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garhkal
07-17-2015, 06:14 PM
Firstly, my thoughts and condolences are with the families of the 4 deceased and with the family of the one injured Naval member..

Now that said, lets get to certain matters relating to it..

Today's Fox news was rife with comments criticizing social media, and saying that "if the govt can go after Hobby lobby" even to the point of considering them enemy #1 (supposedly) that why can't they do the same to all these social media sites, hosting or otherwise allowing radicalization of their users?

Additionally, they were calling into question the 1992 Bush Sr's order disallowing troops on base who have a personally owned and licensed gun to be allowed to carry it on base. The same was called into question after 13's shooting in the Washington shipyard massacre.
So would you be for or against them repealing that law/?

MitchellJD1969
07-17-2015, 10:31 PM
I think the left was disappointed that the scum wasnt a white mail waving the confederate flag.

Some interesting comments from Huffpo:


Tom Boone
These are domestic terrorists attacks on our federal government. Sponsored in large part by the right wing extremists in the republican party. This is the result of the rhetoric from the likes of Donald Trump, Fox News, republican congress, right wing radio. Sow the seed and bear fruit. Welcome to your rhetoric GOP.
Joe Denney ·
Sales Advisor at Costco



Ken Rubenstein ·
Works at Self-Employed

Another 2nd Amendment practitioner. Oh well, maybe he was planning to start a militia at some point.



Tommy Morris ·
University of Dallas

I have a couple of predictions myself:
1. The perpetrator is white. If the perpetrator was non-white a picture would be flashed across ALL media by now.
2. Because the perpetrator is white it CANNOT be terrorism. Only people of color committ acts of terrorism. And, only WHITES can be terrorized.
3. The shooter is MENTALLY DISTURBED and not a "THUG".


Just a few samples from the first 30 or so comments....sad cat is sad...no white devil to blame...Mike are you sad?

Though I remember one commentator trying to say that the man might have been a white arab. Another saying he might have been a white man who converted to islam and was butthurt about the gay marriage ruling..im sure many more excellent examples exist. I shudder to think what was said at the Daily Kos or the Democratic Underground.....Im sure vaccinations would be needed after reading those comments.

The left preaches tolerance but they are some of the meanest and nastiest bastards out there. So to the Left....FU

That being said....my thoughts and prayers to the families of the fallen Marines.

MikeKerriii
07-18-2015, 01:47 AM
Firstly, my thoughts and condolences are with the families of the 4 deceased and with the family of the one injured Naval member..

Now that said, lets get to certain matters relating to it..

Today's Fox news was rife with comments criticizing social media, and saying that "if the govt can go after Hobby lobby" even to the point of considering them enemy #1 (supposedly) that why can't they do the same to all these social media sites, hosting or otherwise allowing radicalization of their users?

Additionally, they were calling into question the 1992 Bush Sr's order disallowing troops on base who have a personally owned and licensed gun to be allowed to carry it on base. The same was called into question after 13's shooting in the Washington shipyard massacre.
So would you be for or against them repealing that law/?
Even Before Bushes order, troops didn't normally walk around installations armed and carrying private firearms was forbidden. At least since the end of WWI if not before

I think the the dimwitted politicians on both sides should simply let the military decide how to handle it since so few of them have a clue about what is involved

MikeKerriii
07-18-2015, 01:50 AM
I think the left was disappointed that the scum wasnt a white mail waving the confederate flag.

Some interesting comments from Huffpo:


Tom Boone
These are domestic terrorists attacks on our federal government. Sponsored in large part by the right wing extremists in the republican party. This is the result of the rhetoric from the likes of Donald Trump, Fox News, republican congress, right wing radio. Sow the seed and bear fruit. Welcome to your rhetoric GOP.
Joe Denney ·
Sales Advisor at Costco



Ken Rubenstein ·
Works at Self-Employed

Another 2nd Amendment practitioner. Oh well, maybe he was planning to start a militia at some point.



Tommy Morris ·
University of Dallas

I have a couple of predictions myself:
1. The perpetrator is white. If the perpetrator was non-white a picture would be flashed across ALL media by now.
2. Because the perpetrator is white it CANNOT be terrorism. Only people of color committ acts of terrorism. And, only WHITES can be terrorized.
3. The shooter is MENTALLY DISTURBED and not a "THUG".


Just a few samples from the first 30 or so comments....sad cat is sad...no white devil to blame...Mike are you sad?

Though I remember one commentator trying to say that the man might have been a white arab. Another saying he might have been a white man who converted to islam and was butthurt about the gay marriage ruling..im sure many more excellent examples exist. I shudder to think what was said at the Daily Kos or the Democratic Underground.....Im sure vaccinations would be needed after reading those comments.

The left preaches tolerance but they are some of the meanest and nastiest bastards out there. So to the Left....FU

That being said....my thoughts and prayers to the families of the fallen Marines.

Terrorist attack in the United States tend to come from radical Islamists and radical conservatives. I wasn't hoping for it to be either but the odds were about even. My first thought was Muslim extremist my second was some Jade Helm nut-bag.

Mjölnir
07-18-2015, 02:28 AM
Terrorist attack in the United States tend to come from radical Islamists and radical conservatives.

There are several radical left-wing groups too:

Animal Liberation Front
Earth Liberation Front

The FBI tracks the Black Panthers as an extremest group and their activities in the 70s and 80s would today classify them in the 'terrorist' category.

The current FBI list of most wanted terrorists contains 28 names, 26 are Middle Eastern and 2 are leftist domestic terrorists (one who fled to Cuba after murdering a police officer.)

Not trying to prop up the right-wing side, but extremism (right, left, religious, etc.) is generally bad and a breeding ground for people to justify illegal acts.

MikeKerriii
07-18-2015, 04:47 AM
There are several radical left-wing groups too:

Animal Liberation Front
Earth Liberation Front

The FBI tracks the Black Panthers as an extremest group and their activities in the 70s and 80s would today classify them in the 'terrorist' category.

The current FBI list of most wanted terrorists contains 28 names, 26 are Middle Eastern and 2 are leftist domestic terrorists (one who fled to Cuba after murdering a police officer.)

Not trying to prop up the right-wing side, but extremism (right, left, religious, etc.) is generally bad and a breeding ground for people to justify illegal acts.

I agree the Black Pather were bad news, even if now they are mostly aa joke. Few of the ones that could legitamate be called terrorists are still alive now and those are geriatrics

But all the leftist radical group pale when pale before the grand history of the oldest terrorist group operating in American the KKK.

FLAPS, USAF (ret)
07-18-2015, 05:00 AM
I think the left was disappointed that the scum wasnt a white mail waving the confederate flag.

Some interesting comments from Huffpo:


Tom Boone
These are domestic terrorists attacks on our federal government. Sponsored in large part by the right wing extremists in the republican party. This is the result of the rhetoric from the likes of Donald Trump, Fox News, republican congress, right wing radio. Sow the seed and bear fruit. Welcome to your rhetoric GOP.
Joe Denney ·
Sales Advisor at Costco



Ken Rubenstein ·
Works at Self-Employed

Another 2nd Amendment practitioner. Oh well, maybe he was planning to start a militia at some point.



Tommy Morris ·
University of Dallas

I have a couple of predictions myself:
1. The perpetrator is white. If the perpetrator was non-white a picture would be flashed across ALL media by now.
2. Because the perpetrator is white it CANNOT be terrorism. Only people of color committ acts of terrorism. And, only WHITES can be terrorized.
3. The shooter is MENTALLY DISTURBED and not a "THUG".


Just a few samples from the first 30 or so comments....sad cat is sad...no white devil to blame...Mike are you sad?

Though I remember one commentator trying to say that the man might have been a white arab. Another saying he might have been a white man who converted to islam and was butthurt about the gay marriage ruling..im sure many more excellent examples exist. I shudder to think what was said at the Daily Kos or the Democratic Underground.....Im sure vaccinations would be needed after reading those comments.

The left preaches tolerance but they are some of the meanest and nastiest bastards out there. So to the Left....FU

That being said....my thoughts and prayers to the families of the fallen Marines.

You should check out Salon.com. Those wackjob leftists are in complete denial, to the extent of blasting Fox news and other conservative outlets for even suggesting this attack had anything to do with Islam. These people (Salon fans) absolutely HATE America. It's unbelievable.

FLAPS, USAF (ret)
07-18-2015, 05:02 AM
Terrorist attack in the United States tend to come from radical Islamists and radical conservatives. I wasn't hoping for it to be either but the odds were about even. My first thought was Muslim extremist my second was some Jade Helm nut-bag.

Let's make a deal. I'll admit there are right-wing radicals with terrorist tendencies (because there are), if you admit we are at war (or should be) with radical Islam. Except the big difference is, radical Islam is controlling entire nations, and are threatening overrunning others. Hardly a comparison between the nut job fringe groups in the US and the threat Islam poses to the entire free world.

garhkal
07-18-2015, 06:24 AM
I think the left was disappointed that the scum wasnt a white mail waving the confederate flag.


Wouldn't surprise me one bit..

But as to his ancestry, according to both CNN and fox at around 1:20, he was Kuwaiti born, naturalized in the US. And now they are looking into his recent trip to Jordan (which is a hop, skip and a jump over into ISIS held territory in Syria)..


But all the leftist radical group pale when pale before the grand history of the oldest terrorist group operating in American the KKK.


Which was founded, started and ran by Democrats, NOT conservative republicans.

FLAPS, USAF (ret)
07-18-2015, 01:46 PM
Which was founded, started and ran by Democrats, NOT conservative republicans.

According to Wikepedia, "The Ku Klux Klan (KKK), or simply "the Klan", includes three distinct movements in the United States. The first sought to overthrow the Republican state governments in the South during the Reconstruction Era, especially by violence against African American leaders."

Yeah, he's right. The OTHER leftist terrorist groups pale in comparison to THEIR granddaddy of all US terrorist groups.

garhkal
07-18-2015, 05:54 PM
DOubt the left would ever admit to that though.

MikeKerriii
07-18-2015, 08:19 PM
Let's make a deal. I'll admit there are right-wing radicals with terrorist tendencies (because there are), if you admit we are at war (or should be) with radical Islam. Except the big difference is, radical Islam is controlling entire nations, and are threatening overrunning others. Hardly a comparison between the nut job fringe groups in the US and the threat Islam poses to the entire free world.

I have never doubted we are at war with Radical Islam, s doing so is silly. I just think we are ate war with all Muslims. the guy across the street from me is not my enemy. Radical Islam has controlled whole countries in the middle east f d for nearly a entry, since the Brits b put the fanatical House of Saudi in charge in The Arabian peninsula. The Wahhabi hate has spread financed and supported By the Saudi
Islam is controlling whole countries across the oceans, the KKK and its ilk are killing people in the US.

Have I every said a single thing that implied that I doubted radical Islam is our enemy? I just think that we have both internal enemies and extremal enemies of many types and to the average American more danger is posed by the internal ones.

MikeKerriii
07-18-2015, 08:43 PM
DOubt the left would ever admit to that though.

You think there is anything like a unified left something solid enough to be called " the left". ROTFLMAO

MikeKerriii
07-18-2015, 08:46 PM
According to Wikepedia, "The Ku Klux Klan (KKK), or simply "the Klan", includes three distinct movements in the United States. The first sought to overthrow the Republican state governments in the South during the Reconstruction Era, especially by violence against African American leaders."

Yeah, he's right. The OTHER leftist terrorist groups pale in comparison to THEIR granddaddy of all US terrorist groups.

In the age of the X Dixiecrats the Klan was democratic, but them Came the Republican Southern Strategy an the KKK moved to the Republicans along with vile scum like Strom Thurmond, you would have a valid point is your point did not require ignoring the last 50 years.

TJMAC77SP
07-18-2015, 10:08 PM
In the age of the X Dixiecrats the Klan was democratic, but them Came the Republican Southern Strategy an the KKK moved to the Republicans along with vile scum like Strom Thurmond, you would have a valid point is your point did not require ignoring the last 50 years.

Aside from your usual limited view of history you really are a slave to the notion that people are all of one thing or another. They are complete vile scum bags or not. I wonder if you would sustain the same judgment. I wouldn't.

BTW. On a side note, your typing still makes your posts very hard to read. We already know you only have the use of fours fingers. Have heard it more than once. Type with two fingers. There is no clock on how long it takes you to post.

MikeKerriii
07-19-2015, 02:13 AM
Aside from your usual limited view of history you really are a slave to the notion that people are all of one thing or another. They are complete vile scum bags or not. I wonder if you would sustain the same judgment. I wouldn't.

BTW. On a side note, your typing still makes your posts very hard to read. We already know you only have the use of fours fingers. Have heard it more than once. Type with two fingers. There is no clock on how long it takes you to post.

Strom Thurmond and the Dixiecrat like him were not complete scumbags. But those parts of them that were not can safely be ignored. Being 99% scumbag equals being a scumbag. Folk like Thurmond and Helms had long careers to thoroughly reinforce the idea that they were scum and the succeed in proving that very well. When someones main goal in life is harming those weaker than you I see no reason to respect him

TJMAC77SP
07-19-2015, 02:04 PM
Strom Thurmond and the Dixiecrat like him were not complete scumbags. But those parts of them that were not can safely be ignored. Being 99% scumbag equals being a scumbag. Folk like Thurmond and Helms had long careers to thoroughly reinforce the idea that they were scum and the succeed in proving that very well. When someones main goal in life is harming those weaker than you I see no reason to respect him

Not surprisingly you missed the point but ok.

I for one am self aware (and honest) enough to wonder what my belief system would have been like had I been born in South Carolina in 1902. It isn't a matter of respect (or disrespect). It is a matter of recognizing reality and understanding while not condoning. Hyperbole is always a weak and telling tactic.

Rainmaker
07-20-2015, 05:35 PM
According to the justice department, From 2010-2014, 121 American citizens were Murdered by Illegal Immigrants that had been released back on to the Streets By ICE. Zero were killed by the kkk.

Therefore, it stands to reason that the Obama administration is far more dangerous to the security of the American Citizenry than the klan.

Rainmaker
07-20-2015, 05:44 PM
Strom Thurmond and the Dixiecrat like him were not complete scumbags. But those parts of them that were not can safely be ignored. Being 99% scumbag equals being a scumbag. Folk like Thurmond and Helms had long careers to thoroughly reinforce the idea that they were scum and the succeed in proving that very well. When someones main goal in life is harming those weaker than you I see no reason to respect him

Strom Thurmond was an American Patriot that landed in a glider at D-Day.

According to Delaware Senator Joe Biden, Thurmond lost a primary in the 1940s because, he was trying too much to help African Americans.

http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=17465

So Mike, What are your thoughts on WW2 Draft dodger Robert Byrd?? What % scumbag was he?

MitchellJD1969
07-20-2015, 09:29 PM
You think there is anything like a unified left something solid enough to be called " the left". ROTFLMAO

Trying to sort out what you are RTFLMAO about but the "left" are the ones going for lack of better words...to the left. They sacrificed the Blue Dogs and have as a potential democratic nominee a self avowed socialist. Now tell me how the left is anywhere close to the center nowadays? Yet they have the mendacity to say the right has moved....hell the left is even alling the center rightwing...again i say the left is the most meanest intolerant nastiest bastards in politics....because of the collectivist idenity they seem to share. Another nominee says "all lives matter" and the netroots nutsos drive him off stage....seriously? WTF?

Im sorry I should say progressives instead of the left....I shouldnt insult liberals that way.

Rainmaker
07-20-2015, 09:44 PM
Trying to sort out what you are RTFLMAO about but the "left" are the ones going for lack of better words...to the left. They sacrificed the Blue Dogs and have as a potential democratic nominee a self avowed socialist. Now tell me how the left is anywhere close to the center nowadays? Yet they have the mendacity to say the right has moved....hell the left is even alling the center rightwing...again i say the left is the most meanest intolerant nastiest bastards in politics....because of the collectivist idenity they seem to share. Another nominee says "all lives matter" and the netroots nutsos drive him off stage....seriously? WTF?

Im sorry I should say progressives instead of the left....I shouldnt insult liberals that way.

Mitch, You'll have to please excuse @ NelsonMikekerr#3
Because, it's important for us to realize that he was injured in a tragic accident at Woodstock in 1969.....From what Rainmaker can gather, Apparently Mike's bong blew up, rendering him a slightly mentally retarded, deaf-mute with no Opposable thumbs.

garhkal
07-21-2015, 04:37 AM
Trying to sort out what you are RTFLMAO about but the "left" are the ones going for lack of better words...to the left. They sacrificed the Blue Dogs and have as a potential democratic nominee a self avowed socialist. Now tell me how the left is anywhere close to the center nowadays? Yet they have the mendacity to say the right has moved....hell the left is even alling the center rightwing...again i say the left is the most meanest intolerant nastiest bastards in politics....because of the collectivist idenity they seem to share. Another nominee says "all lives matter" and the netroots nutsos drive him off stage....seriously? WTF?

Im sorry I should say progressives instead of the left....I shouldnt insult liberals that way.

That made me laugh when i heard that. So saying "All lives matter" is some how degenerating the struggles of the black folk? Sorry, but HOW?