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Rusty Jones
12-15-2015, 04:12 PM
Life is all about choices. In Economics we call this opportunity cost–the loss of potential gain from other alternatives when one alternative is chosen. For instance, we all have a choice to get legless drunk tonight. If we make the choice to escape our lives for a few hours to feel like Superman, we are giving up the value of a healthy liver and a productive next day. No brainer for me–pass me the Jack.

We are the choices we make, bros.

That’s why studies constructed around hypothetical scenarios tell us a great deal about the current state of our society.

The team over at HighSpeedInternet.com recently surveyed 5,000 Americans of varying ages and sexes through Google Consumer Surveys to determine what we value.

The results are not only surprising, but reflective on our current cultural state.

internet over sex
One third of Americans would choose to undergo a colossal dry spell to look at cat videos on YouTube. Women are 28% more likely to give up sex for six months over the internet.

This number seemed high to me, until I remembered that there is sex on the internet that can help soften the blow.

Ya know what won’t help soften the blow? The fact that your parents value sex more than you do. They’re probably valuing it right now. In the bed you slept in growing up. Numbers don’t lie.

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Nearly 50% of those ages 18-24 surveyed said they would rather give up sex than Internet. Whereas just under 30% of those ages 45-64 would give up sex for Internet, revealing that baby boomers seem to value sex more than the college-age people we surveyed.

Internet over drinking

Close to 9 out of 10 girls would give up drinking for the world wide web. The numbers for men are slightly lower (8 out of 10), but still astronomical.

I’m disappointed in my fellow millennials. I know my job solely consists of being on the Internet, but if push came to shove, I’d quit to have sex and drink my face off. Get busy livin, or get busy dyin’.

Check out the link for the charts: http://brobible.com/life/article/millennials-would-give-up-sex-for-this/

sandsjames
12-15-2015, 05:39 PM
Check out the link for the charts: http://brobible.com/life/article/millennials-would-give-up-sex-for-this/

Not surprising. It's a byproduct, no so much of the internet, but of androgyny.

Rusty Jones
12-15-2015, 05:49 PM
Not surprising. It's a byproduct, no so much of the internet, but of androgyny.

Huh? Explain that.

sandsjames
12-15-2015, 05:54 PM
Huh? Explain that. Millennials are losing their sexual identities. With the loss of that identity, the normal drives associated with the sexes is also being lost. People are evolving/devolving into a state where sexting and internet porn are more than enough satisfaction.

Bos Mutus
12-15-2015, 05:56 PM
My guess is 50% of the millennials aren't getting regular sex anyway, so, when asked, they figure they aren't giving up much.


revealing that baby boomers seem to value sex more than the college-age people we surveyed.

ORRR...that baby boomers don't care that much about the internet.

Rusty Jones
12-15-2015, 06:01 PM
Millennials are losing their sexual identities. With the loss of that identity, the normal drives associated with the sexes is also being lost. People are evolving/devolving into a state where sexting and internet porn are more than enough satisfaction.

Yeah, true. I actually remember reading an article that discussed this. Because real life sex isn't as cool as it looks in porn, some people actually prefer whacking off to porn than having sex - even if consenting partners are readily available to them.

sandsjames
12-15-2015, 06:14 PM
Yeah, true. I actually remember reading an article that discussed this. Because real life sex isn't as cool as it looks in porn, some people actually prefer whacking off to porn than having sex - even if consenting partners are readily available to them.

It's because boys/men are being told over and over that it's no longer ok to be masculine, so the internet provides a way for them to avoid any shame or guilt associated with being with a woman. Also, the majority of people I know today don't "date" anyway. They don't pick up girls the traditional way. Most guys I work with are either with their girlfriend from high school or use online dating services.

sandsjames
12-15-2015, 06:28 PM
And it's really no surprise to see the women's response. As much as they will pretend they want the sensitive guy, it's just not true. They want a masculine guy who makes them feel safe and takes care of them. That's nature. So they aren't going to be sexually attracted to metrosexual men. Will they have sex with them? Sure...until the guy starts crying when they're done.

Rusty Jones
12-15-2015, 06:52 PM
It's because boys/men are being told over and over that it's no longer ok to be masculine, so the internet provides a way for them to avoid any shame or guilt associated with being with a woman. Also, the majority of people I know today don't "date" anyway. They don't pick up girls the traditional way. Most guys I work with are either with their girlfriend from high school or use online dating services.

I think that the biggest hurdle that I'm seeing is all these articles and blogs about women being victims of sexual harassment and "street harassment."

Or the Kamala Harris controversy with Obama.

While I agree that there is a problem with sexual harassment, much of what I see these women claim to be victims of his normal behavior of a man trying to speak to a woman that caught his attention. Some of it crosses the line, some of it is borderline... but in any case, I can see men using online dating services as a way to play it safe. At least they know that all of the women there are looking for dates, and are expecting men to try to talk to them.


And it's really no surprise to see the women's response. As much as they will pretend they want the sensitive guy, it's just not true. They want a masculine guy who makes them feel safe and takes care of them. That's nature. So they aren't going to be sexually attracted to metrosexual men. Will they have sex with them? Sure...until the guy starts crying when their done.

Exactly. When it comes to advice, a man should seek it from another man who's more successful with women than he is. Not from women.

UncaRastus
12-15-2015, 09:53 PM
About men losing their identity?

I went into Walmart to look for some little cap guns, holsters, and belt, for my grandson, for Christmas. That is so that he can ride his hobby horse in style.

I found no cap guns, holsters, etc..

I got his hobby horse while I was in Beaufort SC for a couple of weeks, this year. And the reason that I thought of going to Walmart was because the nearest toy store is like 45 minutes away.

Anyhow, I went to the gun section, and I got him his first Red Ryder BB gun.

Because this Walmart doesn't want to be selling cap guns, I was actually forced into getting him first BB gun. And when I walked past the real gun counters, I saw a pink .22 rifle, alongside a black ,22 rifle. Same model, just different in appearances.

Now, I am asking y'all this. They do not sell small fake guns, but then selling .22s to the different sexes? Why can't little boys have fun, like we all used to? Confusing, I think.

Anyway, my wife wanted to get him some cap guns, and the rig for them. I told her that maybe him being like 16 months old might be a bit of her rushing things.

But she was insistent. So now he is going to get the next step up. A BB gun!

Well, he was going to get a BB gun. My wife walked in on me and the laptop, and read what I was typing.

Now he has to wait a few years.

And a big ;) also.

Maybe this will do for the meantime? Found this online:

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sandsjames
12-15-2015, 10:09 PM
About men losing their identity?

I went into Walmart to look for some little cap guns, holsters, and belt, for my grandson, for Christmas. That is so that he can ride his hobby horse in style.

I found no cap guns, holsters, etc..

I got his hobby horse while I was in Beaufort SC for a couple of weeks, this year. And the reason that I thought of going to Walmart was because the nearest toy store is like 45 minutes away.

Anyhow, I went to the gun section, and I got him his first Red Ryder BB gun.

Because this Walmart doesn't want to be selling cap guns, I was actually forced into getting him first BB gun. And when I walked past the real gun counters, I saw a pink .22 rifle, alongside a black ,22 rifle. Same model, just different in appearances.

Now, I am asking y'all this. They do not sell small fake guns, but then selling .22s to the different sexes? Why can't little boys have fun, like we all used to? Confusing, I think.

Anyway, my wife wanted to get him some cap guns, and the rig for them. I told her that maybe him being like 16 months old might be a bit of her rushing things.

But she was insistent. So now he is going to get the next step up. A BB gun!

Well, he was going to get a BB gun. My wife walked in on me and the laptop, and read what I was typing.

Now he has to wait a few years.

And a big ;) also.

Maybe this will do for the meantime? Found this online:

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Cap guns, squirt guns, stick guns, finger guns, all will get a kid suspended from school. They are extremely hard to find because no store wants to be the one blamed when a 5 year old accidentally shoots someone with daddy's gun, even though it's not the store's fault. If a kid points a cap gun at another kid it may cause a lifetime emotional turmoil. You know the routine.

Now the pink gun is interesting because it gets preached so much about gender assignments, yet everyone knows that the pink gun, pink tool box, pink ribbons for breast cancer, are all for the same women who claim that they don't want to be treated any differently than a man. The irony.

UncaRastus
12-15-2015, 10:21 PM
Indeed, sandsjames. Indeed.

Bos Mutus
12-15-2015, 10:35 PM
yet everyone knows that the pink gun, pink tool box, pink ribbons for breast cancer, are all for the same women who claim that they don't want to be treated any differently than a man. The irony.

C'mon man, not the same women...it's liberals that want all this equal women stuff...but, pink guns are for conservative women.

sandsjames
12-15-2015, 10:42 PM
C'mon man, not the same women...it's liberals that want all this equal women stuff...but, pink guns are for conservative women.

Good point. Though that doesn't explain the pink ribbon for breast cancer. It's one of those things that's accepted, even by the liberal women, because it lets everyone know that it's strictly a women's problem (even though it's not).

Rusty Jones
12-15-2015, 11:17 PM
Cap guns, squirt guns, stick guns, finger guns, all will get a kid suspended from school. They are extremely hard to find because no store wants to be the one blamed when a 5 year old accidentally shoots someone with daddy's gun, even though it's not the store's fault. If a kid points a cap gun at another kid it may cause a lifetime emotional turmoil. You know the routine.

Now the pink gun is interesting because it gets preached so much about gender assignments, yet everyone knows that the pink gun, pink tool box, pink ribbons for breast cancer, are all for the same women who claim that they don't want to be treated any differently than a man. The irony.

It could also be because they don't want us raising our boys like that.

A know more than a few people who won't let their sons play with toys. So the inability to find them could be because they're just not selling.

I find this odd, because it's in us to be into that. Even if you go back to ancient civilization - Ancient Rome, China, Greece, etc (take your pick) boys played with toy swords and other toy versions of the weapons at the time.

And then... get this: a couple of months ago, my wife and I were at the NEX, looking at new laptops. We were shooting the shit with one of the associates from electronics, and then the conversation turned to his daughter... and how he's teaching her how to do auto repairs, how to shoot weapons, how he enrolled her in MMA lessons, etc... and then ended his spiel with how he's not letting his daughter get into that "girly crap." He says this in a bragging tone while looking at me with a grin on his face while shaking his head up and down... clearly, he was talking to me like he thought I agreed him.

Shit like this, of course, I find disturbing. Because, not only is this society making boys more feminine... but they're making girls more masculine.

If I was a conspiracy theorist, I'd say that this is a plot for women to take over.

Bos Mutus
12-15-2015, 11:32 PM
Good point. Though that doesn't explain the pink ribbon for breast cancer. It's one of those things that's accepted, even by the liberal women, because it lets everyone know that it's strictly a women's problem (even though it's not).

I think you're feeling a little over-victimized by pink.

Of course, breast cancer affects primarily women...but, yes, men get it too.

Only men get prostate cancer. Only women get cervical, ovarian and uterine cancer.

I don't think any of the ribbons are trying to say anything about equality...they are simply raising awareness of a disease...raising funds for research...and trying to keep the interest in the disease.

Breast cancer gets the most attention because they have some good organizations that are dedicated to it...in large part because it is the most common cancer, so a lot of people have been affected by it and are motivated to take part in the campaign...then, of course, the more popular something becomes the more people jump on it.

sandsjames
12-16-2015, 12:28 AM
I think you're feeling a little over-victimized by pink.

Of course, breast cancer affects primarily women...but, yes, men get it too.

Only men get prostate cancer. Only women get cervical, ovarian and uterine cancer.

I don't think any of the ribbons are trying to say anything about equality...they are simply raising awareness of a disease...raising funds for research...and trying to keep the interest in the disease.

Breast cancer gets the most attention because they have some good organizations that are dedicated to it...in large part because it is the most common cancer, so a lot of people have been affected by it and are motivated to take part in the campaign...then, of course, the more popular something becomes the more people jump on it. No...I'm not a victim of anything. I just find it funny that one of the most "sexist" things liberal women suggest is raising children in "color neutral" rooms so as not to force the child to recognize certain colors as "boy colors" or "girl colors", yet the biggest female related cancer is identified with pink, yet liberal women say nothing because they want the focus to be on females, hence they're ok with pink when it suits them. Just pointing out irony.

Bos Mutus
12-16-2015, 12:55 AM
No...I'm not a victim of anything. I just find it funny that one of the most "sexist" things liberal women suggest is raising children in "color neutral" rooms so as not to force the child to recognize certain colors as "boy colors" or "girl colors"

I guess I missed this being a big issue.

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yet the biggest female related cancer is identified with pink, yet liberal women say nothing because they want the focus to be on females, hence they're ok with pink when it suits them. Just pointing out irony.

How do you know it's the same women?

Absinthe Anecdote
12-16-2015, 09:02 AM
No...I'm not a victim of anything. I just find it funny that one of the most "sexist" things liberal women suggest is raising children in "color neutral" rooms so as not to force the child to recognize certain colors as "boy colors" or "girl colors", yet the biggest female related cancer is identified with pink, yet liberal women say nothing because they want the focus to be on females, hence they're ok with pink when it suits them. Just pointing out irony.

It sounds like you are creating a problem where there isn't one, USN-retired.

You know, like when you over inflate your tires and then start crying and whining about a PT test and SNCOs.

I think this might stem from dodging responsibility during your career and then being resentful about never being consulted or respected.

That's just an analogy.

Pretty good one, huh?

UncaRastus
12-16-2015, 03:09 PM
My daughter decided to raise her son in a no boy/girl color scheme. Until she tried to find baby clothes. Then, at the baby sitter's house, how he began to choose boy things to play with. Once, he did take a doll, but then he used that doll to 'drive' his little trucks and little cars over. Again and again.

She was all about letting Vince choose his own gender.

The first word out of his mouth was said to me, and it was 'Papa'. His Granny and his Mom were kind of put out about that.

So? Even though it seems to be the thing to do amongst some parents, is to have everything gender neutral, at least I know that my Grandchild seems to be filling in all of the boxes, under the category of 'Male'.

This Christmas, I am thinking about letting him chew on a man sized steak, and I'll probably give him an O'Doul's near beer. Or maybe take him to a Hooters 'family restaurant'.

I think that he'd like that.

As to Christmas? Why not? I married a Catholic lady. We do the Hanukkah, with the menorah, and we have a Christmas tree. I remember getting school supplies during Hanukkah. I rather more like the thought of getting something better than pencils and paper and notebooks, and so on.

At least Angie doesn't give me those horrid Christmas sweaters.

As of yet, I am still hoping to wake up on the 25th, and finding a pony on my porch!

But not a brony pony. NOT A BRONY PONY!!!

Rusty Jones
12-16-2015, 03:15 PM
She was all about letting Vince choose his own gender.

I really hope this bullshit goes out of style. And I mean soon.

UncaRastus
12-16-2015, 03:26 PM
Rusty, I concur.

Absinthe Anecdote
12-16-2015, 03:28 PM
I really hope this bullshit goes out of style. And I mean soon.

I can see why you feel that way. You're afraid it will create more transgenders that will possibly dupe you on shore leave, huh?

Don't worry. You are Air Force now and I bet you are getting smarter just by being around Air Force people.

Soon you will be dupe-proof.

Unless, you are PowerPro or Ammo.

Bos Mutus
12-16-2015, 03:53 PM
My daughter decided to raise her son in a no boy/girl color scheme. Until she tried to find baby clothes. Then, at the baby sitter's house, how he began to choose boy things to play with. Once, he did take a doll, but then he used that doll to 'drive' his little trucks and little cars over. Again and again.

She was all about letting Vince choose his own gender.

The first word out of his mouth was said to me, and it was 'Papa'. His Granny and his Mom were kind of put out about that.

So? Even though it seems to be the thing to do amongst some parents, is to have everything gender neutral, at least I know that my Grandchild seems to be filling in all of the boxes, under the category of 'Male'.

So...would you say that Male boxes is in his nature? That he was born that way, maybe?

Wasn't there some whack Psychoanalyst in the 60s that did a gender nature vs. nurture experiment back in the 60s?


This Christmas, I am thinking about letting him chew on a man sized steak, and I'll probably give him an O'Doul's near beer. Or maybe take him to a Hooters 'family restaurant'.

I think that he'd like that.

As to Christmas? Why not? I married a Catholic lady. We do the Hanukkah, with the menorah, and we have a Christmas tree. I remember getting school supplies during Hanukkah. I rather more like the thought of getting something better than pencils and paper and notebooks, and so on.

At least Angie doesn't give me those horrid Christmas sweaters.

I think the ugly sweater gig has been played out...now, of course the are purposely making uglier and uglier sweaters because ugly Christmas sweaters are oh so funny.


As of yet, I am still hoping to wake up on the 25th, and finding a pony on my porch!

But not a brony pony. NOT A BRONY PONY!!!

UncaRastus
12-16-2015, 04:12 PM
AA, I was at the Wonderful World of Walmart yesterday, and when I first walked into the store, there was a display rack full of Ugly Christmas Sweater Cookies Kits.

I think that Walmart is trying to break the vicious cycle of re-gifted fruitcakes.

Ugly Christmas Sweater Cookie Kits. Wow.

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Absinthe Anecdote
12-16-2015, 04:20 PM
AA, I was at the Wonderful World of Walmart yesterday, and when I first walked into the store, there was a display rack full of Ugly Christmas Sweater Cookies Kits.

I think that Walmart is trying to break the vicious cycle of re-gifted fruitcakes.

Ugly Christmas Sweater Cookie Kits. Wow.

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You are better off going to Target.

Rusty Jones
12-16-2015, 04:41 PM
I can see why you feel that way. You're afraid it will create more transgenders that will possibly dupe you on shore leave, huh?

Don't worry. You are Air Force now and I bet you are getting smarter just by being around Air Force people.

Soon you will be dupe-proof.

Unless, you are PowerPro or Ammo.

I don't think the Air Force is making too smart to get duped. I think it's killing the libido that's required to put me in that situation in the first place. Still a win, right?

Rainmaker
12-16-2015, 05:22 PM
Law of Supply and demand. It's human nature to want what we can't have.

1/2 these chicks today have been with so many dudes that, by the time they're 25, it looks like a pipe bomb went off inside their pussy.

Femininity is a lost art. There's no feminine mystique. Couple that with every kind of conceivable type of filth you can imagine just a mouse click away, And it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why knocking boots has lost it's luster.

What's much more alarming though, is that we seemingly have produced a generation of (mostly) effeminate men and asexual females

I think there are several factors at work here

Rainmaker
12-16-2015, 05:31 PM
I find disturbing. Because, not only is this society making boys more feminine... but they're making girls more masculine.
If I was a conspiracy theorist, I'd say that this is a plot for women to take over.

You don't have to be a "conspiracy theorist" to see what's happening right in front of your eyes Rusty.

Now, Whether you think it's as a result of well meaning. but, misguided Social Engineering (it's for the children) or whether you think it's something more sinister as I do (Reverse Eugenics)

As men we HAVE to figure out a way to fix this.

Rusty Jones
12-16-2015, 05:40 PM
Law of Supply and demand. It's human nature to want what we can't have.

1/2 these chicks today have been with so many dudes that, by the time they're 25, it looks like a pipe bomb went off inside their pussy.

Femininity is a lost art. There's no feminine mystique. Couple that every kind of conceivable type of filth you can imagine just a mouse click away, And it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why knocking boots has lost it's luster.

What's much more alarming though, is that we seemingly have produced a generation of (mostly) effeminate men and asexual females

I can agree with some of this. Fuck, I remember when I was ten years old back in 1990. I found a porno mag that fell out of an overstuffed trash can on trash-pick up day. Man, I was the coolest kid on the block. Even my worst enemies wanted to be friend. Eventually, one of them told my mom and it was gone after a few days, but still. Being a ten year old boy and looking at naked ladies... it was a big fucking deal back then.

Shit, now? All a ten year old boy has to do get on the internet.

Even for adults, if you really wanted porn that bad... you actually had to exhaust time, money, and effort to buy porno mags and movies. And by the time you did that, you could've already gotten laid.

Now, all you've gotta do use your smartphone.

Rainmaker
12-16-2015, 05:52 PM
I can agree with some of this. Fuck, I remember when I was ten years old back in 1990. I found a porno mag that fell out of an overstuffed trash can on trash-pick up day. Man, I was the coolest kid on the block. Even my worst enemies wanted to be friend. Eventually, one of them told my mom and it was gone after a few days, but still. Being a ten year old boy and looking at naked ladies... it was a big fucking deal back then.

Shit, now? All a ten year old boy has to do get on the internet.

Even for adults, if you really wanted porn that bad... you actually had to exhaust time, money, and effort to buy porno mags and movies. And by the time you did that, you could've already gotten laid.

This is why Rainmaker gave up all P0rn completely. It's too easy to develop a habit that becomes a freaking time waster and eventually it saps your energy to do other stuff.

hell, can remember when the women's bra section of the sears catalogue was the best you could get.

I find it incredible that they'll cover up the Maxim magazine covers in the checkout line at the supermarket

But, meanwhile a 10 year old kid can be accidentally stumbling across the hard core sex scenes on the internet while, doing google searches for his homework.

UncaRastus
12-16-2015, 06:08 PM
Looking for homework ... sure. I understand ...

;)

USN - Retired
12-17-2015, 06:36 AM
As men we HAVE to figure out a way to fix this.

"What difference at this point does it make?" ~Hillary Clinton

Rusty Jones
12-17-2015, 11:16 AM
An interesting relevant article:

http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/blog/sex-time-hooking


Trending on Vanity Fair right now is an article entitled “Tinder and the Dawn of the ‘Dating Apocalypse.’” (For those who don’t know, Tinder is one of many “dating” apps that also happens to be frequently used by millennials to hook up with each other on short notice.) The article describes a world where young adults increasingly seek after quick sexual encounters and avoid relationships like the plague.

The article is long, but its subject matter and salacious quotes will most likely keep you reading. Here are some initial observations, questions, and critiques that I came away with:

1) The participants in the hookup culture seem to have a lot of insecurities.

The men interviewed exude self-confidence, but it feels like a feigned self-confidence that’s only confirmed by how many women they can bed.

“‘It’s instant gratification,’ says Jason, 26, a Brooklyn photographer, ‘and a validation of your own attractiveness…’”

And here’s what the women have to say:

“‘It’s, like, fun to get the messages,’ Danielle says. ‘If someone ‘likes’ you, they think you’re attractive.’”

“‘It’s a confidence booster,’ says Jessica, 21, the one who looks like a Swedish tennis player.”


2) Is the hookup culture mainly limited to big cities and universities?

The case studies in the article are limited to big cities and universities, which are largely artificial environments. In the former, one is cut off from the natural world; in the latter, one is cut off from many of the responsibilities and consequences of later life. I wonder if this fact could be a contributor to facilitating the hookup culture which, historically (not prehistorically) speaking, is fairly novel.

3) Is the stressful nature of modern work and life connected to the hookup culture?

The article begins in a sports bar, where “the tables are filled with young women and men who’ve been chasing money and deals on Wall Street all day, and now they’re out looking for hookups.” And for all its artificial character, college is also very stressful for today’s students, who’s most common mental health diagnoses are anxiety and depression. Is sex being used for stress relief?

4) There’s a childishness to it.

Reading the article felt like watching the movie Cruel Intentions or an episode of Gossip Girl (author hangs his head in shame). On display are a bunch of dressed up adolescents who are doing their best to act mature and experienced when dealing with a “grownup issue” like sex. Ironically, one gets the impression that the participants in the hookup culture don't know all that much about sex beyond its physical aspects.

5) Abstinence education is ineffective.

One of the men interviewed had slept with 30 to 40 women in the past year, though he regarded his friend as a much more successful Tinder user. Knowing that the CDC says that there are 20 million new STD infections in the U.S. each year, I cringe when I hear those hookup numbers. Chances are that the men in the article have gone through years of sex education in school, where they’ve heard all about the dangers and prevalence of STDs. I know that fear-based abstinence education doesn’t really work, but I didn’t know it was that ineffective.

6) Some claim that Tinder offers sexual freedom, but it’s really just a different kind of conformity with its own rules.

Here’s what a group of female Tinder users said:

“It’s such a game, and you have to always be doing everything right, and if not, you risk losing whoever you’re hooking up with…

Sex should stem from emotional intimacy, and it’s the opposite with us right now, and I think it really is kind of destroying females’ self-images…

But if you say any of this out loud, it’s like you’re weak, you’re not independent, you somehow missed the whole memo about third-wave feminism.”

7) What we all knew: the hookup culture favors the guys.

The men are clearly more content with the hookup culture; they all say that they’re not interested in relationships. Some of the women say that, too, but they also complain about their hookups not being polite enough, or having hurt feelings.

And then there’s the “double standard”:

“‘The double standard is real,’ Nick says. ‘If I’m a guy and I’m going out and f***ing a different girl every night, my friends are gonna give me high-fives and we’re gonna crack a beer and talk about it. Girls do the same, but they get judged. I don’t want it to be like that, but sometimes the world is the way it is and I can’t change it, so I just embrace it.’”

8) “A few young women admitted to me that they use dating apps as a way to get free meals. ‘I call it Tinder food stamps,’ one said.”

I think others have called it something else.

9) “It’s straight efficiency.”

In The Technological Society, Jacques Ellul proposed that the modern world had made “efficiency” the goal of all human activities. Now, apparently, sex has become more “efficient,” too. Tinder users no longer have to worry about a long, drawn-out dating process in the hopes of eventually having sex. As “Nick” says, “Tinder is fast and easy, boom-boom-boom, swipe.”

10) But it’s also wearisome.

Amidst the smugness, grins and casual jokes in the article, one picks up a tone of ennui among the participants of the hookup culture. Unsurprisingly, a group of women in the article said that “it’s not uncommon for their hookups to lose their erections.”

Human beings have an innate desire for mystery. And in the end, I believe that part of the enduring goodness and attractiveness of sex lies in preserving its mystery. Those of us who have grown up with sex ed classes, and a steady dose of sexual images on the internet and in the entertainment industry, are all too familiar with sex. The hookup culture has taken familiarity with sex – or at least a version of it – to a whole new level. But, as the saying goes, “familiarity breeds contempt.” As strange as it may sound, I wonder if the hookup culture's casual use of sex contains the seeds of its future, and unfortunate, contempt for it.

Absinthe Anecdote
12-17-2015, 12:11 PM
An interesting relevant article:

http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/blog/sex-time-hooking

In the U.S. Tinder is just the most popular app that young people use, but this isn't really anything that new. People have been going to hookup bars and clubs for decades.

Technology has just made the the hookup process more efficient than establishing first contact by walking up cold in a bar and striking up a conversation.

You go to a bar or a club and sign in on Tinder and people let you know if they are interested.

With Tinder you still get shot down, but it happens before you walk up and start talking, so it takes away the sting of getting rejected face-to-face if she doesn't like the way you look, or vice versa.

All that changes is you get an electronic green light to approach, you still have to seal the deal.

There is a rather large 40 something pick-up bar near me and people are using similar apps there.

It is just using a smart phone to zero in on a hookup partner.

People have always been having one night stands.

Rusty Jones
12-17-2015, 12:23 PM
In the U.S. Tinder is just the most popular app that young people use, but this isn't really anything that new. People have been going to hookup bars and clubs for decades.

Technology has just made the the hookup process more efficient than establishing first contact by walking up cold in a bar and striking up a conversation.

You go to a bar or a club and sign in on Tinder and people let you know if they are interested.

With Tinder you still get shot down, but it happens before you walk up and start talking, so it takes away the sting of getting rejected face-to-face if she doesn't like the way you look, or vice versa.

All that changes is you get an electronic green light to approach, you still have to seal the deal.

There is a rather large 40 something pick-up bar near me and people are using similar apps there.

It is just using a smart phone to zero in on a hookup partner.

People have always been having one night stands.

The article says that one of the men claims that he's had 30 to 40 partners in the last year alone. I'm not saying that the average man can't get that many partners without the app, but I do think that most men wouldn't be willing to exhaust the effort.

Getting 30 to 40 partners in one year is pretty damn easy, if you can do it sitting on your ass at home with Tinder. Without Tinder, you'd have two choices: get up off your ass and to go the bar, or sit at home and whack off to porn and call it a night.

Absinthe Anecdote
12-17-2015, 12:49 PM
The article says that one of the men claims that he's had 30 to 40 partners in the last year alone. I'm not saying that the average man can't get that many partners without the app, but I do think that most men wouldn't be willing to exhaust the effort.

Getting 30 to 40 partners in one year is pretty damn easy, if you can do it sitting on your ass at home with Tinder. Without Tinder, you'd have two choices: get up off your ass and to go the bar, or sit at home and whack off to porn and call it a night.

I suppose you can use Tinder from home, but it is primarily used to zero in on people at bars and clubs with your smart phone.

Plus, that article focused on big cities and colleges. They are environments that make that app even more efficient.

I spent a lot of time in Tokyo and that is the easiest city to have a one night stand that I've ever been to.

I used the regular dating sites sometimes to arrange dates, but just going to a pub that has dart boards was the easiest.

Start playing darts by yourself, and if a girl is interested she'll start playing at the machine next to yours. If you have any charm whatsoever, you'll be in a love hotel with her a few hours later.

Tinder is sort of the smart phone version of the Tokyo dart board.

Bos Mutus
12-17-2015, 01:37 PM
"Some people are having a lot of sex.

Those people probably had sex education at some point.

Therefore, I conclude abstinence education is ineffective."


...there are a few holes in his research method, perhaps.

Absinthe Anecdote
12-17-2015, 02:05 PM
"Some people are having a lot of sex.

Those people probably had sex education at some point.

Therefore, I conclude abstinence education is ineffective."


...there are a few holes in his research method, perhaps.

I'd say that since people are driven by hormones and pheromones to have sex, telling people to abstain from sex isn't the most effective method of preventing the spread of STDs.

On an individual level if a person does actually abstain, sure it is effective.

However, as a society we shouldn't pin our hopes on abstinence education as a means to bring down the STD rate.

People are going to have sex.

That was the point he was trying to make.

Bos Mutus
12-17-2015, 02:51 PM
I'd say that since people are driven by hormones and pheromones to have sex, telling people to abstain from sex isn't the most effective method of preventing the spread of STDs.

On an individual level if a person does actually abstain, sure it is effective.

However, as a society we shouldn't pin our hopes on abstinence education as a means to bring down the STD rate.

People are going to have sex.

That was the point he was trying to make.

I don't disagree with your hypothesis on abstinence education.

I just disagree that the author had anything whatsoever to substantiate his conclusion here...he obviously had a preconceived notion about the effectiveness of abstinence education...did absolutely no research on that topic, but threw in this "conclusion" anyway.

I'm not saying abstinence education is effective...I'm just taking issue with his logical path on this one...he doesn't even know if this guy had abstinence education, he just guesses that most of the kids have had sex education. Also, he's researching kids who use Tinder...so, taking a promiscuous population to begin with and not an overall population.

Rusty Jones
12-17-2015, 03:29 PM
Well, the internet came out when I was 13. So I've never been an adult without the internet. Maybe I'm wrong when I say this, but I can't help but think that a single man getting laid must've been a much bigger deal back before then. Sex wasn't all over the place, you didn't have female friends posting half-naked pics of themselves on facebook and all that other shit. Unless you were willing to make that trip to the porn shop (assuming your town even had one, since many city ordnances don't allow them), the only way you were going to see tits and ass was in person. And it took a helluva lot more than an inbox message saying "Wanna fuck?"

Again, I wasn't an adult in 1992, so maybe I'm wrong. I'm just speculating.

giggawatt
12-17-2015, 03:50 PM
I can see why you feel that way. You're afraid it will create more transgenders that will possibly dupe you on shore leave, huh?

Don't worry. You are Air Force now and I bet you are getting smarter just by being around Air Force people.

Soon you will be dupe-proof.

Unless, you are PowerPro or Ammo.

Don't you ever, I mean EVER... put Power Pro in the same category as Ammo. That's just low man. I used to like you.

Absinthe Anecdote
12-17-2015, 04:29 PM
Don't you ever, I mean EVER... put Power Pro in the same category as Ammo. That's just low man. I used to like you.

Sorry man, you were just collateral damage in my swipe at SJ.

I'd never even heard of PowerPro except for you and SJ.

I thought you guys were all AGE mechanics.

MikeKerriii
12-17-2015, 04:52 PM
Well, the internet came out when I was 13. So I've never been an adult without the internet. Maybe I'm wrong when I say this, but I can't help but think that a single man getting laid must've been a much bigger deal back before then. Sex wasn't all over the place, you didn't have female friends posting half-naked pics of themselves on facebook and all that other shit. Unless you were willing to make that trip to the porn shop (assuming your town even had one, since many city ordnances don't allow them), the only way you were going to see tits and ass was in person. And it took a helluva lot more than an inbox message saying "Wanna fuck?"

Again, I wasn't an adult in 1992, so maybe I'm wrong. I'm just speculating.
I've been off the market since 82 but in the late sixties through the early eighties it was a lot easier to get laid than it seems to be now. Far safer also.

Rusty Jones
12-17-2015, 04:57 PM
I've been off the market since 82 but in the late sixties through the early eighties it was a lot easier to get laid than it seems to be now. Far safer also.

If shit went the way it did in 70's porn, I'd imagine so. Every man probably wanted to be a plumber back then.

Rainmaker
12-17-2015, 06:09 PM
I've been off the market since 82 but in the late sixties through the early eighties it was a lot easier to get laid than it seems to be now.

How would you know this if you've supposedly been off the market since 82?

Rusty Jones
12-17-2015, 07:02 PM
I couldn't say what it's like in the 80's, but I'd say it's easier to get laid now than it was back in 2000. When I was single back then, I probably had a date every two weeks and it was hit or miss on whether or not anything happened. I don't recall ever going more than two months without getting laid, but...

When I separated from my ex-wife back in 2005, I used to go on match.com... and I was able to get laid in a matter of hours. My record time is three hours.

Thanks to Tinder... you can get laid in a matter of MINUTES (I don't know from experience, but I imagine that to be the case with how AA is describing it). No need to "savor the experience" when you know sex is right around the corner. You'll begin to take sex for granted, and lose all respect for it.

Rainmaker
12-17-2015, 07:19 PM
You'll begin to take sex for granted, and lose all respect for it.

+1 Rusty

Not only that but, you're putting yourself at risk of losing all respect for women.

I've seen studies were the more partners that a woman has had when she gets married, the more likely that marriage is to end in divorce.

Because, No self respecting man in the world wants to marry some chick that's been fucked to pieces by the time she's 22.

at that point you'd be better off sticking with prostitutes.

So, I can't see where there's anything whatsoever to be gained for a man in marrying a sexually experienced woman.

These days you can find one of those pretty much any night you want, in most every bar.

MikeKerriii
12-18-2015, 01:30 AM
How would you know this if you've supposedly been off the market since 82?

Unlike you apparently I have friends that I talk to, and a couple of grown sons

Rainmaker
12-18-2015, 02:14 AM
Unlike you apparently I have friends that I talk to, and a couple of grown sons

I also have 2 Millennial sons Nelson. My Oldest is 26 and a currently a minor league baseball player and his brother is a 22 year old Army 2nd Lieutenant.

And Since apples don't fall far from the trees. Rainmaker'll take full odds on them being a little more popular with the ladies than yours.

MikeKerriii
12-18-2015, 02:30 AM
I also have 2 Millennial sons Nelson. My Oldest is 26 and a currently a minor league baseball player and his brother is a 22 year old Army 2nd Lieutenant.

And Since apples don't fall far from the trees. Rainmaker'll take full odds on them being a little more popular with ladies than yours.

One is working in Korea and doing fine The other Is a DENG 1st Lieutenant. They do quite well with companionship. Like their mom they are good looking, thankfully they did not get their looks from me just their size. But even I did not have much difficulty in the 70s.

If you have millennial sons isn't the hatred you have shown to that group quite bizarre?

Rainmaker
12-18-2015, 02:54 AM
One is working in Korea and doing fine The other Is a DENG 1st Lieutenant. They do quite well with companionship. Like their mom they are good looking, thankfully they did not get their looks from me just their size. But even I did not have much difficulty in the 70s.

If you have millennial sons isn't the hatred you have shown to that group quite bizarre?

I don't have 'hatred' for the millennials, at all. I didn't even retire until 2011 so I've supervised many of them in the Military and OEF/OIF, and i coach many of them every summer in American Legion ball right now.

Individually, there are a fair amount of good ones. so, I know what their capable of, when they're held accountable and given an opportunity to advance.

That said. Collectively the Generation is a mess. ,The average 20 something is suffering from a serious case of of arrested development and They have an entitlement mentality that is hard to manage.

It's pretty much a lost generation. and it's getting worse. Which is why we desperately need to roll back all this nanny state insanity and bring back good jobs.

I also have a Millineal daughter (16) and Fraternal 6 year old twins. Proving that God has a sense of humor!

Rainmaker
12-18-2015, 04:51 AM
http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Research/Images/G/GA-GE/gctscores_watermark.jpg?la=en

Not looking good for the home team. Maybe the test is too hard?