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Bos Mutus
08-18-2015, 09:41 PM
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Absinthe Anecdote
08-18-2015, 10:02 PM
Plus, they are getting free electric cars in Denmark to save the polar bears.


http://youtu.be/VdYWSsUarOg

The U.S. should definitely follow Denmark's lead.

Absinthe Anecdote
08-18-2015, 10:22 PM
Here is a video that explains Denmark's happiness.
http://youtu.be/OS46Bzmb_pM

Hey Rainmaker, they don't have super pace in Denmark!

garhkal
08-19-2015, 04:30 AM
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What percentage of their income is paid in taxes, for all those "Freebies'?

TJMAC77SP
08-19-2015, 12:36 PM
What percentage of their income is paid in taxes, for all those "Freebies'?

Garhkal,

I tend to jump to the conclusion that the tax rates are high in countries like Denmark (and they are) but I don't think it is as simple as that. If the tax rates were overly burdensome, they wouldn't be as 'happy'. More accurately the indicators used in this report would show dissatisfaction in these countries.

SomeRandomGuy
08-19-2015, 01:40 PM
What percentage of their income is paid in taxes, for all those "Freebies'?

Really, that's not the important question. The better question is whether or not the services they are provided are worth the cost they pay. Look at it like this. Using round numbers let's compare two people.

U.S. citizen and Denmark citizen both make $1000 per month. U.S. citizen pays 25% of his check in taxes to the government. He gets free K-12, police, fire, and roads.

Denmark citizen pays 50% of his check in taxes to the government. He gets everything the American gets plus he gets free College tuition, childcare, and healthcare.

If the services are any good, the Denmark guy is probably getting the better deal even at 50% taxes. The problem is of course that Government services tend to be corrupt when they don't face competition.

Rainmaker
08-19-2015, 01:57 PM
Here is a video that explains Denmark's happiness.

Hey Rainmaker, they don't have super pace in Denmark!

So now you're posting videos from Russia Today extolling the virtues of Socialism for us? Excellent Vladamir!

I Thought you two Neocons were supposedly afraid Putin was going to be the second coming of Hitler?

Anyway, I agree with some of the points made in this video.

But, don't think Northern European style Socialism would work here (like it does in Denmark). for one thing, All those countries benefit from being under the US security umbrella so, they don't have to pay for that.

They're not crusading all over the world seeking to bring about the battle of Armageddon, in order to be on the right side of the 1000 year reign of the self chosenites, while bankrupting the rest of the Nation in the process.

Secondly, Denmark has a population of less than 6 Million, which is 95% the same race and 98% the same religion, and they don't have a permanent underclass that won't assimilate hanging around their necks like a fucking millstone.

In other words.... they're still acting like an actual sovereign country with borders and a common culture.

Copenhagen's a great town though. Nothing like having Cherry Danishes for Breakfast. NomSayin?

Absinthe Anecdote
08-19-2015, 03:44 PM
So now you're posting videos from Russia Today extolling the virtues of Socialism for us? Excellent Vladamir!

I Thought you two Neocons were supposedly afraid Putin was going to be the second coming of Hitler?

Anyway, I agree with some of the points made in this video.

But, don't think Northern European style Socialism would work here (like it does in Denmark). for one thing, All those countries benefit from being under the US security umbrella so, they don't have to pay for that.

They're not crusading all over the world seeking to bring about the battle of Armageddon, in order to be on the right side of the 1000 year reign of the self chosenites, while bankrupting the rest of the Nation in the process.

Secondly, Denmark has a population of less than 6 Million, which is 95% the same race and 98% the same religion, and they don't have a permanent underclass that won't assimilate hanging around their necks like a fucking millstone.

In other words.... they're still acting like an actual sovereign country with borders and a common culture.

Copenhagen's a great town though. Nothing like having Cherry Danishes for Breakfast. NomSayin?

Why is the fact they are all the same race and religion so important?

I also noticed the line you had in there telling us to go read about the economic miracle that Adolf Hitler orchestrated in the 1930s.

What made you decide to remove that little gem?

TJMAC77SP
08-19-2015, 03:58 PM
Really, that's not the important question. The better question is whether or not the services they are provided are worth the cost they pay. Look at it like this. Using round numbers let's compare two people.

U.S. citizen and Denmark citizen both make $1000 per month. U.S. citizen pays 25% of his check in taxes to the government. He gets free K-12, police, fire, and roads.

Denmark citizen pays 50% of his check in taxes to the government. He gets everything the American gets plus he gets free College tuition, childcare, and healthcare.

If the services are any good, the Denmark guy is probably getting the better deal even at 50% taxes. The problem is of course that Government services tend to be corrupt when they don't face competition.

You seem to be attempting to make a point with actual numbers but you aren't. If you are going to compare tax rates do it with actual income amounts and tax rates.

Rainmaker
08-19-2015, 04:14 PM
Why is the fact they are all the same race and religion so important?

I also noticed the line you had in there telling us to go read about the economic miracle that Adolf Hitler orchestrated in the 1930s.

What made you decide to remove that little gem?

Don't try to turn this around because you've been called out......

so, tell us Absinthe Anecdote.... Why are you putting up Propaganda videos from the Russian Government's state run Broadcasting service?

Absinthe Anecdote
08-19-2015, 04:30 PM
Don't try to turn this around....so, tell us.... Why are you putting up Propaganda videos from the Russian Government's state run Broadcasting service?

Just posting a relevant video to the OP. What do you have against RT? Do you think they are part of your big Jewish conspiracy too?

Anyway, answer my question. Why is racial and religious homogeny relevant to the OP?

Rainmaker
08-19-2015, 04:43 PM
Just posting a relevant video to the OP. What do you have against RT? Do you think they are part of your big Jewish conspiracy too?

I'm just pointing out that Russia Today is a Strategic Organization of the Russian Government. That's all.

Absinthe Anecdote
08-19-2015, 04:54 PM
I'm just pointing out that Russia Today is a Strategic Organization of the Russian Government. That's all.

And you are dodging my question, got it.

Rainmaker
08-19-2015, 04:56 PM
And you are dodging my question, got it.

Maybe next you can post some "informational" videos from the Islamic Republic of Iran's Broadcasting outfit "PRESSTV".... urging us to declare Obama POTUS for life and explaining how we'll all be happier and better off.

Bos Mutus
08-26-2015, 06:14 PM
Hey Rainmaker, they don't have super pacs in Denmark!

I have to admit, the idea of limited, publicly-funded elections if pretty appealing right about now...

The money in our political system is obscene...and the whole concept that "money is speech" is corrupting.

garhkal
08-27-2015, 03:38 AM
I have to admit, the idea of limited, publicly-funded elections if pretty appealing right about now...

The money in our political system is obscene...and the whole concept that "money is speech" is corrupting.

Several years back Robin Williams did a great movie, touching on the subject of tv ads and the richer one is the more air time you get/the more people seem to like you when running for office..
Though that was not the bigger thrust of the film, it did touch on it, and i actually liked him for it.

Bos Mutus
08-27-2015, 04:19 AM
Several years back Robin Williams did a great movie, touching on the subject of tv ads and the richer one is the more air time you get/the more people seem to like you when running for office..
Though that was not the bigger thrust of the film, it did touch on it, and i actually liked him for it.

I would think with social media nowadays and all the cable channels that at some point there would be a law of diminishing returns...but it doesn't appear to be so.

I get it in like Congressional elections...but at the Presidential level, once they get down to a manageable number of candidates, it would seem all would get a somewhat fair shake at exposure...and I don't really get why seeing the same ad 50 times a day instead of 5 times really changes anyone's vote...but I guess it does.

MikeKerriii
08-27-2015, 02:05 PM
What percentage of their income is paid in taxes, for all those "Freebies'?

About a third

TJMAC77SP
08-27-2015, 02:27 PM
About a third

Actually it is progressive with rates of 44.2 percent to 53.9 percent (dependent on income and location).

There is also a 25 percent sales (VAT) tax.

MikeKerriii
08-27-2015, 03:14 PM
Actually it is progressive with rates of 44.2 percent to 53.9 percent (dependent on income and location).

There is also a 25 percent sales (VAT) tax.

Sorry, you are right but the Danes don't seem to mind paying

TJMAC77SP
08-27-2015, 03:27 PM
Sorry, you are right but the Danes don't seem to mind paying

No they don't if you accept the 'happiest country' report. I do by the way but I will balk at it's use in a comparison to the US. The cultures are simply different. Maybe the US would be a better place if they weren't so different but the mere citation of statistics isn't going to remedy the problem.

garhkal
08-27-2015, 08:08 PM
Sorry, you are right but the Danes don't seem to mind paying

Maybe cause they grew up with that level of taxation, and therefore see no other example to go off of.

Bos Mutus
08-27-2015, 08:34 PM
Maybe cause they grew up with that level of taxation, and therefore see no other example to go off of.

On the other hand...maybe you grew up being taught that socialist-type programs of medicine, education, childcare are always about the govt. controlling you and result in economic ruin, so you never really looked at examples..

MikeKerriii
08-27-2015, 08:43 PM
Maybe cause they grew up with that level of taxation, and therefore see no other example to go off of.

American grow up in a nation where "I got mine so screw you', is the prime social ideal but not all of us like that. They have examples of places like that very close at hand to see what the alternatives are like. Hell even Canadians don't seem all that impressed with American society

TJMAC77SP
08-27-2015, 10:44 PM
............ Hell even Canadians don't seem all that impressed with American society

What are you basing this opinion on?

MikeKerriii
08-28-2015, 01:27 AM
What are you basing this opinion on?Growing up with nothing but water between my house and Canada, back when the border was open I made a lot of Canadian friends. Friends I still have. My Australian friends, I was stationed there for a couple of years, do the same but are far less polite about it.

They are also fairly common on boards mocking our old health care system and wondering why we fuss abut silly things like Gay marriage, Healthcare and quite a few other things. Try reading their newspapers, they tend to be more neutral than ours.

garhkal
08-28-2015, 05:23 AM
On the other hand...maybe you grew up being taught that socialist-type programs of medicine, education, childcare are always about the govt. controlling you and result in economic ruin, so you never really looked at examples..

American grow up in a nation where "I got mine so screw you', is the prime social ideal but not all of us like that. They have examples of places like that very close at hand to see what the alternatives are like. Hell even Canadians don't seem all that impressed with American society

From roughly 3 till 16 i lived in the UK, which DID have those types of socialist programs.. And in no way did i feel 'blessed' to have them. Several times while working and getting her arms seen to, my mother got booted BACKWARDS in the waiting roster cause of illegal immigrants or Asylum seekers getting pushed to the head of the line. And we suffered through a lot of taxes being piled on, all to 'pay' for those.
Sorry, but i do NOT in anyway like those sorts of societies. However if you love that way of life BM, perhaps you would be happy moving there.


Growing up with nothing but water between my house and Canada, back when the border was open I made a lot of Canadian friends. Friends I still have. My Australian friends, I was stationed there for a couple of years, do the same but are far less polite about it.

They are also fairly common on boards mocking our old health care system and wondering why we fuss abut silly things like Gay marriage, Healthcare and quite a few other things. Try reading their newspapers, they tend to be more neutral than ours.

Could it possibly be because their school systems are bastions of liberalism, and that is what they are taught? Therefore that's how they grow up thinking?

TJMAC77SP
08-28-2015, 01:05 PM
Growing up with nothing but water between my house and Canada, back when the border was open I made a lot of Canadian friends. Friends I still have. My Australian friends, I was stationed there for a couple of years, do the same but are far less polite about it.

They are also fairly common on boards mocking our old health care system and wondering why we fuss abut silly things like Gay marriage, Healthcare and quite a few other things. Try reading their newspapers, they tend to be more neutral than ours.

So, it is anecdotal 'evidence'. Got it. I have met dozens of Canadian born people who live here and obviously prefer the US. I will say they have one thing they prefer, the healthcare system. That is the narrow part of that system that provides free or very cheap drugs. For treatment they stay right here and get treatment where and when they want it.

Bos Mutus
08-28-2015, 01:08 PM
However if you love that way of life BM, perhaps you would be happy moving there.

Too cold for me.

hustonj
08-28-2015, 03:13 PM
American grow up in a nation where "I got mine so screw you', is the prime social ideal but not all of us like that.

Hunh?

That is NOT the America I grew up in.

Then again, I grew up on base, where performance was supposedly what got people promoted and recognized. I grew up in Indian Guides (YMCA), then the Cub Scouts (BSA), then the Boy Scouts (BSA), and in the band program at school, where everyone is encouraged to get better, to demonstrate that they have learned, to help those around them get better and to worry about how everyone's individual improvements helped improve the group. Then I joined the military, in a support role, where no matter how good I thought of myself being, or how much authority I might acquire, my job was to help other people succeed.

We may both be Americans born and raised, but we aren't from the same country, and we have different expectations of what Americans are supposed to do and be.

Edit: I should note that in every bit of background that I mentioned, personal responsibility and the requirement that the individual must put in the work to improve themselves is an inherent part of the program. Helping other people doesn't mean raising them above a level they can achieve on their own, it means helping them get to the levels they are working to achieve. If you don't want it enough to actively strive for it (as opposed to wishing for it), I'm not going to give it to you.

garhkal
08-28-2015, 08:19 PM
Hunh?

That is NOT the America I grew up in.

Neither did it sound like the American i lived in..

TJMAC77SP
09-11-2015, 02:12 PM
Maybe this is how they stay so happy.......................

http://www.thelocal.se/20150910/why-do-refugees-prefer-sweden-to-denmark

http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2015/sep/10/denmark-closes-road-as-refugees-attempt-to-reach-sweden-by-foot-video

UncaRastus
09-11-2015, 04:20 PM
I have heard from a confidential source that all of the men, and many of the women immigrants, want to meet the Swedish volleyball team, which makes the Danes very happy, for some reason:

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