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Bos Mutus
10-29-2015, 09:54 PM
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The so-called

Bos Mutus
10-29-2015, 09:58 PM
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The so-called

Cropped. Read for yourself here: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2015/10/29/anonymous-intends-to-unveil-names-up-to-1000-ku-klux-klan-members.html?intcmp=hplnws

garhkal
10-30-2015, 03:39 AM
Earlier this year iirc 20/20 did an expose on this group, and showed just how many people in the states supports their illegal activities by letting Annonymous use their PCs to join in their hacks overnight while the owner sleeps.. IMO those who DO let their PC get used should get charged with being accomplices..

MikeKerriii
10-30-2015, 06:44 AM
Earlier this year iirc 20/20 did an expose on this group, and showed just how many people in the states supports their illegal activities by letting Annonymous use their PCs to join in their hacks overnight while the owner sleeps.. IMO those who DO let their PC get used should get charged with being accomplices..

The ways that robot/zombie PC are access would make in nearly impossible to get enough evidence to make an arrest or s get an indictment much less a conviction. You have top prove that the PC owner KNEW that his machine was being used to commit a crime, not just that it was reasonable to assume so.

And Anon is unlikely to be a target of the kind of operation need to take them down because too much of what they do is approved of by the general pubic, It is very hard t get a conviction when much of the jury thinks the victim "had it coming" as in the case of the KKK, Short of murder whatever you want to do against an organization like the KKK, or the WBC (another target) is more likely to get pubic approval that disapproval, no matter what the law says.

garhkal
10-30-2015, 08:48 AM
The ways that robot/zombie PC are access would make in nearly impossible to get enough evidence to make an arrest or s get an indictment much less a conviction. You have top prove that the PC owner KNEW that his machine was being used to commit a crime, not just that it was reasonable to assume so.


That i can see.


And Anon is unlikely to be a target of the kind of operation need to take them down because too much of what they do is approved of by the general pubic, It is very hard t get a conviction when much of the jury thinks the victim "had it coming" as in the case of the KKK, Short of murder whatever you want to do against an organization like the KKK, or the WBC (another target) is more likely to get pubic approval that disapproval, no matter what the law says.

But this i can't. It almost sounds like Mob rule. Just cause some in the Public may want it to happen does not make it right or legal.

Rusty Jones
10-30-2015, 12:03 PM
That i can see.



But this i can't. It almost sounds like Mob rule. Just cause some in the Public may want it to happen does not make it right or legal.

You sound like you don't want it to happen. As if you've got a personal stake in the matter, or know someone who does.

Rusty Jones
10-30-2015, 12:11 PM
For the record, I disagreed with their hacking of Ashley Madison. Mostly, because they sought to enforce marital fidelity, which is something that needs to be handled between the spouses.

However... this is a bit different. If there's a white physician who's a member of the KKK, and he's performing surgeries on black patients... you might want to know that. Police officers, teachers, restaurant owners, judges, mayors, and so many others... those are things that they public has the right to now.

IMO, supporting a law "just because it's the law" is less about respect for the law, and more about agreeing with what the law is doing or not doing in a particular case.

Absinthe Anecdote
10-30-2015, 01:38 PM
I'm surprised to find out that the KKK has that many members.

Rusty Jones

I would be floored to find out that they have surgeons in their ranks. With the amount of education and exposure to the outside world a person needs to become a surgeon, I think it would highly unlikely that they could maintain the same viewpoint of the KKK all the way through college, medical school, and residency.

At its peak membership in the 1920s the KKK had 4 million members, but that number plunged in the decades since. I see them as a relic of the past that appeals to people who are culturally isolated, i.e., very back-woodsy types with little education.

In regards to the FBI going after Annonymous, they have already demonstrated that they can infiltrate and prosecute them very easily.

Just look at what the FBI did to them in 2010-2011.

Another thing to consider, many times Annonymous's hacking claims turn out to be false. They often post publicly available information and claim they hacked it.

Bos Mutus
10-30-2015, 01:50 PM
That i can see.



But this i can't. It almost sounds like Mob rule. Just cause some in the Public may want it to happen does not make it right or legal.

It is kind of like a Robin Hood deal or vigilante, I guess.

Criminal, yes...but, attacking bad guys.

I could see "Anonymous" being a good movie...the new Death Wish.

Absinthe Anecdote
10-30-2015, 02:12 PM
You sound like you don't want it to happen. As if you've got a personal stake in the matter, or know someone who does.

Naw, Mannix doesn't roll that way.

He is just a stickler for rules, regulations and ordinances.

Rainmaker
10-30-2015, 05:52 PM
I've been reserving judgment about Anonymous for a while now. However,........

This language in this latest on-line hack, is a dead give-a way, that "Anonymous" is a predictive programing Psyop. It is just more fear mongering to steal more rights.

setting us up for a A cyber terrorist attack on the internet/ banking system that will mean the government would have to take control of it (under the guise of "keeping us safe").

Following the clampdown, The Internet as we know it today is going to be dead.

the 2nd highest number of hackers in world are from Israel (who had a Rothschild on the 500 shekel note)

Guy Fawkes (anonymous symbol) was a Jesuit fighter for Spain and the Catholic Church .....

See: Counter Reformation/restoring Catholic Dominion over the Anglo-Saxon Protestants (who had broken away from Rome's authority) .

Rusty Jones
10-30-2015, 06:15 PM
I've been reserving judgment about Anonymous for a while now. However,........

This language in this latest on-line hack, is a dead give-a way, that "Anonymous" is a predictive programing Psyop. It is just more fear mongering to steal more rights.

Anonymous has been around for years, and you decided to reserve judgment... until they decided to expose KKK members? Strange coincidence, don't you think?

Rainmaker
10-30-2015, 06:22 PM
Anonymous has been around for years, and you decided to reserve judgment... until they decided to expose KKK members? Strange coincidence, don't you think?

Rusty Jones the language in the release exposes them as leftist agitprop.

The latest "hack" kills 2 birds with 1 stone (racist right wing extremists meme and the internet needs more surveillance)

Absinthe Anecdote
10-30-2015, 06:30 PM
I've been reserving judgment about Anonymous for a while now. However,........

This language in this latest on-line hack, is a dead give-a way, that "Anonymous" is a predictive programing Psyop. It is just more fear mongering to steal more rights.

setting us up for a A cyber terrorist attack on the internet/ banking system that will mean the government would have to take control of it (under the guise of "keeping us safe").

Following the clampdown, The Internet as we know it today is going to be dead.

the 2nd highest number of hackers in world are from Israel (who had a Rothschild on the 500 shekel note)

Guy Fawkes (anonymous symbol) was a Jesuit fighter for Spain and the Catholic Church .....

See: Counter Reformation/restoring Catholic Dominion over the Anglo-Saxon Protestants (who had broken away from Rome's authority) .


Well, that would be a very shitty psyop because Anonymous is easily thwarted by network administrators that do their jobs.

I'm sure that the hacking of the KKK scares the hell out of you, but the rest of us don't care.

Besides, I doubt that the Klan is known for having impressive computer security skills.

Keeping software updated and using common sense security practices stops the vast majority of their attacks.

During the 2010-2011 timeframe, they had a few people who had some impressive skills. However, the FBI had little trouble rounding them up.

The recent email hack of CIA Director Brennan's personal email was the equivalent of him leaving his wallet on the front seat of his car with the window open. That wasn't even an Anonymous effort, but it illustrates that is more an issue of people exploiting poor security practices, than a sophisticated threat.

Even hackers that are sponsored by Nation-state entities are mostly stopped by good security.

When you start hearing about a group using a large number of Zero Day exploits, that is when you know they are sophisticated.

A Zero Day exploit is one that was previously unknown, and it usually indicates a level of sophistication that goes beyond those groups like Annonymous who troll for poorly secured web servers.

Rainmaker
10-30-2015, 06:40 PM
I'm sure that the hacking of the KKK scares the hell out of you, but the rest of us don't care.


I don't give a shit about the kkk clownshow and I don't fuck around on my wife.

But, I am open-minded.

So, as soon as anonymous starts posting the names (and associations) of the socialist Atheist Jew oligarchy behind the funding of the open borders, cop killing and transgender faggot agendas then I'll reconsider.

P.s. your hasbara game is weak!

UncaRastus
10-30-2015, 06:56 PM
Rainmaker,

Where did you pick up the fact that Jews being number 2 in the list for hackers? From what I have read, China is the second most hacker filled country in the world, while the US is number 1.

Maybe we should ask Mjolnir about the true figures. He is the XO for the Navy's Cyber War Command, or whatever it is named.

Little known fact:

Over the last couple of years, Mjolnir and I have banned spammers/spam bots/hackers from countries, worldwide. To date, we have removed about 800 of these bad boys.

I am just too lazy to try to figure out, country by country, how many are from each country. China/Russia/Russian Confederacy/France/Canada, and a few other countries make up the larger part of this list. Part of this list does contain some bad guys from Pakistan, Iran, and Egypt.

Number of bans for Israel, 0. We have yet to ban anyone from there. Why? Because the protocols which we identify the spammers and hackers with have not yet had any identified as having originated in Israel.

Rainmaker
10-30-2015, 07:15 PM
Rainmaker,

Where did you pick up the fact that Jews being number 2 in the list for hackers? From what I have read, China is the second most hacker filled country in the world, while the US is number 1.

Maybe we should ask Mjolnir about the true figures. He is the XO for the Navy's Cyberwar Command.

It's true uncle. Not counting us...

But, Rainmaker must clarify for the recording because the j-mafia trolls ( Absinthe Anecdote and Bos Mutus) will start shrieking Anti Semite...in 3...2....1...

Rainmaker said Israelies...Not "the Jews".There's a difference.

Absinthe Anecdote
10-30-2015, 07:16 PM
I don't give a shit about the kkk and I don't fuck around on my wife.

But, I am open-minded.

So, as soon as anonymous starts posting the names (and associations) of the socialist Atheist Jew oligarchy behind the funding of the open borders, cop killing and transgender faggot agendas then I'll reconsider.

P.s. your hasbara game is weak!


Historical Overview of the SSPX

The Society of St. Pius X is a schismatic offshoot of the Roman Catholic Church. It was founded by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre (1905-1991), a former bishop of Tulle, France, in 1969. Originally established as a religious order within the Catholic Church, the Society, under the Archbishop's leadership, became increasingly strident in its opposition to various reforms of the Second Vatican Council and even to the very teachings of the Council itself.

By 1987, the Society had so distanced itself from the mainstream Catholic Church that Lefebvre announced he would ordain bishops for his movement, a move historically seen by the church as formal schism. Lefebvre's stated reason for ordaining bishops was to preserve the priesthood, which he believed was in danger of dying out in mainstream Catholicism due to changes in the ordination ritual-changes secretly designed to prevent the actual ordination of priests, although to onlookers it would appear that such ordination had taken place. In 1988, the Vatican officially warned the Archbishop that he and the bishops consecrated by him would be excommunicated should he proceed with the episcopal ordinations.

In defiance of the Vatican warning, Lefebvre ordained four bishops in Econe, Switzerland (his international headquarters) on June 30, 1998. The next day, he and his followers were excommunicated by the Vatican, an act that was re-affirmed by Pope John Paul II the day after that. The Society's reaction to these developments was simply to deny that the excommunications had taken place, and it continues to teach its supporters that the excommunication story is a fiction spread by their enemies.

Since then, the Society has established bases in 18 countries and has operations in about 100 locations in the United States. No information is available concerning the number of its followers. Lefebvre died in 1991 and is revered as a saint by the Society, which built a shrine to him.

Beliefs

The Society of St. Pius X rejects the teachings of the Catholic Church expressed in the documents of the Second Vatican Council (1962-1965)--an international gathering of all the bishops of the Catholic Church called by Blessed John XXIII to reform the Church--and all subsequent developments after the Council.

The Society holds that the council propagated heresy under the influence of the devil, and that all popes since then have been heretics.

Chief among their objections are the reform of the Mass, a general orientation toward inclusion in the Church and the adoption of less stringent regulations concerning everyday life of Catholics. The Society presents all its teachings as "teachings of the Catholic Church," of which they believe they are the true remnant, the rest of the world's Catholics having been led astray. Followers of the Society generally refer to themselves as "Traditional Catholics."

Inclusion vs. Exclusion

The Society is opposed to the inclusive nature of Catholicism since the Council. They teach that one must be a member of the Catholic Church and believe as the Society teaches in order to be saved: "The Catholic Church firmly believes, professes, and proclaims that those not living within Her, not only pagans, but also Jews, heretics, and schismatics, cannot become participants in eternal life but will depart "into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels" (Mt. 25:41), unless before the end of life the same have been added to the flock." (Society Web site). Similarly, the Society believes that infants who die without being baptized are "punished with the punishment of the condemned, exclusive of the punishment of fire." (Society Web site). The Society condemns any and all dialogue, prayer or other interaction by their adherents with Protestants or members of any other religion. Such activities are deemed by the Society to be grounds for eternal damnation. The Society will not permit any Catholics to receive communion in their churches unless that Catholic first confess to a Society priest and profess Society beliefs. The Society denies the inherent value of every human being unless they are "true believers" and is opposed to the concept of religious liberty. Women are required to be subject to men, considered prone to vanity and in need of a strict and detailed code of attire, which includes veiling of their heads for prayer.

Everyday Life

The Society enjoins strict requirements on its adherents, including demands that they not have a television in their home, requiring specific types of attire (women are forbidden from wearing pants, for example), forbidding the reading of certain types of books (such as the Harry Potter books), including Catholic books written after the Council, and strict regulations regarding marriage. Adherents are strongly urged not to date or marry anyone outside the confines of the Society, although repercussions for doing so appear to vary from place to place. Because the Society teaches that marriage is for procreation only, and that affection or love are not necessary components of a marriage, the priest will often choose a spouse for an adherent from among their ranks. To further reinforce this practice, the Society teaches that the Roman Catholic concept of marriage, which states as a necessary part of marriage mutual affection and support, is heretical. The Society Web site contains many prescriptions for everyday life, covering such issues as whether an adherent may play folk guitar (Yes, so long as "the style remains that of folk music, refusing the deformations of Jazz and Rock"), permissible athletic attire for men and what type of school one may send one's children to. Although the Society decries the granting of marriage annulments by the Catholic Church as evidence of its moral deterioration, in 1987 it established procedures to provide its own annulments to its adherents-a process reserved by the Catholic Church to diocesan bishops. The Society consistently justifies such actions by claiming that the current "modernist" crisis exempts them, the true remnant, from any church law or teaching they find inconvenient.

Rainmaker
10-30-2015, 07:22 PM
Zzz...right out of the handbook.

Suprised you didn't start yelling out loud at Jesus about his klling of an innocent fig tree.

garhkal
10-30-2015, 07:49 PM
However... this is a bit different. If there's a white physician who's a member of the KKK, and he's performing surgeries on black patients... you might want to know that. Police officers, teachers, restaurant owners, judges, mayors, and so many others... those are things that they public has the right to now.

Why would having a white doctor who is working on black patients, but is a KKK member, be 'public has a right to know'? Unless that doc is willfully giving those black patients a lesser level of service, i don't see it.


It is kind of like a Robin Hood deal or vigilante, I guess.

Criminal, yes...but, attacking bad guys.

I could see "Anonymous" being a good movie...the new Death Wish.

But they are only 'bad guys' in the sense that these groups does stuff Anonymous dislikes..



Little known fact:

Over the last couple of years, Mjolnir and I have banned spammers/spam bots/hackers from countries, worldwide. To date, we have removed about 800 of these bad boys.

I am just too lazy to try to figure out, country by country, how many are from each country. China/Russia/Russian Confederacy/France/Canada, and a few other countries make up the larger part of this list. Part of this list does contain some bad guys from Pakistan, Iran, and Egypt.

Number of bans for Israel, 0. We have yet to ban anyone from there. Why? Because the protocols which we identify the spammers and hackers with have not yet had any identified as having originated in Israel.

Thank's for your and Mjolnir's work.

Rusty Jones
10-30-2015, 08:01 PM
Why would having a white doctor who is working on black patients, but is a KKK member, be 'public has a right to know'? Unless that doc is willfully giving those black patients a lesser level of service, i don't see it.

This, right here, doesn't even deserve a response. I'll just make it my new signature instead.

UncaRastus
10-30-2015, 08:03 PM
You're welcome, Garhkal.

TJMAC77SP
10-30-2015, 08:51 PM
Rainmaker,

Where did you pick up the fact that Jews being number 2 in the list for hackers? From what I have read, China is the second most hacker filled country in the world, while the US is number 1.

Maybe we should ask Mjolnir about the true figures. He is the XO for the Navy's Cyber War Command, or whatever it is named.

Little known fact:

Over the last couple of years, Mjolnir and I have banned spammers/spam bots/hackers from countries, worldwide. To date, we have removed about 800 of these bad boys.

I am just too lazy to try to figure out, country by country, how many are from each country. China/Russia/Russian Confederacy/France/Canada, and a few other countries make up the larger part of this list. Part of this list does contain some bad guys from Pakistan, Iran, and Egypt.

Number of bans for Israel, 0. We have yet to ban anyone from there. Why? Because the protocols which we identify the spammers and hackers with have not yet had any identified as having originated in Israel.

I really don't want to wade into this long standing abortion of a discussion but I find it amazing that you haven't discovered anyone hacking from Israel. They have a very strong and advanced computer tech industry and Technion is a very highly thought of school (think Israeli MIT). Could it be you simply aren't detecting them?

TJMAC77SP
10-30-2015, 08:54 PM
This, right here, doesn't even deserve a response. I'll just make it my new signature instead.

Why didn't you quote his entire response?

"Why would having a white doctor who is working on black patients, but is a KKK member, be 'public has a right to know'? Unless that doc is willfully giving those black patients a lesser level of service, i don't see it."

Absinthe Anecdote
10-30-2015, 09:01 PM
I really don't want to wade into this long standing abortion of a discussion but I find it amazing that you haven't discovered anyone hacking from Israel. They have a very strong and advanced computer tech industry and Technion is a very highly thought of school (think Israeli MIT). Could it be you simply aren't detecting them?

Spammers and spam bots aren't in the same category of nation-state sponsored hackers.

Spam bots are the computer equivalent of junk mail, and that is what Rastus is talking about cleaning up.

TJMAC77SP
10-31-2015, 03:42 PM
Spammers and spam bots aren't in the same category of nation-state sponsored hackers.

Spam bots are the computer equivalent of junk mail, and that is what Rastus is talking about cleaning up.

I wasn't referring to nation-state sponsored hackers but individual Israeli citizens. I seems strange to me that none have been identified from that country.

UncaRastus
10-31-2015, 04:18 PM
TJ,

I am sure that we aren't detecting everybody. The removal of those that we can not discover is done by some nice people far above our non existent paygrade.

We ban the low hanging fruit, as it were.

TEGNA has to employ some pretty good anti-hack people, or this forum would be long gone, or totally messed up.

Once in awhile, I do believe that we catch some not so good hackers, down at the SM level of anti-badguy activity. Then again, maybe not.

Theirs not to question why, theirs but to do and die, into the valley of spam, rode the Super Moderators.

MikeKerriii
11-01-2015, 03:56 AM
Why would having a white doctor who is working on black patients, but is a KKK member, be 'public has a right to know'? Unless that doc is willfully giving those black patients a lesser level of service, i don't see it.. You don't think that a patent has a right to know if their doctor is insane of has become mentally deficient? Or if their doctor wants to harm them?




But they are only 'bad guys' in the sense that these groups does stuff Anonymous dislikes.. Who have they gone after except perhaps Ashley Madison that the general public doesn't think are bad guys? They tend to only go after people that the general public would consider scum or worse? They go after folks like the KKK and the WBC for the most part and I would guess that a majority of the public cheers them on. Exposing who is is the KKK doesn't harm any good people, so the general public is not going to get too upset. Can you imagine trying to get twelve people to unanimously agree that harassing the Westboro Baptist Church is a crime worthy of punishment? The same goes for the Klan. It is rough on a prosecutor when people look at the crime and smile, or even laugh at the victim.

Schadenfreude makes a conviction hard to achieve,

Mjölnir
11-01-2015, 01:38 PM
The problem (IMO) with a hacktivist group such as Anonymous is that there is no accountability on their part for their actions.

When the Ferguson MO (Michael Brown) incident took place, an Anonymous associated hacker published the full name, home address, home and cell numbers and SSN of a St. Louis police officer that they determined was the shooter ... unfortunately it was the wrong guy. Their (wrong) conclusion was based on pretty poor analytic techniques: the guy did work for the police department (non-officer position), was blonde -- as described by witnesses to the shooting etc. however he was deemed 'guilty enough'. What ensued for the wrongly named man was death-threats, relocating his family and credit problems. There have been dozens of incidents like this attributed to Anonymous. Even if they had named the correct person, they assume guilt absent due process.

The decentralized nature of the group prevents true organization & accountability. The group generally supports internet freedom, opposes censorship, highly supports personal privacy (particularly important for this topic) and undertakes 'social justice'. Problematic is that the group contradicts its own stated goals depending on the motive / viewpoint of the particular member. For a group whose members seem to be fervent about privacy, publishing a list of names of persons who belong to a private organization is counter to that. The KKK is a hate group, and what they espouse is foul but where is the line drawn on what doesn't meet the social 'litmus test' of a hacker who has an axe to grind with a particular issue or organization? Is the next step a political viewpoint screening, religious screening or other ideological determination that you are or are not 'acceptable.'

The initial motive of Anonymous was security and software issues. When Anonymous published data that is obtained through illegal access this costs money to the impacted companies. These costs are passed along to the consumer. If these types of groups worked with many of these companies, they could get the same effect with much less cost. However the 'prank' and public embarrassment has become a parallel motivation of many within the group.

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... Short of murder whatever you want to do against an organization like the KKK, or the WBC (another target) is more likely to get pubic approval that disapproval, no matter what the law says.

Unfortunately the Westboro Baptist Church raised the vast majority of its money through lawsuits (violation of their free speech rights) despite the majority of the public not wanting to hear what they have to say.

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However... this is a bit different. If there's a white physician who's a member of the KKK, and he's performing surgeries on black patients... you might want to know that. Police officers, teachers, restaurant owners, judges, mayors, and so many others... those are things that they public has the right to now.

I would disagree for the most part. The public doesn't have a right to know, but a desire to know that who they either patronize or support has a set of values or beliefs similar to their own. If someone is a racist that is their business ... the moment that belief stimulates an action that infringes on someone else's rights then there is a problem. In the case of the examples you give, if the racist is executing their job without bias, what they do or espouse in their private life is private unless they have harmed someone as a result of a personal belief ... Otherwise we would be arbitrarily prosecuting people for committing though-crimes. If their beliefs become public, it is up to the public to decide if they support that person or not.

Mjölnir
11-01-2015, 02:08 PM
Who have they gone after except perhaps Ashley Madison that the general public doesn't think are bad guys?

2008-Church of Scientology -incorrectly named individuals with no ties to CoS as pro-CoS hackers -- got the personal ID's wrong. They had damage to their credit accounts and had to go through multiple iterations of email address / provider changes.

2012-Named the wrong private individual in a bullying case where the bullied kid committed suicide.

2012-Named the wrong private individual as the Sandy Hook shooter. Death threats and he dropped off social media.

2013-Named the wrong private individuals as the Boston Marathon bombing suspects.

2013-Named the wrong private company as being owned by an avowed racist; realized they got it wrong and named another private company ... got it wrong that time too. Those companies lost a few clients before it all got sorted out.

2014-Named the wrong individual as the Ferguson MO police officer that shot Michael Brown. Death threats, family and he went into hiding, eventually returned to work but still receiving threats as of SEPT 2015.

It is very hard to feel too sorry for targets such as the KKK, but too often they are good hackers but poor investigators or analysts and they get it wrong. And when they do, it can have devastating consequences for those concerned: Accused of horrendous crimes or association with organizations that they have never associated with their names become permanently linked via a no-accountability vigilante who is a poor investigator.

For all you know there may be a guy named Mike Kerr as a member of the KKK, however your name may be 'close enough' to be named. It may not effect you or you may not care ... but most would be effected and do care. And it may be another issue down the road that is not tied to race that an innocent private individual is tied to via shoddy investigative work by a social-justice seeking hacker.

Mjölnir
11-01-2015, 02:50 PM
The recent email hack of CIA Director Brennan's personal email was the equivalent of him leaving his wallet on the front seat of his car with the window open. That wasn't even an Anonymous effort, but it illustrates that is more an issue of people exploiting poor security practices, than a sophisticated threat.

That was actually done via social engineering on Verizon employees and without real technical skill. The individual posed as a Verizon employee who was making a service call for the customer (Brennan) but could not access account info for the service call. The Verizon rep provided the Verizon account number, his four-digit PIN, the backup mobile number on the account, Brennan’s AOL email address and the last four digits on his bank card. Using that info the individual was able to manually reset the AOL password and take control of the account. When Brennan changed the password the individual changed it again. After two or three iterations Brennan closed the account.

Mjölnir
11-01-2015, 02:58 PM
I really don't want to wade into this long standing abortion of a discussion but I find it amazing that you haven't discovered anyone hacking from Israel.

Just no IP's that are registered from Israel. It is relatively easy to mask or layer service providers to hide where someone is accessing the internet from.

Now, for most of the spambots and non-US IPs we get they are easy to detect since they are also broadcasting an ICQ address. We don't blanket ban foreign IP's to allow users overseas who may be accessing from home (non-DoD) networks to still access.

I don't go beyond the closest IP out from MTF because honestly ... that is beyond what I consider to be my authority or investigative license on behalf of MTF. Could I? Yes ... but I don't think that is my place.

A couple of previous users who were banned were very easy to detect because they attempted to access MTF on their banned account then went to a new account with a masked IP immediately ... after a couple of iterations it is a pattern that is simple to ID. One in particular I caught very quick and told him if he played nicely and adhered to the guidelines I would not ban the new name ...

garhkal
11-02-2015, 04:34 AM
You don't think that a patent has a right to know if their doctor is insane of has become mentally deficient? Or if their doctor wants to harm them?

So if a doc was a member of the BLM crew or Black panthers, you would consider them also mental/insane? Or is it just those who are KKK members you label that?


Who have they gone after except perhaps Ashley Madison that the general public doesn't think are bad guys? They tend to only go after people that the general public would consider scum or worse? They go after folks like the KKK and the WBC for the most part and I would guess that a majority of the public cheers them on. Exposing who is is the KKK doesn't harm any good people, so the general public is not going to get too upset. Can you imagine trying to get twelve people to unanimously agree that harassing the Westboro Baptist Church is a crime worthy of punishment? The same goes for the Klan. It is rough on a prosecutor when people look at the crime and smile, or even laugh at the victim.

Schadenfreude makes a conviction hard to achieve,

Well, looking up who's been their targets, we have:
Church of Scienceology
Kiddy porn sites
Copyright protection agencies
Westbro baptist church
paypal
visa
sony

Other than the kiddy porn sites/westbro baptist church, do you honestly feel the rest of those deserve what they get?


The problem (IMO) with a hacktivist group such as Anonymous is that there is no accountability on their part for their actions.

That is my big issue with these guys. If they get it wrong and slander/defame the wrong person, who can anyone go after to find redress? Unlike if a newspaper does it, there is no one to punish, or get an apology from.

Additionally if their acts directly lead to someone's death (by say outing a KKK member who then gets mobbed to death), there is no one the Law can go after unlike if say I stood on a street corner and by my acts, it Incited you to mob that guy.. I can get arrested.

Mjölnir
11-02-2015, 11:56 AM
That is my big issue with these guys. If they get it wrong and slander/defame the wrong person, who can anyone go after to find redress? Unlike if a newspaper does it, there is no one to punish, or get an apology from.

Additionally if their acts directly lead to someone's death (by say outing a KKK member who then gets mobbed to death), there is no one the Law can go after unlike if say I stood on a street corner and by my acts, it Incited you to mob that guy.. I can get arrested.

Even before the accountability part, they are not trained investigators or analysts. Some are good at it ... some make wildly inaccurate assumptions and 'good enough' ends up slandering an innocent private citizen or company.

It is very easy to be an internet bully and cause people / companies harm (emotional, financial etc.) when your name, reputation and livelihood are not on the line.

Rusty Jones
11-02-2015, 12:25 PM
So if a doc was a member of the BLM crew or Black panthers, you would consider them also mental/insane?

BLM or the original Black Panthers as founded by Huey Newton? No. The current New Black Panthers? Yes.


Or is it just those who are KKK members you label that?

Your efforts to defend the KKK throughout this thread are starting to look suspect.

Bos Mutus
11-02-2015, 03:00 PM
Here is a partial list of USA KKK Politicians according to Anonymous:
Senator Tom Tillis from North Carolina
Senator John Cornyn, Texas
Senator, John Horne Iverson, Georgia
Senator, Dan Coats, Indiana
Mayor, Madeline Rogero, Knoxville TN
Mayor Jim Mayer, Lexington KY
Mayor Kent Guinn, Ocala, Florida
Mayor Tom Henry, Fort Wayne Indiana

I wonder if they'd rather have been on the Ashley Madison site?

Rainmaker
11-02-2015, 04:44 PM
BLM or the original Black Panthers as founded by Huey Newton? No. The current New Black Panthers? Yes.



Your efforts to defend the KKK throughout this thread are starting to look suspect.

Agree Rusty..... You simply can't compare these retarded dupes in these "Protest" movements to the Klan, Because, they're not self-funding and are only going to be allowed to cause as much damage as the White, race-baiting, socialist, cockroaches will allow

Rainmaker
11-02-2015, 05:26 PM
I wonder if they'd rather have been on the Ashley Madison site?

Knoxville Mayor Madeline Anne Rogero, age 63: Democrat, Known KKK Affiliated Group,KU KLOS KNIGHTS of the Ku Klux Klan.

Daughter of a Catholic Nun and former Labor Organizer for Cesar Chavez.....

Hmmmm.....That's odd.... Not the typical profile....I thought the Klan hated Catholics? Wait, I know!....She must be SSPX!

Wonder what this Skinhead looks like?.....Let's see.... Here's a family portrait ..........

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/local-news/meet-the-new-mayor-family-shared-time-important

"Anonymous"...... LULZ.

Rusty Jones
11-02-2015, 06:07 PM
Knoxville Mayor Madeline Anne Rogero, age 63: Democrat, Known KKK Affiliated Group,KU KLOS KNIGHTS of the Ku Klux Klan.

Daughter of a Catholic Nun and former Labor Organizer for Cesar Chavez.....

Hmmmm.....That's odd....I thought the Klan hated Catholics...She must be SSPX...

Wonder what this Skinhead looks like?.....Let's see.... Here's a family portrait ..........

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/local-news/meet-the-new-mayor-family-shared-time-important

"Anonymous"...... LULZ.

Not all dixiecrats, blue dogs, and bolweevils have left. Hell, the GOP still has Powell, Hunstman, and Kasich. All exceptions to the rule.

Rainmaker
11-02-2015, 06:13 PM
Not all dixiecrats, blue dogs, and bolweevils have left. Hell, the GOP still has Powell, Hunstman, and Kasich. All exceptions to the rule.

Ahh ha...so, she's an Italian- Marxist Catholic, Migrant Labor Organizer with a bunch of Black kids that secretly attends KKK rallies on the side?

Should've known.... .these rayciss psychos are hiding every where!

Rusty Jones
11-03-2015, 03:37 AM
Anonymous announced that the lists that were released are fakes, and that the real one won't be out until the 5th.

Which makes sense, because one of the lists had Norfolk mayor Paul Fraim on it. Being Catholic, the KKK would never take him. That would also be odd for anyone who was the mayor of Norfolk or most of the cities in the area.

Now of the mayor of Poquoson were to be outted (Poquoson is our local sundown town), I wouldn't be shocked.

garhkal
11-03-2015, 04:34 AM
Even before the accountability part, they are not trained investigators or analysts. Some are good at it ... some make wildly inaccurate assumptions and 'good enough' ends up slandering an innocent private citizen or company.

It is very easy to be an internet bully and cause people / companies harm (emotional, financial etc.) when your name, reputation and livelihood are not on the line.

Exactly. Back in the day everyone knew who the bullies were, cause everyone SAW them. These days cause of the Anonymity the web gives people, everyone could be a bully.

Rusty Jones
11-06-2015, 12:09 AM
Yep, here's the list. It's out, and it's fucking stupid.

http://pastebin.com/wbvP95wg

I copied and pasted about 20 random facebook and google+ accounts, and every last one of the pages that I sampled... there was KKK and Neo-Nazi shit all over their pages.

In other words... all Anonymous did was expose people who weren't trying to keep it a secret anyway.

Rusty Jones
11-06-2015, 12:20 AM
Here's another list I checked out. Same thing.

http://pastebin.com/QbH1566i

Absinthe Anecdote
11-06-2015, 02:26 AM
Yep, here's the list. It's out, and it's fucking stupid.

http://pastebin.com/wbvP95wg

I copied and pasted about 20 random facebook and google+ accounts, and every last one of the pages that I sampled... there was KKK and Neo-Nazi shit all over their pages.

In other words... all Anonymous did was expose people who weren't trying to keep it a secret anyway.

It is like I said earlier in the thread, Anonymous exggerates nearly all of their hacking claims.

A great number of their "hacks" and data dumps are from publicly available information.

They are pretenders and wannabes for the most part.

TJMAC77SP
11-06-2015, 04:29 AM
Yep, here's the list. It's out, and it's fucking stupid.

http://pastebin.com/wbvP95wg

I copied and pasted about 20 random facebook and google+ accounts, and every last one of the pages that I sampled... there was KKK and Neo-Nazi shit all over their pages.

In other words... all Anonymous did was expose people who weren't trying to keep it a secret anyway.

So your completely baseless characterization of both the town and mayor of Poquoson, VA was baseless? Am I understanding that correctly?


Now of the mayor of Poquoson were to be outted (Poquoson is our local sundown town), I wouldn't be shocked.

Rusty Jones
11-06-2015, 10:56 AM
So your completely baseless characterization of both the town and mayor of Poquoson, VA was baseless? Am I understanding that correctly?

Looks to me like you're not familiar with my area. Or... wait a sec, maybe you are, but any and all claims of white on black racism to you is "playing the race card."

Absinthe Anecdote
11-06-2015, 12:35 PM
I know a little about Poquoson, it is a little town in the swamp on the back side of Langley AFB. Back in the 1980s it had a lot of trailer parks with poor white folks living in them.

But I heard a developer came in and built McMansions all over the place.

Never heard it called a sundown community, what ever that is.

Rusty Jones
11-06-2015, 04:11 PM
I know a little about Poquoson, it is a little town in the swamp on the back side of Langley AFB. Back in the 1980s it had a lot of trailer parks with poor white folks living in them.

But I heard a developer came in and built McMansions all over the place.

Never heard it called a sundown community, what ever that is.

Half the people in Poquoson have no problem admitting that it's a sundown town (even if they don't exactly use that term). As for the rest who might not admit it, you'll often hear things like "I'd have no problem living around black people, if they'd just (insert something that Rainmaker would say)."

My grandfather on my father's side is from a sundown town (Jonesboro, IL); so I haven't really met many people on that side of my family.

Bos Mutus
11-06-2015, 04:33 PM
Never heard it called a sundown community, what ever that is.

News to me, too


A sundown town is a town, city, or neighborhood in the United States that is purposely all-white (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_people), excluding people of other races (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_%28human_classification%29). The term came from signs that were posted stating that people of color (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_of_color) had to leave the town by sundown. They are also sometimes known as sunset towns or gray towns.

Didn't Poquoson used to have a really good fish festival or something? I spent a year at Langley and remember that being a pretty big deal...

TJMAC77SP
11-06-2015, 04:54 PM
Looks to me like you're not familiar with my area. Or... wait a sec, maybe you are, but any and all claims of white on black racism to you is "playing the race card."

Yes I am and I have a calendar that correctly reports the year as 2015...............

For the record, any false, exaggerated or outdated claims of white on black racism IS 'playing the race card'.

Rainmaker
11-06-2015, 04:55 PM
Half the people in Poquoson have no problem admitting that it's a sundown town (even if they don't exactly use that term). As for the rest who might not admit it, you'll often hear things like "I'd have no problem living around black people, if they'd just (insert something that Rainmaker would say)."

My grandfather on my father's side is from a sundown town (Jonesboro, IL); so I haven't really met many people on that side of my family.

Rainmaker's never heard of Poquoson Rusty. But, just looked it up and it seems like a nice enough place (even if it's not Diverse enough).

Anyhow, Next time he's up in Norfuck, he'll make it a point to stop in and support the local economy just for you.

Absinthe Anecdote
11-06-2015, 05:13 PM
I have trouble believing that there are white communities in the modern era that are posting signs warning blacks to get out by sundown.

Maybe that happened way back when, but whatever, it goes both ways.

Read Nathan McCall's book, "Makes me wanna holler" about his story of growing up as a young black man in Newport News. In it he tells of beating up white guys for just riding through their neighborhood.

My opinion is that racial violence of that nature is directly associated with poverty. As a white guy living in Baltimore, I feel safe living in a middle class black neighborhood, people are very nice to me.

However, if I go a few blocks down the road to a poor area, I do not. Drugs, violence and poverty is what is different.

Poquoson might have once been a poor white area where a black guy wasn't safe. From what I understand is that it was gentrified back in the housing boom and the poor people were displaced.

Rainmaker
11-06-2015, 05:53 PM
I have trouble believing that there are white communities in the modern era that are posting signs warning blacks to get out by sundown.

Of course there isn't. Because, If there even was such a town still in existence, the Liberal Media would be all over it.

But, reality doesn't matter to the Kabbalist Diversity cult.

You see, they understand that Perception is reality (in the beginning was the word), which is why America is being bombarded with this constant barrage of Marxist Anti-White Propaganda, Like the "Anonymous" Bullshit KKK hack, Jim Crow sundown towns, Hands up don't shoot, Black Lives matter, Confederate Flags and on and on it goes.

It's all part of the narrative designed to reinforce the fake stereotype of the poor, oppressed minority. so that way the grievance industry can continue, for the people that are profiting from it.


but whatever, it goes both ways.

No it doesn't. Time to Stop spreading this lie. it's incredibly one sided.

A black male is about 40 times as likely to assault a white as the reverse.

Rusty Jones
11-06-2015, 08:08 PM
Yes I am and I have a calendar that correctly reports the year as 2015...............

For the record, any false, exaggerated or outdated claims of white on black racism IS 'playing the race card'.

Ah yes, the old "racism is a thing of the past" argument. Check your white privilege.


I have trouble believing that there are white communities in the modern era that are posting signs warning blacks to get out by sundown.

Maybe that happened way back when, but whatever, it goes both ways.

Read Nathan McCall's book, "Makes me wanna holler" about his story of growing up as a young black man in Newport News. In it he tells of beating up white guys for just riding through their neighborhood.

My opinion is that racial violence of that nature is directly associated with poverty. As a white guy living in Baltimore, I feel safe living in a middle class black neighborhood, people are very nice to me.

However, if I go a few blocks down the road to a poor area, I do not. Drugs, violence and poverty is what is different.

Poquoson might have once been a poor white area where a black guy wasn't safe. From what I understand is that it was gentrified back in the housing boom and the poor people were displaced.

The signs saying things like "don't let the sun set on your black ass in this town" and so forth only provide the history behind the name "sundown town." That doesn't necessarily mean that the signs were there in every sundown town, or even that blacks were allowed in during daylight. For example, there's no known history of Poquoson ever having that sign. However, if I recall correctly, there was a town in Texas called Vidor that had one as recently as ten years ago. They were forced to take it down, but it's still a sundown town in practice as there are still reports of blacks and Latinos being harassed and escorted outside of the city limits by police.

TJMAC77SP
11-06-2015, 10:30 PM
Ah yes, the old "racism is a thing of the past" argument. Check your white privilege.



Not that I am surprised but your entire rebuttal is to put quotes around some trite line and call it a day?

Exactly what about my 'white privilege' should I check? Can you detail specifically what benefits I received because of 'white privilege'?

I am speaking of me specifically, not the mythical image of white people you maintain to support your particular bullshit narrative? As an example of the bullshit narrative I refer to, perhaps I shopped at the Harris Teeter on Colonial Ave that wouldn't accept food stamps 'cause that would keep the 'black folk' out of the area?

TJMAC77SP
11-06-2015, 10:40 PM
The signs saying things like "don't let the sun set on your black ass in this town" and so forth only provide the history behind the name "sundown town." That doesn't necessarily mean that the signs were there in every sundown town, or even that blacks were allowed in during daylight. For example, there's no known history of Poquoson ever having that sign. However, if I recall correctly, there was a town in Texas called Vidor that had one as recently as ten years ago. They were forced to take it down, but it's still a sundown town in practice as there are still reports of blacks and Latinos being harassed and escorted outside of the city limits by police.

So, Poquoson didn't have a sign but your point regarding Poquoson's current situation is proven by citing the irrelevant example of the town in Texas that had one ten years ago.

I'll tell you what, I have more than one calendar. I'll send you one so you can stay aware of what the year is.

Rusty Jones
11-06-2015, 11:15 PM
Not that I am surprised but your entire rebuttal is to put quotes around some trite line and call it a day?

Yep, sure is. Doesn't have to be original in order for it to apply. So let me say it again: check your white privilege.


Exactly what about my 'white privilege' should I check? Can you detail specifically what benefits I received because of 'white privilege'?

Your inability to see racism, because you're not a victim of it at the macro level.


I am speaking of me specifically, not the mythical image of white people you maintain to support your particular bullshit narrative? As an example of the bullshit narrative I refer to, perhaps I shopped at the Harris Teeter on Colonial Ave that wouldn't accept food stamps 'cause that would keep the 'black folk' out of the area?

You complain about some simple trite response, and you keep bringing up Harris Teeter. Is that all you've got?

Call it "bullshit" if you want. Let's face it, you're just as much of a racist piece of shit as Rainmaker. You're just not as loud about it.

Rusty Jones
11-06-2015, 11:18 PM
So, Poquoson didn't have a sign but your point regarding Poquoson's current situation is proven by citing the irrelevant example of the town in Texas that had one ten years ago.

I'll tell you what, I have more than one calendar. I'll send you one so you can stay aware of what the year is.

I Googled Poquoson and racism for you. You can see how everyone in the Hampton Roads area is fully aware of it. You want to keep arguing that Poquoson isn't racist? Great, that only further shows your white privilege... and that you'd probably feel right at home in Poquoson.

https://www.google.com/#q=poquoson+racism

TJMAC77SP
11-06-2015, 11:31 PM
I Googled Poquoson and racism for you. You can see how everyone in the Hampton Roads area is fully aware of it. You want to keep arguing that Poquoson isn't racist? Great, that only further shows your white privilege... and that you'd probably feel right at home in Poquoson.

https://www.google.com/#q=poquoson+racism

So you posted what you claimed to be a definitive classification of Poquoson as a racist town (now, not decades ago) and THEN you Googled it?

Interesting research methods.

Did you actually read the search results. Seems for every uncited claim of current racism in Poquoson there is one saying it is generally in the past.

Didn't really achieve what you desired there

Rusty Jones
11-06-2015, 11:36 PM
So you posted what you claimed to be a definitive classification of Poquoson as a racist town (now, not decades ago) and THEN you Googled it?

Interesting research methods.

Did you actually read the search results. Seems for every uncited claim of current racism in Poquoson there is one saying it is generally in the past.

Didn't really achieve what you desired there

Oh, look! You're still in denial! Nothing, NOTHING, will ever get you to see that Poquoson is a sundown town. You refuse to see it and/or you simply can't. I could do this all day with you, and you're still going to keep arguing that Poquoson is not a sundown town. That's some pretty strong conviction you have there!

TJMAC77SP
11-06-2015, 11:39 PM
Yep, sure is. Doesn't have to be original in order for it to apply. So let me say it again: check your white privilege

Your inability to see racism, because you're not a victim of it at the macro level.

What does that even mean? What am I checking? What about MY life am I checking? You didn't answer or even come close to answering my questions.

Where have I ever denied the existence of racism? What I deny is your racist narrative that seeks to see it everywhere. Perhaps to explain away a mediocre life. I don't really know.

I am sure there are racists in Poquoson. I can almost guarantee you have racists within a stone's throw of where you live and they aren't limited to your white neighbors. In fact we know there is one in your house. That doesn't excuse uttering drivel labeling an entire town as racists.


You complain about some simple trite response, and you keep bringing up Harris Teeter. Is that all you've got?

Call it "bullshit" if you want. Let's face it, you're just as much of a racist piece of shit as Rainmaker. You're just not as loud about it.

It is the best example of your fabricating 'facts' to fit your racist narrative. You lied. You simply wrote something completely untrue in order to bolster a weak and mostly bullshit position. It is your default response. Much like the personal insults you have resorted to here. That smell of desperation is back. I imagine the homoerotic insults can't be far behind.

TJMAC77SP
11-06-2015, 11:41 PM
Oh, look! You're still in denial! Nothing, NOTHING, will ever get you to see that Poquoson is a sundown town. You refuse to see it and/or you simply can't. I could do this all day with you, and you're still going to keep arguing that Poquoson is not a sundown town. That's some pretty strong conviction you have there!

Actually you are missing the point. It might be because you really can't grasp it so I'll explain it.

What I am denying is YOUR personal and intimate ACTUAL knowledge of the town as it exists now.

Rusty Jones
11-06-2015, 11:49 PM
Actually you are missing the point. It might be because you really can't grasp it so I'll explain it.

What I am denying is YOUR personal and intimate ACTUAL knowledge of the town as it exists now.

I'm a local. I'm just as aware as everyone else in the Hampton Roads area what goes on in Poquoson. Tell me more about what makes you credible to speak on Poquoson.

TJMAC77SP
11-07-2015, 12:21 AM
I'm a local. I'm just as aware as everyone else in the Hampton Roads area what goes on in Poquoson. Tell me more about what makes you credible to speak on Poquoson.

Well you couldn't find much credible on Google to back you up. In fact, a lot of the websites had alleged 'locals' saying what you are describing is more in the past than in the future.

TJMAC77SP
11-07-2015, 12:22 AM
I did. You simply don't like the answer.



There are no racists in my house anymore. My brother and I kicked your daughter out after doing the Chinese finger cuffs on her. She might be racist, but not when it comes to black cock.





Oh, personal insults? Yeah, I think you're a racist piece of shit and I'm going to tell you that. I really don't give two fucks if you call me on it. It doesn't change that fact.

OMG, my daughter.....wow.


Mmmmmmmmmmmm yep, there's that smell

Rusty Jones
11-07-2015, 12:25 AM
Well you couldn't find much credible on Google to back you up. In fact, a lot of the websites had alleged 'locals' saying what you are describing is more in the past than in the future.

What do you need? A peer reviewed academic journal article with a bunch of Greek letter statistics equations? You know what, don't answer that question. Like I said, NOTHING works... and I'm really not interested of convincing you of anything. You're in denial. It's that white privilege!

Rusty Jones
11-07-2015, 12:25 AM
OMG, my daughter.....wow.


Mmmmmmmmmmmm yep, there's that smell

Yep, I'm talking shit. So what? Grow a pair and talk shit back, chump.

Bourne
11-07-2015, 12:36 AM
Please bring this thread back on topic.

Rainmaker
11-07-2015, 02:02 AM
Yep, I'm talking shit. So what? Grow a pair and talk shit back, chump.

Oh no he di'int!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TgoF-ccdGM

TJMAC77SP
11-07-2015, 02:54 AM
Oh no he di'int!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TgoF-ccdGM

I feel so inadequate...........................

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M-CT9TVboo

TJMAC77SP
11-09-2015, 09:36 PM
Now I get it............

Another made up phrase which has been adopted by those incapable of original thought. Shoulda' known.

http://theprincetontory.com/main/checking-my-privilege-character-as-the-basis-of-privilege/

Bos Mutus
11-09-2015, 11:21 PM
Now I get it............

Another made up phrase which has been adopted by those incapable of original thought. Shoulda' known.

http://theprincetontory.com/main/checking-my-privilege-character-as-the-basis-of-privilege/

Good article.

This part was good:



I am privileged that values like faith and education were passed along to me. My grandparents played an active role in my parents’ education, and some of my earliest memories included learning the Hebrew alphabet with my Dad. It’s been made clear to me that education begins in the home, and the importance of parents’ involvement with their kids’ education—from mathematics to morality—cannot be overstated. It’s not a matter of white or black, male or female or any other division which we seek, but a matter of the values we pass along, the legacy we leave, that perpetuates “privilege.” And there’s nothing wrong with that.

Absinthe Anecdote
11-10-2015, 12:02 AM
Good article.

This part was good:

You only think it was good because your reality has been skewed by your privilege.

Bos Mutus
11-10-2015, 12:14 AM
You only think it was good because your reality has been skewed by your privilege.

Maybe...

I'm sure my reality, opinions, and perceptions are influenced by my unique human experience...some of which is "privileged" over others, I'm sure.

I don't see any way around that, really...what should we do about it? Un-privilege me?

As the author suggests, much of my "privilege" comes about because of conscious decisions made by my grandparents and parents in order to privilege me...what is wrong with that?

Rollyn01
11-10-2015, 12:23 AM
Wow, miss a little miss a lot. Anywho... Rainmaker, when you're done playing a racist troll, you mind getting back to the bunker? Our disappearing rifle has gone missing. I checked all the workers but it seems like they were too high to pull it off. Also, your new annotations for an ICBM pointed at an "unnamed country" on the work order is a bit lacking. Just because I'm a Cav Scout doesn't mean I'm omnipotent, just nigh-omnipotent.

Absinthe Anecdote
11-10-2015, 12:58 AM
Maybe...

I'm sure my reality, opinions, and perceptions are influenced by my unique human experience...some of which is "privileged" over others, I'm sure.

I don't see any way around that, really...what should we do about it? Un-privilege me?

As the author suggests, much of my "privilege" comes about because of conscious decisions made by my grandparents and parents in order to privilege me...what is wrong with that?

That is what makes your privilege so insidious. It makes wrong seem right and right seem wrong.

Yes, I'm afraid we will have to un-privilege the lot of you.

You'll have to go live in a hive like the Borg.

Rusty Jones
11-10-2015, 01:30 AM
Now I get it............

Another made up phrase which has been adopted by those incapable of original thought. Shoulda' known.

http://theprincetontory.com/main/checking-my-privilege-character-as-the-basis-of-privilege/

Ah yes, the other clutch. What's the matter? Couldn't find a way to slip Harris Teeter into this one?

You were unable to successfully deny white privilege, so your next move is to deny the validity of a term that I use because I didn't coin it myself.

Sorry, chump... it doesn't work that way.

TJMAC77SP
11-10-2015, 02:24 AM
Ah yes, the other clutch. What's the matter? Couldn't find a way to slip Harris Teeter into this one?

You were unable to successfully deny white privilege, so your next move is to deny the validity of a term that I use because I didn't coin it myself.

Sorry, chump... it doesn't work that way.

Actually my point was I sincerely had no idea what exactly you were trying to say with "check your white privilege". It sounded like and turns out to be yet another trite catch phrase being adopted by those who have no real original thought to share with anyone.

BTW....did you mean 'the other crutch"? If not I again don't know what you mean by clutch.

Funny though because I often refer to ''crutches' when dealing with people who seek to blame what they perceive as the fault of others for their own failures (or lack of adequate success), real of imagined.

sandsjames
11-12-2015, 04:37 PM
What is the fix for these issues? Insults can be flung around as much as everyone wants, as politicians continue to prove, but how do we fix the problems? We have students who fill out critiques with comments like "that lesson plan sucked" but they never give any constructive criticism. Seems to be the way of the world. How about some suggestions on how to make things better...

garhkal
11-12-2015, 07:22 PM
What is the fix for these issues? Insults can be flung around as much as everyone wants, as politicians continue to prove, but how do we fix the problems? We have students who fill out critiques with comments like "that lesson plan sucked" but they never give any constructive criticism. Seems to be the way of the world. How about some suggestions on how to make things better...

Agreed. One of my Best Senior chiefs always said "Dont come to me with bitches and gripes. Unless you also have fixes or suggestions for improvement".

Rusty Jones
11-12-2015, 07:49 PM
SJ's post just seemed be a general comment, and with garhkal's response... this thread has officially been derailed. Well, no matter... this is last week's news anyway.

But just to address what you said, garhkal, what your Senior Chief was giving you was a rhetoric designed to make you shut the fuck up. I doubt that he's interested in hearing anyone's "solutions." Especially since "this sucks" is typically followed by "it should be like this instead."

sandsjames
11-12-2015, 09:46 PM
SJ's post just seemed be a general comment, and with garhkal's response... this thread has officially been derailed. Well, no matter... this is last week's news anyway.

"Good to know that racism and the KKK are last week's news. Phewww!!!! I thought it was important but if it's been a whole week then we can move on.

Absinthe Anecdote
11-13-2015, 12:36 AM
Good to know that racism and the KKK are last week's news. Phewww!!!! I thought it was important but if it's been a whole week then we can move on.

Anyhoo, welcome back SJ!

MikeKerriii
11-13-2015, 03:28 AM
Agreed. One of my Best Senior chiefs always said "Dont come to me with bitches and gripes. Unless you also have fixes or suggestions for improvement".

That is SNCO for " go away and don't bother me" the mark of a truly bad SNCO. SNCOS are not supposed to get all thier answers from their subordinates. Thinking up answers is much of what the fancy paycheck we get is for.

Rusty Jones
11-13-2015, 01:01 PM
Good to know that racism and the KKK are last week's news. Phewww!!!! I thought it was important but if it's been a whole week then we can move on.

I'm not saying that racism and KKK are last weeks's news. You know me better than that. What I'm saying is that Anonymous' list is last week's news. If you had read a few posts back, you'd have seen where I mentioned that the people who made it on the list already had KKK shit all over their social media pages. Since they never made it a secret that they were in the KKK anyway, who did Anonymous really "unmask?" No one.

So what's left to talk about?

sandsjames
11-13-2015, 06:54 PM
I'm not saying that racism and KKK are last weeks's news. You know me better than that. What I'm saying is that Anonymous' list is last week's news. If you had read a few posts back, you'd have seen where I mentioned that the people who made it on the list already had KKK shit all over their social media pages. Since they never made it a secret that they were in the KKK anyway, who did Anonymous really "unmask?" No one.

So what's left to talk about?

You are right. It's been 6 months, I'm out of practice.

ACME_MAN
11-13-2015, 11:06 PM
Like the Clan is still a big powerhouse. I could think of a lot more other more important things that need to be unveiled.



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Rainmaker
11-14-2015, 11:56 PM
What is the fix for these issues? .

Glad you asked sandsjames.

Now, In case you've been living under a rock (for the last 6 months) and haven't heard yet. DONALD J. TRUMP HAS WON THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION!!!!

Here on the forum Us patriots have been discussing the ways that we're going to Make America Great Again "TM".

So far we've decided on:

1. Banning Gas-Powered Leaf Blowers.
2. Outlawing Crossfit gyms.
3. Jailing anyone caught watching "Keeping Up With the Kardashians" (thanks Unca).

Rainmaker motions that the 4th thing we need to do is to.......STOP PUTTING UP WITH (some) BLACK PEOPLE'S SHIT!!!!

Rainmaker
11-15-2015, 01:30 AM
Like the Clan is still a big powerhouse. I could think of a lot more other more important things that need to be unveiled.


The KKK hasn't been relevant for more than 50 years. These days It's primarily made up of FBI informants informing on one another.

It's about as much of a threat to the public safety as "anonymous".

Most likely it's run by some quasi .gov organization in order to entrap potential criminals and perpetuate the "Racist White America" narrative.

Rainmaker
11-15-2015, 01:54 AM
Wow, miss a little miss a lot. Anywho... Rainmaker, when you're done playing a racist troll, you mind getting back to the bunker? Our disappearing rifle has gone missing. I checked all the workers but it seems like they were too high to pull it off. Also, your new annotations for an ICBM pointed at an "unnamed country" on the work order is a bit lacking. Just because I'm a Cav Scout doesn't mean I'm omnipotent, just nigh-omnipotent.

Rollyn01 been really busy wiff workin the campaign and jockeying for a delegate selection.

It's been pretty much a non-stop party since we won on election day.

Now that it's all over we'll be gettin back to the preps as soon as able.

That is Unless of course Rainmaker get selected to some powerful political position for all the hard work he did getting The Donald "TM" elected as POTUS.

Anyhow, Thanks for holdin it down, I owe ya man. Nomsayin?