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Rusty Jones
02-04-2016, 12:10 PM
BERKELEY, CA—Citing a refusal to impose limiting social constructs on their offspring, parents Lucas Cady and Kat Loesel reported Monday they will not tell their 4-year-old, Quynn, whether the child is biologically male or female. "Who are Kat and I to say what sexual organs our kid possesses?" asked Loesel, who has dressed Quynn in dull gray smocks since birth and only allows the child to play with toy figures that have been neutered of any conventionally feminine or masculine characteristics. "We think it's important our child's frequent questions about girls and boys go unanswered so that Quynn can discover its true sex for itself." The couple also said that parents should be supportive of children who decide they do not have human genitalia at all.
http://www.theonion.com/article/progressive-parents-refuse-to-tell-child-its-sex-18395

sandsjames
02-04-2016, 12:22 PM
Love The Onion. They do a great job of satirizing while still hitting the truth of how ridiculous a lot of shit is.

Rusty Jones
02-04-2016, 12:32 PM
Yep, this article may be satire, but we all know that this shit is really happening in more households than we want to know about.

I'm not understanding the push for a "sexless" society here. As if being a man or a woman is such a horrible thing.

UncaRastus
02-04-2016, 03:10 PM
My daughter is all about letting her baby deciding which way he is going to go. She frowned the first time I went up to be with them, and complained about the color of the clothes that I brought for him to wear.

It has been about 1 1/2 years since that thing came up. She has bought him a lot of clothes. Almost all of the clothing, it seems, either comes in pink or blue.

Yeah, my grandson Vince wears boy clothes, after all!

Christine brings him to babysitters that are Mennonites. It seems pretty funny when he starts raising hell, and he doesn't listen to either Christine, or my wife Angie, but when I tell him 'No", or 'Stop it', or "Vince, quit crying. Real men don't cry,', and it's as if magic just happened. Because he respects male authority. He listens to what I say, and he does what I tell him to do.

Christine should have been a bit more choosy when she picked out the babysitters, if she wanted Vince to not be thinking that he is a boy. Oh, he just listens when men speak? Hmmm ...

About a month ago, this cute little Mennonite girl came over for a playdate. Yeah, I know. Playdates at 16 months???

She had a doll, which Vince grabbed. He took his largest toy truck, and after placing the doll on the ground, he kept on running over that doll. Time and again.

Christine has bought him a bunch of neutral toys. I bought him a bunch of boy toys. Christine tried to give him some girl toys.

With no pressure from me, he picks the boy toys 60% of the time, the other 40% being the neutral toys. Blocks and stuff being the neutral toys.

The girl toys have been untouched. Zero. Zip. Nada.

The first word that he learned? Not mama. It was papa. When he was about 6 months old. Why? Not sure, but he seems to want Christine to bring a man into their lives.

Another thing. Christine believes in co sleeping with Vince. That is, until one morning she found her right nipple almost bitten through.

Nice wake up, eh!

Now she finally has a boyfriend. Vince and him have become almost inseparable.

How does she raise Vince? Without much negative happening to Vince, if he does something wrong. Or she was raising Vince that way. Until Christine woke him up, and he lay there for a couple of seconds, and then he punched her in the eye, because he didn't want to be awakened.

Now? He gets his bottom swatted, now and then, when he does something wrong.

He has learned to flirt with little girls. Not boys. He learned how to fist bump from me, last Christmas, and that is what he does with boys.

Without any instruction on whom to flirt with, and whom to fist bump with.

Well, he did run up to the TV, and tried to fist bump with Elmo, all afternoon, the first day that he knew how to do a fist bump.

I suppose the best way to raise kids is to let nature have its way. Everything will work out.

Next Christmas, I am thinking about getting Vince a Daisy BB gun. I think that he will be a little bit too young to be getting his first shotgun. ;)

garhkal
02-04-2016, 06:22 PM
Yep, this article may be satire, but we all know that this shit is really happening in more households than we want to know about.

I'm not understanding the push for a "sexless" society here. As if being a man or a woman is such a horrible thing.

I just had to shake my head at that.. and when looking up that story i found a similar one..

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/parents-keep-child-gender-under-wraps-170824245.html

Just makes my blood boil..
How is that not seen as child abuse?

Rusty Jones
02-04-2016, 06:57 PM
I think that there's one important thing that people seem to forget when they encourage shit like this: if your child is heterosexual, but looks and behaves as if they're the opposite sex... well, your child is going to be a geneological dead end for your bloodline.

Afterall, we all want a woman who has Skoal in her mouth 24/7 and drives an F-350, right? Wrong.

So, despite women saying that they want a man who's sensitive, in touch with his "feminine side," and is secure enough in his masculinity to wear shit like THIS (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mens-lingerie_us_56a92080e4b0f7179928d6e3) to bed; we all know that all of that is the ultimate Shit Test (http://www.realnaturalseduction.com/how-to-never-fail-a-shit-test-again/) that many men will fail, and bitch when women don't want them. Why would someone want to set their son up for that?

MikeKerriii
02-07-2016, 03:19 AM
I suppose the best way to raise kids is to let nature have its way. Everything will work out.
I agree keep the clean and make sure they are educated an most problems will solve themselves,

MikeKerriii
02-07-2016, 03:21 AM
I just had to shake my head at that.. and when looking up that story i found a similar one..

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/parents-keep-child-gender-under-wraps-170824245.html

Just makes my blood boil..
How is that not seen as child abuse? Because it doesn't harm the child or anyone else, That is a requirement for something to be called abuse.

sandsjames
02-07-2016, 12:17 PM
Because it doesn't harm the child or anyone else, That is a requirement for something to be called abuse.Right. It would be abuse if a child with a penis was raised as a boy, but it's not when they are raised in a manner that confuses them as to what they are. So tell your kids they can be boys or girls and that the genitals you have don't determine your sex/gender, because we wouldn't want kids to have an identity.

garhkal
02-07-2016, 06:55 PM
Because it doesn't harm the child or anyone else, That is a requirement for something to be called abuse.

And when they consistently get picked on at school/day care, is that then child abuse?

sparks82
03-10-2016, 04:51 PM
My daughter is all about letting her baby deciding which way he is going to go. She frowned the first time I went up to be with them, and complained about the color of the clothes that I brought for him to wear.

It has been about 1 1/2 years since that thing came up. She has bought him a lot of clothes. Almost all of the clothing, it seems, either comes in pink or blue.

Yeah, my grandson Vince wears boy clothes, after all!

Christine brings him to babysitters that are Mennonites. It seems pretty funny when he starts raising hell, and he doesn't listen to either Christine, or my wife Angie, but when I tell him 'No", or 'Stop it', or "Vince, quit crying. Real men don't cry,', and it's as if magic just happened. Because he respects male authority. He listens to what I say, and he does what I tell him to do.

Christine should have been a bit more choosy when she picked out the babysitters, if she wanted Vince to not be thinking that he is a boy. Oh, he just listens when men speak? Hmmm ...

About a month ago, this cute little Mennonite girl came over for a playdate. Yeah, I know. Playdates at 16 months???

She had a doll, which Vince grabbed. He took his largest toy truck, and after placing the doll on the ground, he kept on running over that doll. Time and again.

Christine has bought him a bunch of neutral toys. I bought him a bunch of boy toys. Christine tried to give him some girl toys.

With no pressure from me, he picks the boy toys 60% of the time, the other 40% being the neutral toys. Blocks and stuff being the neutral toys.

The girl toys have been untouched. Zero. Zip. Nada.

The first word that he learned? Not mama. It was papa. When he was about 6 months old. Why? Not sure, but he seems to want Christine to bring a man into their lives.

Another thing. Christine believes in co sleeping with Vince. That is, until one morning she found her right nipple almost bitten through.

Nice wake up, eh!

Now she finally has a boyfriend. Vince and him have become almost inseparable.

How does she raise Vince? Without much negative happening to Vince, if he does something wrong. Or she was raising Vince that way. Until Christine woke him up, and he lay there for a couple of seconds, and then he punched her in the eye, because he didn't want to be awakened.

Now? He gets his bottom swatted, now and then, when he does something wrong.

He has learned to flirt with little girls. Not boys. He learned how to fist bump from me, last Christmas, and that is what he does with boys.

Without any instruction on whom to flirt with, and whom to fist bump with.

Well, he did run up to the TV, and tried to fist bump with Elmo, all afternoon, the first day that he knew how to do a fist bump.

I suppose the best way to raise kids is to let nature have its way. Everything will work out.

Next Christmas, I am thinking about getting Vince a Daisy BB gun. I think that he will be a little bit too young to be getting his first shotgun. ;)

What are you trying to get at here? So she gave him neutral toys and he ended up gravitating toward "boy" toys? So what? Playing with certain toys does not determine someone sexuality or if they are transgender or not.

I am the only girl out of five kids. I was raised by boys. I played with my brother's toys and I played with Barbies and crap like that. Did that mean anything? No. I've always been attracted to males. I have never been attracted to females but I was a huge tomboy growing up because I had little female influence. Did that mean I didn't know how to "act" like a girl? No. I just wasn't and still am not very feminine. That's all.

If I had a son, I would let him play with dolls or whatever toys he wanted to play with. I have gotten my daughter toy cars and baby dolls or "girl" toys. She plays with both.

What is wrong if a boy plays with dolls? Wouldn't you want to see that your son can be capable of being a nurturing and caring father someday? Wouldn't you want your daughter to marry or have children with that guy who is not a complete asshole?

When it comes to flirting - what does that prove? My daughter has been a flirt since she was six months old and does seem to flirt with male doctors and seems to really like the male nurse at her doctor's office. And? So what? She's 20 months old - she doesn't even know what she's doing probably and has no concept of sexual activity or sexuality. Neither does your grandson.

My daughter's cousin is 4 - youngest and only boy out of four kids. He plays video games and trucks but he also watches Barbie and plays with his sisters with their toys. So fucking what? Means nothing about his sexuality or gender identity.

If someone raises their kid gender neutral who cares? Does it affect you? No. One of my brothers came out as homosexual at 19. I had no idea. He hid it pretty well but he said he's known since he was five years old. Did that change who he is? Hell no - he's still got the same personality he did before. He's still the same person. So he likes dudes...oh well. He's still my brother. And he didn't "learn" it anywhere because we grew up in a extremely conservative state, super small town, no known gay people lived there and there weren't homosexual characters on TV regularly.

My youngest brother used to always want my mom to put polish on his toes. He's married with a kid and another on the way. That didn't mean anything. Some kids are just curious and will explore things. Oh well.

I don't know why anyone is hung up on gender or what's "girl" toys or "boy" toys or clothes or whatever.

sandsjames
03-10-2016, 05:23 PM
I don't know why anyone is hung up on gender or what's "girl" toys or "boy" toys or clothes or whatever.This is very progressive of you.

sparks82
03-11-2016, 02:51 PM
This is very progressive of you.

I'm not trying nor see myself as progressive. That's just how I feel. I guess I was just raised that gender wasn't important. My dad raised us all as people, not based on our gender. He didn't favor any one of us over the other. If he did, it was not obvious. If we could prove we were responsible and mature, then we got to do more stuff. He didn't let me do more or less because I was the only girl. My oldest brother was always in trouble because he was immature. I and the other older brother got to do more because we showed our dad we could handle things. The younger two - by then he was tired and working two jobs and just let a lot go.

sandsjames
03-11-2016, 03:55 PM
I'm not trying nor see myself as progressive. That's just how I feel. I guess I was just raised that gender wasn't important. My dad raised us all as people, not based on our gender. How unfortunate for you. Never got to be "daddy's little girl".


He didn't favor any one of us over the other. Neither did mine. There was no favoritism, but we were raised differently.


If he did, it was not obvious. If we could prove we were responsible and mature, then we got to do more stuff. He didn't let me do more or less because I was the only girl. My oldest brother was always in trouble because he was immature. I and the other older brother got to do more because we showed our dad we could handle things. The younger two - by then he was tired and working two jobs and just let a lot go.I don't understand the relevance of this paragraph, but ok.

sparks82
03-11-2016, 04:13 PM
How unfortunate for you. Never got to be "daddy's little girl".

Neither did mine. There was no favoritism, but we were raised differently.

I don't understand the relevance of this paragraph, but ok.

I didn't want to be "daddy's little girl." I'm sure I was as I am the only girl but he never said "No you can't do this or that it's for boys." My grandpa did. He ran a farm that was in my dad's family for 150+ years. I wanted to ride the tractor - he said no "you'll get dirty go help your grandma" but took my brothers. That pissed me off. I always was playing in the dirt.

That last paragraph was to show that he didn't favor one over the other. He allowed us freedom based on our level of responsibility.

I'm sorry you can't comprehend that I'm saying I'm not progressive. I was raised the same as my brothers and never once did gender come up in anything in my childhood. So I'm not seeing how I'm "progressive" when that's just normal to me to not see why there are "boy" or "girl" toys.

sandsjames
03-11-2016, 06:42 PM
I'm sorry you can't comprehend that I'm saying I'm not progressive. I was raised the same as my brothers and never once did gender come up in anything in my childhood. So I'm not seeing how I'm "progressive" when that's just normal to me to not see why there are "boy" or "girl" toys.

I'm sorry, but what you're saying here is exactly what "progressive" means. For the rest of the world, there are girls toys and boys toys, girls colors and boys colors, etc. Doesn't mean that there isn't crossover, but the only time a boy should be playing with a Barbie is if GI Joe has that Barbie bent over the hood of her Corvette.

sparks82
03-23-2016, 02:29 PM
I'm sorry, but what you're saying here is exactly what "progressive" means. For the rest of the world, there are girls toys and boys toys, girls colors and boys colors, etc. Doesn't mean that there isn't crossover, but the only time a boy should be playing with a Barbie is if GI Joe has that Barbie bent over the hood of her Corvette.

You realize that through early 20th century pink was a "boy" color right? So colors for "identifying' children change consistently. Toys to "identify" children change consistently also. Pink was seen to be a better color for boys and blue better for girls. Pink was a "more decided and stronger color" and more suitable for boys while blue was seen as "more delicate and dainty and prettier for a girl." It was seen that pink was closer to red and therefore more appropriate for boys because red is "fierce" but blue was associated with girls because the Virgin Mary is seen depicted as wearing blue. It wasn't until the 1940s when the colors switched genders. All due to manufacturers deciding this in order to get more sales really.


Also fashion changes consistently. Men wore high heels before women did. They weren't designed for walking in originally. They were designed as riding footwear. It was essential to Persian fighting styles. The heel helped secure the stance in the stirrups - and this was essential for soldiers. After the first Persian diplomatic mission to Europe - all things Persian were of interest in western Europe. The high heel was created by men for men. Men wore wigs (even our great Founders did and wore heels). Men have worn dresses throughout history. All these men were considered masculine at their time. So to determine what clothes or toys or colors are "masculine" or "feminine" - there are none. They constantly change.

If I had a son I wouldn't mind if he played with baby dolls or Barbies. Who cares? It doesn't mean anything. Actually if a boy is taking care of a baby doll it could show he has nurturing qualities and will make a great dad. I would much rather that than some little pervert using toys to molest each other. Plus that just goes to show how he might treat women when he's older - as nothing more than objects.

sandsjames
03-23-2016, 02:55 PM
If I had a son I wouldn't mind if he played with baby dolls or Barbies. Who cares? It doesn't mean anything. Actually if a boy is taking care of a baby doll it could show he has nurturing qualities and will make a great dad. Again, this is a very "progressive" statement.

I'd love to see the look on your face if you walked into the house of some guy your dating and he had teddy bears all over his bed and pictures of princesses on the wall. I'm sure you'd change your tune.

sandsjames
03-23-2016, 02:56 PM
If I had a son I wouldn't mind if he played with baby dolls or Barbies. Who cares? It doesn't mean anything. Actually if a boy is taking care of a baby doll it could show he has nurturing qualities and will make a great dad. Again, this is a very "progressive" statement.

I'd love to see the look on your face if you walked into the house of some guy your dating and he had teddy bears all over his bed and pictures of princesses on the wall. I'm sure you'd change your tune.

sparks82
03-23-2016, 04:53 PM
Again, this is a very "progressive" statement.

I'd love to see the look on your face if you walked into the house of some guy your dating and he had teddy bears all over his bed and pictures of princesses on the wall. I'm sure you'd change your tune.

Not really. So was it progressive when women started to wear high heels and wigs? Was it progressive when manufacturers changed the color scheme of baby clothes? Smh.

UncaRastus
03-23-2016, 06:03 PM
Sandman, if I were to say, "Sex? Icky!", I would be asexual, although the lack of a need to have sex with another person is just part of being asexual. No want or need for another person to share one's life with, other than a child, in this case, can be normal for some people.

I know that this sounds strange to you. It is very hard for most people that have a committed relationship to understand, or even to believe in, as being possible.

This elderly lady who lives across the street from is widowed. She has been that way for 20 years. She is glad that her husband passed away, because he was a wife beater. Nowadays, someone might run from such a scenario. A lot of them don't.

I see her 5 days a week, to help her do yoga. Drive her to the doctor's office. Cook meals for her, sometimes. I do her lawn, because truth be spoken, she is living on SS. Her house is paid off, but still, whatever we can do for her, we do. My wife helps out with other things.

For ten years, we have been doing this for her, because she is our neighbor, and she needs the help that we provide. Both Angie and my folks are dead, so, she is almost like Mom to us. Kinda sorta.

This 81 year old loves us for helping her. For being there for her. However, there is love, then there is love. Dorothy has not ever committed to a relationship with a man, since her husband died. Not for thinking that she is old, but thinking that she has dealt with a husband for all of her adult life, until he died, and she is glad not to have to count on another man to fulfill herself, to be her husband.

Dorothy is in pretty good shape. She knows that death is coming closer, every day, and she doesn't fear death. She is about as happy a person that I have ever met.

I guess that she can be called asexual, too.

Different strokes for different folks!

sandsjames
03-23-2016, 06:25 PM
Banned for language and disrespect.

Rainmaker
03-24-2016, 07:41 PM
Banned for language and disrespect.

WTF? so, Sandsjames went and got himself banned 2 weeks after he just saved the forum??!! Let me guess....He let himself get trolled by the ball busting feminist BOT & called it a word that rhymes with bunt?

sparks82
03-28-2016, 02:33 PM
WTF? so, Sandsjames went and got himself banned 2 weeks after he just saved the forum??!! Let me guess....He let himself get trolled by the ball busting feminist BOT & called it a word that rhymes with bunt?

I don't think there are any feminists on this thread. I know I am certainly not a feminist. I would love to know what he had stated in response to my last post.

I didn't troll anything either. I simply responded to his questions since he wanted to try to play camp counselor. How did he "save" the forum? It looks like hardly anyone posts on here anymore except "In the News" and this thread. It looks pretty dead actually.

sandsjames
04-13-2016, 10:45 AM
Hey...I'm back. Talk about a conflict of interest banning. Anyway, you guys can quit grieving cuz I'm here to bring some fun back to this place yet again.

sparks82
04-14-2016, 06:56 PM
Hey...I'm back. Talk about a conflict of interest banning. Anyway, you guys can quit grieving cuz I'm here to bring some fun back to this place yet again.

I don't even know what you said that got you banned honestly. I had replied - and the next time I logged in "banned for language and disrespect" or whatever. I sure didn't report anything - and it is very rare that I have reported anyone on FB or anywhere.

sandsjames
04-14-2016, 07:34 PM
I don't even know what you said that got you banned honestly. I had replied - and the next time I logged in "banned for language and disrespect" or whatever. I sure didn't report anything - and it is very rare that I have reported anyone on FB or anywhere.

It wasn't about what you had said. He banned me because he was talking about his neighbor, and old lady, being "asexual" because she is no longer interested in sex. I stated that I'm pretty sure even old ladies get "moist" once in awhile...then he banned me because, apparently, he was offended by me talking about his elderly neighbor that way...that's why I stated that it was a conflict of interest on his part.

The reason given in my message box was "too many reasons to list", which I found amusing and a copout but, now he's no longer here so it's not an issue any more.

Rainmaker
04-14-2016, 07:47 PM
I stated that I'm pretty sure even old ladies get "moist" once in awhile...then he banned me because,

Gross..You deserved it Sicko!

Rusty Jones
04-15-2016, 11:07 AM
I just came back to the forum and saw that I was no longer banned, too. I thought I got six month ban, but it looks like someone changed their mind.

sandsjames
04-15-2016, 12:09 PM
I just came back to the forum and saw that I was no longer banned, too. I thought I got six month ban, but it looks like someone changed their mind.

The big bad ban man left the site for personal health reasons and the remaining mods/admins restored everyone.