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Mjölnir
08-18-2015, 04:24 AM
Some interesting numbers in current summary of national polls of likely voters:

Both front runners are down in the last two weeks.

Democratic Nomination:

Clinton 49 (down from 58 2 weeks ago - high of 69)
Sanders 22 (up from 18 2 weeks ago - high of 22)
O'Malley 2 (steady in 2 weeks)
Webb 2 (steady in 2 weeks)
*Biden 18 (47 percent of likely democratic voters thing he should run, 49 do not)
*Gore 10

Quick analysis indicates that as Democratic candidates begin to drop off, many of their supporters are more likely to support Sanders or an undeclared candidate.

Republican Nomination:

Trump 21 (down from 25 2 weeks ago - high of 25)
Bush 10 (down from 10 2 weeks ago - high of 17)
Rubio 6 (steady in two weeks - high of 6)
Kasich 3 (down from 4 2 weeks ago - high of 4)
Fiorina 4 (up from 2 2 weeks ago - high of 4)

Quick analysis indicates that as Republican candidates begin to drop off, many of their supporters are more likely to support Bush or Rubio

Polling indicates if election were this week Clinton beats all Republican candidates, some by a very small margin.

General Election: Trump vs. Clinton Clinton 51, Trump 38 (Clinton +13)
General Election: Bush vs. Clinton Clinton 45, Bush 43 (Clinton +2)
General Election: Rubio vs. Clinton Clinton 45, Rubio 42 (Clinton +3)

Absinthe Anecdote
08-20-2015, 01:27 PM
Just looking at the trend of past primary elections, it is easy to see that the early front runner rarely stays there.

FLAPS, USAF (ret)
08-20-2015, 03:42 PM
Just looking at the trend of past primary elections, it is easy to see that the early front runner rarely stays there.

You're right. That said, I still put my money on Hillary because the "takers" far outnumber the "makers" and they also don't educate themselves on the issues. All Hillary has to do is keep promising "equality and equal pay for all."

Don't worry fellow Conservatives, even though we'll lose, we can all still boast about how close we came to beating her. Yeah, she's President, but almost half the country hates her...so take that DEMS!

President Cankles

Mjölnir
08-20-2015, 03:45 PM
Just looking at the trend of past primary elections, it is easy to see that the early front runner rarely stays there.

Yeah, that is almost always the rule.

However, unless Biden gets in fast I don't see anyone upsetting Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination.

Mjölnir
08-20-2015, 03:46 PM
You're right. That said, I still put my money on Hillary because the "takers" far outnumber the "makers" and they also don't educate themselves on the issues. All Hillary has to do is keep promising "equality and equal pay for all."

President Cankles.

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/da/da90a19d91bb7bf596a068f76a520104b1c795b8d655686113 828633c88ec837.jpg

Absinthe Anecdote
08-20-2015, 04:04 PM
Yeah, that is almost always the rule.

However, unless Biden gets in fast I don't see anyone upsetting Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination.

Some of the political analysts on CNN's, State of th Union, think he could wait until as late as December to get in the race.

I was listening to NPR yesterday and there are rumblings and leaks from Obama's staff that he has been trying to get Elizabeth Warren to run.

Apparently Obama doesn't want to endorse Hillary.

I don't know how much Obama's endorsement means in the grand scheme of things, but I think it has some impact on the primaries.

Absinthe Anecdote
08-20-2015, 04:13 PM
You're right. That said, I still put my money on Hillary because the "takers" far outnumber the "makers" and they also don't educate themselves on the issues. All Hillary has to do is keep promising "equality and equal pay for all."

Don't worry fellow Conservatives, even though we'll lose, we can all still boast about how close we came to beating her. Yeah, she's President, but almost half the country hates her...so take that DEMS!

President Cankles

What is a "taker" and how many of them are there? I'm not sure if I've met one before. Are they easy to identify?

Mjölnir
08-20-2015, 04:21 PM
Some of the political analysts on CNN's, State of th Union, think he could wait until as late as December to get in the race.

He could, right now the Iowa caucuses are 01 February, so there is not a lot of time to get a national campaign rolling. Not that missing Iowa will 'break' his chances ... usually a good showing in Iowa gets fundraising money going ... a poor showing in Iowa for the outlying candidates usually sees what fundraising they had dry up. Biden likely won't have that problem -- he is nationally recognized and has a decent campaign fund to start with.


I was listening to NPR yesterday and there are rumblings and leaks from Obama's staff that he has been trying to get Elizabeth Warren to run.

Apparently Obama doesn't want to endorse Hillary.

I have heard the same thing from many of my Democrat friends.


I don't know how much Obama's endorsement means in the grand scheme of things, but I think it has some impact on the primaries.

Honestly little since they both enjoy wide support from the base. If she was a non-traditional candidate not liked by the far left (also his largest support base) then it would mean more.

garhkal
08-20-2015, 05:10 PM
Yeah, that is almost always the rule.

However, unless Biden gets in fast I don't see anyone upsetting Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination.

What about sanders.

Mjölnir
08-20-2015, 05:17 PM
What about sanders.

I see him doing well up to a point, but as the primaries go on if he cannot get past Clinton's numbers his fundraising will dry up. No money ... no campaign.

Early primaries favor his base, as time goes on big states, with lots of delegates is not where he is doing to well at the moment.

MikeKerriii
08-21-2015, 04:34 PM
You're right. That said, I still put my money on Hillary because the "takers" far outnumber the "makers" and they also don't educate themselves on the issues. All Hillary has to do is keep promising "equality and equal pay for all."

Don't worry fellow Conservatives, even though we'll lose, we can all still boast about how close we came to beating her. Yeah, she's President, but almost half the country hates her...so take that DEMS!

President Cankles Do you have any real evidence that Democrats are less educated about the issues than Republicans?

MikeKerriii
08-21-2015, 04:37 PM
What is a "taker" and how many of them are there? I'm not sure if I've met one before. Are they easy to identify?

I don't know who exactly they are, but if you look at federal spending and taxes paid, they seem to be concentrated mostly in red states.

Bos Mutus
08-21-2015, 05:27 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NbKlIjDGoI

Absinthe Anecdote
08-21-2015, 05:36 PM
Do you have any real evidence that Democrats are less educated about the issues than Republicans?

Ok, I'll allow you to ask questions like this of republicans. As long as you don't try to explain liberal policy, you'll stay out of trouble with me.

You haven't developed your expository writing skills enough to speak for the cause.

Stick with making them back up their claims and making snarky one-liners.

MikeKerriii
08-21-2015, 05:56 PM
Ok, I'll allow you to ask questions like this of republicans. As long as you don't try to explain liberal policy, you'll stay out of trouble with me.

You haven't developed your expository writing skills enough to speak for the cause.

Stick with making them back up their claims and making snarky one-liners. Trolling and harassment , such as you are doing , violate board policy.

Absinthe Anecdote
08-21-2015, 06:30 PM
Trolling and harassment , such as you are doing , violate board policy.

Watch your tone mister. I'm a pretty big deal around here and I have a long memory. Tread lightly.

Max Power
08-21-2015, 09:10 PM
Trolling and harassment , such as you are doing , violate board policy.

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/37035392.jpg

Rainmaker
08-21-2015, 09:12 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NbKlIjDGoI

Deez Nuts 2016!!!

Bos Mutus
08-21-2015, 09:39 PM
Deez Nuts 2016!!!

Got my vote.

Who would love to see Deez Nuts in the White House?

Absinthe Anecdote
08-21-2015, 09:58 PM
Got my vote.

Who would love to see Deez Nuts in the White House?

I'd rather see him as someone's VP because of the bumper stickers. Question is, who would have the best bumper sticker?

Trump-Deez Nuts

Bush-Deez Nuts

Huckabee-Deez Nuts

Hillary-Deez Nuts

I can't decide?

Biden-Deez Nuts [cool if said really fast]

Bos Mutus
08-21-2015, 10:06 PM
I'd rather see him as someone's VP because of the bumper stickers. Question is, who would have the best bumper sticker?

Trump-Deez Nuts

Bush-Deez Nuts

Huckabee-Deez Nuts

Hillary-Deez Nuts

I can't decide?

Biden-Deez Nuts [cool if said really fast]

LOL...Biden is great...

Deez Nuts-Trump

Gore-Deez Nuts

Cruz-Deez Nuts

Deez Nuts-Cruz

Absinthe Anecdote
08-21-2015, 10:21 PM
LOL...Biden is great...

Deez Nuts-Trump

Gore-Deez Nuts

Cruz-Deez Nuts

Deez Nuts-Cruz

Gore-Deez Nuts (scary)

Cruz-Deez Nuts (sounds Love Boatish)

Sanders-Deez Nuts (A new snack at KFC?)

Bos Mutus
08-21-2015, 10:43 PM
Gore-Deez Nuts (scary)

Cruz-Deez Nuts (sounds Love Boatish)

Sanders-Deez Nuts (A new snack at KFC?)

Maybe he can get the Speaker of the House to run with him...

I could support Deez Nutz with a Boehner...

Lois Capps isn't seeking reelection...could we have a Capp-Deez Nuts ticket in the making?

SeaLawyer
03-07-2016, 12:53 PM
Here's what I don't understand: How is it that Hillary Clinton can commit crimes worse than Richard Nixon did yet not be held accountable and still have the dumbfounding support of so many people???

sandsjames
03-07-2016, 02:58 PM
Here's what I don't understand: How is it that Hillary Clinton can commit crimes worse than Richard Nixon did yet not be held accountable and still have the dumbfounding support of so many people???

One, the investigation is still ongoing as to whether she broke laws or not. Two, people just don't give a shit. They don't find it important. Look at all the support Trump gets, even after having zero policy, after running a fraudulent "university", and after, basically, just being him. People don't give a shit about any of that stuff. The only people who care are the political insiders.

I've said many times before...the large majority of people don't pay attention to that shit. Hard to believe, I know, but most people don't research anything other than the bumper stickers and the T.V. ads. Most people don't even watch the Sunday morning shows.

SeaLawyer
03-08-2016, 12:44 PM
I concur Sandsjames! It just stinks how many people have no idea regarding the dynamics of politics! There are many people out there that would make a great President; however--and as we all know--it's a matter of wealth and PACs that drive our elections these days.

SeaLawyer
03-08-2016, 12:46 PM
Gore-Deez Nuts (scary)

Cruz-Deez Nuts (sounds Love Boatish)

Sanders-Deez Nuts (A new snack at KFC?)

Hilla-Deez Nuts

Bernie-Deez Nuts... No wait! Don't do that. I won't have any reason to wake up in the morning!

SeaLawyer
03-08-2016, 12:47 PM
Awesome Bos Motus!!!

Rainmaker
03-08-2016, 04:25 PM
General Mike Flynn (Former J2 at CENTCOM, JSOC, and ISAF/USFOR-A ) Still leading.....maybe some more will come off the sidelines and start speaking out.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/12/politics/hillary-clinton-michael-flynn-email-fbi-investigation/

"If it were me, I would have been out the door and probably in jail," said Flynn, who decried what he said was a "lack of accountability, frankly, in a person who should have been much more responsible in her actions as the secretary of state of the United States of America."

Mjölnir
05-26-2016, 12:40 PM
For the first time, RealClearPolitics which averages major polls shows Trump ahead of Clinton (within the margin of error):


Poll //Date //Sample Size//MoE //Trump(R)//Clinton(D)//Spread

RCP Average 5/13-5/19 -- -- 43.4 43.2 Trump +0.2

ABC News/Wash Post 5/16-5/19 829 RV 3.5 46 44 Trump +2

NBC News/WSJ 5/15-5/19 1000 RV 3.1 43 46 Clinton +3

Rasmussen Reports 5/17-5/18 1000 LV 3.0 42 37 Trump +5

FOX News 5/14-5/17 1021 RV 3.0 45 42 Trump +3

CBS News/NY Times 5/13-5/17 1109 RV 3.0 41 47 Clinton +6

Rusty Jones
05-26-2016, 01:06 PM
This is exactly why conservatives in the remaining state primaries who won't be voting for Trump and don't want Clinton in the White House either need to get out and vote for Bernie Sanders in the primaries. Trump is the only person left in the GOP primary, so they may as well vote on the other side. That's only way both those clowns will be kept out of the White House.

sandsjames
05-26-2016, 01:09 PM
This is exactly why conservatives in the remaining state primaries who won't be voting for Trump and don't want Clinton in the White House either need to get out and vote for Bernie Sanders in the primaries. Trump is the only person left in the GOP primary, so they may as well vote on the other side. That's only way both those clowns will be kept out of the White House.

Don't you have to be a registered democrat to do that?

Rusty Jones
05-26-2016, 01:11 PM
Don't you have to be a registered democrat to do that?

Only in closed primary states. Even then, there's still time to switch in some of those states.

sandsjames
05-26-2016, 01:37 PM
Only in closed primary states. Even then, there's still time to switch in some of those states.

Are you only allowed to vote in one primary, or could I vote for both Republican and Democrat if it's an open primary state?

Rusty Jones
05-26-2016, 01:40 PM
Are you only allowed to vote in one primary, or could I vote for both Republican and Democrat if it's an open primary state?

You can only vote in one.

Mjölnir
05-26-2016, 02:06 PM
This is exactly why conservatives in the remaining state primaries who won't be voting for Trump and don't want Clinton in the White House either need to get out and vote for Bernie Sanders in the primaries. Trump is the only person left in the GOP primary, so they may as well vote on the other side. That's only way both those clowns will be kept out of the White House.

I get what you are saying but I don't know if conservatives could really throw their support behind Bernie Sanders. At this point I don't think he will be on the ballot in November, leaving the two major choices to be Trump or Clinton; the viability of an electable third part candidate is diminishing quickly. I have heard many people make the point that Clinton is more 'conservative' than Trump on many issues. A few things I am interested in watching over the summer:

1. Will Sanders' supports migrate to Clinton?
2. Will Sanders endorse Clinton?
3. Will the GOP get behind Trump?
4. Will there be a viable third party candidate?
5. How the current investigation(s) into Clinton effect her candidacy / polling.
6. How much of an issue will Bill Clinton become
a. pros: prior President, good economy during his term etc.
b. cons: she running as a women's rights advocate and he having so much sexual misconduct 'baggage'.
7. How / will Trump's previous statements on issues effect him as he moves to get wider support?

Rusty Jones
05-26-2016, 02:15 PM
I get what you are saying but I don't know if conservatives could really throw their support behind Bernie Sanders.

Well, technically, they wouldn't be voting "for" Sanders. They'd simply be voting "against" Trump and Clinton.

Rainmaker
05-26-2016, 02:43 PM
Well, technically, they wouldn't be voting "for" Sanders. They'd simply be voting "against" Trump and Clinton.

I'd love to see Sanders drive a wooden stake through this witch's heart. But, the fix has been in for the dems from day 1.

& I can't see Rino whites over about 30 voting for a geriatric socialist New York Jew that runs around on the white privilege apology tour & sits there like a dolt while the blacktivist whiners snatch the Mic out of his hand & cuckold him in front of his hipster disciples at his own rally.

sandsjames
05-26-2016, 03:35 PM
I'd love to see Sanders drive a wooden stake through this witch's heart. But, the fix has been in for the dems from day 1.

& I can't see Rino whites over about 30 voting for a geriatric socialist New York Jew that runs around on the white privilege apology tour & sits there like a dolt while the blacktivist whiners snatch the Mic out of his hand & cuckold him in front of his hipster disciples at his own rally.

Let me translate for the rest of the forum users:

"Blah blah blah BUZZWORD...blah Blah BUZZWORD...Yada yada yada blah blah BUZZWORD."

It's almost like you pick every 3rd word from random headlines and throw them into some semi-organized paragraph.

USN - Retired
05-26-2016, 05:32 PM
Let me translate for the rest of the forum users:

"Blah blah blah BUZZWORD...blah Blah BUZZWORD...Yada yada yada blah blah BUZZWORD."

It's almost like you pick every 3rd word from random headlines and throw them into some semi-organized paragraph.

Are you still enjoying your life on Hillary's reservation for men?

USN - Retired
05-26-2016, 05:59 PM
I'd love to see Sanders drive a wooden stake through this witch's heart. But, the fix has been in for the dems from day 1.

& I can't see Rino whites over about 30 voting for a geriatric socialist New York Jew that runs around on the white privilege apology tour & sits there like a dolt while the blacktivist whiners snatch the Mic out of his hand & cuckold him in front of his hipster disciples at his own rally.

Gary Johnson is still an option. I heard that he is at 10% in the polls. I know that you are not wild about him, but he does have two things going for him: (1) he is not Hillary Clinton and (2) he is not Donald Trump.

http://www.aol.com/article/2016/05/26/america-is-about-to-have-a-3rd-party-nominee-gary-johnson/21384074/

USN - Retired
05-26-2016, 06:12 PM
& sits there like a dolt while the blacktivist whiners snatch the Mic out of his hand & cuckold him in front of his hipster disciples at his own rally.

I'm not a supporter of Donald Trump, but I do like how he handles the protesters...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvbK333XUwI

garhkal
05-26-2016, 07:08 PM
I'm not a supporter of Donald Trump, but I do like how he handles the protesters...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvbK333XUwI

So do i. Frankly while i understand WHY people protest, i can't STAND those who riot as part OF their protesting, trying to clamp down on other people's freedom of speech.

Rusty Jones
05-26-2016, 07:13 PM
"Peaceful protesters" can be ignored until they go away. "Rioters" know this.

sandsjames
05-26-2016, 07:53 PM
Are you still enjoying your life on Hillary's reservation for men?

More than I'm enjoying my life inside Trump's wall.

USN - Retired
05-26-2016, 08:02 PM
More than I'm enjoying my life inside Trump's wall.

Don't worry about that wall. I'll buy you a one way plane ticket to Mexico.

sandsjames
05-26-2016, 08:06 PM
Don't worry about that wall. I'll buy you a one way plane ticket to Mexico.


That's ok...I'll stay right where I am and watch either the status quo (with Hillary) or the complete embarrassment (with Trump) over the next 4 years until we end up with more millennials of voting age who can elect a socialist.

What cracks me up about wackos like you is that you are treating Trump just as the Libtards were treating Obama...like he's the savior...Haven't you guys learned yet that they are all the same and the more they tell you they are "outsiders" the less you should believe it?

USN - Retired
05-26-2016, 08:16 PM
What cracks me up about wackos like you is that you are treating Trump just as the Libtards were treating Obama...like he's the savior...

Go back and look at posts #41 and #42 of this thread.

sandsjames
05-26-2016, 08:26 PM
Go back and look at posts #41 and #42 of this thread.

Not sure what your point is...that you aren't a Trump supporter? Johnson is Trump...he calls himself a Republican when it suits him...then changes his tune to maintain the appearance of being an "outsider" by hopping on the libertarian bandwagon to get the votes of the kids who dislike the 2 party system just for the sake of it?

I'll say it again, even though it falls on deaf ears. They are all the same. Every single one of them. They are all running the long con, with some being better at it then others. Put your trust in any of them an you're a fool. In your case, a vote for Johnson is a vote for Hillary.

sandsjames
05-26-2016, 09:17 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/26/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-attacks/index.html

"Clinton finds her voice..."? Does this seem odd to anyone else. Would this statement ever be made about a man? Do you think CNN intentionally meant to go with a headline that makes it so clear that everyone views Hillary as weak because she's a female?

A presidential candidate, especially one this far into the campaign, shouldn't have to "find her voice". She should have a voice. She should be able to garner respect from those she's speaking with. She (or he, if that was the case) shouldn't be someone who gets applauded for "standing up to the bully". She should be the one able to intimidate when necessary. It's an embarrassment.

Rainmaker
05-26-2016, 09:42 PM
Let me translate for the rest of the forum users:

"Blah blah blah BUZZWORD...blah Blah BUZZWORD...Yada yada yada blah blah BUZZWORD."


Thanks for the constructive criticism Sandsjames. But, as a rule Rainmaker generally tries to not mince words. So let him distill his previous post down even further (to its basic level) and we'll see if your feeble little mind can now comprehend....

Conservative White Republicans are not very likely to be voting for an old socialist jew that still blames "whitey" for the piss poor state of our national affairs.....

Now, I figured my original post would've been pretty easy for the average person to grasp.

But, apparently not. So, please clarify which words you consider to be "buzzwords" (or too difficult for the other forum users to be able to understand)?

sandsjames
05-26-2016, 10:29 PM
Thanks for the constructive criticism Sandsjames. But, as a rule Rainmaker generally tries to not mince words. So let him distill his previous post down even further (to its basic level) and we'll see if your feeble little mind can now comprehend....

Conservative White Republicans are not very likely to be voting for an old socialist jew that still blames "whitey" for the piss poor state of our national affairs.....

Yes...much better...coherent and far less tin-foil hat.

garhkal
05-26-2016, 11:22 PM
That's ok...I'll stay right where I am and watch either the status quo (with Hillary) or the complete embarrassment (with Trump) over the next 4 years until we end up with more millennials of voting age who can elect a socialist.


So you would rather the continuing ruination of our nation under the Shill or a socialist, rather than see what good MIGHT come from Trump being in power?

Rainmaker
05-26-2016, 11:30 PM
Yes...much better...coherent and far less tin-foil hat.

If you consider that to be "tin foil hat" stuff, then you might be better off just sticking with dicussing the more complex issues like cartoons and gay comic book characters.

Rainmaker
05-26-2016, 11:52 PM
So you would rather the continuing ruination of our nation under the Shill or a socialist, rather than see what good MIGHT come from Trump being in power?

What else would you expect? This guy's likely never received a paycheck that didn't come from the US Treasury department and he thinks WIC is "awesome".

So why wouldn't he want to keep sucking on Hillary's big government titties?

Rusty Jones
05-27-2016, 04:53 AM
What else would you expect? This guy's likely never received a paycheck that didn't come from the US Treasury department and he thinks WIC is "awesome".

So why wouldn't he want to keep sucking on Hillary's big government titties?

Ironic that anyone who is retired military - and who has sons on active duty - would say such a thing.

sandsjames
05-27-2016, 12:56 PM
So you would rather the continuing ruination of our nation under the Shill or a socialist, rather than see what good MIGHT come from Trump being in power?No...I'm saying that all the options suck really, really bad.

I haven't made a decision yet. I could vote for Hillary, give it 4 years of same-same and then hope for a good candidate, basically wasting 4 years...or I could vote for Trump and roll the dice...where it will either be a big success or a big failure.

We'll see what happens when the time comes around.

sandsjames
05-27-2016, 12:58 PM
If you consider that to be "tin foil hat" stuff, then you might be better off just sticking with dicussing the more complex issues like cartoons and gay comic book characters.

What you may find interesting is that people can have more than one interest. You should try it. It makes one's life a little fuller. You know, I also like to play golf, mow my lawn, and hang out in my bar at home.

I guess I could make my one and only focus politics, as if my opinions are going to make a difference in the long run...but that doesn't really appeal to me. It's fun as a part time thing, but I have a feeling that, for you, it's the only thing. It's kinda sad, really.

sandsjames
05-27-2016, 01:01 PM
What else would you expect? This guy's likely never received a paycheck that didn't come from the US Treasury department and he thinks WIC is "awesome". What's your point? You now have something against people who serve in the military or continue to work for the military when their enlistment is done? Interesting. Oh...and WIC is awesome. It's the closest this country has to a well ran social assistance program.


So why wouldn't he want to keep sucking on Hillary's big government titties?Whether it's hers or Trumps, it's all the same titties.

sandsjames
05-27-2016, 01:02 PM
Ironic that anyone who is retired military - and who has sons on active duty - would say such a thing.It's crazy, isn't it. I don't get his logic on this one.

Rusty Jones
05-27-2016, 01:07 PM
That's ok...I'll stay right where I am and watch either the status quo (with Hillary) or the complete embarrassment (with Trump) over the next 4 years until we end up with more millennials of voting age who can elect a socialist.

What cracks me up about wackos like you is that you are treating Trump just as the Libtards were treating Obama...like he's the savior...Haven't you guys learned yet that they are all the same and the more they tell you they are "outsiders" the less you should believe it?

Well... here's the thing about that: with the way the economy went to shit under Bush, Obama was thought of as "the savior," because it was thought that a Democratic president would bring the economy back to the way it was during the Clinton years.

Well... the thing about that... the "Great Recession" is over, and the economy is growing. Has been for years now. Of course, tell that to the average American; and the response will be "yeah, right." Everything about our economy only looks good on paper, because the majority of Americans aren't benefitting from the economic growth. All the new wealth being generated in this country is going to the .001% (or, the one percent of the one percent).

Something needs to be done about that, but to the non-socialist Democrat or Republican, doing something about it would be unethical. That's where Bernie Sanders comes in.

Rainmaker
05-27-2016, 01:11 PM
Ironic that anyone who is retired military - and who has sons on active duty - would say such a thing.

It's a given that civil servants are resistant to change and don't like risk taking.

Most private sector workers think the economy is fucked up. But, most civil servants still think everything is awesome.

So, why wouldn't Sandsjames vote for Hillary? She's basically just another neocon.

sandsjames
05-27-2016, 01:26 PM
Well... here's the thing about that: with the way the economy went to shit under Bush, Obama was thought of as "the savior," because it was thought that a Democratic president would bring the economy back to the way it was during the Clinton years.

Well... the thing about that... the "Great Recession" is over, and the economy is growing. Has been for years now. Of course, tell that to the average American; and the response will be "yeah, right." Everything about our economy only looks good on paper, because the majority of Americans aren't benefitting from the economic growth. All the new wealth being generated in this country is going to the .001% (or, the one percent of the one percent).

Something needs to be done about that, but to the non-socialist Democrat or Republican, doing something about it would be unethical. That's where Bernie Sanders comes in.

The problem with Sanders is that he is unable to show how he could possibly pay for everything he's talking about doing.

sandsjames
05-27-2016, 01:29 PM
It's a given that civil servants are resistant to change and don't like risk taking. So you recommend everyone do a 4 year enlistment and get out, moving in to the private sector? Is that the only path to meet your definition of success?


Most private sector workers think the economy is fucked up. But, most civil servants still think everything is awesome. To translate, civil servants live comfortably, so they should give that up so they can struggle.


So, why wouldn't Sandsjames vote for Hillary? She's basically just another neocon.She's more conservative than Trump will ever be. I still don't know one thing he's going to do to "fix" anything. He has yet to enlighten us on that. Wait...he's going to build a wall and ban Muslims...well...until he backs off of those things more, saying it's just a suggestion...and then he'll become even more liberal as the campaign continues.

Rusty Jones
05-27-2016, 01:43 PM
The problem with Sanders is that he is unable to show how he could possibly pay for everything he's talking about doing.

Well, he brought up the trillions we spent on the war in Iraq and Afghanistan over the past 15 years that he was against... that same amount of money would have covered what he's pushing for over the last 15 years. Plus, he mentioned the tax on Wall Street speculation - fifty cents for every $100 in value, and that would cover the free college alone.

Me personally? I prefer a multi-tiered minimum wage based on employer requirements for degrees, so as to reduce the demand for degrees by both employers and the workforce; but I know that no one has the balls to push for that.

"How is he going to pay for that" is similar to "what has Obama done." It's a rhetorical question that gets answered all the time, but goes in one ear and out the other; or is simply asked in hopes that the person being asked is unable to answer it.

Rainmaker
05-27-2016, 01:53 PM
Gary Johnson is still an option. I heard that he is at 10% in the polls

Maybe in 2024 I will. But, not until we restore National sovereignty. because it's impossible to have local control of our affairs without National sovereignty. Our borders have been overrun and foreign interests control our country and loot our treasury. The courts are bought off by the same.

For all intents and purposes, We are living in a post constitution empire now and the legislature won't (truly) oppose the executive. And there's only one way left to fix it. To restore National Sovereignty we need a Caesar. So, Hail Trump!

Rainmaker
05-27-2016, 03:51 PM
So you recommend everyone do a 4 year enlistment and get out, moving in to the private sector?

I recommend that people do whatever it is that they want to do.

As Rusty pointed out, I served on active duty for 23 years and worked another 2 1/2 as GS-13 (1101). My point is that when you're looking out from a govey point of view (where there's no accountability and job advancement and security is based primarily on tenure and not merit) then all private sector jobs look unclear and risky. Therefore, I would tend to think they'd mostly want to vote the Status quo (which means voting for Hillary).

It's not clear why you're so butt hurt about my comment to garkahl. When you basically said the same thing?



Is that the only path to meet your definition of success?

Rainmaker's personal definition of "success" is a man taking care of his family, being a good citizen and ending up ahead of where he started in life. Everything else is just personal preference of how to do it.

Some people are willing to trade freedom for security and some aren't.



To translate, civil servants live comfortably, so they should give that up so they can struggle.

What I wrote can stand on its own and shouldn't really require any further "translation".

Sometimes I may obscure a meaning because it rouses the faculties to act. However, you don't really have enough reading comprehension and skills of discernment to be able to read between the lines yet (so don't hurt yourself trying to figure it out).

The fact is that 66% of all the tax revenue collected in this country doesn't even go to infrastructure or goods and services or to the National defense, It gets Transferred to Other people! That's a millstone around the neck of the productive economy.



She's more conservative than Trump will ever be.

Possibly. But, at this point in time I don't really give 2 shits about whether a President is a "conservative" or "liberal". What I give a shit about is our elected government representatives putting National interests ahead of Transnational interests. Personally I think Trump does that.



Still don't know one thing he's going to do to "fix" anything. He has yet to enlighten us on that.

He has plenty. Now, whether you agree with his plans or not is another matter. But, if you don't know by now, then it's because you are either too lazy to do your own research or you still think CNN is a legitimate source of objective journalism. So, you have to rely on the "reporters" like Anderson Vanderbilt (cough cough) Cooper to tell you what to think and just discount everything else as being "tin foil hat" stuff.

Rainmaker
05-27-2016, 04:44 PM
What you may find interesting is that people can have more than one interest. You should try it. It makes one's life a little fuller.

Thanks for asking Sandsjames. Rainmaker's already taken.

And You're right. When I'm not working in Farm Brokerage or selling coastal properties or drinking beer with Beautiful Teutonic Blonde Babes......Then my main interest lies in preparing myself physically, mentally and spiritually to wage war in the coming medieval style struggle for the survival of Western Civilization that I was born to fight and die in.

But, until that great day comes. I'll have to just settle with trolling the internet and combatting the active Disinformation campaign being waged against us by the Bolshevik cocksuckers and their jealous useful idiot lackeys that would love nothing more than to destroy our glorious culture and way of life forever. Nomsayin?

garhkal
05-27-2016, 06:59 PM
No...I'm saying that all the options suck really, really bad.

I haven't made a decision yet. I could vote for Hillary, give it 4 years of same-same and then hope for a good candidate, basically wasting 4 years...or I could vote for Trump and roll the dice...where it will either be a big success or a big failure.

We'll see what happens when the time comes around.

In a way i agree. We don't have good options this time around. BUT i would rather take a risk on Trump, than go with the almost certain ruination the Shill would bring.


Maybe in 2024 I will. But, not until we restore National sovereignty. because it's impossible to have local control of our affairs without National sovereignty. Our borders have been overrun and foreign interests control our country and loot our treasury. The courts are bought off by the same.

Now this i agree with rain.. We have lost control over our borders...


The fact is that 66% of all the tax revenue collected in this country doesn't even go to infrastructure or goods and services or to the National defense, It gets Transferred to Other people! That's a millstone around the neck of the productive economy.

And to me a worse part, is we have so damn many tax laws, that if you had a book shelf of all the tax laws on one side of wall, and had a complete encyclopedia britannica on the other wall, i can EASILY see the tax law wall being 3-4 TIMES the size of the encyclopedia..


Possibly. But, at this point in time I don't really give 2 shits about whether a President is a "conservative" or "liberal". What I give a shit about is our elected government representatives putting National interests ahead of Transnational interests. Personally I think Trump does that.

Especially when you see how many republicans act almost AS democrats, there is not much difference between the two anymore (well IMO).

Bos Mutus
08-04-2016, 07:42 AM
Sixty-one percent of voters think Hillary Clinton is dishonest, yet she’s opened up a big lead over Donald Trump in the latest Fox News Poll.
Here’s why: majorities think Clinton is nevertheless qualified to be president, and has the temperament and knowledge to serve effectively. It’s the opposite for Trump: over half feel he is not qualified, and lacks the temperament or knowledge to lead the country. And his 62 percent dishonesty rating tops hers.
After the conventions, the Clinton-Kaine ticket leads the Trump-Pence ticket by 10 points (49-39 percent) in the race for the White House. Clinton’s advantage is outside the poll’s margin of error. A month ago, Clinton was up by six points (44-38 percent, June 26-28).

Post-conventions Fox News poll...here's where we're at.

Not sure if this poll included Gary Johnson or not...think he's around 12 or 13%...trying to get to 15% to be included in the debates...seeing a couple of Republicans jumping to Libertarian party, I think...

Rainmaker
08-04-2016, 03:46 PM
Post-conventions Fox News poll...here's where we're at.



Rigged.

http://downtrend.com/donn-marten/trump-leading-in-polls-no-problem-reuters-adjusts-polling-methodology

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GamR4y_ykA0


http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2011/09/30/researchers-hack-voting-machine-for-26.html

MikeKerriii
08-04-2016, 04:32 PM
Rigged.

http://downtrend.com/donn-marten/trump-leading-in-polls-no-problem-reuters-adjusts-polling-methodology

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GamR4y_ykA0


http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2011/09/30/researchers-hack-voting-machine-for-26.html

That idiocy worked so well last time didn't it? Trumps fans are making excuses for his loss before it even happens.

Bos Mutus
08-04-2016, 04:34 PM
Rigged.

http://downtrend.com/donn-marten/trump-leading-in-polls-no-problem-reuters-adjusts-polling-methodology

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GamR4y_ykA0


http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2011/09/30/researchers-hack-voting-machine-for-26.html

Your sources do not support your hypothesis.

Reuters changed their methodology at one point to remove "Neither" from "Neither/Other"...therefore the Fox News poll is rigged.

Fail.

In 2011, some people were able to hack voting machines...therefore the 2016 Fox News poll is rigged.

Fail.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irrelevant

I'm not saying Fox News did or did not commit some shenanagins to make it look like Hillary is leading by more than she is....but, your links don't support that they did. Since when does Fox News want to make Hillary look stronger anyway?

Rainmaker
08-04-2016, 05:43 PM
Fail.

In 2011, some people were able to hack voting machines...therefore the 2016 Fox News poll is rigged.


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irrelevant




Thanks for the Definition. That's Cute. Here's another definition....


collusion
Simple Definition of collusion
1 : secret cooperation for an illegal or dishonest purpose
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/collusion




Since when does Fox News want to make Hillary look stronger anyway?

motive
Simple Definition of motive
1. a reason for doing something
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/motive

Hillary is OWNED by the Money changers.

Simple to remember....

RUPERT MURDOCH, Owner Fox TV, New York Post, London Times, News of the World

http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/jews-in-the-media-hollywood/


SEE BOS? Words are Fun...... Because as some of us sheeple Know..... Words mean things.....

https://www.google.com/#q=john+1:1

Bos Mutus
08-04-2016, 05:54 PM
Thanks for the Definition. That's Cute. Here's another definition....


collusion
Simple Definition of collusion
1 : secret cooperation for an illegal or dishonest purpose
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/collusion





motive
Simple Definition of motive
1. a reason for doing something
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/motive

Hillary is OWNED by the Money changers.

Simple to remember....

RUPERT MURDOCH, Owner Fox TV, New York Post, London Times, News of the World

http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/jews-in-the-media-hollywood/


SEE BOS? Words are Fun...... Because as some of us sheeple Know..... Words mean things.....

https://www.google.com/#q=john+1:1

Ah...since Murdoch has a Jewish mother he must be secretly colluding with other Jews to elect Hillary, therefore, this Fox News poll is rigged.

Meh...pretty weak, even for you

Rainmaker
08-04-2016, 05:56 PM
That idiocy worked so well last time didn't it? Trumps fans are making excuses for his loss before it even happens.

Move along Nelson. Nothing to see here....



http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2014/311/580/2014-311580204-0c3ee98d-9.pdf

Rainmaker
08-04-2016, 06:30 PM
Ah...since Murdoch has a Jewish mother he must be secretly colluding with other Jews to elect Hillary, therefore, this Fox News poll is rigged.

Meh...pretty weak, even for you


Ok, since you're emotionally biased, Let's leave ethnicity out of it.

Murdoch is more concerned with Transnational interests than American Interests (only became an American Citizen for Business reasons). Murdoch has deep government and NGO Neocon connections (that are using the press to advance Israeli Financial and foreign policy interests). Murdoch has extensive financial ties to Israel (and invested in many Israeli companies).

Now, Contrary to the disinformation being pumped out on Faux news. The Neocons are Progressives, that defected from the Democratic Party. Trump has orchestrated a Grass-Roots coup and aiming to put American Interests ahead of Transnational interest. He's exposed the Fox news shills for what they really are.

So, What we're see now, are these Neocon parasites defecting back into the Democratic Party & throwing their weight and $ behind Hillary. Murdoch is a neocon (Think Bush).

Bos Mutus
08-04-2016, 06:52 PM
Ok, since you're emotionally biased, Let's leave ethnicity out of it.

Murdoch is more concerned with Transnational interests than American Interests (only became an American Citizen for Business reasons). Murdoch has deep government and NGO Neocon connections (that are using the press to advance Israeli Financial and foreign policy interests). Murdoch has extensive financial ties to Israel (and invested in many Israeli companies).

Now, Contrary to the disinformation being pumped out on Faux news. The Neocons are Progressives, that defected from the Democratic Party. Trump has orchestrated a Grass-Roots coup and aiming to put American Interests ahead of Transnational interest. He's exposed the Fox news shills for what they really are.

So, What we're see now, are these Neocon parasites defecting back into the Democratic Party & throwing their weight and $ behind Hillary. Murdoch is a neocon (Think Bush).

LOL...whatever.

Let's just pretend Trump is secretly winning...secretly has a YUGE lead...and if he doesn't win the election we can call it rigged and note that we've been warning of a rigged election for months.

This is just one poll as a point of reference...don't get too wrapped up in it.

Rainmaker
08-04-2016, 07:16 PM
LOL...whatever.

Let's just pretend Trump is secretly winning...secretly has a YUGE lead...and if he doesn't win the election we can call it rigged and note that we've been warning of a rigged election for months.

Bos Mutus, Do you not have the eyes to see and the ears to hear what's happening right in front of you?

Did you read the DNC dumped emails that confirmed the DNC primary was in-fact rigged?

Given what we know, Isn't it possible that the General election could be fixed as well?

or did you just rely on the Wolf Blitzer's and Jake Tapper's and Allen Greenspan's wife to tell you what it is that you so desperately need to hear?



This is just one poll as a point of reference...don't get too wrapped up in it.

Who's wrapped up? If voting mattered they wouldn't let you do it. Whoever wins they're going to pull the plug. & Rainmaker has a 7 figure net worth, and can cash out of the casino either way. But, Go back and read our threads on this from last summer. You idiots were calling Trump's demise at 3%. Everyone one of you Bitches have been wrong from the get go. Wake up and smell the Chaos.

Bos Mutus
08-04-2016, 07:26 PM
You idiots were calling Trump's demise at 3%. Everyone one of you Bitches have been wrong from the get go. Wake up and smell the Chaos.

You idiot have me confused with someone else,

Rainmaker
08-04-2016, 07:27 PM
You idiot have me confused with someone else,

Did you read the DNC dumped emails that confirmed the DNC primary was in-fact rigged?

Given what we know, Isn't it possible that the General election could be fixed as well?

Bos Mutus
08-04-2016, 07:32 PM
Did you read the DNC dumped emails that confirmed the DNC primary was in-fact rigged?

Given what we know, Isn't it possible that the General election could be fixed as well?

Primaries and General are two entirely different things...that the DNC leadership favored one candidate or tried to skewer another is not election the same as 'rigging the election.'

As I'm not a member of the Democratic Party...their process for selecting their candidate isn't something I get too far into.

What I gather from both parties...is that they each nominated the candidate that will most piss of the other party and I won't vote for either one..

Mjölnir
08-04-2016, 07:39 PM
Primaries and General are two entirely different things...that the DNC leadership favored one candidate or tried to skewer another is not election the same as 'rigging the election.'

As I'm not a member of the Democratic Party...their process for selecting their candidate isn't something I get too far into.

What I gather from both parties...is that they each nominated the candidate that will most piss of the other party and I won't vote for either one..

May I offer you an option:

https://res.cloudinary.com/teepublic/image/private/s--QCoNLAmM--/t_Preview/b_rgb:ffffff,c_limit,f_jpg,h_630,q_90,w_630/v1446247252/production/designs/308299_2.jpg

#nolivesmatter

Bos Mutus
08-04-2016, 08:44 PM
May I offer you an option:

https://res.cloudinary.com/teepublic/image/private/s--QCoNLAmM--/t_Preview/b_rgb:ffffff,c_limit,f_jpg,h_630,q_90,w_630/v1446247252/production/designs/308299_2.jpg

#nolivesmatter

I am going with Johnson again.

Rainmaker
08-04-2016, 11:07 PM
Johnson??!! Satan incarnate in a fucking pantsuit is about to appoint 3 supreme court justices, & you guys are voting for Johnson??!! Jesus God Men!!!!....Talk about a bunch of milquetoast fence sitters...Don't let Johnson hit you in the bottom of your pussies!

Rusty Jones
08-04-2016, 11:22 PM
Johnson??!! Satan incarnate in a fucking pantsuit is about to appoint 3 supreme court judges, & you guys are voting for Johnson??!! Jesus God Men!....Talk about a bunch of milquetoast fence sitters...
Don't let Johnson hit you in the bottom of your pussies!

Although I hate to admit it, you really don't have much to fear. Any damage that Gary Johnson does to Donald Trump will be offset by the damage that Jill Stein does the Hillary Clinton, and vice versa.

Bos Mutus
08-04-2016, 11:28 PM
Johnson??!! Satan incarnate in a fucking pantsuit is about to appoint 3 supreme court judges, & you guys are voting for Johnson??!! Jesus God Men!....Talk about a bunch of milquetoast fence sitters...
Don't let Johnson hit you in the bottom of your pussies!

Why? Cuz you and all the other faschist neo-Nazi wannabe bitches have been duped into thinking you need a fake-ass sugar daddy to protect your delicate rosebuds from your fantasy booty bandits.

F that.

Johnson tells it like it is


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FitCoZ0kGpE

Mjölnir
08-04-2016, 11:50 PM
johnson??!! satan incarnate in a fucking pantsuit is about to appoint 3 supreme court justices, & you guys are voting for johnson??!! Jesus god men!!!!....talk about a bunch of milquetoast fence sitters...don't let johnson hit you in the bottom of your pussies!

cthulhu!!!

#nolivesmatter

Rainmaker
08-05-2016, 02:49 AM
Johnson tells it like it is

Sure. He tells it like it is. Meaning groups that must never be offended are: racial minorities, women, immigrants, muslims, jews and gays.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FitCoZ0kGpE



Gary seems a little light in the loafers....

Bos Mutus
08-05-2016, 02:56 PM
Sure. He tells it like it is. Meaning groups that must never be offended are: racial minorities, women, immigrants, muslims, jews and gays...

How very disappointing that must be for you...all the good ones.

garhkal
08-05-2016, 05:48 PM
Primaries and General are two entirely different things...that the DNC leadership favored one candidate or tried to skewer another is not election the same as 'rigging the election.'


Maybe. However the fact they ARE being seen as admitting to rigging ONE election, can easily morph into they try to rig other ones..