there for a couple hours. I'd put money on it that it is, though.

And you could be wrong about the weather or about Jenner. Either way does it matter to you what her genitalia entails? If it does, you need help. I don't care who has what under their pants honestly. Not my business. Not my problem.

Rusty Jones
05-06-2016, 05:32 PM
Last I heard, Caitlyn Jenner stated that there was no intention of getting the surgery done. In fact, I heard about Caitlyn second-guessing that female identity.

If I'm not mistaken, however, the breasts are implants and not a result of estrogen supplements. So if Caitlyn wanted to go back to being Bruce, then those breasts would have to be surgically removed.

Here's the deal... I'll respect someone's new gender identity AFTER the surgery is done. I'll refer to them by their preferred gender pronoun; the whole nine yards. HOWEVER.... that's me doing it out of respect, NOT out of agreement or belief that their sex was actually changed. Because I DON'T believe that.

Do any of YOU? Here's the true test: if you're heterosexual, you go on date. Everything's going well... you find this person attractive, they have a great personality, and they have all the attributes you're looking for. Toward the end of dinner, they drop the bomb: they were born the opposite sex.

Do you continue, or do you end the date?

If you TRULY believe that a change of sex had occured, you would continue the date. If not, you would end the date. Why? Because you don't TRULY see them as the sex that you're attracted to.

sparks82
05-06-2016, 06:01 PM
Last I heard, Caitlyn Jenner stated that there was no intention of getting the surgery done. In fact, I heard about Caitlyn second-guessing that female identity.

If I'm not mistaken, however, the breasts are implants and not a result of estrogen supplements. So if Caitlyn wanted to go back to being Bruce, then those breasts would have to be surgically removed.

Here's the deal... I'll respect someone's new gender identity AFTER the surgery is done. I'll refer to them by their preferred gender pronoun; the whole nine yards. HOWEVER.... that's me doing it out of respect, NOT out of agreement or belief that their sex was actually changed. Because I DON'T believe that.

Do any of YOU? Here's the true test: if you're heterosexual, you go on date. Everything's going well... you find this person attractive, they have a great personality, and they have all the attributes you're looking for. Toward the end of dinner, they drop the bomb: they were born the opposite sex.

Do you continue, or do you end the date?

If you TRULY believe that a change of sex had occured, you would continue the date. If not, you would end the date. Why? Because you don't TRULY see them as the sex that you're attracted to.



I did a quick Google search. Two articles were tabloids stating in December she allegedly said she regretted it and wanted to go back - but I don't take much stock in Star or In Touch.

The article I did find she stated she was in pain after her several surgeries and that she had a moment after facial surgery for about 15 seconds "What am I doing?" However therapists state that is completely normal for people who transition and usually passes. I didn't see anything about reassignment but - again - not my concern or issue. I don't care.

I have asked that very question about what would someone do if they met someone and hit it off and they say they were born the opposite gender they appear to be. I asked my ex that before and he was a little unsure. I even said if she had all the reassignment surgeries and everything else done. What would you do? He was thrown off.

What would I do if I met a man and he said he was born a woman? I don't know. I honestly don't know. I would have to be in that situation to decide. It's easy to say hypothetically but no one knows for sure what they would do about any given situation until it happens.

sandsjames
05-06-2016, 06:03 PM
And you could be wrong about the weather or about Jenner. Either way does it matter to you what her genitalia entails? If it does, you need help. I don't care who has what under their pants honestly. Not my business. Not my problem.You're right. You win. Girl Power!

sparks82
05-06-2016, 06:04 PM
You're right. You win. Girl Power!

That's not even what I was saying...you're a little slow aren't you?

sandsjames
05-06-2016, 06:05 PM
That's not even what I was saying...you're a little slow aren't you?I am...now you reply...and I won't, and you can have the last word.

Rusty Jones
05-06-2016, 06:11 PM
What would I do if I met a man and he said he was born a woman? I don't know. I honestly don't know. I would have to be in that situation to decide. It's easy to say hypothetically but no one knows for sure what they would do about any given situation until it happens.

The fact that you're unsure... means that you don't truly believe that a change of sex has occurred. Sure, you might find a way to cope with it or deal with it... but you wouldn't have to do that with a cisgender man. You're treating them differently.

sparks82
05-06-2016, 06:14 PM
The fact that you're unsure... means that you don't truly believe that a change of sex has occurred. Sure, you might find a way to cope with it or deal with it... but you wouldn't have to do that with a cisgender man. You're treating them differently.

I'm just saying I don't know what I would do if someone said they had been born a woman. Just like I'm not sure how I would react if a man told me he is bisexual or had sex with men at some point.

I can't say what I would do in a hypothetical situation because it hasn't happened. Like I said I would never get hit by a boyfriend or husband - and yet I did. It did happen. I said I would react one way if it did and I didn't. Because it took me by surprise. You can't plan for every situation or scenario in the world.

garhkal
05-06-2016, 07:18 PM
I guess if you are only thinking in small terms like ghetto/trailer park vs military and don't see it, it must not be true.

185

Gee. Flat ugly slob of a man gets a real looker 2 days after winning lots of dosh. Who'da thunk.. IMO if that gold digger wouldn't have given him the time of day BEFORE he made it big, he should be telling HER "I ain't gonna give you the time of day now i HAVE made it big".


Meh, women like Assholes.

Ok, so real life examples. Hugh Heffner. Donald Trump. Tom Brady. Ugly mofos with money.

So all women are gold diggers. Only liking those with dosh.


Just to clarify she is a she not an it or a he but you have your opinion. It's not up to you to decide these things.

And neither is it up to THEM to redefine a definition that has been around for thousands of years and then force me to accept it.


He still has a penis. It's not opinion anymore than dinosaurs once existing is opinion. Kindergarten Cop pointed it out very clearly. "Boys have a penis, girls have a vagina". It's not really up for debate.

Alert the damn presses. Me and SJ are on the same wavelength, for a third time in 2 days. Holy spitballs!!

But to add, even if you DO get it lopped off and sewn inside, your DNA still says "You are male", not female.


Someone who makes their entire life public on TV or in magazines and has profited from reality shows can't determine what is and what isn't the public's business. They have made it their business to make it my business.

Damn skippy. If YOU put yourself out there, then you don't have much of a leg to stand on saying "my private life is private not public".. If you don't want it public then don't keep putting yourself out there!



Do any of YOU? Here's the true test: if you're heterosexual, you go on date. Everything's going well... you find this person attractive, they have a great personality, and they have all the attributes you're looking for. Toward the end of dinner, they drop the bomb: they were born the opposite sex.

Do you continue, or do you end the date?

If you TRULY believe that a change of sex had occured, you would continue the date. If not, you would end the date. Why? Because you don't TRULY see them as the sex that you're attracted to.

I've heard of 3 guys currently in jail cause when that DID happen to them, they went on a rampage against said genderbender, for deceiving them..

sparks82
05-06-2016, 08:12 PM
Gee. Flat ugly slob of a man gets a real looker 2 days after winning lots of dosh. Who'da thunk.. IMO if that gold digger wouldn't have given him the time of day BEFORE he made it big, he should be telling HER "I ain't gonna give you the time of day now i HAVE made it big".



So all women are gold diggers. Only liking those with dosh.



And neither is it up to THEM to redefine a definition that has been around for thousands of years and then force me to accept it.



Alert the damn presses. Me and SJ are on the same wavelength, for a third time in 2 days. Holy spitballs!!

But to add, even if you DO get it lopped off and sewn inside, your DNA still says "You are male", not female.



Damn skippy. If YOU put yourself out there, then you don't have much of a leg to stand on saying "my private life is private not public".. If you don't want it public then don't keep putting yourself out there!



I've heard of 3 guys currently in jail cause when that DID happen to them, they went on a rampage against said genderbender, for deceiving them..

That wasn't an actual thing that meme. That was a fake meme made up you know that right?

Oh we don't change the definitions of words that have been around for thousands of years? Really? Are you sure about that?

http://ideas.ted.com/20-words-that-once-meant-something-very-different/

http://mentalfloss.com/article/61876/11-words-meanings-have-changed-drastically-over-time

So if someone is untruthful to you about any aspect of their life it's okay to beat the living shit out of them? I'm sure they told them before they had sex especially if they hadn't had reassignment surgery. I don't see how it calls for beating the shit out of someone to the point you're in jail.

Rusty Jones
05-06-2016, 08:18 PM
So if someone is untruthful to you about any aspect of their life it's okay to beat the living shit out of them? I'm sure they told them before they had sex especially if they hadn't had reassignment surgery. I don't see how it calls for beating the shit out of someone to the point you're in jail.

Getting duped into a homosexual act? Yeah, I think most straight guys are gonna go apeshit on the guy that duped them.

At least in the UK, you can go to jail for duping someone into homosexual sex. This happened about a year ago, when a woman was using a strap-on the whole time.

sandsjames
05-06-2016, 09:43 PM
Getting duped into a homosexual act? Yeah, I think most straight guys are gonna go apeshit on the guy that duped them.

At least in the UK, you can go to jail for duping someone into homosexual sex. This happened about a year ago, when a woman was using a strap-on the whole time.

If I remember right, there was a very volatile conversation on here about getting duped that led to several bannings.

Rusty Jones
05-07-2016, 01:02 AM
If I remember right, there was a very volatile conversation on here about getting duped that led to several bannings.

Well, AA is no longer here to engage me on this, so I'm pretty safe.

sandsjames
05-07-2016, 03:12 AM
well, aa is no longer here to engage me on this, so i'm pretty safe.

lol.......

garhkal
05-07-2016, 04:35 AM
That wasn't an actual thing that meme. That was a fake meme made up you know that right?


Actually no i didn't know it wasn't real..


Oh we don't change the definitions of words that have been around for thousands of years? Really? Are you sure about that?

http://ideas.ted.com/20-words-that-once-meant-something-very-different/

http://mentalfloss.com/article/61876/11-words-meanings-have-changed-drastically-over-time

That's not the same as male-female now Cix and XIX gender though.




So if someone is untruthful to you about any aspect of their life it's okay to beat the living shit out of them? I'm sure they told them before they had sex especially if they hadn't had reassignment surgery. I don't see how it calls for beating the shit out of someone to the point you're in jail.

How is me commenting i know 3 guys are in that boat, ME condoning what they did??

WILDJOKER5
05-09-2016, 12:43 PM
Last I heard, Caitlyn Jenner stated that there was no intention of getting the surgery done. In fact, I heard about Caitlyn second-guessing that female identity.

If I'm not mistaken, however, the breasts are implants and not a result of estrogen supplements. So if Caitlyn wanted to go back to being Bruce, then those breasts would have to be surgically removed.

Here's the deal... I'll respect someone's new gender identity AFTER the surgery is done. I'll refer to them by their preferred gender pronoun; the whole nine yards. HOWEVER.... that's me doing it out of respect, NOT out of agreement or belief that their sex was actually changed. Because I DON'T believe that.

Do any of YOU? Here's the true test: if you're heterosexual, you go on date. Everything's going well... you find this person attractive, they have a great personality, and they have all the attributes you're looking for. Toward the end of dinner, they drop the bomb: they were born the opposite sex.

Do you continue, or do you end the date?

If you TRULY believe that a change of sex had occured, you would continue the date. If not, you would end the date. Why? Because you don't TRULY see them as the sex that you're attracted to.
Id be respectful enough to wish them a happy, short lived life cause the chances of suicide are the highest amount transpeople with that type of mental illness, pre-op ore post-op. So more than likely, my rejection of them wont play a big role in their future actions of taking their own life.

WILDJOKER5
05-09-2016, 12:48 PM
The fact that you're unsure... means that you don't truly believe that a change of sex has occurred. Sure, you might find a way to cope with it or deal with it... but you wouldn't have to do that with a cisgender man. You're treating them differently.

That's an unfair question for women though. Since most women will still be sexually attracted to other women, and the "dude" is still a woman.

I would stay away from all the dating if I was living in southeast asia just so I wouldn't have a chance on mistakenly taking home a ladyboy.

Mjölnir
05-09-2016, 01:52 PM
Do you continue, or do you end the date?

Am I paying or are they paying? Depending on the place etc. I may finish the meal ... add on a dessert or two to boot.

WILDJOKER5
05-09-2016, 02:01 PM
Am I paying or are they paying? Depending on the place etc. I may finish the meal ... add on a dessert or two to boot.

Maybe a shot of tequila or 5??? lol

garhkal
05-09-2016, 06:33 PM
That's an unfair question for women though. Since most women will still be sexually attracted to other women, and the "dude" is still a woman.

I would stay away from all the dating if I was living in southeast asia just so I wouldn't have a chance on mistakenly taking home a ladyboy.


That's a good point. From all i know/have seen, the # of women who 'swing both ways' is at least 20 to 1 over men...

sandsjames
05-09-2016, 08:22 PM
That's a good point. From all i know/have seen, the # of women who 'swing both ways' is at least 20 to 1 over men...

I have no idea if this is true or not, but it seems like an urban myth to me. I know it seems that way but most of the time girls will do stuff just to tease guys. The other reason it may seem like it's a large ratio is because it seems more accepted for women to be with other women. I wonder what the real stats would show...

Rainmaker
05-09-2016, 08:29 PM
I can't say what I would do in a hypothetical situation because it hasn't happened. Like I said I would never get hit by a boyfriend or husband - and yet I did. It did happen. I said I would react one way if it did and I didn't. Because it took me by surprise. You can't plan for every situation or scenario in the world.

"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.” – Mike Tyson

Mjölnir
05-09-2016, 08:44 PM
I wonder what the real stats would show...

There is likely a website for that ... be careful what you google ... probably NSFW

Mjölnir
05-09-2016, 08:47 PM
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.” – Mike Tyson

"no plan of operations extends with any certainty beyond the first contact with the main hostile force." ... paraphrased: No plan survives first contact with the enemy -- Helmuth von Moltke

sandsjames
05-09-2016, 08:55 PM
There is likely a website for that ... be careful what you google ... probably NSFW

Yeah, that's why I put that there's probably a site...I'm at work so I can't check it. Oh...and no idea what NSFW is...

Rainmaker
05-09-2016, 08:57 PM
"no plan of operations extends with any certainty beyond the first contact with the main hostile force." ... paraphrased: No plan survives first contact with the enemy -- Helmuth von Moltke

Who in the hell does this old white guy Helmuth think he is?? stealing Iron Mike's quote like that!!

Mjölnir
05-10-2016, 12:12 AM
Oh...and no idea what NSFW is...

Not Safe For Work

Mjölnir
05-10-2016, 08:47 PM
garhkal

this thread?

garhkal
05-10-2016, 08:51 PM
That would be right.

Wow.. seems its now working.

garhkal
05-10-2016, 08:52 PM
I have no idea if this is true or not, but it seems like an urban myth to me. I know it seems that way but most of the time girls will do stuff just to tease guys. The other reason it may seem like it's a large ratio is because it seems more accepted for women to be with other women. I wonder what the real stats would show...

Two guys i know of who work as web-masters for porn sites, do seem to agree with that. Gal on gal sex tapes/downloads are around 25 to 1 more popular than guy on guy downloads..

sandsjames
05-10-2016, 09:02 PM
Two guys i know of who work as web-masters for porn sites, do seem to agree with that. Gal on gal sex tapes/downloads are around 25 to 1 more popular than guy on guy downloads..

Agree with what? That it's more accepted or that there are more of them?

garhkal
05-11-2016, 07:35 AM
Agree with what? That it's more accepted or that there are more of them?

Both. Its more accepted, and there are more of them.

Rusty Jones
05-11-2016, 01:05 PM
Both. Its more accepted, and there are more of them.

The stats are roughly the same for each sex, if you lump both homo and bi together. Separate the two, and a higher percentage of men than women are homo. A higher percentage of women than men are bi.

Interestingly enough, if you look at the stats before the age of internet porn, men had women beat in both categories.

I think that the boom in bisexual women is due to recent culture encouraging such behavior, and possibly straight male significant others cajoling them into it.

In any case, I think that straight men suggesting that women have men beat in both categories is reflective of their own wishful thinking.

garhkal
05-11-2016, 06:49 PM
The stats are roughly the same for each sex, if you lump both homo and bi together. Separate the two, and a higher percentage of men than women are homo. A higher percentage of women than men are bi.


Where are you getting your stats from?

Rusty Jones
05-11-2016, 07:14 PM
Where are you getting your stats from?

There are plenty of stats out there with varying numbers, though I think the NHIS is what the government goes by (not sure how much weight that carries in your opinion).

NHIS says among women, 1.5% are homo and 0.9% are bi (which contradicts most other studies I've seen, as there are more bi women than homo women in most other studies). NHIS says that for men, it's 1.8% homo and 0.4 bi.

National Survey of Family Growth says for women, it's 1.3% homo and 5.5% bi, where for men, it's 1.9% homo and 2% bi.

These are ones that I just looked just now, so... it looks like there are not going to be any accurate stats out there.

What I will say is this: because bisexuality among females is more accepted, you're going to be made to believe that there are more of them, because it's going to be more out in the open.

But... here's the irony... of all the transexuals we see, nine times out of ten they're going to be male to female transsexuals, rather than the other way around. So that indicates a possible greater propensity for homosexuality among men than women right there.

I spent the cash and bought my 2-girl special many many years ago, so I got that out of my system. I no longer have that fantasy of getting a heterosexual girlfriend to let another woman join us because, deep down, she and all other women are bi (or so most straight men wish). Nah... that's been out of my system for years now.

garhkal
05-12-2016, 04:49 AM
But... here's the irony... of all the transexuals we see, nine times out of ten they're going to be male to female transsexuals, rather than the other way around. So that indicates a possible greater propensity for homosexuality among men than women right there.

I am not sure its linked with homosexuality though. IMO its more cause of masculinity being pushed DOWN for 50+ years in favor of the feminist movement..

sparks82
05-12-2016, 05:32 PM
I am not sure its linked with homosexuality though. IMO its more cause of masculinity being pushed DOWN for 50+ years in favor of the feminist movement..

9 times out of 10? Do you have anything to back that up? Because there are no reliable statistics on transgender people in the US. Plus it's a lot easier for trans men to fly "under the radar" than trans women. It has always been more acceptable for women to be "masculine" then men to be "feminine." Ever noticed how no one criticizes a daughter - or not as much - who is a "tomboy" but will harass their son who might play with dolls? Might "act" feminine?

No one ever really had a problem that I was a tomboy. Did I ever think I'm a boy? No. I feel like a female and am female. I just grew up around boys. So I've always been comfortable around them. I wore T-shirt and jeans all the time. I wore some of my brothers' old clothes when I was little. I hated dresses. I don't mind so much now but I hate getting dressed up and putting on makeup (too time consuming). But no one ever said "Be more like a girl." And then we have the negative connotations of being a girl - "You throw like a girl." "Why are you acting like a girl? Stop crying." Things like that.

So if you think being masculine has been "pushed down" you are sorely mistaken.

Rusty Jones
05-12-2016, 05:40 PM
Yep, I said nine times out of ten. Sure, there are no stats to back it up; and to be honest, female to male trannies are far more obvious.. so they'd be far easier to pick out if there were that many. And, yes, I'm going on based on anecdates. I won't deny that. Have you seen different? Fuck, I shouldn't even ask you, because if you say "yes," I won't believe you.

sparks82
05-12-2016, 05:41 PM
Yep, I said nine times out of ten. Sure, there are no stats to back it up; and to be honest, female to male trannies are far more obvious.. so they'd be far easier to pick out if there were that many. And, yes, I'm going on based on anecdates. I won't deny that. Have you seen different? Fuck, I shouldn't even ask you, because if you say "yes," I won't believe you.

Why wouldn't you believe me? What the fuck is an "anecdate?" I don't even know how you typed that without it autocorrecting. I just had to force it to type that word.

Honestly I probably have met transgender people and didn't even know it.

Rusty Jones
05-12-2016, 05:44 PM
Why wouldn't you believe me? What the fuck is an "anecdate?" I don't even know how you typed that without it autocorrecting. I just had to force it to type that word.

Resorting to that, are we?


Honestly I probably have met transgender people and didn't even know it.

Cop out.

sparks82
05-12-2016, 06:10 PM
Resorting to that, are we?



Cop out.

How is that a cop out? I probably have met some and never knew it. The only one I know for sure is I just realized seeing a soldier from my last unit post on someone's page but looks and acts like a guy - and I knew the soldier as a female and that she was a lesbian. Now I see her with a male name and has transitioned. It appears he is still in the Army too from the few photos that are public (I'm not friends with this person on FB and didn't know him well at all in my last unit). He actually pulls off being a guy a lot better than being female. Appears to have started hormones, had breasts removed. I don't know how it works in whatever unit he is in now.

So of the one transgender I met that I KNOW has transitioned that person transitioned female to male.

garhkal
05-12-2016, 08:10 PM
9 times out of 10? Do you have anything to back that up? Because there are no reliable statistics on transgender people in the US. Plus it's a lot easier for trans men to fly "under the radar" than trans women. It has always been more acceptable for women to be "masculine" then men to be "feminine." Ever noticed how no one criticizes a daughter - or not as much - who is a "tomboy" but will harass their son who might play with dolls? Might "act" feminine?

I think you quoted the wrong person there..