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SomeRandomGuy
11-18-2014, 02:18 PM
I thought this article was funny. It seems the Air Force is now willing to address the same complaints people have had forever. In the past the answer to these complaints was "do more with less" or "deal with it"


Why didn't the Air Force just answer this review with the company line that we are doing more with less? They have been saying that for years. I guess no one really believed it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2014/11/14/minot-air-force-base-troubles-highlighted-in-nuclear-weapons-review/

Some assorted quotes:


The weather has always been brutal, with sub-zero temperatures and heavy snow common in the winter. But troops on base face other issues, too. On-base day care hours do not accommodate a 12-hour shift, although that is standard for troops working maintenance jobs, the report said. The base commissary store’s hours also have been reduced; it is closed on Monday and frequently short on perishable food items on the weekend.


Nuclear launch officers and enlisted security forces all are required to drive to missile silos that are spread across hundreds of miles of terrain. They’ve raised concerns in the past about whether they had appropriate vehicles to do so in bad weather — something the service will address now, with the purchase of 26 four-wheel drive vehicles.

None of these problems are new. Why did it take a review for someone to care?

I will now finish by tossing it to an old friend:

Review, "Minot sucks"
Troops, "this we already knew"
Go F*** yourself AF

-Tak

Modus
11-18-2014, 04:46 PM
Childcare lol, I think we've all been stationed somewhere and leadership tried to play the family care plan card.

efmbman
11-18-2014, 09:50 PM
Childcare lol, I think we've all been stationed somewhere and leadership tried to play the family care plan card.

So what exactly does it mean to play the family care plan card?

technomage1
11-19-2014, 12:29 AM
Child care ultimately isn't the governments responsibiilty. It's the members. Instead of being grateful for the support they do receive, they want more. Tell you what, give up the extra BAH, COLA, family sep pay, etc you get to take care of your kid if you want the government to 100% care for your kid. Having a child is a choice.

As far as hours, I'm sure the commisary is doing the best they can with the budget they have, same as everyone else.

There are legit gripes out there, but these aren't it.

Sgt HULK
11-19-2014, 04:50 PM
Child care ultimately isn't the governments responsibiilty. It's the members. Instead of being grateful for the support they do receive, they want more. Tell you what, give up the extra BAH, COLA, family sep pay, etc you get to take care of your kid if you want the government to 100% care for your kid. Having a child is a choice.

As far as hours, I'm sure the commisary is doing the best they can with the budget they have, same as everyone else.

There are legit gripes out there, but these aren't it.

spoken like a true ignorant clown

technomage1
11-20-2014, 04:30 AM
spoken like a true ignorant clown

I take it you were whining about the CDC hours?

They don't have to provide a CDC at all. Be grateful for what you have.

Rusty Jones
11-20-2014, 10:35 AM
I take it you were whining about the CDC hours?

They don't have to provide a CDC at all. Be grateful for what you have.

Maybe they shouldn't have a CDC. What's the point of the military even providing a CDC, when the hours don't jive with the military members who use them?

Absinthe Anecdote
11-20-2014, 11:51 AM
Maybe they shouldn't have a CDC. What's the point of the military even providing a CDC, when the hours don't jive with the military members who use them?

Maybe people should realize that military service isn't really conducive to raising small children, unless there is a spouse who can stay at home with the kids.

Just as being a PT hater isn't conducive to military service.

This is basic stuff people! Get with the program or go work at Walmart!

Rusty Jones
11-20-2014, 12:02 PM
Maybe people should realize that military service isn't really conducive to raising small children, unless there is a spouse who can stay at home with the kids.

Just as being a PT hater isn't conducive to military service.

This is basic stuff people! Get with the program or go work at Walmart!

Understood. I'm just saying that if the service doesn't meet the need, then there's no point in providing it. There are people off base who provide 24/7 childcare out of their homes; but you'll never hear about them at the family services center. Would be nice if that could get fixed...

Stalwart
11-20-2014, 01:10 PM
Understood. I'm just saying that if the service doesn't meet the need, then there's no point in providing it.

The service (whether the CDC, the Mini-Mart's, PX Commissary etc.) is probably gearing their hours towards serving the majority of the base/community population. They really can't run a service at a loss just to satisfy the need of a small minority ... as legitimate as that need may be. And as hard as people in leadership positions try to accommodate everyone, you can't; you aim for the majority, hope that small unit leaders have a handle on who needs some extra-flexibility but in the end, the mission is the mission and people have to adjust themselves too.

Case in point: right now I am a shift worker, our shifts are 0600-1800 and 1800-0600. The local chow hall opens for breakfast at 0600 and dinner is from 1630-1800. As a consequence, those shift workers who live in the barracks are on COMRATS to allow them to provide their own meals. As far as child care, we either have to find a child care facility that has hours that supports our need or a spouse, significant other etc. is taking the child to day care or school.

fufu
11-24-2014, 02:10 AM
When I lived in Minot 99-05 there was basically nothing to do. Then, they added the indoor skate park thing....Treasure Island?... Then the BX got a TB express... The shopette was open 24/7/365. Minot's base services exceed Fairchilds by a fucking mile.

Fairchild doesn't have a 24hr shopette. We don't even have a Charleys, Popeyes or anything like that in the BX. No golf course, no club. Minot had much better base services.

Capt Alfredo
11-24-2014, 08:51 AM
When I lived in Minot 99-05 there was basically nothing to do. Then, they added the indoor skate park thing....Treasure Island?... Then the BX got a TB express... The shopette was open 24/7/365. Minot's base services exceed Fairchilds by a fucking mile.

Fairchild doesn't have a 24hr shopette. We don't even have a Charleys, Popeyes or anything like that in the BX. No golf course, no club. Minot had much better base services.

Fairchild has no golf course?!? /crosses it off retirement list

Stalwart
11-24-2014, 12:25 PM
Fairchild doesn't have a 24hr shopette. We don't even have a Charleys, Popeyes or anything like that in the BX. No golf course, no club. Minot had much better base services.

I lived on base while stationed to the active duty staff of a reserve unit in Spokane from 95-96, the base was pretty sparse. And it is a good 15-20 minutes by car from the edges of Spokane, I can't remember the name of the area just outside the base, but it was bleak.


Fairchild has no golf course?!? /crosses it off retirement list

The base is OK, but I loved Spokane; a great place if you are looking to settle down.

Measure Man
11-24-2014, 02:21 PM
I lived on base while stationed to the active duty staff of a reserve unit in Spokane from 95-96, the base was pretty sparse. And it is a good 15-20 minutes by car from the edges of Spokane, I can't remember the name of the area just outside the base, but it was bleak.

Airway Heights


The base is OK, but I loved Spokane; a great place if you are looking to settle down.

I was at Fairchild from '90-'92. Loved that area. I lived in town for the first year, then moved on base. I don't remember being bored there.

fufu
11-24-2014, 03:40 PM
Fairchild has no golf course?!? /crosses it off retirement list

No, but there are GREAT courses in Spokane for ~$30 a round(walking). Its hard to beat the cost to quality that this area offers regarding golf courses.

fufu
11-24-2014, 03:44 PM
I lived on base while stationed to the active duty staff of a reserve unit in Spokane from 95-96, the base was pretty sparse. And it is a good 15-20 minutes by car from the edges of Spokane, I can't remember the name of the area just outside the base, but it was bleak.

Airway has exploded in the last 10 years. It was, as you said, bleak in 2005. Now, there is: Panda express, Taco Bell, Carls Jr, Jack in the Box, Quiznos, Starbucks, walmart, gamestop, new apartment complexes and new houses going up everywhere. The casino has expanded 10 fold since I got here. I would never live in Airway or the base, but some like it.




The base is OK, but I loved Spokane; a great place if you are looking to settle down.

I've been here 10 years. Spokane is turning into a shit hole. The crime rate is rapidly climbing. Now, the area AROUND Spokane is awesome. As Measure Man said, its hard to get bored. We got fishing, hunting, hiking, camping, kayaking(river and lake). If I end up retiring here (4 to go), I'll move north of town towards the mountains.

Rainmaker
11-24-2014, 08:22 PM
Maybe they shouldn't have a CDC. What's the point of the military even providing a CDC, when the hours don't jive with the military members who use them?

The Best thing to do is just leave the chilluns with the commander. It's free and she really likes doing it.

Stalwart
11-24-2014, 09:12 PM
Airway has exploded in the last 10 years. It was, as you said, bleak in 2005. Now, there is: Panda express, Taco Bell, Carls Jr, Jack in the Box, Quiznos, Starbucks, walmart, gamestop, new apartment complexes and new houses going up everywhere. The casino has expanded 10 fold since I got here. I would never live in Airway or the base, but some like it.

Yeah ... there was a grocery and a couple fast food places out there when I was there.


I've been here 10 years. Spokane is turning into a shit hole. The crime rate is rapidly climbing. Now, the area AROUND Spokane is awesome. As Measure Man said, its hard to get bored. We got fishing, hunting, hiking, camping, kayaking(river and lake). If I end up retiring here (4 to go), I'll move north of town towards the mountains.

That is really too bad, 94-95 it was great & we have discussed it as a place to retire ... will have to look into the crime rate thing. I remember Spokane as all the benefits of a big city but with a really small town atmosphere. The park in downtown Spokane was awesome for running and relaxing in the summer. It was also a Friday routine to get burgers from Dicks

If you bike / off-road run go to the Bowl and Pitcher (I think) park, it had some great trails.

BRUWIN
12-02-2014, 12:41 PM
Ya'll should be grateful....Minot was colder when I was a young troop. Less to do too. Minot has it made in the shade now....whiners.

sandsjames
12-02-2014, 01:39 PM
Ya'll should be grateful....Minot was colder when I was a young troop. Less to do too. Minot has it made in the shade now....whiners.

Now this is how you do it. You should stick around as some could learn from you.

Airborne
12-04-2014, 02:30 AM
Airway has exploded in the last 10 years. It was, as you said, bleak in 2005. Now, there is: Panda express, Taco Bell, Carls Jr, Jack in the Box, Quiznos, Starbucks, walmart, gamestop, new apartment complexes and new houses going up everywhere. The casino has expanded 10 fold since I got here. I would never live in Airway or the base, but some like it.




I've been here 10 years. Spokane is turning into a shit hole. The crime rate is rapidly climbing. Now, the area AROUND Spokane is awesome. As Measure Man said, its hard to get bored. We got fishing, hunting, hiking, camping, kayaking(river and lake). If I end up retiring here (4 to go), I'll move north of town towards the mountains.

I see what absinthe is saying, but at a certain point the Air Force will have to be competitive if it wants to keep the best and brightest. Sure you can keep the uneducated and unmotivated and not provide childcare and have them stationed in Bumfook, USA but you will reap what you sow.

And yes Spokane and Minot and Elmendorf are gorgeous, but now I have to buy a freaking rifle with ammo, a hunting and fishing license, a rod and reel, a four wheeler, a truck to tow it, a tent, cold weather gear, and pay for all the training and trips to actually do it. By the time Ive amassed it all I have orders to Aviano and I cant take any of it...thanks but no thanks.

fufu
12-04-2014, 04:29 AM
I see what absinthe is saying, but at a certain point the Air Force will have to be competitive if it wants to keep the best and brightest. Sure you can keep the uneducated and unmotivated and not provide childcare and have them stationed in Bumfook, USA but you will reap what you sow.

And yes Spokane and Minot and Elmendorf are gorgeous, but now I have to buy a freaking rifle with ammo, a hunting and fishing license, a rod and reel, a four wheeler, a truck to tow it, a tent, cold weather gear, and pay for all the training and trips to actually do it. By the time Ive amassed it all I have orders to Aviano and I cant take any of it...thanks but no thanks.

Military issue cold weather gear works well. Or go in the summer where shorts and shoes work. I paid $100 for my tent or about $10 for a tarp I use for backwoods hike/camps. Kayaks/Canoes are $25 a weekend. I had a four wheeler, wasn't worth the expense, I sold it. I have a 2wd vehicle....

All in all, I have a great time. You would too.