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Bos Mutus
06-15-2015, 04:15 PM
Probably some fun meetings going on at Kadena this week...



CAMP FOSTER, Okinawa — Air Force officials are investigating how a drunk Marine was able to enter an aircraft hangar at Kadena Air Base and activate the fire-suppression system, releasing flame retardant foam in the vicinity of at least one aircraft.

The incident occurred at 1:45 a.m. May 23, according to officials from 18th Wing public affairs. The Marine was arrested.
Marine Corps officials said they would not release the Marine’s name, where he is or was being held, or details on any potential court-martial proceedings due to “policy and privacy reasons.”

Air Force officials said they could not comment on damage due to the ongoing investigation. No further details were available.

“The details of the incident are currently under investigation,” 2nd Lt. Erik Anthony wrote in an email to Stars and Stripes.

Posted from: http://www.stripes.com/news/pacific/drunk-marine-releases-fire-suppression-system-in-kadena-hangar-1.351940

Rainmaker
06-15-2015, 04:20 PM
Probably some fun meetings going on at Kadena this week...

Maybe he was trying to turn the Hangar into one of those bubble foam dance clubs?

Mjölnir
06-15-2015, 06:39 PM
C'mon ... who has never been drunk, snuck into a hangar and discharges some fire suppressant ...

Rollyn01
06-15-2015, 06:47 PM
Maybe he was trying to turn the Hangar into one of those bubble foam dance clubs?

Well, since the AF is suppose to have the hottest chicks in the military, it could be he was trying to create the right atmosphere for a party. At least he knew where to go.

Rollyn01
06-15-2015, 06:49 PM
C'mon ... who has never been drunk, snuck into a hangar and discharges some fire suppressant ...

Halo! Halo! Halo! Someone get the beer...

Bos Mutus
06-15-2015, 07:37 PM
Probably no chance he'll survive this, but he'll definitely be a legend.

garhkal
06-15-2015, 07:56 PM
So where was hanger security?

Rainmaker
06-15-2015, 08:41 PM
So where was hanger security?

They were Most likely out at the Kadena AB 2nd annual LGBT 5K "fun run" or some other mission essential event...

Rainmaker
06-15-2015, 10:23 PM
Probably no chance he'll survive this, but he'll definitely be a legend.

Nomsayin! Rainmaker wanna party with that cat

TJMAC77SP
06-16-2015, 03:04 AM
So where was hanger security?

What the hell is Hanger Security?

Absinthe Anecdote
06-16-2015, 03:25 AM
I was at Dover when a cop on another flight set off the fire suppression system by lighting his can of Kiwi shoe polish on fire to get the wax nice and soft.

Some of those systems have an open flame detector attached to them.

I heard it was total chaos when it went off.

For those who are unfamiliar with these systems:


http://youtu.be/3n9GuoVY_6w

garhkal
06-16-2015, 07:57 AM
What the hell is Hanger Security?

I know from all the visits i made to both Lakenheath, Mildenhall, Kadena and Anderson AFBs, hangers should have security.. Or is that overseas bases only?

Absinthe Anecdote
06-16-2015, 11:09 AM
I know from all the visits i made to both Lakenheath, Mildenhall, Kadena and Anderson AFBs, hangers should have security.. Or is that overseas bases only?

All of those places have problems with people stealing coats and jackets, so they post extra security to watch the hangers.

Mjölnir
06-16-2015, 11:24 AM
I know from all the visits i made to both Lakenheath, Mildenhall, Kadena and Anderson AFBs, hangers should have security.. Or is that overseas bases only?

Should have ... sure. Effective security ... maybe, maybe not. I have walked onto many flight lines without showing any kind of credential to be there other than wearing my flight suit.

hanger =/= hangar

UncaRastus
06-16-2015, 01:44 PM
Not sure about now, but the Marines used to post guards at their hangars, overseas.

I remember walking guard, packing a PRC radio and a 12 gauge shotgun, when I was over there.

TJMAC77SP
06-16-2015, 02:18 PM
With some exceptions (based on the priority of the aircraft) the only hanger security I am aware of is the Security Response Teams (assuming they are still called that) which is the roving security patrol.

UncaRastus
06-16-2015, 02:51 PM
Overseas,as I recall, two of the guard posts were at 3 hangars. One guard for two of them, one for the other one. There was a guard posted at the Avionics complex, and one at the armory, which was right across from the E Club. Which made posting a guard there very important.

All of the guard posts were roving patrol kinds of guarding, and not a fixed guard post.

The call sign for the various guard posts were different colors, such as blue, yellow, and other colors, preceded by Hellborn.

The call sign for the Guardhouse, where the Corporal of the Guard, and/or the Sergeant of the Guard could be found, was Hellborn Whiskey.

We were taken to a short bit of range training with the sawed off shotguns, loaded with 00 buckshot.

Guard was a 2 month posting. Duty was held every other day. If one was on guard, he did 4 hours on, 4 hours off, for a 24 hour period.

If a guard was off duty, he was escorted to the chow hall by the Corporal of the Guard for Mid-rats.

Once per shift, the Officer of the Day, along with the Sergeant of the Guard visited each guard who was on duty, at his discretion.

Passwords and counter passwords were used.

If any person did not respond to the challenge 'Who is there', followed by the same challenge given in whatever country's wording of the same did not immediately stop and answer, was to repeat the challenge. If not answered, at that time, anyway, the trespassing person was to be shot.

Absinthe Anecdote
06-16-2015, 03:15 PM
Overseas,as I recall, two of the guard posts were at 3 hangars. One guard for two of them, one for the other one. There was a guard posted at the Avionics complex, and one at the armory, which was right across from the E Club. Which made posting a guard there very important.

All of the guard posts were roving patrol kinds of guarding, and not a fixed guard post.

The call sign for the various guard posts were different colors, such as blue, yellow, and other colors, preceded by Hellborn.

The call sign for the Guardhouse, where the Corporal of the Guard, and/or the Sergeant of the Guard could be found, was Hellborn Whiskey.

We were taken to a short bit of range training with the sawed off shotguns, loaded with 00 buckshot.

Guard was a 2 month posting. Duty was held every other day. If one was on guard, he did 4 hours on, 4 hours off, for a 24 hour period.

If a guard was off duty, he was escorted to the chow hall by the Corporal of the Guard for Mid-rats.

Once per shift, the Officer of the Day, along with the Sergeant of the Guard visited each guard who was on duty, at his discretion.

Passwords and counter passwords were used.

If any person did not respond to the challenge 'Who is there', followed by the same challenge given in whatever country's wording of the same did not immediately stop and answer, was to repeat the challenge. If not answered, at that time, anyway, the trespassing person was to be shot.

I doubt you had sawed-off shot guns, probably just the shorter 18.5 inch barrel that is used for law enforcement. In other words, they were made that length by the manufacturer.

Either way, it sounds odd to use any type of shotgun as a primary weapon for all the sentries at a particular location.

A shotgun is a great defensive weapon for close range and inside buildings, but it is also is limited in what it can do.

UncaRastus
06-16-2015, 03:37 PM
On a recent visit to MCRD Parris Island, SC, my wife and I noticed a guard posted at the the end of the causeway, away from the gate. He was carrying the USMC issued shotgun. He was coming out of the tree line to the right.

While visiting Camp Pendleton, Ca., for a stay in a Camp Del Rey beach house, there was a roving patrol of 2 guards. They went up and down the beach. They were carrying M 16s. Or maybe M 4s. It has been a few years.

My reference to the 'sawed off' was my mistake. I was stating that the barrel was much shorter than what is found in the civilian world. Except for civvies guarding their own property.

I have the Mossberg 500, 12 gauge, with a factory offered short barrel. I keep it loaded with 00 buck. This is for home defense only.

Anyway, my guard duty was from way back when. Even though as in at every duty station that I ever reported to, I was issued my own M16, when I went to do my guard duty, the only weapon that I carried at the time was a shotgun, until I was made Corporal of the Guard for my the second month of guard duty. Then, I carried a Colt .45 pistol.

UncaRastus
06-16-2015, 04:02 PM
AA,

Please see:

http://military.answers.com/marines/marine-corps-shotguns-for-various-guarding-tasks

Bos Mutus
06-16-2015, 06:23 PM
If any person did not respond to the challenge 'Who is there', followed by the same challenge given in whatever country's wording of the same did not immediately stop and answer, was to repeat the challenge. If not answered, at that time, anyway, the trespassing person was to be shot.

How many people per year got shot?

Bos Mutus
06-16-2015, 06:32 PM
I was at Dover when a cop on another flight set off the fire suppression system by lighting his can of Kiwi shoe polish on fire to get the wax nice and soft.

Some of those systems have an open flame detector attached to them.

I heard it was total chaos when it went off.

For those who are unfamiliar with these systems:

This one? http://www.dover.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123364338

There was also an inadvertent activation at Eglin last year during which a contractor was killed after he "went in to check it out"

http://www.eglin.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123400598

http://www.nwfdailynews.com/military/top-story/report-deceased-contractor-warned-not-to-enter-foam-filled-hangar-1.279555



High-expansion foam is used in about 146 hangars at 46 bases Air Force-wide, according to Eglin public affairs. In the past five years, there have been 25 accidental releases of the foam, including one at King Hangar in 2012.


I wonder how many times it's been used for actual fires?

UncaRastus
06-16-2015, 06:52 PM
I don't know how many were killed by guards. That was never asked, by me, anyway. At the time, a group, the Japanese Red Army was really against the USA, though, amongst others.

I think that because guards are posted, and are armed is the main reason that many instances that could have been propagated were stopped dead, because of the fact that the guards being armed, no one ever really wanted to attack anything.

Absinthe Anecdote
06-16-2015, 07:57 PM
This one? http://www.dover.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123364338

There was also an inadvertent activation at Eglin last year during which a contractor was killed after he "went in to check it out"

http://www.eglin.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123400598

http://www.nwfdailynews.com/military/top-story/report-deceased-contractor-warned-not-to-enter-foam-filled-hangar-1.279555



I wonder how many times it's been used for actual fires?

No, the one I was talking about happened in 1987. I wasn't at work the night it happened, but I can imagine the confusion it caused.

It was a C-5 hangar with a bunch of maintenance guys on scaffolds and inside the aircraft.

It would be scary as hell being high up on a scaffold with that foam being dumped on you, and thinking there is a fire. Assuming the foam doesn't cause you to fall off the scaffold, chances are that by the time you get on the ground the foam will be over your head.

garhkal
06-16-2015, 08:59 PM
So it sounds like the guards were only an overseas thing.. Interesting.

UncaRastus
06-17-2015, 01:48 PM
While I was at MCAS Beaufort, SC, last year, when I wanted to see if there were any F35s on the flightline, my wife and I had to go through a checkpoint, where there was a guard posted.

The guard told us not to take any pictures while near the flightline. So we didn't.

There was a squadron of F35s parked next to a hangar, by the way.