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WILDJOKER5
04-25-2016, 04:09 PM
So, I have noticed a trend among the leftist. Most issues they campaign against are based off of feelings and not logic or reasoning. From POTUS debates to youtube VLOGs, you will hear talking points based on conjecture and speculations while demonizing their own projections onto the right, men, whites, cist gender, heterosexuals, etc.

Take Feminists, they claim that women are still oppressed. "Wage gap", "man-spreading", equal rights if I don't pay for their abortions, cost of products for women over men, "Man-splaining", "gamer gate", "time for a woman to be POTUS", "rape-culture", men being violent towards women and society turning a blind eye to it, etc. All of which cant be proven, or can be proven false but it doesn't match their feelings. This isn't new, I watched a documentary on the feminists of the 70s as they "celebrated" 50 years after women's suffrage was passed by demanding "equality" through getting free daycare services 24/7, equal education opportunity, and free abortions on demand for any reason. If you are for equality, how are 2 of 3 of these issues putting women on par with men? Men have nothing to do with abortions. Men have kids but don't need 24/7 daycare. They weren't asking for equal pay at the time, just the daycare. Today, women out number men in colleges, and women are completely open to take any major they wish to pursue.

Feminist hate the stay-at-home mom. They don't like her CHOICE to be there for her kids. Feminist refuse to accept that the "wage-gap" of $.70 on the $1 is based solely on men and women deciding on their careers which pay differently. Feminist claim "rape-culture" with a completely unscientific survey of 1 in 5 college women being raped, but refuse to classify male rape or "forced sex" as rape. Feminist wont fight for equality in selective service, but will fight to have women on the front lines, but only if they aren't held to the same physical standards as males. Feminist refuse to acknowledge that men are victims of domestic abuse over half the time and they have no shelters to escape to. Or how if a woman is violent and getting rough with a man in public, society laughs and snickers and ignores the man's plight.

I am NOT a Trump fan.

How about we change to the great racial divide topic now? Trump is touted as a racist because he wants to build a wall/fence with the country which is responsible for the majority of drugs into this country. A country who itself has a border wall along its southern border. Trump is accused of starting the riots at his rallies in which the protesters cause disruptions and then are escorted from the private event. Trump has never said anything racist. But yet with all of the things he has and hasn't said, he is supposedly responsible for the riots of the protesters. And if we flip the script and accuse Black lives matter movement of in-sighting riots, or the deaths of cops and whites, they cant be held responsible for what a few of their own members do. When BLM is marching down the street, causing traffic jams, screaming how they think the only good cop is a dead cop, they are just "agitated" at the system. Even when you show that whites are more likely to be killed by cops than blacks, even though more violent crimes are committed by blacks, BLM "feeeeeeelz" they are being oppressed when a person who assaults and officer is killed. Even with eye witnesses corroborating the policeman's version and evidence back him up, STILL, the cops and the system are supposedly "out to kill the black man". BTW, Black women make up the highest registration rate for colleges now.

Everything that the left touts on their platform is all about what they feel, not based on logic, facts, numbers, or provable stats. Sanders is running on the idea of "free college" for everyone, but why will that work when so many people don't take advantage of the free high school education they get now. The left is the driving force behind the minimum wage hike, but then ignore the fact that those 10 jobs will be replace with apps and automation being maintained by 1 or 2 people making $20/hr. There are 3 basic steps to not be poor, graduate high school. Wait till marriage to have kids. And work 40 hrs a week. Yes, there are caveats to those as well, but over 50% of people who follow those rules, make $50k a year.

What else can you think of that the left touts is based on feeeeelz over realz?

garhkal
04-25-2016, 06:34 PM
So, I have noticed a trend among the leftist. Most issues they campaign against are based off of feelings and not logic or reasoning. From POTUS debates to youtube VLOGs, you will hear talking points based on conjecture and speculations while demonizing their own projections onto the right, men, whites, cist gender, heterosexuals, etc.

A lot of it, is to ME cause they feel that the Now/Feelings should take precedent more so than actual facts or the future/what might happen. They seem to be the culture that espouses no responsibility, but wanting all the privileges of something. Such as equal rights, but not responsibility. Equal pay, but not equal duty...


Take Feminists, they claim that women are still oppressed. "Wage gap", "man-spreading", equal rights if I don't pay for their abortions, cost of products for women over men, "Man-splaining", "gamer gate", "time for a woman to be POTUS", "rape-culture", men being violent towards women and society turning a blind eye to it, etc. All of which cant be proven, or can be proven false but it doesn't match their feelings. This isn't new, I watched a documentary on the feminists of the 70s as they "celebrated" 50 years after women's suffrage was passed by demanding "equality" through getting free daycare services 24/7, equal education opportunity, and free abortions on demand for any reason. If you are for equality, how are 2 of 3 of these issues putting women on par with men? Men have nothing to do with abortions. Men have kids but don't need 24/7 daycare. They weren't asking for equal pay at the time, just the daycare. Today, women out number men in colleges, and women are completely open to take any major they wish to pursue.

To add to that, you see all sort of feminists going on about discrimination this, discrimination that, but have NO problems (and won't acknowledge it) with all women groups or women only facilities and such (Like gyms being women only). They rant about 'unequal access to college', when as you said they have MORE representation in damn near all US colleges than men do (most schools show at least 53-47 split), along with have access to MORE scholarship opportunities than men do (especially if they are also of another minority group).
And i have never understood how "equal access to day care' is even an issue for feminists.. I don't know of any that are male only.


Feminist hate the stay-at-home mom. They don't like her CHOICE to be there for her kids. Feminist refuse to accept that the "wage-gap" of $.70 on the $1 is based solely on men and women deciding on their careers which pay differently.

And i also agree on the rape issue. I know, just over half a dozen men who at sometime or another have been (OR should i say claimed to be) raped by women, mostly via drugging them. BUT cause Feminists and the liberals have pushed for decades men are strong-women weak, many people even today don't feel men can be


Feminist claim "rape-culture" with a completely unscientific survey of 1 in 5 college women being raped, but refuse to classify male rape or "forced sex" as rape. Feminist wont fight for equality in selective service, but will fight to have women on the front lines, but only if they aren't held to the same physical standards as males. Feminist refuse to acknowledge that men are victims of domestic abuse over half the time and they have no shelters to escape to. Or how if a woman is violent and getting rough with a man in public, society laughs and snickers and ignores the man's plight.

Good point on that they rail against 'stay at home moms', cause they feel that those SAHM's are shaming the rest of them (or something to that affect).. victims.



How about we change to the great racial divide topic now? Trump is touted as a racist because he wants to build a wall/fence with the country which is responsible for the majority of drugs into this country. A country who itself has a border wall along its southern border.

ANd what grates me more on that, is Mexicans are NOT a race, but a nationality. For decades i have had co-workers and neighbors on the left, feel if you are not fully FOR illegal immigrants to get amnesty/be allowed to stay and work etc, you are Racist.. Even though all races/ethnicities are here illegally..


Trump is accused of starting the riots at his rallies in which the protesters cause disruptions and then are escorted from the private event. Trump has never said anything racist. But yet with all of the things he has and hasn't said, he is supposedly responsible for the riots of the protesters. And if we flip the script and accuse Black lives matter movement of in-sighting riots, or the deaths of cops and whites, they cant be held responsible for what a few of their own members do. When BLM is marching down the street, causing traffic jams, screaming how they think the only good cop is a dead cop, they are just "agitated" at the system. Even when you show that whites are more likely to be killed by cops than blacks, even though more violent crimes are committed by blacks, BLM "feeeeeeelz" they are being oppressed when a person who assaults and officer is killed. Even with eye witnesses corroborating the policeman's version and evidence back him up, STILL, the cops and the system are supposedly "out to kill the black man". BTW, Black women make up the highest registration rate for colleges now.

Its more of the "you are never responsible for your own actions" culture that the left pushes imo. BUT also flies in the face of how they seem to treat those on the right/conservatives. Such as claiming all religious people are bible thumping homophobes, or that racism is inherent in white's DNA, but on the flip side, people chanting "alluah ackbar" while blowing people up, or saying "I kill this person in the name of Islam" are NOT representative of islam as a whole..

Rusty Jones
04-26-2016, 12:03 PM
So, I have noticed a trend among the leftist. Most issues they campaign against are based off of feelings and not logic or reasoning.

Yeah, the right wants to legislate morality based on the Christian faith. The right wants to appeal to voters and make laws based on fear and hate.

So...


So, I have noticed a trend among the rightist. Most issues they campaign against are based off of feelings and not logic or reasoning.

There, fixed it for ya.

WILDJOKER5
04-26-2016, 12:50 PM
Yeah, the right wants to legislate morality based on the Christian faith. The right wants to appeal to voters and make laws based on fear and hate.

So...

There, fixed it for ya.
Got any examples? Citation needed.

Rusty Jones
04-26-2016, 01:22 PM
Got any examples? Citation needed.

I've got plenty, but I'm not going to list them because I know EXACTLY where you're going to take this conversation:

"Yeah, but how is any of that racist? How is any of that misogynist? But we white Christian males have had it harder."

I'm not going there with you. You know exactly what I'm talking about, if you want to remain in denial... go to someone else with that bullshit.

WILDJOKER5
04-26-2016, 02:15 PM
I've got plenty, but I'm not going to list them because I know EXACTLY where you're going to take this conversation:

"Yeah, but how is any of that racist? How is any of that misogynist? But we white Christian males have had it harder."

I'm not going there with you. You know exactly what I'm talking about, if you want to remain in denial... go to someone else with that bullshit.

Funny, running away is now a tactic. Guess sense we are on the internet, spitting in my face or hitting me or causing a riot isn't feasible as many on the left have done when faced with this similar question.

Rusty Jones
04-26-2016, 02:52 PM
Funny, running away is now a tactic. Guess sense we are on the internet, spitting in my face or hitting me or causing a riot isn't feasible as many on the left have done when faced with this similar question.

Dude, you know it and I know it. I post what you ask for, and you're going to deny that they're racist. Am I wrong about that?

WILDJOKER5
04-26-2016, 03:43 PM
Dude, you know it and I know it. I post what you ask for, and you're going to deny that they're racist. Am I wrong about that?

Depends, are you going to say its racist to protect our borders like Mexico does? Its been a year since I have been on here, maybe things have changed?

MikeKerriii
04-26-2016, 05:14 PM
So, I have noticed a trend among the leftist. Most issues they campaign against are based off of feelings and not logic or reasoning. From POTUS debates to youtube VLOGs, you will hear talking points based on conjecture and speculations while demonizing their own projections onto the right, men, whites, cist gender, heterosexuals, etc.

Take Feminists, they claim that women are still oppressed. "Wage gap", "man-spreading", equal rights if I don't pay for their abortions, cost of products for women over men, "Man-splaining", "gamer gate", "time for a woman to be POTUS", "rape-culture", men being violent towards women and society turning a blind eye to it, etc. All of which cant be proven, or can be proven false but it doesn't match their feelings. This isn't new, I watched a documentary on the feminists of the 70s as they "celebrated" 50 years after women's suffrage was passed by demanding "equality" through getting free daycare services 24/7, equal education opportunity, and free abortions on demand for any reason. If you are for equality, how are 2 of 3 of these issues putting women on par with men? Men have nothing to do with abortions. Men have kids but don't need 24/7 daycare. They weren't asking for equal pay at the time, just the daycare. Today, women out number men in colleges, and women are completely open to take any major they wish to pursue.

Feminist hate the stay-at-home mom. They don't like her CHOICE to be there for her kids. Feminist refuse to accept that the "wage-gap" of $.70 on the $1 is based solely on men and women deciding on their careers which pay differently. Feminist claim "rape-culture" with a completely unscientific survey of 1 in 5 college women being raped, but refuse to classify male rape or "forced sex" as rape. Feminist wont fight for equality in selective service, but will fight to have women on the front lines, but only if they aren't held to the same physical standards as males. Feminist refuse to acknowledge that men are victims of domestic abuse over half the time and they have no shelters to escape to. Or how if a woman is violent and getting rough with a man in public, society laughs and snickers and ignores the man's plight.

I am NOT a Trump fan.

How about we change to the great racial divide topic now? Trump is touted as a racist because he wants to build a wall/fence with the country which is responsible for the majority of drugs into this country. A country who itself has a border wall along its southern border. Trump is accused of starting the riots at his rallies in which the protesters cause disruptions and then are escorted from the private event. Trump has never said anything racist. But yet with all of the things he has and hasn't said, he is supposedly responsible for the riots of the protesters. And if we flip the script and accuse Black lives matter movement of in-sighting riots, or the deaths of cops and whites, they cant be held responsible for what a few of their own members do. When BLM is marching down the street, causing traffic jams, screaming how they think the only good cop is a dead cop, they are just "agitated" at the system. Even when you show that whites are more likely to be killed by cops than blacks, even though more violent crimes are committed by blacks, BLM "feeeeeeelz" they are being oppressed when a person who assaults and officer is killed. Even with eye witnesses corroborating the policeman's version and evidence back him up, STILL, the cops and the system are supposedly "out to kill the black man". BTW, Black women make up the highest registration rate for colleges now.

Everything that the left touts on their platform is all about what they feel, not based on logic, facts, numbers, or provable stats. Sanders is running on the idea of "free college" for everyone, but why will that work when so many people don't take advantage of the free high school education they get now. The left is the driving force behind the minimum wage hike, but then ignore the fact that those 10 jobs will be replace with apps and automation being maintained by 1 or 2 people making $20/hr. There are 3 basic steps to not be poor, graduate high school. Wait till marriage to have kids. And work 40 hrs a week. Yes, there are caveats to those as well, but over 50% of people who follow those rules, make $50k a year.

What else can you think of that the left touts is based on feeeeelz over realz?

A silly rant filled with nut-job sourced propaganda, You complain about the left acting on feeling while you seem to be acting from ignorance, BS and idiotic memes and hate, without referencing reality.

MikeKerriii
04-26-2016, 05:17 PM
A lot of it, is to ME cause they feel that the Now/Feelings should take precedent more so than actual facts or the future/what might happen. T you perhaps should be the last one to complain about ignoring reality, after so many of your rants and claimes, especially about the Constitution, have been shot down

WILDJOKER5
04-26-2016, 05:30 PM
A silly rant filled with nut-job sourced propaganda, You complain about the left acting on feeling while you seem to be acting from ignorance, BS and idiotic memes and hate, without referencing reality.

What part isn't "reality"? How about the part where feminist say "it doesn't matter if the woman was raped, if she thinks she was raped, then she was raped"?

Everything that I put up there is historically accurate of what has been going on and we see day to day. If you want to dispute any of it, please, feel free to pick out at least one example of what you consider propaganda.

WILDJOKER5
04-26-2016, 05:32 PM
you perhaps should be the last one to complain about ignoring reality, after so many of your rants and claimes, especially about the Constitution, have been shot down

I see how you operate, you just throw out generalizations without a reference. You are kind of new so that's why I responded the first time. Should have known, obvious troll is obvious troll.

garhkal
04-26-2016, 06:10 PM
Depends, are you going to say its racist to protect our borders like Mexico does? Its been a year since I have been on here, maybe things have changed?

Many of the leftists i speak to, certainly think its 'racist' of us to wanna protect our borders.. but then have NOTHING to say when i point out how much Mexico protects THEIR borders and how they treat illegal immigrants they catch.

Rusty Jones
04-27-2016, 01:24 AM
Many of the leftists i speak to, certainly think its 'racist' of us to wanna protect our borders.. but then have NOTHING to say when i point out how much Mexico protects THEIR borders and how they treat illegal immigrants they catch.

That's because we can't write Mexico's laws for them on what they do with their borders. You'd have a point if we could, but we can't, so you don't.

garhkal
04-27-2016, 04:45 AM
Yes we can't write their laws, nor should we. BUT when darn near every other country looks to protect their borders but us, and protecting it is NOT just saying "we don't want sinking mexicans in", calling anyone who is FOR a border wall/protection Racist is a dumb argument.

THAT's what i was trying to get at.

sandsjames
04-27-2016, 11:47 AM
Is it just me, or have WJ and Garhkal become the new AA and Bos Motus? A great duo.

WILDJOKER5
04-27-2016, 12:39 PM
Is it just me, or have WJ and Garhkal become the new AA and Bos Motus? A great duo.

We've typically always been in sync.

Mjölnir
04-27-2016, 01:59 PM
We've typically always been in sync.

You guys were a boy band? ;)

garhkal
04-27-2016, 07:04 PM
We've typically always been in sync.

We do seem to be more alike than some others around here. Though there has been a few times we were on opposite ends of an argument iirc..