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Absinthe Anecdote
08-13-2015, 07:06 PM
This rise in the number of angry gun nuts is very disturbing.





The number of American "patriot" extremist groups has reached a record level, according to a new study, and experts are warning of a wave of anti-government violence.

A report released Tuesday by the Southern Poverty Law Center counted 1,360 "patriot" extremist groups in 2012 -- up by 7% from 2011. The study defines patriot groups as anti-government militias driven by their fear that authorities will strip them of their guns and liberties.


"They believe the Constitution is being raped. With hate groups, things are going to get worse because they feel like they're in battle," said David Gletty a former FBI informant who spent time undercover with various militia and extremist groups. "It's not surprising with their hatred of President (Barack) Obama that there are even more hate groups out there."


Fringe elements

Gletty said most of the fringe elements characterized in the report hate the government more than they do specific races. They hate everyone, Gletty said.

Now a private investigator, Gletty spent years undercover as an FBI informant watching the internal workings of white supremacist groups.

The groups named in the SPLC study came from information compiled from "field reports, Patriot publications, the Internet, law enforcement sources and news reports."

Other highlights of the report include:

-- The state with the most neo-Nazi groups: Florida, with 9.

-- The state with the most Ku Klux Klan groups: Texas, with 26.

-- The report breaks out a group it calls "Christian Identity," which the SLPC defines as "a religion that is fundamentally racist and anti-Semitic." Texas has the most, with five.

-- Another category in the report, called "General Hate," is defined as groups that are anti-gay, Holocaust deniers, racist musicians or radical traditionalist Catholics. California has the most such groups, with 37.

"The country needs to do better," Potok wrote in an editorial. The Department of Homeland Security, he said, needs to act to avoid a repeat of the kind of hate-based violence the nation saw in the 1990s.

Rainmaker
08-13-2015, 07:27 PM
This rise in the number of angry gun nuts is very disturbing.

Great yet another post referencing the Anti-White SPLC Bolshevik front group.

Absinthe Anecdote
08-13-2015, 07:34 PM
Great yet another post referencing the SPLC Bolshevik front group. A lot of European American's died to give you right of return to your alleged 3000 year old homeland.

Feel free to use it

Who?

The head of the SPLC, or me?

My people have been in the U.S. since 1650, before that we were Ulster Scots.

So, you know a lot about the SPLC? Why is that?

I always thought they did good work, you don't like them?

Bos Mutus
08-13-2015, 07:52 PM
This rise in the number of angry gun nuts is very disturbing.

"Patriot" groups indeed...their motto is

"We LOVE America...we just hate the government and most of the people."

Absinthe Anecdote
08-13-2015, 07:55 PM
"Patriot" groups indeed...their motto is

"We LOVE America...we just hate the government and most of the people."

Check out the SPLC hate map:

https://www.splcenter.org/hate-map

It is very useful to know what kind of crazies are operating in your area.

Bos Mutus
08-13-2015, 08:02 PM
Check out the SPLC hate map:

https://www.splcenter.org/hate-map

It is very useful to know what kind of crazies are operating in your area.

Interesting...


The SPLC's Intelligence Project states that it "identified 1,360 anti-government 'Patriot' groups that were active in 2012" The SPLC describes these groups as parts of an extremist Patriot Movement (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Movement) characterized by anti-government (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedition) doctrines, conspiracy theories or opposition to the New World Order (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_(conspiracy_theory)). The SPLC states that its listing of groups does not imply that such groups "engage in violence or other criminal activities, or are racist".

Absinthe Anecdote
08-13-2015, 08:21 PM
There are a lot of these groups, and it is good to keep an eye on them.

Just look at this wave of hate the swept through Florida last summer.




Last summer, South Florida saw a spate of anti-Semitic incidents involving synagogues and cars spray-painted with swastikas, “Hamas” and hateful symbols, as well as protestors holding offensive signs at anti-Israel rallies.

The region was not alone. Operation Protective Edge — a military operation Israel launched in the Gaza Strip during the summer of 2014 — fueled anti-Semitic activities across the country.

On Monday, the Anti-Defamation League released its annual Audit of Anti-Semitic Incidents showing a slight increase in 2014 over the previous year in Florida and a huge jump nationwide.

Middle East tensions may have exacerbated anti-Semitism, said Hava L. Holzhauer, Anti-Defamation League’s Florida regional director.

“Those who harbor anti-Semitic attitudes use the conflict between Israel and Gaza as an excuse to express their hatred,” she said.

Seventy incidents of anti-Semitism were reported in Florida in 2014, a slight increase from 68 in ADL’s 2013 audit. Of the 70 incidents in 2014, 50 were classified as harassment, threats and events, five fewer than the previous year; 19 were classified as vandalism, up six from the previous year; one incident was classified as assault. There were no assaults in 2013.

The majority of Florida’s incidents — as has happened in previous years — occurred in the southern part of the state, with 21 incidents in Miami-Dade County, 19 in Palm Beach County and 11 in Broward. In 2013, 11 incidents were reported in Miami-Dade and 11 in Broward.

The ADL audit, which has been done every year since 1979, showed that there were 912 anti-Semitic incidents in the United States in 2014, an increase from 751 incidents in 2013. Florida continues to be in the top four states reporting incidents of anti-Semitism, with New York, California, and New Jersey reporting more incidents than Florida.

“It’s disheartening,” Holzhauer said. “We have been on a trend of decrease. This is a big increase nationwide. It says we have a lot of work to do in education. It’s the only tool that combats hate effectively.”

Among this year’s incidents:

▪ The two front pillars of Torah V'Emunah, an Orthodox synagogue at 1000 NE 174th St. in North Miami Beach, were spray-painted with swastikas and the word “Hamas” in July. At the time, Rabbi Yerucham Benzinger said he felt the synagogue had been “violated.”

"It is something very painful to realize," he said.

Police are investigating the incident as a hate crime, but no one has been charged.

▪ Also in July, several cars were vandalized in Miami Beach. A couple walking at about 6:30 a.m. spotted cream cheese smeared on a car spelling the words "Hamas" and "Jew," and another car also was egged in the same 4200 block of Meridian Avenue in Miami Beach. At the time, a police report indicated that the incident was being investigated as a hate crime. The daughter of the cars' owners said the family was shocked by the incident.

▪ The same month, during a protest against Operation Protective Edge in Gaza, outside the Consulate General of Israel to Florida and Puerto Rico’s office at 100 Biscayne Blvd. a demonstrator was spotted holding a sign that said “Long Live Gaza,” “Long Live Hamas” and “[expletive] Jews.”

▪ In September, a banner outside of Miami Beach’s oldest Conservative temple, Temple Emanu-el, was vandalized with swastikas. “The message is clear. It’s a message of hate and intolerance,” said Temple Emanu-el Rabbi Marc Philippe at the time. “And whenever you have intolerance, you have problems.”

▪ In October, a Miami Beach Jewish family was on vacation and returned to find their apartment vandalized with swastikas and Stars of David following a robbery.

▪ In October, the website of Temple Kol Ami Emanu- El in Plantation was hacked by a group calling itself “Team System Dz.” The group redirected visitors to a page with messages expressing support for the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article16943411.html#storylink=cpy

Bos Mutus
08-13-2015, 08:22 PM
I found this part interesting:


-- Another category in the report, called "General Hate," is defined as groups that are anti-gay, Holocaust deniers, racist musicians or radical traditionalist Catholics. California has the most such groups, with 37.

Who knew there were so many radical traditionalist Catholics in Commiefornia?



“Radical traditionalist” Catholics, who may make up the largest single group of serious anti-Semites in America, subscribe to an ideology that is rejected by the Vatican and some 70 million mainstream American Catholics. Many of their leaders have been condemned and even excommunicated by the official church.
Adherents of radical traditional Catholicism, or “integrism,” routinely pillory Jews as “the perpetual enemy of Christ” and worse, reject the ecumenical efforts of the Vatican, and sometimes even assert that recent popes have all been illegitimate. They are incensed by the liberalizing reforms of the 1962-65 Second Vatican Council, which condemned hatred for the Jews and rejected the accusation that Jews are collectively responsible for deicide in the form of the crucifixion of Christ.

Radical traditionalists are not the same as Catholics who call themselves “traditionalists” — people who prefer the old Latin Mass to the mass now typically said in vernacular languages — although the radicals, as well, like their liturgy in Latin. They also embrace extremely conservative social ideals with respect to women.

Pre-Vatican II Catholics...illegitimate Popes...hmmmm, why does that sound familiar?

Rainmaker
08-13-2015, 08:24 PM
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Who?

The head of the SPLC, or me?

If the shoe fits wear it.


My people have been in the U.S. since 1650, before that we were Ulster Scots.

Which explains why you Hate White Europeans and Christians so much. Guilty of the Sin against the Holy Spirit.

Which, in case you haven't figured it out yet is simply sewing discord against your brother..... Rhetoric (Of the Greek Trivium) is the Holy Spirit (Of the Christian Trivium)


So, you know a lot about the SPLC? Why is that?

Because knowing the Truth is a calling of mine. It's open source information.

The SPLC are one of many remaining vestiges of the KGB cultural espionage program pursued from mid twentieth century until collapse of the USSR.



I always thought they did good work, you don't like them?

Yes, of course you'd be a fan of the SPLC. In-spite of your best efforts to convince us other wise.

It's clear from you and fellow hasbara intern (Bos Mutus) posts that at best you're both NeoCon-Socialsts posing as Compassionate Conservatives and at worst you may be actual Communists.

Rainmaker
08-13-2015, 08:28 PM
I found this part interesting:



Who knew there were so many radical traditionalist Catholics in Commiefornia?

Pre-Vatican II Catholics...illegitimate Popes...hmmmm, why does that sound familiar?

It must be shift change at Headquarters. And, By the way, watching you two troll boys try collect information and form a conclusion is like watching a couple of retards trying to fuck a football.

You're really terrible at it, that must be why they relegated you to such a backwater forum to spew your disinformation and lies.

Bos Mutus
08-13-2015, 08:32 PM
Speaking of Popes...apparently the hottest Congressional address ticket since ever:

http://news.yahoo.com/hottest-ticket-washington-pope-capitol-153627352--politics.html

Rainmaker
08-13-2015, 08:34 PM
Speaking of Popes...apparently the hottest Congressional address ticket since ever:

http://news.yahoo.com/hottest-ticket-washington-pope-capitol-153627352--politics.html

yeah, and since, you're all about separation of Church and state,

I'm sure first thing after the Jesuit Anit-Pope leaves, you'll be on here lecturing the rest of us on how we should give up our National Sovereignty and tax dollars to keep us safe from the weather.

Absinthe Anecdote
08-13-2015, 08:38 PM
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If the shoe fits wear it.



Which explains why you Hate White Europeans and Christians so much. Guilty of the Sin against the Holy Spirit.

Which, in case you haven't figured it out yet is simply sewing discord against your brother..... Rhetoric (Of the Greek Trivium) is the Holy Spirit (Of the Christian Trivium)



Because knowing the Truth is a calling of mine. It's open source information.

The SPLC are one of many remaining vestiges of the KGB cultural espionage program pursued from mid twentieth century until collapse of the USSR.




Yes, of course you'd be a fan of the SPLC. In-spite of your best efforts to convince us other wise.

It's clear from you and fellow hasbara intern (Bos Mutus) posts that at best you're both NeoCon-Socialsts posing as Compassionate Conservatives and at worst you may be actual Communists.

Hasbara? I had to google it, I've seen you use this term before.

You think hasbara is a big threat?

Absinthe Anecdote
08-13-2015, 08:40 PM
Speaking of Popes...apparently the hottest Congressional address ticket since ever:

http://news.yahoo.com/hottest-ticket-washington-pope-capitol-153627352--politics.html

It is no secret that I'm anti-religion but I sort of like this new pope. He's much better than the old German one who was in the Hitler Youth.

Rainmaker
08-13-2015, 08:41 PM
"Patriot" groups indeed...their motto is

"We LOVE America...we just hate the government and most of the people."

In case you didn't get the memo....The government is not America and most of her Citizens self identify as Christians.

Rainmaker
08-13-2015, 08:43 PM
Hasbara? I had to google it, I've seen you use this term before.

You think hasbara is a big threat?

Do I think hasbara is a Big threat to what?

Absinthe Anecdote
08-13-2015, 08:44 PM
I found this part interesting:






Pre-Vatican II Catholics...illegitimate Popes...hmmmm, why does that sound familiar?

I know I've heard someone talking about that recently, are they linked to neo-Nazis or Catholic militias?

Bos Mutus
08-13-2015, 08:45 PM
In case you didn't get the memo....The government is not America and most of her Citizens self identify as Christians.

Most of them voted for Obama, too. What's your point...you love the American people...even the secular liberal progressive socialists?

Absinthe Anecdote
08-13-2015, 08:46 PM
Do I think hasbara is a Big threat to what?

Why do you speak out against hasbara? Why is hasbara bad?

Rainmaker
08-13-2015, 08:52 PM
Why do you speak out against hasbara? Why is hasbara bad?

I acknowledge its existence. That's all.

This mentality you two display here illustrates perfectly for the rest of us, why the domestic security state (starting with defunding the Orwellian named Department of Homeland Security) needs to be rolled back.

The threat is always that it will eventually be turned on the American People in order to justify its own continued existence.

This line of thinking only comes from people who've never actually held a real job that produced anything of value for the rest of society.

You two really should be ashamed of yourselves. You're basically parasites all blown up like a couple of blood ticks sucking the life out of your fellow countrymen.

Bos Mutus
08-13-2015, 08:53 PM
I know I've heard someone talking about that recently, are they linked to neo-Nazis or Catholic militias?

I'm not sure...


The Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) is a fervently traditionalist Catholic sect: a Vatican breakaway with no official Church status, and the cause of much malcontent in Rome. Born in reaction to the Church’s modernizing reforms of the ’60s, the Society soon emerged as a stronghold of the way Catholicism used to be. In the towns and cities where SSPX communities popped up (SSPX claims almost half a million members, hundreds of priests, and a presence on every continent, though the numbers cannot be verified), the group is best known for its practice of the old Tridentine Mass: conducted in Latin, the priest’s back to his congregation, and heavy on the Gregorian chant.

Elsewhere, SSPX is known for other things: like its Holocaust-denying bishop; its anti-Semitic conspiracy mongering (an SSPX leader recently dubbed Jews and Modernists “enemies of the Church”); its rejection of interfaith dialogue; and its insistence that, since the 1960s, the Vatican has taken a turn for the worse. The Anti-Defamation League describes SSPX as “mired in anti-Semitism.” The Southern Poverty Law Center ups the ante, calling “radical traditionalist Catholics” (including, prominently, SSPX members) “the single largest group of hard-core anti-Semites in America.”

Absinthe Anecdote
08-13-2015, 08:56 PM
I acknowledge its existence. That's all.

This mentality you two display here illustrates perfectly for the rest of us, why the domestic security state (starting with defunding the Orwellian named Department of Homeland Security) needs to be rolled back.

The threat is always that it will eventually be turned on the American People in order to justify it's own continued existence.

This line of thinking only comes from people who've never actually held a real job that produced anything of value for the rest of society.

You two really should be ashamed of yourselves. You're basically parasites all blown up like a couple of blood ticks sucking the life out of your fellow countrymen.

So what is the final solution?

Is it the Florida Militia?


http://youtu.be/6XPeY30Q46Q

Bos Mutus
08-13-2015, 09:07 PM
yeah, and since, you're all about separation of Church and state,

Indeed, I am.


I'm sure first thing after the Jesuit Anit-Pope leaves, you'll be on here lecturing the rest of us on how we should give up our National Sovereignty and tax dollars to keep us safe from the weather.

Doubtful.

Rainmaker
08-13-2015, 09:12 PM
So what is the final solution?

Is it the Florida Militia?




I don't know. But, I'm sure you can arrange a trip to the west bank and can get a first hand experience of where the country is most likely headed, if people that think like you continue to get their way.

Bos Mutus
08-13-2015, 09:16 PM
It must be shift change at Headquarters. And, By the way, watching you two troll boys try collect information and form a conclusion is like watching a couple of retards trying to fuck a football.

Getting kind of defensive there, Rainman.

I'll be honest...all of this radical traditionalist Catholic stuff is new to me...I found it interesting. A lot of the hate groups I've heard of before tend to be Protestant...so, I found that interesting...not sure why that got your panties all in a bunch.


You're really terrible at it, that must be why they relegated you to such a backwater forum to spew your disinformation and lies.

You caught me...I'm trying to earn a promotion to blogger...right now AA and I are competing for Senior Rater Endorsement, so, try to make me look good.

Absinthe Anecdote
08-13-2015, 09:16 PM
I don't know. But, I'm sure you can arrange a trip to the west bank and can get a first hand experience of where the country is most likely headed, if people that think like you continue to get their way.

I have to ask. What group are you a member of?

Absinthe Anecdote
08-13-2015, 09:21 PM
Getting kind of defensive there, Rainman.

I'll be honest...all of this radical traditionalist Catholic stuff is new to me...I found it interesting. A lot of the hate groups I've heard of before tend to be Protestant...so, I found that interesting...not sure why that got your panties all in a bunch.

Did you notice how hard he lashed out when I mentioned that my ancestry is Ulster Scot?

Take it from me, there are plenty of old school militant Catholics. They were incredibly hard on my people.

UncaRastus
08-13-2015, 09:28 PM
And here I thought that Hasbara was a toy company ...

Absinthe Anecdote
08-13-2015, 09:33 PM
And here I thought that Hasbara was a toy company ...

That would be Hasbro, I don't know where the hell they stand on all this.

Bos Mutus
08-13-2015, 09:38 PM
Did you notice how hard he lashed out when I mentioned that my ancestry is Ulster Scot?

Take it from me, there are plenty of old school militant Catholics. They were incredibly hard on my people.

I'm just now making some of these connections...As Rainman likes to say "It is all connected"

I mean we've all known that Rainman rails against Israel and the Zionists...blah, blah, blah...

I guess I've know that historically, many Catholics were anti-Semitic a la Mel Gibson...

...and Rainman has brought up his Pre-Vatican II beliefs, etc before...but, I thought that was more like just a religious preference, doing Mass in Latin, that sort of stuff...other than his political differences with the current liberal Pope...

I guess I didn't realize there was this whole "Pre-Vatican II movement that was tied in with his anti-Jew ideology and hate groups and have a name Radical Traditionalists that are identified as hate groups by the SPLC..." so, am finding this sort of interesting. I'm guessing his "Pre-Vatican II" has less to do with religious understanding and spiritual enlightenment than it does with anti-Zionist conspiracy and fear of the New World Order kind of stuff.

UncaRastus
08-13-2015, 09:39 PM
I knew I should've put in the ;)

Absinthe Anecdote
08-13-2015, 09:45 PM
More information on these Pre Vatican II Catholics.




"Integrism" is a term used to describe traditionalist Catholicism especially in a social and political context. Kay Chadwick writes: "It would be naive to suppose that [Catholic integrism] does not harbour a political agenda. It is both anti-Masonic and anti-Communist. It finds a voice in the Right-wing press. ... The annual Joan of Arc procession in Paris brings together integrists and National Front supporters. The annual National Front party celebration is preceded by a Latin Mass, celebrated according to the rite of Pius V. Just before his death in March 1988, Lefebvre was fined eight thousand francs by the Court of Appeal in Paris for 'racial defamation' and 'incitement to racial hatred', for suggesting publicly that immigrants, beginning with Muslims, should be expelled from Europe. In 1976, he declared his support for Latin American dictatorships. He was an admirer of Maurras and Pétain, and supported the cause of French Algeria."[25]

The Southern Poverty Law Center used the terms "radical traditionalist Catholics" to describe those who "may make up the largest single group of serious anti-Semites in America, subscribe to an ideology that is rejected by the Vatican and some 70 million mainstream American Catholics and many of their leaders have been condemned and even excommunicated by the official church.[26] It claims that adherents of radical traditional Catholicism "routinely pillory Jews as 'the perpetual enemy of Christ'",[26][27] reject the ecumenical efforts of the Vatican, and sometimes assert all recent Popes are illegitimate.[26] And it says that adherents are "incensed by the liberalizing reforms" of the Second Vatican Council (1962–65) which condemned hatred for Jewish people and "rejected the accusation that Jews are collectively responsible for deicide in the form of the crucifixion of Christ"[26] and that "Radical traditional Catholics" also embrace "extremely conservative social ideals with respect to women."[26]

I guess that explains all the constant Jew bashing, huh?

Rainmaker
08-13-2015, 09:58 PM
Most of them voted for Obama, too. What's your point...you love the American people...even the secular liberal progressive socialists?

My point is that you're full of shit.

You lecture us on tolerance and then attack anyone that questions the need for large centralized government control accusing them of being right wing extremists and dangerous.

You immediately get butt hurt anytime someone questions your hero Obama.

You're by far the biggest hypocrite liar on this forum.

Bos Mutus
08-13-2015, 10:04 PM
My point is that you're full of shit.

You lecture us on tolerance and then attack anyone that questions the need for large centralized government control accusing them of being right wing extremists and dangerous.

When did I lecture anyone on tolerance? And when did I accuse anyone of being dangerous?

...and don't you think "...questioned the need for a large centralized government" to be a severely gross understatement of your many rants on here?

You are misinformed...if I post a relevant link it doesn't mean I endorse it...it's just for conversation.

Me posting a link about the Pope speaking to Congress doesn't mean I applaud him being there...it just means I knew it's a sore subject for you.

We're talking about extremist groups here...why do you feel attacked? No one is attacking the VFW


You immediately get butt hurt anytime someone questions your hero Obama.

Again...you are misinformed...Obama is not my hero and I never voted for him...not sure where you get this from other than it seems impossible for you to comprehend that people can have individual and varied opinions without marching in lock-step with some ordained father of the order...


You're by far the biggest hypocrite liar on this forum.

By far? Wow...

The more I get to know where you come from...the more I consider any insult from you as a huge compliment. The likes of you calling me a hypocrite, ironic as it is, is a badge of honor.

Rainmaker
08-13-2015, 10:04 PM
I have to ask. What group are you a member of?

The only group I'm a member of is the VFW and The American Legion. I'm sure you consider them dangerous hate groups

Absinthe Anecdote
08-13-2015, 10:12 PM
The only group I'm a member of is the VFW and The American Legion. I'm sure you consider them dangerous hate groups

Nope.

I used to think you might be in a militia, but that stuff about your vintage .38 has me thinking you are not in a militia.

Militia guys know their weaponry and wouldn't carry a .38 loose in their pocket like that.

Bos Mutus
08-13-2015, 10:15 PM
The only group I'm a member of is the VFW and The American Legion. I'm sure you consider them dangerous hate groups

You don't deny being a sort of "Pre-Vatican II" believing Catholic, do you?

You don't deny thinking the Zionists are kind of bad for America, do you?

You don't deny thinking Pope Francis is a false Pope, right?

What have I attacked you with that you wouldn't claim for yourself?

Absinthe Anecdote
08-13-2015, 10:30 PM
My point is that you're full of shit.

You lecture us on tolerance and then attack anyone that questions the need for large centralized government control accusing them of being right wing extremists and dangerous.

You immediately get butt hurt anytime someone questions your hero Obama.

You're by far the biggest hypocrite liar on this forum.

Put this post in upper case font and it is pure Rich Giddens aka WILLS POWERS.

Classic!

You weren't attacked, we were talking about the SPLC and you went ballistic.

TJMAC77SP
08-13-2015, 10:40 PM
This rise in the number of angry gun nuts is very disturbing.

I have been watching this for awhile. Well, not actively in quite awhile. It actually harkens back to the 1980s when groups like CSA and The Order were around. I can't say I am comfortable calling them patriot groups but will concede if the terms Islamic Terrorists and Illegal Aliens become in as common use.

One of my past jobs on active duty was in Anti-Terrorism (and to a lesser extent Counter-Terrorism). I monitored groups like the ones named above. I actually was on the mailing lists of a few of them (using a cover PO Box). The general public tends to dismiss them as nuts and overall not an inaccurate assessment but nuts can be dangerous and we ignore them at our peril.

The militias and other groups were dealt a death blow after the OK City bombing in 1995.

RM: While I think sometimes the SPLC see boogeyman that aren't really there, their work overall is excellent.

TJMAC77SP
08-13-2015, 10:42 PM
Hasbara? I had to google it, I've seen you use this term before.

You think hasbara is a big threat?

I had to look it up as well.

TJMAC77SP
08-13-2015, 10:46 PM
Did you notice how hard he lashed out when I mentioned that my ancestry is Ulster Scot?

Take it from me, there are plenty of old school militant Catholics. They were incredibly hard on my people.

Hard on your people? Do you mean in Ulster? Kind of a serious two-way street there............after about 300 years of a very one-way street.

Absinthe Anecdote
08-13-2015, 10:53 PM
I have been watching this for awhile. I actually harkens back to the 1980s when groups like CSA and The Order were around. I can't say I am comfortable calling them patriot groups but will concede if the terms Islamic Terrorists and Illegal Aliens become in as common use.

One of my past jobs on active duty was in Anti-Terrorism (and to a lesser extent Counter-Terrorism). I monitored groups like the ones named above. I actually was on the mailing lists of a few of them (using a cover PO Box). The general public tends to dismiss them as nuts and overall not an inaccurate assessment but nuts can be dangerous and we ignore them at our peril.

RM: While I think sometimes the SPLC see boogeyman that aren't really there, their work overall is excellent.

I get your point, but these groups call themselves patriot groups.

And yes, the SPLC does excellent work.

The overlap between the anti-Zionism talk of the pre Vatican II Catholics and that of White Power groups is interesting.

Plus, the frequent use of the term "White Guilt" is another commonality in their language.

This has been an interesting thread, I feel like I've learned a lot in here today.

Bos Mutus
08-13-2015, 10:59 PM
The only group I'm a member of is the VFW and The American Legion. I'm sure you consider them dangerous hate groups

The SPLC has a few words to say about the American Legion



Now, America’s largest veterans organization has launched another campaign — a hard-line attack on undocumented immigrants that’s at odds with the legion’s mainstream image. As part of this effort, the legion, which purports to speak for 2.7 million members, recently issued a booklet that regurgitates discredited and often completely false information about how “illegals” are bringing crime, disease, and terrorism to this country, even as they wreck the economy for natives.
The legion’s 34-page booklet, A Strategy to Address Illegal Immigration in the United States (http://www.legion.org/documents/legion/pdf/illegalimmigration.pdf), asserts that “poverty, political instability, disease and war” are “on our back doorstep” because of porous borders and the failure of the government to stringently enforce immigration laws. But in making its case, the legion repeatedly cites dubious sources, ignores well-known facts and makes baseless claims — such as the false assertion that the undocumented infected more than 7,000 people in America with leprosy during a recent three-year period.
“They’re sort of trotting out old tropes to do with immigration,” said Richard Wright, a Dartmouth College geography professor who specializes in immigration. “These are hackneyed stereotypes that have no place in a policy document.”
That’s not all. On April 28, when it released (http://www.legion.org/whatsnew/releases_story?id=478) its booklet — which was actually a repackaged version of a May 2007 legion “white paper” — the group announced that its campaign would include letters to the editor, news releases from posts around the country, and six 60-second radio spots. These spots revisit some of the nastiest claims in the report, portraying undocumented immigrants as sex offenders, gang members, terrorists and murderers. Remarkably, they are delivered by Richard Fatherly, Kansas City chapter media adviser for the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps — a group whose members President Bush once denounced as “vigilantes.”
The Intelligence Report sought comment from the American Legion and was directed to Robert Caudell, assistant director of its Americanism and Children & Youth Division. Caudell requested a detailed list of false or misleading claims, but then declined to address those claims once he had received it. Instead, he E-mailed a general statement pointing to the legion’s recommendations to the government and arguing that the Intelligence Report was simply interpreting the same facts and statistics differently than the legion. “It’s quite the same when two individuals witness an identical incident,” Caudell wrote. “Each has his perspective, his personal assumptions, and often a disparate ability to describe the event.”
That’s not the way Hispanic veterans organizations see it. Felix Vargas, a retired Army colonel and the director of government relations for the largest such group, American GI Forum, told the Intelligence Report that the booklet was misleading and untruthful and called it a slap in the face to Hispanic legionnaires. “We didn’t need this distraction,” said Vargas, who served as an Army Ranger and Special Forces commander in Vietnam. “The legion crusade is a disservice to both the veteran community and the nation.” Added Eric Rojo, the president of Hispanic War Veterans of America and another retired colonel: “Their position is absurd and ignorant. Someone didn’t sit down and check the facts.” And John Amaya, a staff attorney at the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, noted that 11% of the first 4,000 American casualties in Iraq have been Latinos — and many of them are the children of undocumented residents of the United States.
The American Legion actually has been engaged with nativist groups for some time. In 2004, its national convention in Nashville, Tenn., featured Dan Stein, leader of the Federation for American Immigration Reform (http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/groups/federation-for-american-immigration-reform-fair) (FAIR), a strident nativist group that opposes both legal and illegal immigration. In March 2007, it held a forum on illegal immigration spotlighting nativist heavyweights like the leaders of NumbersUSA and the Center for Immigration Studies. It has allowed its posts to be used for gatherings of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps. And this spring, it gave its “National Commander’s Public Relations Award” (http://www.legion.org/vision/currentevents/2008/03/american_legion_to_honor_lou_d.html) to CNN anchor Lou Dobbs, who has himself regularly presented false data about immigrants.
At times in its history, the legion has made other forays into nativist politics. In 1937, the legion published A Review of Alien Isms, Revolutionary Communism and their Active Sympathizers in the United States, which linked immigrants to what was seen as the ultimate evil “ism”: communism. The book claimed that immigrant children accounted for most of those attending communist summer camps and that other supposedly subversive groups were also heavily populated by immigrants. It demanded enhanced border patrols, immediate deportation of the undocumented and slashing of all immigration quotas by 90%. After World War I, when anti-Asian sentiment was sweeping the country, the legion on the West Coast championed policies that discriminated against Japanese-Americans. This attitude also affected the national legion, whose committee to investigate Asiatic immigration included a Seattle attorney who had served as president of his city’s Anti-Japanese League, according to Tom Heuterman’s book The Burning Horse.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2008/07/16/american-legion-immigration-report-replete-falsehoods

Absinthe Anecdote
08-13-2015, 11:00 PM
Hard on your people? Do you mean in Ulster? Kind of a serious two-way street there............after about 300 years of a very one-way street.

The IRA bombed and murdered my Ulster cousins. We can't help it if we got kicked out of Scotland.

The Ulster Scots were victimized by the crown and later the IRA.

Don't try to make light of the hardship my people faced.

EDIT:

I forgot, you are Boston Irish aren't you?

I wouldn't expect you to understand, it is an Orange thing.

Bos Mutus
08-13-2015, 11:07 PM
More from the above link



THE LEGION’S CLAIM: American prisons “are crowded or full because of the illegals convicted of committing crimes against the people of the United States.” Non-citizens make up fully 30% of the American prison population.
THE TRUTH: As with many of its claims, the legion offers no source for this figure other than to claim that it has been “widely reported.” A 2005 report by the nonpartisan General Accounting Office says (http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05337r.pdf) that immigrants — both documented and undocumented — constitute 27% of federal prisoners. But fewer than 13% of incarcerated people in America are in federal prisons, according to the U.S. Department of Justice. When both federal and state prisoners are counted, about 6% are non-citizens (http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/pim07.pdf); that is actually less than expected, because documented and undocumented immigrants make up roughly 8% of adults residing in the U.S.
THE LEGION’S CLAIM: Based on the same General Accounting Office (GAO) report, the legion states that 49% of all incarcerated illegal immigrants had prior felony convictions.
THE TRUTH: The GAO report contains no such information, despite the fact that the American Legion report specifically cites it. What it does say is that of the offenses for which undocumented immigrants were arrested, just 12% (http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05646r.pdf) were violent crimes.
THE LEGION’S CLAIM: A U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) program aimed at catching child predators arrested more than 6,000 “illegal aliens” in its first two years. The legion also asserts that 240,000 undocumented immigrants are sex offenders.
THE TRUTH: While it’s true that Operation Predator made 6,000-plus arrests in its first two years, those arrested consisted of both documented and undocumented immigrants, as well as American citizens, according to ICE (http://www.ice.gov/pi/news/insideice/articles/InsideICE_071905_Web1.htm). About 85% of those arrested were foreign nationals (many of them documented), but this was no surprise, given that the operation specifically targeted foreign-born predators whose status made them deportable, along with U.S. citizens who engage in child sex tourism abroad. With regard to the total figure of undocumented sex offenders, the legion cites a self-published article from independent criminal profiler Deborah Schurman-Kauflin stating that 240,000 undocumented immigrants are sex offenders. Schurman-Kauflin based that figure on the assumption — for which she provided no specific source — that sex offenders account for 2% of all undocumented immigrants. She didn’t respond to an E-mail from the Intelligence Report seeking clarification.
THE LEGION’S CLAIM: Thousands of immigrants from countries with terrorist connections have been caught trying to enter the United States illegally. This claim is immediately followed by several paragraphs about illegal crossing of the Mexican border, suggesting that those “from countries with known terrorist connections” are entering the U.S. via Mexico.
THE TRUTH: A 2006 report by the Nixon Center, which appeared in the peer-reviewed Terrorism and Political Violence journal, found that the suggestion that terrorists were entering the U.S. through Mexico, while frightening, was entirely untrue: “Despite media alarms about terrorists concealed in the illegal traffic crossing the Mexican border, not a single subject entered from Mexico.”
THE LEGION’S CLAIM: “More Americans are killed by illegal aliens than die in the Iraq War.”
THE TRUTH: The legion cites no source for this allegation. Its claim appears to come from a February 2007 article by the editors of Family Security Matters, which frequently publishes breathless “exclusives” such as the one about Latinos titled, “Illegal Aliens Bring a Taliban Culture to the United States.” The February 2007 article attributes its data to an article on the far-right WorldNetDaily website, which in turn cites blogger Matt Johnson. In 2005, Johnson claimed — based, absurdly, on murder rates in immigrants’ home countries — that undocumented immigrants kill 1,806 to 2,510 people every year. Applying that claim to the FBI’s most recent murder total (15,854 murders in 2006) would mean that the undocumented, who number about 12 million people or 4% of the U.S. population, are responsible for 11.4% to 16.1% of U.S. murders. In plain English, that means the legion is claiming that undocumented immigrants murder U.S. citizens at a rate of three to four times that of the general population. In fact, nonpartisan studies have shown that immigrants of all kinds are significantly less criminal than their native-born American counterparts.

THE LEGION’S CLAIM: The legion quotes a 2005 article in the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons saying that many illegal immigrants “harbor fatal diseases that American medicine fought and vanquished long ago, such as drug-resistant tuberculosis, malaria, leprosy, plague, polio, dengue and Chagas disease. The influx of illegal aliens has serious hidden medical consequences.” The legion also claims that drug-resistant tuberculosis cases have risen 25% recently.
THE TRUTH: The “journal” the legion cites is a pseudo-scientific publication known for articles like the recent piece attempting to refute the well-established fact that the HIV virus causes AIDS. And the 2005 journal article’s author, the late Madeleine Cosman, was a lawyer and medievalist with no medical expertise at all. She was also a rabid migrant hater, as evidenced by this 2005 comment about all Mexican male immigrants to the U.S.: “Most of these bastards molest girls under age 12, some as young as age 5, others age 3. Although, of course, some specialize in boys, some specialize in nuns, [and] some are exceedingly versatile and rape little girls age 11 and women up to age 79.” It is true that certain diseases like Chagas disease, are more prevalent among immigration populations. But the legion’s claims are wildly overstated, suggesting real and widespread threats to the health of the general public. As an example, in the case of drug-resistant tuberculosis, the Centers for Disease Control reports that there were only 116 cases in 2006, the most recent year for which statistics are available. Overall, tuberculosis cases in the United States are at an all-time low since national reporting began in 1953.
THE LEGION’S CLAIM: “Between 2000 and 2003, leprosy infected over 7,000 people in the U.S., brought to this country by illegal immigrants from India, Brazil, Mexico and the Caribbean.” That compared to 900 cases in the prior 40 years.
THE TRUTH: The legion’s claim is based on a misreading of a New York Times article (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9406E0D81E3AF93BA25751C0A9659C8B63&scp=1&sq=leprosy%202003&st=cse) cited by Cosman in her journal article. In fact, just 453 cases (http://hrsa.gov/hansens/30yeartrend.htm) were diagnosed in those years, according to the National Hansen’s Disease [leprosy] Program. As program director James Krahenbuhl told the Times: “It’s not a public health problem. That’s the bottom line.” The legion’s claim has been popularized nationally by CNN host Lou Dobbs, who refused to retract his assertion even after it had been debunked by “60 Minutes” and many others.
THE LEGION’S CLAIM: “Illegals cost Americans jobs.”
THE TRUTH: A 2006 Pew Hispanic Center study found that, overall, large increases in states’ immigrant populations did not correspond with more unemployment for their native-born workers. While some scholars have said that undocumented workers depress wages for native-born high school dropouts, most have failed to establish a link between immigration and job loss, said Richard Wright, the Dartmouth College professor. In fact, many experts have argued that immigration can lead to a net gain of jobs. Said Wright: “The actual effect on the economy is at worst minor, at best beneficial.”
THE LEGION’S CLAIM: “Illegal immigration … causes an enormous drain on public services.” Citing the partisan Center for Immigration Studies, which favors restricting immigration, the legion says undocumented immigrants don’t pay nearly enough in taxes to compensate for the burden they place on public resources.
THE TRUTH: Undocumented immigrants are barred from receiving most forms of public assistance, other than public school education and emergency medical care. But they do pay taxes, including sales taxes, and often, through phony Social Security cards, payroll taxes. In 2005, The New York Times reported that undocumented immigrants contribute some $7 billion a year to the Social Security system that they will never be able to claim. Local and state governments, however, do not receive any benefit from that money and may, as a result, spend more on services to the undocumented than they get back in local taxes from them.

Rainmaker
08-13-2015, 11:17 PM
This has been an interesting thread, I feel like I've learned a lot in here today.

Careful. Don't read too much from non approved sources, you could inadvertently self radicalize and start having "incorrect thoughts".

In which case you'd have to turn yourself in to the authorities in the federal government for your own safety.

If you have questions about which sources are kosher for you to read, you can check with the self appointed experts over at The SPLC.

Absinthe Anecdote
08-13-2015, 11:23 PM
Careful. Don't read too much from non approved sources, you could inadvertently self radicalize and start having "incorrect thoughts". In which case you'd have to turn yourself in to the federal government for your own safety.

If you have questions about which sources are kosher for you to read, you can check with the experts at The SPLC.

Whatever.

You give me a hard time for prothelyzing atheism, but today we uncovered that you routinely peddle your SSPX hate speech in nearly every thread you touch.

Tsk Tsk...

Rainmaker
08-13-2015, 11:35 PM
I had to look it up as well.

Shhhhh. We're not supposed to talk about it....

Absinthe Anecdote
08-14-2015, 12:09 AM
I'd like to thank Bos Mutus and the SPLC for helping us uncover the source of Rainmaker's doctrine of hate against Israel and American Jews.

While we've all heard Rainmaker's core anti-Zionist message many times, he has been rather cryptic about the origin of it.

He often likes to claim that the majority of us have been brainwashed, but it is he who is repeating word-for-word a doctrine of hate from pre Vatican II propagandists.

If not for the SPLC's excellent resources on hate groups and Bos Mutus, we would not know where this hate preacher gets his marching orders.

Thanks Bos Mutus

Bos Mutus
08-14-2015, 12:13 AM
I'd like to thank Bos Mutus and the SPLC for helping us uncover the source of Rainmaker's doctrine of hate against Israel and American Jews.

While we've all heard Rainmaker's core anti-Zionist message many times, he has been rather cryptic about the origin of it.

He often likes to claim that the majority of us have been brainwashed, but it is he who is repeating word-for-word a doctrine of hate from pre Vatican II propagandists.

If not for the SPLC's excellent resources on hate groups and Bos Mutus, we would not know where this hate preacher gets his marching orders.

Thanks @Bos Mutus (http://forums.militarytimes.com/member.php?u=30622)

You're welcome...I never would've stumbled on it without you starting the thread.

See you in cafeteri..oh, er, uhm...I mean, I never met you but, cool.

Absinthe Anecdote
08-14-2015, 12:25 AM
You're welcome...I never would've stumbled on it without you starting the thread.

See you in cafeteri..oh, er, uhm...I mean, I never met you but, cool.

Right.

Rainmaker's group, the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) has been a damned big mystery on this forum. I'm happy to have played a small roll in uncovering it.

Now we know.

Absinthe Anecdote
08-14-2015, 12:35 AM
More information on SSPX:



Allegations of antisemitism

There have been statements by some members of the society which have been widely interpreted as antisemitic,[11][12] particularly regarding Holocaust denial.[13] The society itself denies the claim that anti-Semitism and anti-Judaism is rampant in important circles of the Society[14] The Society stated that it has lay supporters and even a priest with a Jewish background, a reference to Father Florian Abrahamowicz, whose views on the Jews have been interpreted as negative,[15][16] and who was expelled by the Italian chapter of the Society in February 2009.[17]

Bishop Richard Williamson

Main article: Richard Williamson (bishop)
The views of Bishop Williamson have been a particular source of controversy. For example, the bishop has written:

"However, until they re-discover their true Messianic vocation, they may be expected to continue fanatically agitating, in accordance with their false messianic vocation of Jewish world-dominion, to prepare the Anti-Christ's throne in Jerusalem. So we may fear their continuing to play their major part in the agitation of the East and in the corruption of the West. Here the wise Catholic will remember that, again, the ex-Christian nations have only their own Liberalism to blame for allowing free circulation within Christendom to the enemies of Christ."[18]

In an interview with Swedish Television in November 2008, whose broadcast on 21 January 2009, the date on which the Holy See lifted the excommunication of the four SSPX bishops, gained wide publicity, Williamson repeated his opinion that the generally accepted history of the Holocaust is wrong. He accepted an estimate of only 200,000-300,000 Jews who perished in Nazi concentration camps, and denied that any were killed in gas chambers.[19] Subsequently, former SSPX seminarians have come forward with additional information about Williamson's Jewish views. One former seminarian characterized Williamson as "a sick man" with "a horrible attitude toward women and a horrible attitude toward Jews." [20] The Vatican has repudiated Williamson's views as "intolerable and altogether unacceptable." [21]

Williamson's views on this and other subjects are controversial even within traditionalist Catholicism. After his interview, broadcast by Swedish Television on 21 January 2009, both the Superior General of the SSPX, Bishop Fellay, and the District Superior of the SSPX in Germany, Fr. Franz Schmidberger, stated that Williamson's views represented his own personal opinions;[22] and Bishop Fellay, as superior general of the Society, "prohibited him, pending any new orders, from taking any public positions on political or historical questions".[23]

Although the SSPX authorities have thus distinguished Williamson's views from those of the Society, the Anti-Defamation League has accused the Society of St. Pius X of being "mired in anti-Semitism",[24] and journalist John L. Allen, Jr. has said it would be misleading to consider Williamson an isolated case: Father Florian Abrahamowicz, who after being the superior in Italy has since been expelled from the Society, also said he was not sure the Nazis had used gas chambers for anything other than disinfection, seemed to cast doubt on the number of six million Jews killed, complained that the Jews had exalted the Holocaust above other genocides and called the Jews first "the people of God" and then the "people of deicide", to be converted to Jesus Christ at the end times.[25]

Williamson was forced out of the SSPX on October 23, 2012, for the "common good of the society", following his refusal to submit to the group's leadership.[26]

Paul Touvier

On May 24, 1989, Paul Touvier, a former secret police official for Petain's Government, was arrested in a Society priory in Nice. The SSPX stated at the time that Touvier had no link to the Society and had been allowed to stay at the Priory as, "an act of charity to a homeless man".[27] In 1994, Touvier was sentenced to life imprisonment for the 1944 summary execution of seven Jews at Rillieux-la-Pape. The massacre was a reprisal for the French Resistance's killing of Petain's Propaganda minister Philippe Henriot.[28] On his death in 1996, a Requiem Mass for the repose of Touvier's soul was offered by Father Philippe Laguérie,[29] an SSPX priest who was then the Rector of the Parisian church of St Nicolas du Chardonnet.[30]Like Fr. Aulagnier, however, Fr. Laguerie subsequently left the Society and founded the Institute of the Good Shepherd with Papal approval.

Southern Poverty Law Center report

The SSPX was also accused of anti-Semitism in a 2006 report on Traditionalist Catholicism published by the American Southern Poverty Law Center. Defenders of the SSPX have strongly criticised the report and accused the SPLC of using accusations of anti-Semitism as a means of "silencing opponents of liberalism."[31]

Newsletters and websites

The society was reported to have perpetuated the Jewish deicide and Jewish world domination plot canards in its official newsletters and on several of its websites internationally (although the offending websites have been removed since the controversy surrounding the bishops' reinstatement).[32]

The website of the SSPX in the United States carried a 1997 The Angelus article titled "The Mystery of the Jewish People in History"[33] which the Overland Express of Melbourne said "methodically repeats every slur of medieval anti-Semitism."[34] The piece was written by British priests Michael Crowdy and Kenneth Novak.[33]

Rainmaker
08-14-2015, 01:57 AM
You're welcome...I never would've stumbled on it without you starting the thread.

See you in cafeteri..oh, er, uhm...I mean, I never met you but, cool.

Jesus Mary and Joseph. You two idiot savants couldn't find your ass with a map and a search warrant.

Try to look at it again (from more than one angle) and this time try to employ some basic strategies to mitigate your horrible tendency to engage in confirmation bias.

http://www.negotiationlawblog.com/uploads/file/ConfBias.pdf

Bos Mutus
08-14-2015, 02:06 AM
Jesus Mary and Joseph. You two idiot savants couldn't find your ass with a map and a search warrant.

Try to look at it again (from more than one angle) and this time try to employ some basic strategies to mitigate your horrible tendency to engage in confirmation bias.

http://www.negotiationlawblog.com/uploads/file/ConfBias.pdf

I will try.

Thank you Father Bascio

Bos Mutus
08-14-2015, 02:31 AM
AA, Check this out




ANTI-IMMIGRANT NETWORK USES FAITH TO MASK HATEFUL AGENDA

The John Tanton Network has debuted its newest spin-off group. This time, instead of targeting environmentalists or progressives, they are trying to win over faithful Americans to their anti-immigrant agenda.

The group is called Catholics for a Moral Immigration Policy (CMIP). The public face of the organization includes a priest who, keeping with the Tanton Network’s history, has ties to controversial organizations like American Free Press – founded by notorious holocaust denier Willis Carto, and the white nationalist journal, The Social Contract, founded by John Tanton.

In fact, Social Contract’s bigot-in-chief, Wayne Lutton, personally helped Catholics for a Moral Immigration Policy (CMIP) get started at the Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington D.C. this past Friday. In addition to releasing racist publications, Wayne Lutton is also a Board of Director for the Charles Martel Society, an anti-Semitic organization that publishes the Occidental Quarterly. Lutton was also active with the overtly racist magazine American Renaissance and the flagship publication of the Council of Conservative Citizens. The Council of Conservative Citizens is the reconstituted, segregationist White Citizens’ Councils.

Catholics for a Moral Immigration Policy, which is also staffed by James C. Russell, may appear at first glance to be run by a few harmless, Christian academics who just happen to have a lot in common with the Tanton Network. However, CMIP has been strategically orchestrated by Tanton’s anti-immigrant movement to distract the public from some of its decidedly un-Catholic activities.

Sadly, this isn’t the first time James Russell or Father Patrick Bascio have dabbled in hate.

James Russell’s book, The Germanization of Early Medieval Christianity: A Sociohistorical Approach to Religious Transformation, I found was cited by several racist online publications, including Vdare.com and The Occidental Quarterly. Coincidentally, one of the only gushing reviews of Father Bascio’s book, On the immortality of Illegal Immigration, came from VDARE.com’s Brenda Walker. VDARE is named for Virginia Dare, allegedly the first white child born in the U.S. Brenda Walker is a prolific anti-immigrant blogger who uses racist and xenophobic outlets to spread her views. Walker was a featured presenter at last year’s “Preserving Western Civilization” conference in Baltimore, Maryland. The annual conference gathers a group of racist academics and anti-immigrant activists who focus on how the “massive influx” of “third-world immigrants” allegedly threatens American and European cultural values, as well as the dangers of Islam, and alleged racial differences in intelligence.

In 2009, Father Bascio’s book was sold on Amazon.com under the publisher American Free Press – the same publisher that persistently peddled anti-Semitic conspiracy theories post 9/11. Now it is sold as a revised edition under a different publisher. But the first few pages are filled with praise from a veritable all-star list of Tanton Network players. Otis Graham, an old friend of John Tanton and a board member for both organizations founded by Tanton, FAIR and Center for Immigration Studies, calls Bascio’s book “invaluable”. Leah Durant, the head of another Tanton front group, Progressives for Immigration Reform, says Bascio makes a “compelling case”. The book lists Vernon Briggs as a Cornell University professor, but conveniently omits that he is a board member with Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) and The Social Contract. Maybe that’s because the book’s other admirers include CIS fellow James R. Edwards, board chairman Peter Nunez, and former director David Simcox.

John Tanton, the founder of FAIR, has financially supported platforms to debate pseudo-scientific research (racial eugenics) purporting to show that African Americans and Latinos are mentally inferior to whites because of their genetic makeup. While the false science of racial eugenics lost respectability after the crimes of Nazi Europe in the 1940s, Tanton still clings to these beliefs. In The Case for Passive Eugenics, Tanton does not overtly distance himself from Adolf Hitler’s application of eugenics to “cleanse” the German population. He writes instead that “Hitler’s reign in Nazi Germany did little to advance the discussion of eugenics among sensitive persons.”

Then of course, there is long-time FAIR representative Rosanna Pulido who is well-known for her anti-catholic diatribes. As we reported in January, Pulido stated at a public forum in October 2007, “The Catholic Church is not Catholicism. It has nothing to do with Christianity or the Bible.”

Of the Catholic Church and immigration she stated at the same forum, “What better way to fill your pews and fill your offering coffers than with inviting in and giving sanctuary to illegal aliens.”

In March 2009, Pulido harshly criticized Chicago’s Cardinal George for his appeal for humanity on behalf of immigrants. She told ABC news, “Cardinal George is responsible for every illegal immigrant who dies while crossing the border coming over here because he is luring them.”

It is clear that CMIP is merely John Tanton and Co.’s latest puppet show. America’s Catholic communities have proven time and again that they reject anti-immigrant bigotry. Catholics for a Moral Immigration Policy does not speak for America’s faithful.

Absinthe Anecdote
08-14-2015, 02:35 AM
Jesus Mary and Joseph. You two idiot savants couldn't find your ass with a map and a search warrant.

Try to look at it again (from more than one angle) and this time try to employ some basic strategies to mitigate your horrible tendency to engage in confirmation bias.

http://www.negotiationlawblog.com/uploads/file/ConfBias.pdf

I've been reading your views on Zionism, globalization, international Jews, liberalism, and socialism for a couple of years now.

They are an exact match to the SSPX propaganda that we found today, word-for-word.

You've stated you follow a pre Vatican II form of Catholicism, just like SSPX.

You say you are in the American Legion, and then we also find propaganda from a segment of the American Legion that matches your views on immigration, word-for-word.

Are you denying this?

It is pretty clear to me that you swallowed a bunch of hateful ideology from fringe elements of SSPX and the American Legion.

That information that the SPLC has your political and world views nailed to the letter.

You know it is true, no use trying to hide it anymore.

Rainmaker
08-14-2015, 02:36 AM
While we've all heard Rainmaker's core anti-Zionist message many times, he has been rather cryptic about the origin of it.

He often likes to claim that the majority of us have been brainwashed, but it is he who is repeating word-for-word a doctrine of hate from pre Vatican II propagandists.

If not for the SPLC's excellent resources on hate groups and Bos Mutus, we would not know where this hate preacher gets his marching orders.

Thanks Bos Mutus

Ten's of Millions of Pre Vatican II Catholics were killed in the Socialist Atheist Hitler's Holocaust and in the Socialist Atheist Stalin's Gulags.

Thousands of pre- Vatican II "hate preachers" went to their graves saving jews. you can read about 5 of them here.

http://college.holycross.edu/faculty/vlapomar/hiatt/hero5.htm

Absinthe Anecdote
08-14-2015, 02:40 AM
Ten's of Millions of Pre Vatican II Catholics were killed in the Socialist Atheist Hitler's Holocaust and in the Socialist Atheist Stalin's Gulags.

Thousands of pre- Vatican II "hate preachers" went to their graves saving jews. you can read about 5 of them here.

http://college.holycross.edu/faculty/vlapomar/hiatt/hero5.htm

That isn't relevant to what we are talking about.

You have established yourself as anti-Zionist, and we have found your source material. Stay on topic please.

Bos Mutus
08-14-2015, 02:41 AM
Thousands of pre- Vatican II "hate preachers" went to their graves saving jews. you can read about 5 of them here.

http://college.holycross.edu/faculty/vlapomar/hiatt/hero5.htm

...even a Jesuit!!

Not to be technical...but since Vatican II was in 60s...weren't all Catholics during WWII "pre-Vatican II"

We're not talking about mainstream Catholics before Vatican II...we're talking about the fringe "pre-Vatican II" Catholics in the post-Vatican II era...entirely different.

Absinthe Anecdote
08-14-2015, 02:46 AM
...even a Jesuit!!

Not to be technical...but since Vatican II was in 60s...weren't all Catholics during WWII "pre-Vatican II"

We're not talking about mainstream Catholics before Vatican II...we're talking about the fringe "pre-Vatican II" Catholics in the post-Vatican II era...entirely different.

Excellent point.

Plus, all of the SSPX propaganda that Rainmaker was indoctrinated with happened well after WWII.

Bos Mutus
08-14-2015, 02:49 AM
Excellent point.

Plus, all of the SSPX propaganda that Rainmaker was indoctrinated with happened well after WWII.

My guess is that post was to hint that he's not really a holocaust denier like his pew buddies...

Bos Mutus
08-14-2015, 03:04 AM
After a little Google search...it seems an online "newspaper" called "The Remnant" is the mothership for the Radical Traditionalist Catholics.

Went to the site and one of the articles caught my eye:


Pagan Gaia Goes to Mass
What in the world is going on Praying to the Goddess Gaia at MASS? You know, twentieth century popes, saints, even the Mother of God warned that something was very wrong with Vatican II Michael Matt wonders why Catholics must still swear fidelity to the massively failed experiment in novelty called the Second Vatican Council whose evil spirit seems to be paving the way for a Catholic-free New World Order

Why did that seem so familiar?

Oh yeah


The Jesuit Anti-Pope will soon arrive to address the Congress critters on the immediate dangers of "Climate Change"

Rainmaker can forsee Millions of Millennial hipsters all lining up to volunteer to live in little yurts Mongolian style, so they can smoke Mary Jane and commune with Gaia

Absinthe Anecdote
08-14-2015, 03:13 AM
After a little Google search...it seems an online "newspaper" called "The Remnant" is the mothership for the Radical Traditionalist Catholics.

Went to the site and one of the articles caught my eye:



Why did that seem so familiar?

Oh yeah

Slam dunk!

Rainmaker likes to style himself as an independent thinker, but far from it. He has bought into someone else's propaganda.

MikeKerriii
08-14-2015, 03:24 AM
Shhhhh. We're not supposed to talk about it....

Why not it is just a Israeli version of Catholic "Apologetic's" No big deal and no secret.

Absinthe Anecdote
08-14-2015, 03:32 AM
Why not it is just a Israeli version of Catholic "Apologetic's" No big deal and no secret.

Let the experts handle this, besides you can be almost as bad as Rainmaker. The only difference is that you talk from the extreme left.

TJMAC77SP
08-14-2015, 03:43 AM
The IRA bombed and murdered my Ulster cousins. We can't help it if we got kicked out of Scotland.

The Ulster Scots were victimized by the crown and later the IRA.

Don't try to make light of the hardship my people faced.

EDIT:

I forgot, you are Boston Irish aren't you?

I wouldn't expect you to understand, it is an Orange thing.

Your people were moved to Ulster in a colonization effort in the 16th Century. From that time until the early 20th Century I guarantee you that any hard time was received by the Catholics in Ulster. They were an oppressed majority with near zero rights. Yes, at the beginning of the 20th Century and stretching until just a few years ago there were many atrocities committed by the IRA (and its offshoots). However, the UDF and other organization of their ilk gave back in kind.

Bos Mutus
08-14-2015, 03:47 AM
Slam dunk!

Rainmaker likes to style himself as an independent thinker, but far from it. He has bought into someone else's propaganda.

This whole thread is nominated for post of the year

@mjolnir

ah crap, I don't know how to do the mention link

Absinthe Anecdote
08-14-2015, 03:55 AM
Your people were moved to Ulster in a colonization effort in the 16th Century. From that time until the early 20th Century I guarantee you that any hard time was received by the Catholics in Ulster. They were an oppressed majority with near zero rights. Yes, at the beginning of the 20th Century and stretching until just a few years ago there were many atrocities committed by the IRA (and its offshoots). However, the UDF and other organization of their ilk gave back in kind.

I was just talking trash... I don't give a rat's ass about the UDF or Orangemen.

My ancestors were lowland scots that had their land seized and were forcibly relocated to Ulster... My particular family line left Ulster and went to Barbados as indentured servants right around 1600... Around 1650, my first American ancestor showed up in North Carolina from Barbados..

My connection to Ulster is negligible...

Bos Mutus
08-14-2015, 04:11 AM
Pope...hasbara....SSPX...Zionism....3,000 years....Remnant....Mossad agents...some other stuff that sounds familiar


http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2015/06/a-catholic-working-for-hasbara.html

Absinthe Anecdote
08-14-2015, 04:16 AM
This whole thread is nominated for post of the year

@mjolnir

ah crap, I don't know how to do the mention link

Rainmaker Unveiled

Bos Mutus
08-14-2015, 05:03 AM
Column in The Remnant on 'The Unholy Sacrament of Diversity Training'

http://www.remnantnewspaper.com/Archives/archive-2005-sacrament_of_diversity.htm

Disclaimer: I didn't read it, just am finding sport in googling Rainman's favorite terms along with 'Remnant' and finding a hit on every one

garhkal
08-14-2015, 05:15 AM
Who?

The head of the SPLC, or me?

My people have been in the U.S. since 1650, before that we were Ulster Scots.

So, you know a lot about the SPLC? Why is that?

I always thought they did good work, you don't like them?

Since they consider groups that promote religion as 'extremist', then i consider what they say with a TUB of salt.

TJMAC77SP
08-14-2015, 01:37 PM
I was just talking trash... I don't give a rat's ass about the UDF or Orangemen.

My ancestors were lowland scots that had their land seized and were forcibly relocated to Ulster... My particular family line left Ulster and went to Barbados as indentured servants right around 1600... Around 1650, my first American ancestor showed up in North Carolina from Barbados..

My connection to Ulster is negligible...

We were both playing a bit. I mean I am seriously Irish in heritage and went through a "the British are oppressors" phase as a teenager but then I grew up a bit. I have read a lot on the subject of 'The Troubles' out of interest but I really don't get lathered up about it.

Your family's history in the US is certainly longer than mine.

TJMAC77SP
08-14-2015, 01:41 PM
The SPLC has a few words to say about the American Legion

This is one example where I think the SPLC goes a bit too far or is perhaps a bit too liberal with their label of what is a 'hate group'.

Absinthe Anecdote
08-14-2015, 02:00 PM
This is one example where I think the SPLC goes a bit too far or is perhaps a bit too liberal with their label of what is a 'hate group'.

They didn't list the American Legion as a hate group, but took issue with a 34 page booklet published by the American Legion on immigration.



Since its founding nearly 90 years ago, the American Legion has been a fixture of community life. It has hosted Memorial Day parades to remember those who died in America’s wars. It has held bingo nights and dances at its 14,000-plus posts worldwide. It has supported thousands of Boy Scout groups, sponsored a baseball program that’s produced numerous professional players, and helped children living in poverty or with special needs. From World War II to the war in Iraq, the legion has fought to improve benefits for veterans and their families.

Now, America’s largest veterans organization has launched another campaign — a hard-line attack on undocumented immigrants that’s at odds with the legion’s mainstream image. As part of this effort, the legion, which purports to speak for 2.7 million members, recently issued a booklet that regurgitates discredited and often completely false information about how “illegals” are bringing crime, disease, and terrorism to this country, even as they wreck the economy for natives.

The legion’s 34-page booklet, A Strategy to Address Illegal Immigration in the United States, asserts that “poverty, political instability, disease and war” are “on our back doorstep” because of porous borders and the failure of the government to stringently enforce immigration laws. But in making its case, the legion repeatedly cites dubious sources, ignores well-known facts and makes baseless claims — such as the false assertion that the undocumented infected more than 7,000 people in America with leprosy during a recent three-year period.
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2008/07/16/american-legion-immigration-report-replete-falsehoods

Absinthe Anecdote
08-14-2015, 02:38 PM
We were both playing a bit. I mean I am seriously Irish in heritage and went through a "the British are oppressors" phase as a teenager but then I grew up a bit. I have read a lot on the subject of 'The Troubles' out of interest but I really don't get lathered up about it.

Your family's history in the US is certainly longer than mine.

I once made the mistake of referring to my ancestry as Scots-Irish in front of an Ulsterman. He didn't care for the term. He went on a rant about how Americans of Ulster heritage were ignorant of who they really are.

It is interesting but, after 400 years in the New World why should he be surprised? Scots-Irish is what the English called the Ulster who came over in the 1600s and the name stuck over here.

The ones who started going to the Caribbean were used as mercenaries and servants. After the Jamestown colony ramped up, Uslter was the source of many indentured servants for a few years.

I'm not surprised they shrugged of their past in Ulster, besides most of them ended up in Appalachia were it was all too easy to forget the past.

Researching my family history was fun, I have very solid information from 1650 onwards. The stuff about Barbados is sketchy, just a similar name but my surname is Galic it wasn't spelled consistently.

Absinthe Anecdote
08-14-2015, 02:50 PM
Column in The Remnant on 'The Unholy Sacrament of Diversity Training'

http://www.remnantnewspaper.com/Archives/archive-2005-sacrament_of_diversity.htm

Disclaimer: I didn't read it, just am finding sport in googling Rainman's favorite terms along with 'Remnant' and finding a hit on every one

I am confident that we have zeroed in on the source of Rainmaker's angst. I don't know why he went to such great lengths to obscure it with the homeboy talk and the garbled language of his posts.

For along time I suspected it was a militia group, but the language of traditional radical Catholics matches his narrative.

That stuff about Gaia you pulled about on his post was an excellent catch. I can remember scratching my head when he wrote that.

Rainmaker Unveiled, LOL.

TJMAC77SP
08-14-2015, 03:33 PM
They didn't list the American Legion as a hate group, but took issue with a 34 page booklet published by the American Legion on immigration.

You are right but it's published in their Hatewatch section which I find a bit extreme.

TJMAC77SP
08-14-2015, 03:36 PM
I once made the mistake of referring to my ancestry as Scots-Irish in front of an Ulsterman. He didn't care for the term. He went on a rant about how Americans of Ulster heritage were ignorant of who they really are.

It is interesting but, after 400 years in the New World why should he be surprised? Scots-Irish is what the English called the Ulster who came over in the 1600s and the name stuck over here.

The ones who started going to the Caribbean were used as mercenaries and servants. After the Jamestown colony ramped up, Uslter was the source of many indentured servants for a few years.

I'm not surprised they shrugged of their past in Ulster, besides most of them ended up in Appalachia were it was all too easy to forget the past.

Researching my family history was fun, I have very solid information from 1650 onwards. The stuff about Barbados is sketchy, just a similar name but my surname is Galic it wasn't spelled consistently.

Scots-Irish is still in heavy use here in NC. Jim Webb hosted a special (I think it was on PBS) about the history of the Scots-Irish in American. Was pretty interesting. I guess that is his heritage.

Absinthe Anecdote
08-14-2015, 03:47 PM
Scots-Irish is still in heavy use here in NC. Jim Webb hosted a special (I think it was on PBS) about the history of the Scots-Irish in American. Was pretty interesting. I guess that is his heritage.

I went to the big Scots-Irish Festival last year in NC and laughed at all the kilt wearers and people selling Irish trinkets.

The Scots-Irish who settled in North Carolina and Virginia didn't wear tartan kilts like highland Scots, but that stuff is just for fun, and the vendors make a lot of money.

Mjölnir
08-14-2015, 03:52 PM
Pope...hasbara....SSPX...Zionism....3,000 years....Remnant....Mossad agents...some other stuff that sounds familiar


http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2015/06/a-catholic-working-for-hasbara.html

That post just got you on a watch list.

Rainmaker
08-14-2015, 04:00 PM
You are right but it's published in their Hatewatch section which I find a bit extreme.

Yes, it's quite illuminating isn't it?

The next time Rainmaker stops over at Kirby Stewart post 24, to buy those patriots a round.

I'll make it a point to let them know that the communist Libtards over at the SPLC are smearing them in their "Hatewatch" section.

I'm sure it'll be good for a couple laughs.

TJMAC77SP
08-14-2015, 04:40 PM
I went to the big Scots-Irish Festival last year in NC and laughed at all the kilt wearers and people selling Irish trinkets.

The Scots-Irish who settled in North Carolina and Virginia didn't wear tartan kilts like highland Scots, but that stuff is just for fun, and the vendors make a lot of money.

Where was the festival? I went to one a few years ago in Charlotte and other than a band that was actually from Ireland, it was pretty much BS.

Absinthe Anecdote
08-14-2015, 04:49 PM
Where was the festival? I went to one a few years ago in Charlotte and other than a band that was actually from Ireland, it was pretty much BS.

Near Hickory. I forgot, what city are you in?

TJMAC77SP
08-14-2015, 08:32 PM
Near Hickory. I forgot, what city are you in?
I am near Charlotte. About an hour from Hickory

MikeKerriii
08-15-2015, 01:42 AM
Let the experts handle this, besides you can be almost as bad as Rainmaker. The only difference is that you talk from the extreme left.

Extreme left, I am bit to the right of the average Democrat on most issues, but on a board where the far right seems to be centrist I suppose you might see that as far left.

If you family came into the states in the 1650, your family have not suffered much under the Irish Catholics a 40 years at most and that nearly 400 years ago.


And as an aside: who in the hell gave you the authority to tell anyone to shut up here?