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garhkal
07-16-2015, 07:59 PM
OK, saw this on Google news..

http://www.theverge.com/2015/7/15/8969809/google-white-house-obama-broadband

http://www.inflexwetrust.com/2015/07/15/barack-obama-and-google-are-offering-free-internet-to-low-income-families/

http://www.denverpost.com/politics/ci_28490532/obama-reveals-program-give-lower-income-homes-internet

http://www.worldmag.com/2015/07/obama_administration_to_subsidize_internet_access_ for_poor_families


A new pilot program called ConnectHome may be the first step in changing the online experience of low-income families around the country. Today the White House announced that Google, along with ISPs like Cox, Sprint, and Century Link will be providing 275,000 low-income families with free or deeply discounted broadband service. President Obama is expected to announce the plan during a speech at a high school in Durant, Oklahoma later today.

ConnectHome will roll out in 27 cities across the country, including Atlanta, Los Angeles, Cleveland, Newark, New Orleans, and the Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma. The initial rollout is focused on reaching low-income families with school-aged children. "While many middle-class US students go home to internet access, allowing them to do research, write papers, and communicate digitally with their teachers and other students, too many lower-income children go unplugged every afternoon when school ends," the White House said in a statement, first reported by Bloomberg. The announcement comes after a new report from the White House Council of Economic Advisers that shows income is still the biggest barrier to gaining broadband access, even over geography.

Google Fiber will offer free service for low-income families in Atlanta, Durham, Kansas City, and Nashville, while Cox will offer broadband for $9.99 a month to families in cities including Macon, Georgia, Baton Rouge, Louisiana, and New Orleans. The Department of Housing and Urban Development will also require new public housing developments to support broadband going forward. Best Buy PBS, the American Library Association, and Boys and Girls Clubs of America will offer internet training to low-income families as well in a number of cities.

So while millions of us who work have to pay for OUR internet, those who live on welfare/min wage, can now get it for free or highly discounted.

First off, i thought that is why we pay for libraries to HAVE internet areas. So those who don't have it at home can connect?

2nd, since when we started providing "Obama-phones" to "lower income" those of us who pay for our services saw a hike in what we pay to cover it.. Will the same thing happen here?

Lastly, what else will now get looked at to be made 'free' to "Lower income" people? Gas supply? Water? Power (electric)??
Don't we already subsidise that with our tax dollars in the form of welfare, section 8 housing etc??

MikeKerriii
07-16-2015, 09:10 PM
OK, saw this on Google news..

http://www.theverge.com/2015/7/15/8969809/google-white-house-obama-broadband

http://www.inflexwetrust.com/2015/07/15/barack-obama-and-google-are-offering-free-internet-to-low-income-families/

http://www.denverpost.com/politics/ci_28490532/obama-reveals-program-give-lower-income-homes-internet

http://www.worldmag.com/2015/07/obama_administration_to_subsidize_internet_access_ for_poor_families



So while millions of us who work have to pay for OUR internet, those who live on welfare/min wage, can now get it for free or highly discounted.

First off, i thought that is why we pay for libraries to HAVE internet areas. So those who don't have it at home can connect?

2nd, since when we started providing "Obama-phones" to "lower income" those of us who pay for our services saw a hike in what we pay to cover it.. Will the same thing happen here?

Lastly, what else will now get looked at to be made 'free' to "Lower income" people? Gas supply? Water? Power (electric)??
Don't we already subsidise that with our tax dollars in the form of welfare, section 8 housing etc??

Gyou make yourself look follish every time you use the term Obamaphone, the program was started by Bush. Using terms based on lies is bad enough, using terms based on really ignorant and easily disprovable lie is just dumb.

And the Internet program cove low cost internet to families with school age children. In toady world Internet access is part of Homework and School, while libraries are not all that accessible in many places

garhkal
07-16-2015, 11:02 PM
Gyou make yourself look follish every time you use the term Obamaphone, the program was started by Bush. Using terms based on lies is bad enough, using terms based on really ignorant and easily disprovable lie is just dumb.

And the Internet program cove low cost internet to families with school age children. In toady world Internet access is part of Homework and School, while libraries are not all that accessible in many places

It may have been started under bush, but has (from what i see) significantly expanded under Obama. and iirc HE was the one who coined that phrase anyway.

As to the latter part, yes i DID see it initially applies to 'families with school age children'. BUT as i also said, don't we already fund them enough with everthing else to cover that? What 'cap' will be put in place to decide who qualifies??

SomeRandomGuy
07-16-2015, 11:34 PM
It may have been started under bush, but has (from what i see) significantly expanded under Obama. and iirc HE was the one who coined that phrase anyway.

As to the latter part, yes i DID see it initially applies to 'families with school age children'. BUT as i also said, don't we already fund them enough with everthing else to cover that? What 'cap' will be put in place to decide who qualifies??

I never heard them called Obamaphones until this video became popular

http://youtu.be/tpAOwJvTOio

http://gawker.com/5947133/the-obama-phone-program-has-nothing-to-do-with-obama

Mjölnir
07-17-2015, 12:31 AM
And the Internet program cove low cost internet to families with school age children. In toady world Internet access is part of Homework and School, while libraries are not all that accessible in many places

So a good idea on principle & a good policy ... that is getting abused by people with little to no oversight.

MikeKerriii
07-17-2015, 01:53 AM
So a good idea on principle & a good policy ... that is getting abused by people with little to no oversight.

It is hard to think of any policy by any government that doesn't get bent a bit about the edges, But this one seems pretty efficient and is not all that expense.It is not like it was Corn subsidies, Oil depletion allowances or some really corrupt like that. expacting perfection in any large system is defying Murphy and reality.

I just think the Obama phone term is a good way to identify those with limited connection to reality.

Mjölnir
07-17-2015, 02:01 AM
It is hard to think of any policy by any government that doesn't get bent a bit about the edges, But this one seems pretty efficient and is not all that expense.It is not like it was Corn subsidies, Oil depletion allowances or some really corrupt like that. expacting perfection in any large system is defying Murphy and reality.

I just think the Obama phone term is a good way to identify those with limited connection to reality.

Any and all programs in a government as large as ours will have graft, it is a given. The problem is when the loss to graft and fraud outweighs the benefit we gain ... don't know if this program is there yet or not.

IMO, free internet in the home to help kids = good thing; free internet in the home used to help adult education or jobs etc. = a good thing; free internet in the home used purely for entertainment = not egregious but not the intent.

MikeKerriii
07-17-2015, 03:21 AM
Any and all programs in a government as large as ours will have graft, it is a given. The problem is when the loss to graft and fraud outweighs the benefit we gain ... don't know if this program is there yet or not.

IMO, free internet in the home to help kids = good thing; free internet in the home used to help adult education or jobs etc. = a good thing; free internet in the home used purely for entertainment = not egregious but not the intent.

I have not seen any evidence that abuse is common with this program, but it might be, Do you have a source that gives any info either way?

Mjölnir
07-17-2015, 03:35 AM
I have not seen any evidence that abuse is common with this program, but it might be, Do you have a source that gives any info either way?

I don't have any info on this program. I will look around; I still have several contacts at CRS.

garhkal
07-17-2015, 03:45 AM
So a good idea on principle & a good policy ... that is getting abused by people with little to no oversight.

Why do you think its a good idea in principle?


IMO, free internet in the home to help kids = good thing; free internet in the home used to help adult education or jobs etc. = a good thing; free internet in the home used purely for entertainment = not egregious but not the intent.


Then why limit it to only "Low income families" why not all?
What about low income single folk?

Mjölnir
07-17-2015, 03:55 AM
Why do you think its a good idea in principle?

As an educational tool. As was stated above, many schools etc. nearly require use of the internet for students. It is possible to use the internet at libraries, but what if there are a lot of folks there ahead of the student etc.? I think it is a small investment to make that can assist breaking a cycle of low income wage earning; it won't solve the problem on it's own that is for sure.





Then why limit it to only "Low income families" why not all? What about low income single folk?

Probably because middle class and high income families can more easily afford it on their own without assistance; subsidize those who need it. Like anything else, if you want to have it provided for anyone expect your taxes to go up.

As far as low income single folk, if they are attempting to go to school or get a certification or education then I am in favor of it. I was able to include my internet as an education expense for years on my taxes until I was no longer in classes despite having the income of an O4 in the military.

MikeKerriii
07-17-2015, 05:13 AM
It may have been started under bush, but has (from what i see) significantly expanded under Obama. and iirc HE was the one who coined that phrase anyway.

As to the latter part, yes i DID see it initially applies to 'families with school age children'. BUT as i also said, don't we already fund them enough with everthing else to cover that? What 'cap' will be put in place to decide who qualifies??
Obama did not coil the phrase a few lying nut-jobs of the far right did. the coverage of the law expned slightly and the cost expanded less than would be accounted for by inflation

If you are in the class called working poor you a receive very little if any help from the government while still just being able to "usually pay" the minimal bills. The are caps on what incomes qualifies but they vary states to state with the cost of living. In Northern Delaware my sons friend with a 20K income and two kids is near the maximum income allowed, ad Delawar is not all that cheap a place to live

MikeKerriii
07-17-2015, 05:16 AM
I don't have any info on this program. I will look around; I still have several contacts at CRS.

It might be hard to find government info since the program is not funded through tax dollars, appropriations or a budget line item

garhkal
07-17-2015, 06:56 AM
Obama did not coil the phrase a few lying nut-jobs of the far right did. the coverage of the law expned slightly and the cost expanded less than would be accounted for by inflation

If you are in the class called working poor you a receive very little if any help from the government while still just being able to "usually pay" the minimal bills. The are caps on what incomes qualifies but they vary states to state with the cost of living. In Northern Delaware my sons friend with a 20K income and two kids is near the maximum income allowed, ad Delawar is not all that cheap a place to live

At the rate i am seeing more and more bennies for non workers, its almost looking to me like i should just say grak it and go on the teet myself.

TJMAC77SP
07-17-2015, 11:53 AM
I have not seen any evidence that abuse is common with this program, but it might be, Do you have a source that gives any info either way?

Really, you haven't seen anything on the topic??

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2014/11/06/governments-free-phone-program-riddled-with-abuse-fraud/ (http://denver.cbslocal.com/2014/11/06/governments-free-phone-program-riddled-with-abuse-fraud/)

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/9-investigates-abuse-free-cellphone-program-lifeli/ndbBn/ (http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/9-investigates-abuse-free-cellphone-program-lifeli/ndbBn/)

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887323511804578296001368122888 (http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887323511804578296001368122888)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-phones-subsidy-program-draws-new-scrutiny-on-the-hill/2013/04/09/50699d04-a061-11e2-be47-b44febada3a8_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-phones-subsidy-program-draws-new-scrutiny-on-the-hill/2013/04/09/50699d04-a061-11e2-be47-b44febada3a8_story.html)

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/354867/me-and-my-obamaphones-jillian-kay-melchior (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/354867/me-and-my-obamaphones-jillian-kay-melchior)

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2015/06/fcc-lifeline-program-problems/index.htm (http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2015/06/fcc-lifeline-program-problems/index.htm)

I have been seeing these stories for years, locally and nationally.

efmbman
07-17-2015, 12:22 PM
Gyou make yourself look follish every time you use the term Obamaphone, the program was started by Bush. Using terms based on lies is bad enough, using terms based on really ignorant and easily disprovable lie is just dumb.

This source claims it was started under Reagan... the "savior" for Republicans.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/cellphone.asp

Snopes is usually pretty good when it comes to fact checking and sources.

Absinthe Anecdote
07-17-2015, 01:40 PM
http://youtu.be/tpAOwJvTOio

MitchellJD1969
07-17-2015, 01:45 PM
Gotta keep the drones happy with free stuff....that way they dont realize that thier masters are playing them for fools.

Absinthe Anecdote
07-17-2015, 01:48 PM
There are hundreds of remixes of this lady's rant, but this one is my favorite.

It is one hell of a song!
http://youtu.be/6AZNb-UpwNU

EDIT:Stick with this video until it gets to the chorus! I guarantee that you will be walking around humming it the next couple of days.

MikeKerriii
07-17-2015, 02:29 PM
At the rate i am seeing more and more bennies for non workers, its almost looking to me like i should just say grak it and go on the teet myself.
The program supports many who work, they just don't make enough money.

garhkal
07-17-2015, 05:42 PM
Really, you haven't seen anything on the topic??
..snip..

I have been seeing these stories for years, locally and nationally.

I think MK was more on about 'abuse' in this new program. Not abuse in the phone program.

BUT nice rundown on links.


The program supports many who work, they just don't make enough money.

What qualifies one as making enough?
Just like us in the military can't go off our base pay, we need to take in all our allowances and extras to see our 'total' compensation, shouldn't the same be done to the "poor"//

Lets look at the example this site used
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2014/12/05/grothman-single-parents-welfare/

Family 1, single mother of 2. She works part time while attending tech school full time. Earned income from her PT work is less than 10k a year.
Family 2, is a two parent 2 kid household, where one parent also works part time and attends tech school. (didn't mention if the other parent works PT or FT), but goes to say their yearly income is 50k.

Family 1 gets 5,356 from Wisconsin foodshare. Family 2, gets nada
Family 1 gets 447 from WiC, Family 2 0.
Family 1 gets 422 from school lunch programs, Family 2 0.
Family 1 gets 2,616 from Wisconsin works programs, Family 2. Zilch.
Family 1 gets 11,219 from something called Wisconsin shares. Family 2. Bupkiss.
Family 1 gets 9,048 for Section 8 housing benefits. Family 2. You guessed it 0.

For a sub-total of Public assistance benefits of $29,168 a year for Family 1, and 0 for family 2.

For Tax benefits, Family 1 is listed as gaining 5,050 a year in federal income tax benefits. Family 2 is listed as gaining 635.
Family 1 is listed as gaining 440 in state benefits, family 2 actually PAYS 1,147 a year in state taxes. So overall they are at a net loss here.

Subtotal for taxes, Family 1 gains 5,490 a year, while family 2 Loses 512 bucks.

Student financial aid
Both families are on Pel grants, gaining 5,550 for family one a year, and 4,900 a year for family 2.
Both also receive wisconsin higher education grants, giving family 1 an extra 1,084 a year, while family 2 gains 1,011 a year extra.

Subtotal for educational assistance.. Family 1 gains a bonus 6,634, while family 2 gains 5,911.

So family 1's total "Compensation package" is worth to them, $41,292 a year to her and her two kids.
Family 2 though, their total compensation package is only 5,399 (cause of the net loss for taxes).

Add that to their pay above, and family 1, clears 10k+41k = 51k.
Family 2, 50k+5K. So that means not including medical/dental, family 1 is only 4k worse off a year than family 2..

FLAPS, USAF (ret)
07-17-2015, 09:23 PM
Oh cool, millions of low income people will now get their porn for free! I just love his administration, spending like there's no tomorrow. Guess what sports fans, the debt and annual deficits are absolutely unsustainable. After the dollar collapses, and it will, we can add loss of 'free' internet to the growing list of reasons why millions will riot in the streets and break jnto YOUR homes. All brought to you by those who want to make Americans increasingly dependent on government.

TJMAC77SP
07-17-2015, 09:37 PM
I think MK was more on about 'abuse' in this new program. Not abuse in the phone program.............

In a program that was announced a few days ago? Damn, I hope there isn't wide spread abuse already......................

Which program were you referring to MKIII

MikeKerriii
07-18-2015, 12:44 AM
In a program that was announced a few days ago? Damn, I hope there isn't wide spread abuse already......................

Which program were you referring to MKIII

Bothe the Lifeline phone system and the internet for for low income families, neither of which as only been around for a few 20 years is closer for the phone, several years for the internet

TJMAC77SP
07-18-2015, 02:30 AM
Bothe the Lifeline phone system and the internet for for low income families, neither of which as only been around for a few 20 years is closer for the phone, several years for the internet

Huh?

I thought the internet program was just starting.

MikeKerriii
07-18-2015, 04:05 AM
Huh?

I thought the internet program was just starting.
Olny in comparison to the other program

ACME_MAN
10-17-2015, 10:35 PM
Personally, I think it has to do with intelligence gathering. They want to know what the poor are up to and this is one way to find out via intelligence agency info gathering of course. Here in California, it's free phones to those receiving public assistance.

UncaRastus
10-18-2015, 02:41 PM
The poor are not the only ones being watched.

In case you don't want to be 'spied upon', this might be a good thing to use, if you are using Windows 10. Some of the older platforms are going to become unsupported, pretty soon, according to Microsoft.

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/How-Stop-Windows-10-From-Spying-You-75467.html

As was stated, everyone is being spied upon, for their own good and the good of the society! If anyone tries to escape the Great Watching, as some of the hackers do, they will all be 'reeducated'.


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giggawatt
11-09-2015, 03:26 PM
Seems to me that poor people get all kinds of free shit and rich people get all kinds of free shit. Middle class gets the shaft. I guess if you want free shit you gotta become rich or poor.

Rusty Jones
11-09-2015, 04:24 PM
If internet was free for everyone, people would be crying "communism." That is, if they're not already under the present situation.

Interesting how we all work for peanuts to make multi-billionaires' wallets fatter, yet we speak of those who don't as if they're the ones with the personality flaws.

garhkal
11-10-2015, 03:58 AM
Seems to me that poor people get all kinds of free shit and rich people get all kinds of free shit. Middle class gets the shaft. I guess if you want free shit you gotta become rich or poor.

IMO the big difference is most of the 'free shit' the rich get are from hard work, whether in the form of tax breaks or investments. Where as the poor get theirs just cause they are poor.

sandsjames
11-11-2015, 01:33 PM
So what's the logistics behind the free internet? Do the households get free computers in order to use the internet? Free antivirus subscriptions?

garhkal
11-11-2015, 07:09 PM
So what's the logistics behind the free internet? Do the households get free computers in order to use the internet? Free antivirus subscriptions?

That is a valid question SJ.. What is the point in giving a household free internet, if they don't have a tablet, laptop/desktop or phone to use it?

UncaRastus
11-11-2015, 07:48 PM
Hold on, there. Isn't wifi natural, just like air? And since the internet exists inside this invisible cloud of wifi, I imagine that every one could get it, just by standing about outside, and basking in it's glory. Or inside, even!

I may be speaking in the wrong space/time continuum. In my world, at birth, everyone has some implants and adjustments done to them by the good doctors of Microsoft, so that they can enjoy being connected 24/7.

By the looks of some of the statements made in here, your planet hasn't yet made the great birth gift made free by the world government.

Just wait. It's coming soon! The great hive mind will get it's updates during the sleeping hours.

People like you might have this great set of implants and adjustments at the labor camps that are being set up right now!

Oops. I might have said too much. So, right now, I am putting my head into the lead lined hat (which I assume we all own a copy of, us being 'future people'). Those of us who do not want to be instantly switched off for breaking the rule of 'Never Step on a Butterfly', anyway.

Over and out.

Rusty Jones
11-12-2015, 06:02 PM
So what's the logistics behind the free internet? Do the households get free computers in order to use the internet? Free antivirus subscriptions?

I think it would work the same way as TV and radio. TV and radio are paid for by companies who purchase advertising space. I imagine that free internet could work the same way. TVs and radios themselves aren't free, but... a brand new TV and a brand new computer are roughly the same price. Then again, who says you have to buy them brand new?

I actually don't own a laptop. Mine crapped out on me a few months ago, but all I did with it was surf the net with it anyway. Prior to that, I used it for school to write papers and all that... but I don't need that anymore.

How to I get on the net? I bought brand new prepaid smartphone at Walmart for $30. Surfing the net with a smartphone is a bit more cumbersome than with an actual PC, but is very effective at keeping my $250 in my wallet instead of shelling it out for a laptop.