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Rusty Jones
06-05-2015, 05:55 PM
http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/local/2015/06/05/westboro-church-picket-biden-funeral-saturday/28531733/


A Kansas church, known for its picketing of soldiers' funerals, is promising to protest the funeral of Beau Biden on Saturday.

The Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kansas, according to its website godhatesfags.com, will picket outside Wilmington's St. Anthony of Padua Catholic Church from 9:30 a.m. to 10:30 a.m.

Biden's funeral Mass starts at 10:30 a.m. at St. Anthony.

The group also targets Biden's father, Vice President Joe Biden.

"Lord willing, WBC will zealously warn Joe Biden and the others at that time/place that God has clear standards, that He requires obedience, and that He curses those who refuse to obey, especially those who interfere with His people in their worship of and service to Him," according to the website. "Our faithful warning: Repent or likewise perish!"

Westboro is known for its harsh anti-gay beliefs and the crude signs its members carry at their frequent protests, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, an organization that tracks hate groups and advocates for civil rights. The center describes Westboro as "a family-based cult" that is made up of its leader, Pastor Fred Waldron Phelps, nine of his 13 children, their children and spouses and a small number of other families and individuals.

"They believe that God chooses some to be saved, and those lucky few cannot resist God's call; but God chooses not to save most, and these unfortunate souls will burn in hell forever," the center claims.

This would not be the first visit to Delaware by the group, which also holds demonstrations at other events.

Seven members of the unaffiliated Baptist church held colorful signs proclaiming "America is Doomed" and "Fags are Beasts" during the state's first same-sex marriage ceremonies in 2013.

The group also protested during the 2010 funeral of Jean Finnegan Biden, Joe Biden's mother.

Church members are known for getting demonstration permits and not showing up, as they did with the funerals of the victims of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting.

Good luck to these guys. Just like LA has Compton and Detroit has Flint; Philadelphia has Wilmington, DE and Camden, NJ. I expect there to be some pretty heavy police presence there, but I still expect something to go down.

Absinthe Anecdote
06-05-2015, 06:08 PM
http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/local/2015/06/05/westboro-church-picket-biden-funeral-saturday/28531733/



Good luck to these guys. Just like LA has Compton and Detroit has Flint; Philadelphia has Wilmington, DE and Camden, NJ. I expect there to be some pretty heavy police presence there, but I still expect something to go down.

You expect something will go down, as in another group will commit violence on them?

That is exactly what WBC wants. While I doubt they want to be injured, they do want groups(preferably groups with assets) to interfere with them.

Their main reason for protesting is to lure a municipality or state government into violating their civil rights in some manner, and then sue that state/local government for damages.

Who knows if they really believe all that stuff they preach, I suspect it is just an act.

Rusty Jones
06-05-2015, 06:25 PM
You expect something will go down, as in another group will commit violence on them?

That is exactly what WBC wants. While I doubt they want to be injured, they do want groups(preferably groups with assets) to interfere with them.

Their main reason for protesting is to lure a municipality or state government into violating their civil rights in some manner, and then sue that state/local government for damages.

Who knows if they really believe all that stuff they preach, I suspect it is just an act.

It's a situation where the WBC will "win" either way, which puts any potential attackers in a "nothing to lose" situation.

I would agree that it's probably just an act, except for the fact that they've been around since at least the 80's when homophobia was the norm among heterosexuals and there was no reasonable expectation of WBC protesters getting attacked.

Absinthe Anecdote
06-05-2015, 06:41 PM
I was also wondering if you meant there was something special about Wilmington, DE and Camden, NJ that made the prospect of violence more likely.

Rusty Jones
06-05-2015, 06:45 PM
I was also wondering if you meant there was something special about Wilmington, DE and Camden, NJ that made the prospect of violence more likely.

Camden tops the list at #1. Wilmington comes in at #9.

http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/neighborhoods/crime-rates/top100dangerous/

Rusty Jones
06-05-2015, 07:07 PM
Here's another link, at what happened in 2006 in Seaford, DE:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2006/05/22/5-arrested-for-attacks-on-anti-gay-protesters-at-military-funeral.html

One could reasonably call into question whether or not your typical street criminal in Wilmington is really going to give two shits about the WBC, and I'd say that that's a good question... though, at least my case, I'd have to say that I don't know. I only know of the WBC protesting either in podunk towns (like Seaford) or in the safer sections of big cities (like cemetaries in Washington, DC). It will be interesting to watch.

There are three counties in Delaware; I'm from the one in the middle (Kent). Seaford is in Sussex County, the southernmost county and the most rural. I can imagine that the same types that attacked them in Seaford will probably be heading to Wilmington. What I can tell you is that the Biden family is WELL loved in Delaware, and even the most devout of conservatives in Delaware are mourning the loss. Oh, and Delawareans love their National Guard.

What's going on in Wilmington is going to be a much bigger deal than what happened in Seaford.

Would I put money on something going down in Wilmington? I wouldn't exactly bet my whole paycheck on, but I'd definitely bet something.

Absinthe Anecdote
06-05-2015, 07:22 PM
Camden tops the list at #1. Wilmington comes in at #9.

http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/neighborhoods/crime-rates/top100dangerous/

Ok I understand, but I think the criminal element in Wilminton and Camden would be largely apathetic about the WBC protest from a political or moral standpoint.

If the WBC is dumb enough to book a cheap hotel room in Wilmington and then go wandering around the night before the protest sightseeing, then they might have to worry about getting mugged.

A couple of years ago, a MITRE Corp contractor had a stroke or became disoriented because of his medications and wandered off into the streets of Wilmington.

He was beaten to death and his body was dumped into a dumpster in Newark, DE. The police never solved his murder, and the conspiracy theorists went nuts over the story because of where he used to work at.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_P._Wheeler_III

I suspect that he got beaten down by street criminals and the nearest drug crew didn't want heat on their corner so they took his body to a Newark dumpster.

It was a fascinating story.

Rusty Jones
06-05-2015, 07:31 PM
Ok I understand, but I think the criminal element in Wilminton and Camden would be largely apathetic about the WBC protest from a political or moral standpoint.

Right, I pointed that out in a previous post (I'm guessing that you started typing this one before I posted it). Like I said, I don't know of any cities similar to Wilmington that the WBC has ever protested in; so this is terra incognita.

But, like I also pointed out; it may not be the people from Wilmington that they have to worry about.

Absinthe Anecdote
06-05-2015, 07:32 PM
Here's another link, at what happened in 2006 in Seaford, DE:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2006/05/22/5-arrested-for-attacks-on-anti-gay-protesters-at-military-funeral.html

One could reasonably call into question whether or not your typical street criminal in Wilmington is really going to give two shits about the WBC, and I'd say that that's a good question... though, at least my case, I'd have to say that I don't know. I only know of the WBC protesting either in podunk towns (like Seaford) or in the safer sections of big cities (like cemetaries in Washington, DC). It will be interesting to watch.

There are three counties in Delaware; I'm from the one in the middle (Kent). Seaford is in Sussex County, the southernmost county and the most rural. I can imagine that the same types that attacked them in Seaford will probably be heading to Wilmington. What I can tell you is that the Biden family is WELL loved in Delaware, and even the most devout of conservatives in Delaware are mourning the loss. Oh, and Delawareans love their National Guard.

What's going on in Wilmington is going to be a much bigger deal than what happened in Seaford.

Would I put money on something going down in Wilmington? I wouldn't exactly bet my whole paycheck on, but I'd definitely bet something.

This makes a lot more sense. BTW, I'm very familiar with Seaford and Bridgeville, my ex-wife's sisters lived there.

Rusty Jones
06-05-2015, 07:39 PM
I'm from about 45 minutes from Wilmington, but with each side of the Canal being pretty well self-contained, I've never "had" to go to Wilmington for anything.

That being said, if there are any "good" parts of Wilmingon; I'm not aware of them. Every part of the city I've been to is a real shit hole.

Absinthe Anecdote
06-05-2015, 07:49 PM
I'm from about 45 minutes from Wilmington, but with each side of the Canal being pretty well self-contained, I've never "had" to go to Wilmington for anything.

That being said, if there are any "good" parts of Wilmingon; I'm not aware of them. Every part of the city I've been to is a real shit hole.

Sounds like the Symrna or Odessa area?

Rusty Jones
06-05-2015, 07:54 PM
Sounds like the Symrna or Odessa area?

I've lived in Dover and Camden (Camden, DE - not NJ).

Absinthe Anecdote
06-05-2015, 08:10 PM
I've lived in Dover and Camden (Camden, DE - not NJ).

I actually wasted a follow on assignment by requesting Dover to appease the ex.

Didn't like it much, we lived in General's Green apartments (gone now) the stench from rotting vegetation in the swamp behind them was unbearable at times.

Not much to do in Dover, I doubt it has changed much other than the casino.

TJMAC77SP
06-05-2015, 10:13 PM
I actually wasted a follow on assignment by requesting Dover to appease the ex.

Didn't like it much, we lived in General's Green apartments (gone now) the stench from rotting vegetation in the swamp behind them was unbearable at times.

Not much to do in Dover, I doubt it has changed much other than the casino.

It's funny how perceptions borne of ignorance can be so off the mark. I always pictured Dover as a nice base in a nice city in a nice state.

As I said, ignorance.

Bos Mutus
06-05-2015, 10:21 PM
I actually wasted a follow on assignment by requesting Dover to appease the ex.

Didn't like it much, we lived in General's Green apartments (gone now) the stench from rotting vegetation in the swamp behind them was unbearable at times.

Not much to do in Dover, I doubt it has changed much other than the casino.

Nice beaches, though...what an hour away?

I was only TDY there a few times...but I remember it as being pretty nice. The only thing I do remember though was there was like a turn to get on base and if you miss that, you end up on the highway (13?)...and it was like another 15 miles until the next exit...oh and a $1 toll to get off...I hit that like three times in one week TDY...

Absinthe Anecdote
06-05-2015, 10:54 PM
It's funny how perceptions borne of ignorance can be so off the mark. I always pictured Dover as a nice base in a nice city in a nice state.

As I said, ignorance.

Replace the word nice with small, and I doubt that you'd find many who would argue otherwise.

If you like the quite and slow pace of life, then I guess it is nice.

Yes, there are some nice beaches nearby and Philly isn't too far away, plus DC/Baltimore would be day trip destinations; however, Dover doesn't have much to offer culturally.

I got into deer hunting when I lived there; plenty of corn and soybean fields in Delaware and the deer feast all summer long, which made for very tasty deer meat.

I also got into astronomy while living there, nice and flat with a few dark areas.

That is about the most positive spin I can put on it. Didn't like it much and I was pissed I wasted a follow-on assignment on the place.

Rainmaker
06-06-2015, 03:48 PM
I was also wondering if you meant there was something special about Wilmington, DE and Camden, NJ that made the prospect of violence more likely.

yeah, It makes me wonder if there's a common denominator in the 100 neighborhoods on that list?

MikeKerriii
06-06-2015, 04:29 PM
Here's another link, at what happened in 2006 in Seaford, DE:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2006/05/22/5-arrested-for-attacks-on-anti-gay-protesters-at-military-funeral.html

One could reasonably call into question whether or not your typical street criminal in Wilmington is really going to give two shits about the WBC, and I'd say that that's a good question... though, at least my case, I'd have to say that I don't know. I only know of the WBC protesting either in podunk towns (like Seaford) or in the safer sections of big cities (like cemetaries in Washington, DC). It will be interesting to watch.

There are three counties in Delaware; I'm from the one in the middle (Kent). Seaford is in Sussex County, the southernmost county and the most rural. I can imagine that the same types that attacked them in Seaford will probably be heading to Wilmington. What I can tell you is that the Biden family is WELL loved in Delaware, and even the most devout of conservatives in Delaware are mourning the loss. Oh, and Delawareans love their National Guard.

What's going on in Wilmington is going to be a much bigger deal than what happened in Seaford.

Would I put money on something going down in Wilmington? I wouldn't exactly bet my whole paycheck on, but I'd definitely bet something.

The Delaware National Guard is like the Delaware DMV, surprisingly well liked. The Neighborhood is not exactly a bad one either,

I live in Bear

MikeKerriii
06-06-2015, 04:31 PM
It's funny how perceptions borne of ignorance can be so off the mark. I always pictured Dover as a nice base in a nice city in a nice state.

As I said, ignorance.

It's a matter of state, for me your definition applied perfectly when I was stationed at Dover. IAW "your milage may vary"

Absinthe Anecdote
06-06-2015, 06:56 PM
USA TODAY

WILMINGTON, Del. — Three demonstrators from a Kansas church, known for its strident opposition to homosexuality and picketing of soldiers' funerals, protested the funeral of Beau Biden on Saturday.

One man was arrested for throwing coffee at the protesters from the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kan., who picketed outside Wilmington's St. Anthony of Padua Roman Catholic Church ahead of Biden's funeral.

The three protesters held signs — including "America is doomed" — and sang anti-gay songs at the corner Pennsylvania Avenue and North Dupont Street for about an hour Saturday morning.

They were met by a much larger counter protest singing Amazing Grace and holding American flags. Some of the counter protesters held pink signs to block the Westboro posters. At one point, nearly 100 counter protesters were present.

Three of them showed up to protest for an hour and they got a cup of coffee tossed at them.

I doubt they would keep doing this crap if they were just ignored, and with such low numbers of them doing these protests, it doesn't seem like it would be that hard to overlook them.

Absinthe Anecdote
06-06-2015, 07:01 PM
Why be coy about it?

I know you have an opinion, let's hear it.

Rainmaker
06-06-2015, 08:09 PM
Why be coy about it?

I know you have an opinion, let's hear it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1erSvD_BgYc

They're mostly "neighbor"hoods located in Progressively governed shit-hole cities with no middle class left. Maybe they should raise property taxes some more and try sprucing the place up?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2kqZy6BzYo
21st century policing coming soon to a city near you. They're experimenting on these scumbags like they're lab rats.

"I dream'd in a dream I saw a city invincible to the attacks of the
whole of the rest of the earth,
I dream'd that was the new city of Friends,
Nothing was greater there than the quality of robust love, it led the rest,
It was seen every hour in the actions of the men of that city,
And in all their looks and words."- Walt Whitman

garhkal
06-08-2015, 04:37 AM
I may dislike everything the WBC stands for, but i gladly support their right to say it.

MikeKerriii
06-08-2015, 09:49 PM
Agreed, the cure for the WBC is worse/more dangerous than the disease.