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Bos Mutus
10-22-2015, 04:26 PM
In your opinion, which best describes the person in the title.

Rainmaker
10-22-2015, 04:49 PM
In your opinion, which best describes the person in the title.

Bos, When you're talking about Tyson, you really have to look at the man's whole body of work.

Now, Is Tyson is one of the greats? Definitely Yes. But, is he really the greatest of all time? I don't think so.

Under Cus D'Amato ,Tyson's work truly was something to behold. But, After Cus died, it went downhill.

So, yeah I'd put him in the Top 5. But, If Tyson would've stuck with Kevin Rooney (like Cus wanted), instead of going with that gangster Pimp Don King, we probably wouldn't even be having this conversation.

I'm sure Tyson would say the same.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNJ7vwBLKjc

Absinthe Anecdote
10-22-2015, 10:44 PM
In your opinion, which best describes the person in the title.

This is the only bio I found that talks about what he did as a scientist before he became famous and moved over to the educator, fund raiser, and TV personality side of science.

http://www.famousscientists.org/neil-degrasse-tyson/

There are other scientists that do more important work when it comes to discoveries and pushing the envelope of knowledge forward.

That doesn't diminish my high opinion of Neil Degrasse Tyson. I think the books he writes for the public, and the TV shows like Nova and Cosmos do a lot to educate people and make more funding for research available.

MikeKerriii
10-22-2015, 10:54 PM
In your opinion, which best describes the person in the title.

A good scientist and a great public educator

Rainmaker
10-28-2015, 02:18 AM
http://www.famousscientists.org/neil-degrasse-tyson/



Oh you meant THAT Tyson. The black famous scientist, that's a famous scientist because he's black.

Rusty Jones
10-28-2015, 10:19 AM
Oh you meant THAT Tyson. The black famous scientist, that's a famous scientist because he's black.

Ah, yes... the world according to Rainmaker: black man achieves success and is respected by many, it's only because he's black. Otherwise, black people are incapable of such things.

Rainmaker
10-28-2015, 12:01 PM
black man achieves success and is respected by many, it's only because he's black. Otherwise, black people are incapable of such things.

Your words Rusty. not mine.

But, since you brought it up.... Do you think BoS mutas would be throwing up polls, asking our opinion on this political hack, if he was white?

Absinthe Anecdote
10-28-2015, 12:25 PM
Your words Rusty. not mine.

But, since you brought it up.... Do you think BoS mutas would be throwing up polls, asking our opinion on this political hack, if he was white?

He put it up there as bait to see if you would make an ass out of yourself.

You took the bait and said something racist.

No real shocker.

Rainmaker
10-28-2015, 12:32 PM
He put it up there as bait to see if you would make an ass out of yourself.

You took the bait and said something racist.

No real shocker.

If Tyson was white the average person would've never heard of him.

Due to the fact that this was over the line, this part was deleted. You know better, Rainmaker.

Bos Mutus
10-28-2015, 12:47 PM
He put it up there as bait to see if you would make an ass out of yourself.

You took the bait and said something racist.

No real shocker.

I had not actually even considered his race...was more interested in his scientific credentials vs. political leanings.

Rusty Jones
10-28-2015, 12:54 PM
If Tyson was white the average person would've never heard of him.

So is Bill Bye black too?

Rainmaker
10-28-2015, 12:54 PM
I had not actually even considered his race...

puh leeze!

Rainmaker
10-28-2015, 12:56 PM
So is Bill Bye black too?

Bill Nye went to Sidwell friends ( one of the 13 elite private schools).. So he's connected.

Absinthe Anecdote
10-28-2015, 01:00 PM
So is Bill Bye black too?

Or Carl Sagan?

Rusty Jones
10-28-2015, 01:01 PM
Bill Nye went to Sidwell friend ( one of the 13 elite private schools).. So he's connected.

Bill Nye has been a household name for over 20 years now, ever since he had his own television show. The average American has only heard of Tyson within the last five years or so. Seriously, dude. You've got problems.

Rusty Jones
10-28-2015, 01:35 PM
Yes it's transparent. And like good little liberals I'm sure you and BoS mutas will sport wood every time that the black brain surgeon Dr. Carson speaks tonight.

Are you fucking shitting me? Talk about someone getting to where they are because of their race... let's talk about Ben Carson!

I'm not talking about his career as a neurosurgeon. I'm talking about where he currently stands among the GOP candidates.

What we're going to see in the debates is the same thing we saw in the last two: Ben Carson is going to get asked a question that only someone with experience in public office or as a corporate executive can answer, and he's going to use his charisma to answer with some motivational and inspirational sounding bullshit that completely misses the question. Or, he's going to answer the question with "Well, you see, the real question is (insert something that he feels he has a better answer to); and the answer to that is (blah, blah, inspirational sounding bullshit, blah, blah)."

No, Ben, the real question is the one you were asked!

His charisma isn't that hard to see past, and any reasonable person can see that he has no business even being mayor of a small podunk town whose budget is only in the hundreds, let alone President. The people who are captivated by his shitty charisma show exactly why he's doing so well: there are far too many conservatives who want to parade their token black guy around. It especially makes them look good after bashing Obama after eight years, at least they think it does.

Bos Mutus
10-28-2015, 04:24 PM
So is Bill Nye black too?


Or Carl Sagan?

Good comparisons.

As far as I know, while Bill Nye certainly has a scientific background and some credibility as an engineer...but, he is primarily an educator, and without his TV popularity, he's not really a "leading scientist", to my knowledge...his primary contribution has been as an educator of science, which has opened up opportunities for him to sit on advisory boards and such.

Carl Sagan, on the other hand, was a leading scientist who also happened to write books and do TV shows for lay people....but his first gig is as a scientist...his primary contribution has been as a scientist, which has opened doors for him to be on TV and write books.

Tyson, seems to me, to be somewhere in between...though, I'm honestly not read up on his scientific achievements...it seems they are legitimate and credible as a scientist in their own right...but, he's become more well-known, of course, for bringing his astrophysics knowledge to pop culture. I'm not sure if he would be considered a "leading scientist" for his scientific work alone or not...or if he is more of a random scientist who found a niche communicating about science in pop culture.

Absinthe Anecdote
10-29-2015, 05:32 AM
If Tyson was white the average person would've never heard of him.

Due to the fact that this was over the line, this part was deleted. You know better, Rainmaker.

Don't worry Rainmaker, I saw it before it was censored.

Ben doesn't do much for me that way, but Carly Fiorina does!

Grrrr!

Absinthe Anecdote
10-29-2015, 05:44 AM
I had not actually even considered his race...was more interested in his scientific credentials vs. political leanings.

Not sure if I believe you, that seemed like it was specially crafted for Rainmaker to do his Rainmaker thing.

I will admit that Neil Degrasse Tyson bugs me with his politics sometimes. Most recently when he had his Twitter exchange with Edward Snowden.

However, I can listen to him talk about the universe all day long. I think he is good at what he does, and there is a real need for scientists that are charismatic enough to be on TV.

Guys like Tyson are the ones who land funding for research.

Bos Mutus
10-29-2015, 12:54 PM
Not sure if I believe you, that seemed like it was specially crafted for Rainmaker to do his Rainmaker thing.
I mentioned that he was a liberal...not black. I really could give two shits what that guy thinks of anything, and the last thing I'd wanna do on this forum is bait some more bullshit.

Was comparing some of the GOP leaders in the climate change/global warming debate.

Pope: Do something about Global Warming
Boehner:The Pope is no scientist, he should stick to what he knows, he doesn't know what he's talking about.

Tyson: We need to do something about Global Warming
Boehner: I'm no scientist and not qualified to debate the topic, but Obama sucks, so if he proposes something, I need to be against it.

So, okay, neither the Pope nor Boehner are scientists, but Tyson is...then the GOP refuses to debate the issue or will pull out some guy you never heard of to cherry pick data to show how global warming theorists "can't explain that"...it's BS.

Okay, Ben Carson was a wonderful brain surgeon, but he can't explain savants, so let's just disregard what he thinks he knows about the brain...

...was just curious as to the overall perception people have of him and whether or not they respected his scientific chops in this instance or would dismiss him as a just another liberal since his scientific opinion disagrees with their politics


I will admit that Neil Degrasse Tyson bugs me with his politics sometimes. Most recently when he had his Twitter exchange with Edward Snowden

I missed that one...but seems like that wouldn't be a scientific topic, so Tyson's opinion is just another political opinion. I'm more interested in how he influences the debate when politics meet science...


However, I can listen to him talk about the universe all day long. I think he is good at what he does, and there is a real need for scientists that are charismatic enough to be on TV.

I think so. One his favorite moments for me was once he was on The Daily Show and he walks in, looks at Jon Stewart and says, "Hey, your globe is spinning the wrong way."...it still does, I believe.


Guys like Tyson are the ones who land funding for research.

Also recently read an article about the impact of The Big Bang TV show on kids going into STEM...don't recall the details, but the hypothesis was that the show actually made a positive impact on making going into STEM kinda cool.

UncaRastus
10-29-2015, 01:25 PM
Bos,

I think that you meant STEAMpunk. That really isn't something to laugh about. Those guys are the real scientists. And rich, to be able to afford such cool looking duds. All of those scientifimific gadgets being displayed in their housing units really do amaze me.

What I don't understand is why Abby from NCIS not being a steampunk type scientist, though. Sleeps in a coffin? What ever floats her boat, I guess.

Absinthe Anecdote
10-29-2015, 02:41 PM
I mentioned that he was a liberal...not black. I really could give two shits what that guy thinks of anything, and the last thing I'd wanna do on this forum is bait some more bullshit.

I'm just screwing with you, I'm sure you'd never be so childish.

Me?

I would and do lay traps for Rainmaker to charge into.



Was comparing some of the GOP leaders in the climate change/global warming debate.

Pope: Do something about Global Warming
Boehner:The Pope is no scientist, he should stick to what he knows, he doesn't know what he's talking about.

Tyson: We need to do something about Global Warming
Boehner: I'm no scientist and not qualified to debate the topic, but Obama sucks, so if he proposes something, I need to be against it.

So, okay, neither the Pope nor Boehner are scientists, but Tyson is...then the GOP refuses to debate the issue or will pull out some guy you never heard of to cherry pick data to show how global warming theorists "can't explain that"...it's BS.

Okay, Ben Carson was a wonderful brain surgeon, but he can't explain savants, so let's just disregard what he thinks he knows about the brain...

...was just curious as to the overall perception people have of him and whether or not they respected his scientific chops in this instance or would dismiss him as a just another liberal since his scientific opinion disagrees with their politics

That is a pretty good illustration of political rhetoric. I'm tempted to start a thread on climate change, it is something I'd like to have a conversation about, but there are so many moving parts to that topic.

In short, I'm convinced that the climate changes, it is part of a natural process.

Does human activity in the form of CO2 emissions contribute to it? Probably, but I'm unsure to what degree.

Can we stop using fossil fuels? No.

I have serious doubts that any mitigation efforts would be effective at keeping the climate static, they are too many variables involved with what drives oscillations in the climate over long periods.

I think we should face the facts and focus on adaptation to a changing climate.

Mitigation efforts like Al Gore's proposed Cap and Trade legislation are ridiculous.




I missed that one...but seems like that wouldn't be a scientific topic, so Tyson's opinion is just another political opinion. I'm more interested in how he influences the debate when politics meet science...



I think so. One his favorite moments for me was once he was on The Daily Show and he walks in, looks at Jon Stewart and says, "Hey, your globe is spinning the wrong way."...it still does, I believe.



Also recently read an article about the impact of The Big Bang TV show on kids going into STEM...don't recall the details, but the hypothesis was that the show actually made a positive impact on making going into STEM kinda cool.

I think we agree here.

Absinthe Anecdote
10-29-2015, 02:42 PM
Bos,

I think that you meant STEAMpunk. That really isn't something to laugh about. Those guys are the real scientists. And rich, to be able to afford such cool looking duds. All of those scientifimific gadgets being displayed in their housing units really do amaze me.

What I don't understand is why Abby from NCIS not being a steampunk type scientist, though. Sleeps in a coffin? What ever floats her boat, I guess.

How in the hell did an old timer like you learn about Steam Punks?

UncaRastus
10-29-2015, 04:17 PM
I am the Original Steampunk. I don't understand why all of the newer adherents to steam and all of it's wonders are not inviting me to all of their Steamparties, though. One would think that they would respect a guy that had steam blowing out of his ears, while doing my thing as a Drill Instructor.

The origin of the Campaign cover (or hat to non Marines) was in the 1840s, so wearing of such head covering devices fits well into the age of Steamy Goodness.

Kids. What are we going to do with them? Besides steaming them like broccoli, that is. I am getting steamed, at all of those punks.

I do believe that the next time that I am not invited, I will attend anyway, along with my dog Steampup.

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Bos Mutus
12-28-2015, 09:59 PM
http://www.businessinsider.com/what-neil-degrasse-tyson-thinks-about-god-2015-12