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Absinthe Anecdote
07-21-2015, 07:30 PM
The best argument against Christianity is the story of Christianity.

In another thread, some of our God fearing posters were making fun of Islam's 72 virgins.

Well I've got news for you Christians, Islam draws from the very same source material as Christainity and Judaism.

The absurdity of the Christian bible is laid out for you in this 25 point checklist.

It is every bit as silly, illogical and dumb as the promise of 72 virgins.




A checklist for God's perfect plan

http://www.atheismresource.com/2012/the-best-argument-against-christianity-is-the-story-of-christianity

1. Decide to arrange for something other than yourself to exist.

2. Create a being by the name of Lucifer with full knowledge that this being will betray you and ultimately cause an infinite amount of suffering unnecessarily.

3. Allow an unfathomably horrific dimension of existence known as ‘hell’ to emerge created by yourself or perhaps Lucifer and allow that dimension to continue existing. Do not override or prevent such a thing. It will come into play later

4. Create objective unchanging moral prescriptions and base them upon whatever your nature happens to be and then label any action or thought contrary to these standards ‘sin’.

5. Be sure to include in these moral prescriptions edits for social and psychological health such as encouragement to beat ones children with a rod, permission to buy and sell slaves and will them as property to ones children for life, requirement that women not be allowed to teach or have authority over men and of course the instruction to kill anyone who expresses interest in worshiping other gods.

6. Design a physical universe, planets, animals and vegetation all with the appearance of age be sure to include in your creation biological flaws redundancies and over-complications that appear as if they were the product of blind cumulative processes, perhaps a urinary tract that runs straight through the prostate gland or a unnecessary appendix prone to inflation and rupturing, or maybe a respiratory and digestive system forced to share the same plumbing, (these are just a few working ideas).

7. Create a garden with a tree in it bearing fruit that when eaten provides knowledge of your objective moral standards, and create two sentient cognitive beings without knowledge or awareness of these standards and instruct them not to eat from the tree which would enlighten them (in other words, arrange it so that only AFTER they eat from the tree are they capable of understanding that doing so was a violation of objective moral standards).

8. Warn these cognitive beings that they will undoubtedly die if they eat from this tree, but don’t follow through if they do, then endow a reptile with vocal cords, lips or some other means of speaking audibly to your cognitive beings enabling it to make a convincing case to one of them for eating from the tree. Do not prevent this or intervene.

9. Now by this point make sure your cognitive beings have been equipped for reproducing themselves and multiplying, and because one of them has sinned, arrange that every single one of their descendants until the end of time will be born with an inherited sinful nature, defaulting in a future of everlasting torment. Do not by any means allow each of them to be born with a clean slate and the capacity for living a sin-free life if they desire as you did with your first two prototypes.

10. Endow these cognitive beings with a ‘soul’ which keeps their thoughts and feelings and other cognitive faculties in existence forever one way or another. And then allow the sinfulness of these beings to be incompatible with your presence and let hell be the only other place that they can go once they exit the the physical world, do not make any attempt to spare these souls the eternal torment of hell such as allowing souls to stop existing all together or creating additional realm for them to reside besides with you or in hell.

11. Over time allow these beings to populate the earth you’ve creating, knowing with infallible certainty of course that after so many generations they will disappointed you enough that you find it necessary to kill all of them in a global flood and start all over from scratch.

12. Now when this happens (again right on schedule) make an exception for one small family of cognitive beings who you deem righteous of course it goes without saying that powers of omnipotence allow you to know, again, with infallible certainty that this family to will ultimately disappointing in the same way that those who you drowned, rendering the entire endeavor futile, but for now it’s best that you pretend not to know that.

13. Instruct this small disappointment of a family to populate the entire world all over again by way of incest.

14. Declare that until further notice the only way for these cognitive beings to rectify their sinful nature while on earth is to preform ritual animal sacrifice’s and other acts of senseless violence, additionally when certain sins are committed by any one of your cognitive beings demand that the surrounding community kill that being themselves.

15. In the meantime perform many epic miracles for all to see and intervene often with your physical creations, stop the sun in the sky, part the red sea, turn rivers into blood, and women into pillars of salt, give men superhuman strength, speak to the thousands with a booming voice from heaven etc, but before these cognitive beings become advanced enough in the area’s of science and communication that they could actually document, share, playback and verify these epic miracles, make sure you stop performing them all together .

16. Decide at some point that the most pressing of your objective moral prescriptions are not as obvious to these cognitive beings as you once thought, take this opportunity to chisel your top ten moral concerns into two tablets of stone and commission one of your cognitive beings to deliver these tablets to the masses, (Note to self: Roughly half of these moral concerns should center around pleasing you, praising you and remaining loyal to you)

17. After several thousand years impregnate one of these cognitive beings so that she gives birth to your son in physical form, who also happens to be you, at the same time.

18. Allow this cognitive being who is your son but also you to grow up and make several revisions to you/your son’s original standards of morality then arrange for other cognitive beings to torture and kill you/your son, authorize this sacrifice of yourself as a means of granting all other cognitive beings immunity from the consequences of their sinful nature, which you allowed them to be born with in the first place.

19. Do not however make this sacrifice free, establish that none of these cognitive beings shall be eligible for benefits of this sacrifice unless they actively believed that it happened, in other words, despite the quality of their intentions any cognitive beings henceforth who finds themselves unconvinced these events actually took place, is unwittingly designating themselves for the endless suffering of hell.

20. With that established, be sure to refrain from making it clear and knowable to the rest of the world that these events actually took place, ensure that no cognitive being after the first century has the luxury of witnessing your son who is also you say or do anything to indicate he was a living guy. Again, make sure that all of this occurs before advancements in science and technology are available to verify for those who aren’t present.

21. Arrange so that the only surviving record of these events will be offered anonymously by non-eye witness’s translated to a language different from the one you/ your son will speak written no earlier than thirty years after you/your son preformed these miracles and makes these clams, however do make sure that these records feature the precept that believing in something without evidence is morally superior to investigation and verification.

22. Be sure that after only a few decades the only accounts of these events in existence are copies of copies of copies which will be verifiably altered and added to in historically and theologically significant ways from generation to generation, sect to sect. Do not preserve the original copies of these accounts, do not protect them from revision, do not set in place any mechanism of protecting them from being interpreted in hundreds upon hundreds of ways most of which being heretical and therefore punishable.

23. Do not bother to employ your omniscience in such a way as to discern which of these cognitive beings are truly rebelling, and which simply don’t know how to distinguish you from other versions of god which do not in fact exist.

24. Do not make it clear to these beings that you are are even here. Allow for your very existence to remain an easily debatable, easily questionable, easily doubtable proposition, allow billions and billions of souls to be unthinkably tortured for all of eternity regardless of their character, integrity, bravery, responsibility or conduct because they had not correctly assumed that the right set of propositions were true by the time their lives on earth were over.

25. And finally… when all is said and done demand that you be praised for this plan.

Rainmaker
07-21-2015, 07:45 PM
The absurdity of the Christian bible is laid out for you in this 25 point checklist.



ZZZZZZZZZZZ...... I thought you were supposed to be an Intel weenie? Can't we get this on a PowerPoint slide instead?

What is it with you secular liberal Jews and these forum posts that take longer to read than Leo Tolstoy's War and Peace ??

This trash is reminicient of Bos Mutus and his 5000 word dissertation on why the American citizenry no longer trusts the government to tell them the truth.

Absinthe Anecdote
07-21-2015, 08:10 PM
zzzzz. I thought you were an Intel weenie? Can we get this on a PowerPoint slide instead?

What is it with you secular liberal Jews and these posts that take longer to read than war and peace??

..This garbage is reminicient of Bos Mutus and his 5000 word dissertation on why the American citizenry no longer trusts the government to tell the truth.

Here is a 9 minute video of it.


http://youtu.be/DvRPbsXBVBo

PS

I am not a Jew, I was born into a Christian family.

I became an atheist by intently studying Christianity over the course of a couple of decades.

Rainmaker
07-21-2015, 08:51 PM
PS

I am not a Jew

Give it up man. You've been made. Most of Your posts have Hasbara markers all over them. The biggest flag being your constantly trying to tie Christianity back to the Old Testament "violent tribes of the desert".

When in-fact you know that Paul tells us in acts that the term Christian was first given to describe Pagan Gentiles at Antioch Syria. Christianity and Judaism are apples and oranges. They couldn't be more different.


I was born into a Christian family.

Then you should know that the Old Testament is Obsolete and that what Christ taught (The Promise) was a radical departure from what the Pharisees taught (The law), which is why they hated him (just like you do). Christ only became violent one time. Care to tell us Christians when exactly that was?


I became an atheist by intently studying Christianity over the course of a couple of decades.

That will happen if you chose to study it solely as an historical text. The Stories and parables throughout the Bible are an extended metaphor for the reality of all Humanity (God's true chosen) personified in the Old Testament as the Israelites. Do you throw out all meaning from Everything Plato teaches us because it's a fictional work?

Truth is timeless and is that which does not change and it doesn't answer to reason alone. You are zealot. Repent. or don't Rainmaker don't really care, cause you're gonna get there anyway. The southern Baptist Bitch wasn't all that anyway. G-d/YWHY or whatever you guys call him did you a really big favor. You should be thanking him instead of persecuting him. Nomsayin?.

Absinthe Anecdote
07-21-2015, 08:55 PM
Whats obvious that lacking a higher power everthing is pretty much pointless. You live, you die, no right, no wrong because death is the only endstate of our existance. Everything becomes relative with all points of view valid and justifiable.


I'm responding in this thread instead of the General Odierno thread.

Please explain how the existence of a higher power makes life have a point?

No right or wrong without God? Really?

I have morals and a sense of right and wrong without God.

Actually, the Christian God behaves like a genocidal maniac in the bible. He does horrendous things that I'd never do.

Have you even read the bible?

According to Christians, the point of life is to end up in a golden city where you will praise God for the rest of eternity. According to the bible, you are endlessly singing "he is holy, he is holy" over and over again.

That adds zero meaning to my life.

I add meaning in my life by trying to maximize the happiness of myself and others. I also try to minimize pain and suffering with my limited abilities.

I enjoy the beauty and companionship of a good woman,, I tried to set my offspring up for successful and happy lives.

I try to be a good member of my community and help others be happy too.

I enjoy good meals and nice weather because I know one day I will die and my life will be over.

The existence of a "higher power" who remains hidden and silent gives no meaning to my existence at all.

The fact that this "higher power" chooses to only communicate to humanity via ancient texts that are extremely violent and often of questionable morals makes his existence worthy of incredible doubt. Yet he chooses to punish those who don't believe with the horrors of hell.

Who is this "higher power" you speak of? Is he the God that alcoholics pray to when they hit rock bottom?

How does he add purpose to the universe?

Why is he such a lousy communicator if he wants us to know and love him?

Absinthe Anecdote
07-21-2015, 09:36 PM
Give it up man. You've been made. Most of Your posts have Hasbara markers all over them. The biggest flag being your constantly trying to tie Christianity back to the Old Testament "violent tribes of the desert".

When in-fact you know that Paul tells us in acts that the term Christian was first given to describe Pagan Gentiles at Antioch Syria. Christianity and Judaism are apples and oranges. They couldn't be more different.



Then you should know that the Old Testament is Obsolete and that what Christ what teaching (Promise) was a radical departure from what the Pharisees taught (law), which is why they hated him (just like you do). Christ only became violent one time. Care to tell us Christians when that was?



That will happen if you study it solely as an historical text. The Stories and parables throughout the Bible are an extended metaphor for the reality of Humanity (God's chosen)personified in the Old Testament as the Israelites. Do you throw out all meaning from Everything Plato teaches because it's a fictional work?

Truth is timeless and is that which does not change and it doesn't answer to reason alone. You are zealot. Repent. or don't Rainmaker don't really care, cause you're gonna get there anyway. The southern Baptist Bitch wasn't all that anyway. G-d/YWHY or whatever you guys call him did you a really big favor. You should be thanking him. Nomsayin?.

No, I don't know what you are saying because you rarely take the time to post coherent thoughts without a bunch of nonsense being added as a poor attempt at humor.

Your contention that the entire Old Testament is obsolete is incorrect.

The popular viewpoint is that the Old Testament Law set forward, primarily in the book of Leviticus is obsolete. The laws about animal sacrifice, circumcision, dietary restrictions, commonly referred to as the laws of Moses and Abraham.

Most mainstream Christians cite Hebrews 8:13 as the source of such a belief.

While many Christian scholars maintain the laws are obsolete, it in no way means the entire story of God as contained in the Old Testament is wrong. I call the God of the bible violent, because he was extremely violent, vengeful and jealous.

You haven't studied the bible, it is very obvious that you are only parroting bits and pieces of what you have heard others say.

Spend a little more time reading your bible and its fairy tales from the violent desert of the Bronze Age.

Mjölnir
07-21-2015, 09:43 PM
Folks, cease the personal insults etc.

Absinthe Anecdote
07-21-2015, 10:14 PM
Folks, cease the personal insults etc.

Because RM called me a Jew?

I don't consider that an insult.

I only objected to clarify my religious background.

As far as me criticizing RM's coherence and humor, I'm guilty of that.

Absinthe Anecdote
07-21-2015, 10:24 PM
So you believe that the existence of human beings just happened by chance? It's just dumb luck, right? That I think is just plain ridiculous.

What is wrong with not knowing how we got here?

The question of our existence should not lead us to believe in the explanation put forward by a bunch of violent tribal chieftains from the Bronze Age.

Rainmaker
07-21-2015, 10:37 PM
Because RM called me a Jew?

I don't consider that an insult.

I only objected to clarify my religious background.

As far as me criticizing RM's coherence and humor, I'm guilty of that.

It's not meant to be an insult. It's simply a matter of fact.

However, the mods have to say that, otherwise they could be held liable for tolerating "hate speech".

Which is a made up word used by Marxist subversive agitators to try and silence anyone that states the obvious. Rainmaker out//

Absinthe Anecdote
07-22-2015, 12:18 AM
It's not meant to be an insult. It's simply a matter of fact.

However, the mods have to say that, otherwise they could be held liable for tolerating "hate speech".

Which is a made up word used by Marxist subversive agitators to try and silence anyone that states the obvious. Rainmaker out//

It is a matter of fact that I am not a Jew.

I've only been in a synagogue twice, and those were tours of historic synagogues.

Rainmaker
07-22-2015, 02:24 AM
by a bunch of violent tribal chieftains from the Bronze Age.

Tell us again, cause I missed it. Did Christ ever become violent?

Bos Mutus
07-22-2015, 02:27 AM
When did Christ become violent?
When he ran roughshod through the temple throwing over the merchant tables...equivalent to today's Church bulletin boards

Rainmaker
07-22-2015, 02:42 AM
..equivalent to today's Church bulletin boards

Not Hardly Bos.... The money changers were the banksters of that day. They had created a special silver coin called the "half shekel of the sanctuary". Even the poor had to have some of these coins to pay their temple tax. So, the money changers could charge whatever " the market" would bear. This monopoly on money was nothing less than stealing from the poorest on their holiest ground. This outraged Jesus just as it would outrage the senators of the roman republic a few years later.

Absinthe Anecdote
07-22-2015, 02:45 AM
Tell us again, cause I missed it. Did Christ ever become violent?

Bos Mustus is right, there is the money changers incident.

I don't know if you consider killing a fig tree violent, but he did that once too.

He was hungry and there were no figs on the tree, so he cursed it and caused it to wither and die on the spot.

It is debatable if that counts as violence, but it was certainly a childish thing to do.

Maybe the time he drove a herd of swine into the sea and drowned them counts?

What are you getting at?

Absinthe Anecdote
07-22-2015, 02:48 AM
Not Hardly Bos.... The money changers were the banksters of that day. They had created a special silver coin called the "half shekel of the sanctuary". Even the poor had to have some of these coins to pay their temple tax. So, the money changers could charge whatever " the market" would bear. This monopoly on money was nothing less than stealing from the poorest on their holiest ground. This outraged Jesus just as it would outrage the senators of the roman republic a few years later.

He not only went after the money changers, but also those who sold pigeons, goats and oxen for making burnt offerings.

Bos Mutus
07-22-2015, 03:00 AM
He not only went after the money changers, but also those who sold pigeons, goats and oxen for making burnt offerings.

I wanna say there are some non-canonical texts that have Jesus killing a bunch of people...I know there are some Jewish "sects" that pretty much believe he was a terrorist that killed a lot of other Jews.

I know we've discussed that on here a couple years ago...

Absinthe Anecdote
07-22-2015, 03:21 AM
I wanna say there are some non-canonical texts that have Jesus killing a bunch of people...I know there are some Jewish "sects" that pretty much believe he was a terrorist that killed a lot of other Jews.

I know we've discussed that on here a couple years ago...

I don't know what RM's point is, but I think he is trying to say that Jesus makes the Old Testament God null and void.

He doesn't, he represents a new covenant between man and God.

My statement about "violent tribal chieftains from the Bronze Age" was referring to the men who wrote the Old Testament.

Of course none of this myth is true, but if one believes in the Christian God they are believing in a view of the universe that was devised by very primitive and violent men.

The writers of the New Testament did a slightly better job, but it is still very apparent that primitive people wrote that story.

Even Jesus appears to condone slavery.

Rainmaker
07-22-2015, 04:49 AM
I don't know what RM's point is, but I think he is trying to say that Jesus makes the Old Testament God null and void.

He doesn't, he represents a new covenant between man and God.

My statement about "violent tribal chieftains from the Bronze Age" was referring to the men who wrote the Old Testament.

Of course none of this myth is true, but if one believes in the Christian God they are believing in a view of the universe that was devised by very primitive and violent men.

The writers of the New Testament did a slightly better job, but it is still very apparent that primitive people wrote that story.

Even Jesus appears to condone slavery.

Man, You guys are working into the early hours of the morning, there in Tel Aviv.... Spamming the forum with dozens of Anti-Christian Hate Speech posts.....

See Folks, another clear marker of this mafia is how they always respond to every post that questions their Anti-Christ/ Anti-Constitution narrative in mass group attacks like the pack of jackals they are.... this is designed to direct attention away from anyone stating the truth in plain English.... The point is this Abs..... WE CAN SEE THROUGH YOUR LIES!

Mjölnir
07-22-2015, 03:03 PM
Because RM called me a Jew?


However, the mods have to say that, otherwise they could be held liable for tolerating "hate speech".

No, but is really not the point of MTF for any conversation to morph into the same bickering between two people.

The warnings have been numerous, in various threads for a while and the effect is becoming cumulative.

MitchellJD1969
07-23-2015, 07:24 PM
I'm responding in this thread instead of the General Odierno thread.

Please explain how the existence of a higher power makes life have a point?

No right or wrong without God? Really?

I have morals and a sense of right and wrong without God.

Actually, the Christian God behaves like a genocidal maniac in the bible. He does horrendous things that I'd never do.

Have you even read the bible?

According to Christians, the point of life is to end up in a golden city where you will praise God for the rest of eternity. According to the bible, you are endlessly singing "he is holy, he is holy" over and over again.

That adds zero meaning to my life.

I add meaning in my life by trying to maximize the happiness of myself and others. I also try to minimize pain and suffering with my limited abilities.

I enjoy the beauty and companionship of a good woman,, I tried to set my offspring up for successful and happy lives.

I try to be a good member of my community and help others be happy too.

I enjoy good meals and nice weather because I know one day I will die and my life will be over.

The existence of a "higher power" who remains hidden and silent gives no meaning to my existence at all.

The fact that this "higher power" chooses to only communicate to humanity via ancient texts that are extremely violent and often of questionable morals makes his existence worthy of incredible doubt. Yet he chooses to punish those who don't believe with the horrors of hell.

Who is this "higher power" you speak of? Is he the God that alcoholics pray to when they hit rock bottom?

How does he add purpose to the universe?

Why is he such a lousy communicator if he wants us to know and love him?

I really dont care about your feelings towards the christian god...or islam or buddism or whatever...though it does sound like you have some anger isssues towards the christian god....but thats neither here nor there.

What makes you think that you are right? How is your point of view superior to another persons? And on what authority can you claim to be right or even impose that view on another?