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Absinthe Anecdote
11-16-2014, 04:19 PM
I just heard that Bill Cosby raped a white woman.

I think I'll use that as an excuse to have a riot and bust out shop windows and do some old fashioned looting...

garhkal
11-16-2014, 09:38 PM
I just heard that Bill Cosby raped a white woman.

I think I'll use that as an excuse to have a riot and bust out shop windows and do some old fashioned looting...

From what i read these allegations are 20+ years old. So surely the statue of limitations has already run out. Combine that with she supposedly signed a confidentiality agreement after the settlement, so WHY is she coming forward now?

Absinthe Anecdote
11-16-2014, 10:24 PM
From what i read these allegations are 20+ years old. So surely the statue of limitations has already run out. Combine that with she supposedly signed a confidentiality agreement after the settlement, so WHY is she coming forward now?

You think it is the woman's fault. No surprise there.

It was actually 14 different women that accused him of this over the years.

It came up again because his PR people sponsored a name the caption contest over twitter for an upcoming book release. There were hundreds of tweets about him raping women, and then paying them off.

TJMAC77SP
11-16-2014, 11:57 PM
You think it is the woman's fault. No surprise there.

It was actually 14 different women that accused him of this over the years.

It came up again because his PR people sponsored a name the caption contest over twitter for an upcoming book release. There were hundreds of tweets about him raping women, and then paying them off.

14 Women? Is that an actual number or tongue in cheek? I have seen reporting on three (albeit repeated many times).

Absinthe Anecdote
11-17-2014, 12:20 AM
14 Women? Is that an actual number or tongue in cheek? I have seen reporting on three (albeit repeated many times).

In one of the many civil suits that has been brought against him, they had 13 different women with similar stories. So that makes it 14 by my count.

Constand filed a civil suit in March 2005. Constand's lawyers said they found 13 Jane Doe witnesses with similar stories. However, Constand's suit was settled in November 2006, and the witnesses were never called. Terms have not been disclosed.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/14/showbiz/tv/bill-cosby-rape-allegations/index.html?c=&page=5

TJMAC77SP
11-17-2014, 04:00 AM
In one of the many civil suits that has been brought against him, they had 13 different women with similar stories. So that makes it 14 by my count.

Constand filed a civil suit in March 2005. Constand's lawyers said they found 13 Jane Doe witnesses with similar stories. However, Constand's suit was settled in November 2006, and the witnesses were never called. Terms have not been disclosed.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/14/showbiz/tv/bill-cosby-rape-allegations/index.html?c=&page=5

Ah, I see. Perhaps it is just a misuse of the word witness rather than victim that threw me. I wonder if Hannibal Buress has a reference to Ceelo Green in his act.

Absinthe Anecdote
11-17-2014, 11:52 AM
Ah, I see. Perhaps it is just a misuse of the word witness rather than victim that threw me. I wonder if Hannibal Buress has a reference to Ceelo Green in his act.

I understand, you get confused easily.

They were witnesses being called to testify about being drugged an raped at the hands of Cosby.

Proper usage of the word, in the context of talking about a trial.

Ceelo Green is too damn fat to rape anybody. He has such a gigantic roll of fat hanging over his belt that I bet it has been 20 years since anyone has seen his "pudding pop."

He is probably a just a molester.

TJMAC77SP
11-17-2014, 06:25 PM
I understand, you get confused easily.

They were witnesses being called to testify about being drugged an raped at the hands of Cosby.

Proper usage of the word, in the context of talking about a trial.

Ceelo Green is too damn fat to rape anybody. He has such a gigantic roll of fat hanging over his belt that I bet it has been 20 years since anyone has seen his "pudding pop."

He is probably a just a molester.

No confusion but fair enough. I still consider it misuse of the word witness. In the context of a news article.

Ceelo's fat is probably the reason he feels it necessary to drug women to have sex with him. And being a molester would be as funny as a rapist wouldn't it?

Absinthe Anecdote
11-17-2014, 07:26 PM
No confusion but fair enough. I still consider it misuse of the word witness. In the context of a news article.


Look, just lay off talking bad about CNN. I like them, I'll have to school you if you keep talking crap about them.



Ceelo's fat is probably the reason he feels it necessary to drug women to have sex with him. And being a molester would be as funny as a rapist wouldn't it?

I haven't read much about Ceelo's case, but I'll go along with blaming it on him being a fatty.

Lord knows that the fat guys that fail PT in the Air Force seem to think they are owed special treatment, and they think the standards shouldn't be applied to them.

Maybe, it has something to do with how too many fat cells produce a chemical imbalance in their brain?

Could be that their gluttonous attitude toward food is transferred to their sexual appetites. Even back in the 80s Bill Cosby was too long in the waistband.

You could be on to something with this theory.

Maybe we should legalize prostitution so these fat boys will quit raping people?

garhkal
11-17-2014, 08:30 PM
You think it is the woman's fault. No surprise there.


Where are you getting that from? I was just wanting to know, how if she signed a confidentiality clause AND the statue of limitations has ran out, is she coming forward LEGALLY now?
What is she really wanting? Another payout?

sandsjames
11-17-2014, 08:43 PM
Where are you getting that from? Surprised you still play his games.

Absinthe Anecdote
11-18-2014, 11:21 AM
Where are you getting that from? I was just wanting to know, how if she signed a confidentiality clause AND the statue of limitations has ran out, is she coming forward LEGALLY now?
What is she really wanting? Another payout?

From the words you are using, and the tone you use to depict this as merely a shakedown.

There is a pretty detailed account of all this on the CNN website, NPR has some good coverage of it too.

Of course you'll need to read more than the first couple of lines of the story.

The statute of limitations for rape and assault varies by state, but he isn't being charged with anything right now.

It is more of a PR disaster for his new book and TV series.

I'm inclined to believe these women, I think he probably did do it with the number of women talking about it.

Absinthe Anecdote
11-18-2014, 11:32 AM
Surprised you still play his games.

Not surprised that you are following me around in every thread trying to provoke me into another fight.

You have already been warned for this, but if you are still sore about me calling Christainity a fairy tale, I guess you aren't going to stop.

So go ahead and pout all you want to. You could pray for Jesus to calm your anger, but deep down I guess you know that it is just a tale of fiction.

UncaRastus
11-18-2014, 03:33 PM
I am asking you to stop doing this kind of thread hopping, to carry on your cross thread war of words.

TJMAC77SP
11-18-2014, 05:14 PM
I am asking you to stop doing this kind of thread hopping, to carry on your cross thread war of words.

I am assuming you are addressing multiple parties with this post?

UncaRastus
11-18-2014, 09:19 PM
TJMAC77SP,

Yes I am.

garhkal
11-18-2014, 09:57 PM
From the words you are using, and the tone you use to depict this as merely a shakedown.

The statute of limitations for rape and assault varies by state, but he isn't being charged with anything right now.

It is more of a PR disaster for his new book and TV series.


And is hitting him RP wize so he sells less, is NOT some sort of shakedown?

Absinthe Anecdote
11-18-2014, 11:47 PM
And is hitting him RP wize so he sells less, is NOT some sort of shakedown?

So back to my original comment before we got derailed.

You see the women as the villains. Not surprising given your anti-female posting history.

USN - Retired
11-19-2014, 05:30 AM
I'm inclined to believe these women, I think he probably did do it with the number of women talking about it.

It is quite obvious that you hate black people. Why do you hate black people?

You see black people as the villains. Not surprising given your anti-black people posting history.

Capt Alfredo
11-19-2014, 10:21 AM
It is quite obvious that you hate black people. Why do you hate black people?

You see black people as the villains. Not surprising given your anti-black people posting history.

You seem to have mistaken AA for Rainmaker.

AF Comm Guy
11-23-2014, 02:36 PM
From what i read these allegations are 20+ years old. So surely the statue of limitations has already run out. Combine that with she supposedly signed a confidentiality agreement after the settlement, so WHY is she coming forward now?

Sorry Garhkal but I have to call you out on this one. The word is STATUTE. There are three T's in the word. It is not a statue, it is a statute.

Sorry, but crap like that bugs the hell out of me. Once is a mistake but consistent word misuse reeks of ignorance.

Absinthe Anecdote
11-27-2014, 03:28 PM
Even more women coming forward with stories of Cosby drugging and raping them.

NBC cancelled his new TV show, and universities that bestowed honorary degrees and doctorates upon him are revoking them.

I'm inclined to believe these allegations.

TJMAC77SP
11-27-2014, 08:59 PM
Even more women coming forward with stories of Cosby drugging and raping them.

NBC cancelled his new TV show, and universities that bestowed honorary degrees and doctorates upon him are revoking them.

I'm inclined to believe these allegations.

Some of them seem to have merit but some don't (admittedly based on the accuser's overall credibility.......Janice Dickinson for one). Some are pretty silly to be lumped in (the former playmate who says Cosby groped her boobs). Overall though the sheer volume seems overwhelming. I can't help though but wonder about the self-fulfilling prophecy effect. All these allegations come flooding out after so much time. Many with identical stories.

I am sorry to see such a guy fall. Truly sorry. Well the guy we all thought he was. I can think of a few who won't be sorry but I am.

Absinthe Anecdote
11-27-2014, 09:47 PM
I am sorry to see such a guy fall. Truly sorry. Well the guy we all thought he was. I can think of a few who won't be sorry but I am.

He is just an actor.

Dr. Cliff Huxtable wasn't real, it was just a part he played.

TJMAC77SP
11-28-2014, 04:38 AM
He is just an actor.

Dr. Cliff Huxtable wasn't real, it was just a part he played.

No but Dr. William Cosby EdD is real (not honorary) and he was at one time a valuable spokesman for his race. He spoke a valuable truth at a time when it was needed. Of course, he was castigated for his words and now, behold, we find him vilified in general.

Absinthe Anecdote
11-28-2014, 11:15 AM
No but Dr. William Cosby EdD is real (not honorary) and he was at one time a valuable spokesman for his race. He spoke a valuable truth at a time when it was needed. Of course, he was castigated for his words and now, behold, we find him vilified in general.

I see, you don't want to believe the allegations because Cosby spoke about the need for blacks to take personal responsibility once or twice back in the 1990s.

So now, this must be a big conspiracy from vindictive Hollywood liberals and the "lame stream" media.

Why is Janice Dickinson not credible to you? She isn't claiming that he raped her to make money from what I can see.

Plus, he did seek out specifically models to mentor. From the way these women were approached, brought into his life by staffers, to their claims of being plyed with alcohol and then drugs, it sounds plausible to me. Maybe their stories line up because he was using the same method. That's plausible.

Much more plausible than a left wing smear campaign. Who specifically would order such a campaign?

Got any names of who is coordinating all these different women?

Don't try back pedaling, either. You just tried to paint a picture of this being a conspiracy to smear Cosby for presumably saying stuff about the black community that pissed liberals off.

Absurd!

TJMAC77SP
11-28-2014, 05:13 PM
I see, you don't want to believe the allegations because Cosby spoke about the need for blacks to take personal responsibility once or twice back in the 1990s.

So now, this must be a big conspiracy from vindictive Hollywood liberals and the "lame stream" media.

Why is Janice Dickinson not credible to you? She isn't claiming that he raped her to make money from what I can see.

Plus, he did seek out specifically models to mentor. From the way these women were approached, brought into his life by staffers, to their claims of being plyed with alcohol and then drugs, it sounds plausible to me. Maybe their stories line up because he was using the same method. That's plausible.

Much more plausible than a left wing smear campaign. Who specifically would order such a campaign?

Got any names of who is coordinating all these different women?

Don't try back pedaling, either. You just tried to paint a picture of this being a conspiracy to smear Cosby for presumably saying stuff about the black community that pissed liberals off.

Absurd!

I don't want to believe them because I admire Cosby. I admired Tiger too and was sad when those allegations proved true.

I have no information on any left wing conspiracy and if I did you wouldn't believe it anyway. I didn't mention Hollywood or left wing liberals. Why does it have to be those groups. Couldn't it be a conspiracy by white supremacists who want to bring down a very popular black figure? You are revealing your own agenda there.

I truly don't believe there is such a conspiracy. Merely that there is a coincidence and that some people will jump to believe all the claims for their own personal reasons. Seems you are the one reading conspiracies where there are none. My comment was more of an acknowledgement of those who will be gleeful over these developments. You seem to be one of them.

There is no 'presumably' about Cosby's words pissing off liberals and the black community.

I don't jump to believe Janice Dickenson because she is an attention whore whose time in the limelight has faded (again).

I didn't dismiss all the claims and in fact said some seem to have merit. While you could be right about the commonality in behavior traits it is very unusual when the stories match so precisely. That doesn't mean they are all lying. It only means that some of them could be lying.

Absinthe Anecdote
11-28-2014, 08:39 PM
I don't want to believe them because I admire Cosby. I admired Tiger too and was sad when those allegations proved true.

I have no information on any left wing conspiracy and if I did you wouldn't believe it anyway. I didn't mention Hollywood or left wing liberals. Why does it have to be those groups. Couldn't it be a conspiracy by white supremacists who want to bring down a very popular black figure? You are revealing your own agenda there.

I truly don't believe there is such a conspiracy. Merely that there is a coincidence and that some people will jump to believe all the claims for their own personal reasons. Seems you are the one reading conspiracies where there are none. My comment was more of an acknowledgement of those who will be gleeful over these developments. You seem to be one of them.

There is no 'presumably' about Cosby's words pissing off liberals and the black community.

I don't jump to believe Janice Dickenson because she is an attention whore whose time in the limelight has faded (again).

I didn't dismiss all the claims and in fact said some seem to have merit. While you could be right about the commonality in behavior traits it is very unusual when the stories match so precisely. That doesn't mean they are all lying. It only means that some of them could be lying.

Oh I get it.

You tried floating an ambiguous conspiracy theory. I promptly shot that down, and now you're calling a rape victim a whore.

Tsk Tsk.

TJMAC77SP
11-28-2014, 09:17 PM
Oh I get it.

You tried floating an ambiguous conspiracy theory. I promptly shot that down, and now you're calling a rape victim a whore.

Tsk Tsk.

Please put a little more imagination and effort into your bullshit please. At least make it worthwhile to respond to.

Hey, will this go into the spreadsheet as a victory for you?

Absinthe Anecdote
11-29-2014, 03:13 AM
Please put a little more imagination and effort into your bullshit please. At least make it worthwhile to respond to.

Hey, will this go into the spreadsheet as a victory for you?

I know what upsets you about Cosby's fall, it is the fact that he chastised black people.
That's what you liked about him, isn't it?

Don't fear, I went out and found you this ghostbuster looking dude. He really lets black people have it.

Now you can ditch Bill "the rapist" Cosby.

Enjoy your new hero... Jonathan Gentry (Winston from the Ghostbusters)


http://youtu.be/bODH1dG3avY

Absinthe Anecdote
11-29-2014, 03:26 AM
If the ghostbuster dude isn't enough, here is another dude you'll like.

Bill Cosby wasn't a rarity amongst black people, plenty of other black folks that preach personal responsibility. You don't have to support a rapist like Cosby.


http://youtu.be/xpsQwl_19M4

TJMAC77SP
11-29-2014, 04:29 AM
I know what upsets you about Cosby's fall, it is the fact that he chastised black people.
That's what you liked about him, isn't it?

Don't fear, I went out and found you this ghostbuster looking dude. He really lets black people have it.

Now you can ditch Bill "the rapist" Cosby.

Enjoy your new hero... Jonathan Gentry (Winston from the Ghostbusters)


http://youtu.be/bODH1dG3avY


Is THIS you putting more effort and imagination into your vomitus?

Everyone who thinks in any way differently than you is just evil aren't they?

Up to a week ago you wouldn't have dreamed of labeling Cosby a rapist. Now it's the soup du jour so jump on. Try, just try to have an original thought.

I only like Bill Cosby because he spoke against blacks so I am a racist.

I am a right wing Christian

Wait...........I'm not Christian enough.

How fucking ridiculous can you get? Really? Actually that is a rhetorical question because my guess is that it has no boundaries.

Absinthe Anecdote
11-29-2014, 04:59 AM
Come on TJ, why not be honest? When I pressed you on why you liked Cosby so much, this is what you said.


No but Dr. William Cosby EdD is real (not honorary) and he was at one time a valuable spokesman for his race. He spoke a valuable truth at a time when it was needed. Of course, he was castigated for his words and now, behold, we find him vilified in general.

Don't get all huffy about it now.

After all, I did find you a couple of new friends. Which one do you like the best, the ghostbuster dude or the guy in the red shirt?

I like the guy in the red shirt better, ghostbuster is a little too intense. However, both of these guys are more sincere than Cosby.

Plus, as far as I know, they have never drugged and raped any women like Cosby did.

So, stop yelling at me and enjoy your new friends.

TJMAC77SP
11-29-2014, 05:36 AM
Come on TJ, why not be honest? When I pressed you on why you liked Cosby so much, this is what you said.



Don't get all huffy about it now.

After all, I did find you a couple of new friends. Which one do you like the best, the ghostbuster dude or the guy in the red shirt?

I like the guy in the red shirt better, ghostbuster is a little too intense. However, both of these guys are more sincere than Cosby.

Plus, as far as I know, they have never drugged and raped any women like Cosby did.

So, stop yelling at me and enjoy your new friends.

Exactly what did I say that you find so abhorrent? Aside from the fact that I said it?

Yelling?

That smell. It's back.

Absinthe Anecdote
11-29-2014, 06:03 AM
Exactly what did I say that you find so abhorrent? Aside from the fact that I said it?

Yelling?

That smell. It's back.

I wouldn't describe what you said as abhorrent. Shallow and indicative of an uptight attitude is more like it.

I merely pointed out that Cosby is just an actor, and that Dr. Huxtable is just a character he played.

Then you come back with a bunch of stuffy bullshit about him speaking a valuable truth.

You are better off admiring those two dudes I posted videos of. They aren't rapists, and they are real.

Stop yelling at me. You embarrassed yourself, I only highlighted your embarrassing words.

sandsjames
11-29-2014, 11:30 AM
I wouldn't describe what you said as abhorrent. Shallow and indicative of an uptight attitude is more like it.

I merely pointed out that Cosby is just an actor, and that Dr. Huxtable is just a character he played.

Then you come back with a bunch of stuffy bullshit about him speaking a valuable truth.

You are better off admiring those two dudes I posted videos of. They aren't rapists, and they are real.

Stop yelling at me. You embarrassed yourself, I only highlighted your embarrassing words.

Actually, we don't know if those 2 are rapists or not. Let's give it 30 years and see how it goes before we make any assumptions.

Absinthe Anecdote
11-29-2014, 01:07 PM
Actually, we don't know if those 2 are rapists or not. Let's give it 30 years and see how it goes before we make any assumptions.

Don't come in here and start trash talking TJ's new friends. They are speaking a valuable truth when we need it the most.

Rusty Jones
12-02-2014, 12:39 PM
Looks like Bill Cosby has a friend - a female friend - who is standing by him. Who? Jill Scott - who, much like John Legend, is a clean soul singer with a fan base that spans people of all colors, who don't even necessarily listen to hip hop and/or mainstream R&B - a rarity since the 1970's. So far, she appears to be the first celebrity to have stood up for him. Will others follow? We'll see...

http://thegrio.com/2014/12/01/jill-scott-cosby/

Absinthe Anecdote
12-02-2014, 04:56 PM
Looks like Bill Cosby has a friend - a female friend - who is standing by him. Who? Jill Scott - who, much like John Legend, is a clean soul singer with a fan base that spans people of all colors, who don't even necessarily listen to hip hop and/or mainstream R&B - a rarity since the 1970's. So far, she appears to be the first celebrity to have stood up for him. Will others follow? We'll see...

http://thegrio.com/2014/12/01/jill-scott-cosby/

She doesn't have enough star power to turn the tide.

The people who do have enough stardom and influence are not likely to risk their popularity on Cosby.

He is in the twilight of his life, and the door has been slammed on his career.

It is over for him.

Rainmaker
12-02-2014, 05:18 PM
She doesn't have enough star power to turn the tide.

The people who do have enough stardom and influence are not likely to risk their popularity on Cosby.

He is in the twilight of his life, and the door has been slammed on his career.

It is over for him.

Cosby got cross-threaded with the owners. He's finished in Hollywood.

sandsjames
12-02-2014, 05:42 PM
This case is really no different than the Michael Jackson case. Those who like him are going to believe his denial of allegations and those who don't are going to attack him. Pointless, really.

Either way, I still think he's funny. If I didn't watch TV or movies, or listen to music, from "stars" with a questionable past, I'd be stuck in a dark room. I still think O.J.'s role in "Naked Gun" was funny as hell and have never thought about changing the channel when it comes on.

People, for some reason, feel like they have a closeness with celebrities and that leads to very emotional feelings about these instances. If we/they/people/ quit putting them on a pedestal we wouldn't have this issue.

I still can't get my wife to watch a Brad Pitt or Angelina Jolie movie because she's a Jennifer Anniston fan. It's ridiculous, but with all the media/social media, people take things much more personally, for whatever reason.

Measure Man
12-02-2014, 05:50 PM
This case is really no different than the Michael Jackson case. Those who like him are going to believe his denial of allegations and those who don't are going to attack him. Pointless, really.

Either way, I still think he's funny. If I didn't watch TV or movies, or listen to music, from "stars" with a questionable past, I'd be stuck in a dark room. I still think O.J.'s role in "Naked Gun" was funny as hell and have never thought about changing the channel when it comes on.

People, for some reason, feel like they have a closeness with celebrities and that leads to very emotional feelings about these instances. If we/they/people/ quit putting them on a pedestal we wouldn't have this issue.

I still can't get my wife to watch a Brad Pitt or Angelina Jolie movie because she's a Jennifer Anniston fan. It's ridiculous, but with all the media/social media, people take things much more personally, for whatever reason.

I've seen enough people that have creepy sexual habits that none of this stuff surprises me anymore.

Rainmaker
12-02-2014, 06:12 PM
I've seen enough people that have creepy sexual habits that none of this stuff surprises me anymore.

So, Dr. Huxtable has a fetish for white women?? Shocker!

IF these allegations are true. Than, they've known about it and covered it up for decades.

But, the current narrative drama (being played out on MSM real-time) is that blacks are nothing more than helpless victims of a racist society and therefore, not responsible for the pitiful condition of their community.

Cosby is much loved and highly respected in the White community. So, before this shit show, it was necessary to discredit the main Black man out there voicing a different narrative (personal responsibility).

Same thing that played out with Petraeus and his bimbo, Re: Bengahzi. Defame him with a personal scandal and sideline his opinion.

Rusty Jones
12-02-2014, 06:26 PM
Interestingly enough, Phylicia Rashad is nowhere to be found. Not a peep. Does anyone find that a bit strange?

http://2paragraphs.com/2014/11/phylicia-rashads-strange-distance-from-bill-cosby/


As the heat turns up on comedian Bill Cosby–with more accusations of predatory behavior surfacing–it’s fascinating to watch the woman most inextricably linked with Cosby in the public mind speak about him. Phylicia Rashad played Claire Huxtable, lawyer and wife to Cosby’s patriarch on The Cosby Show for eight years. The Cosby Show was one of the most influential TV shows in history, and the easy intimacy between the husband and wife characters was a big part of its success. Last April in an interview with The Grio, Rashad talked about Cosby–and in light of the accusations the interview (like everything associated with Cosby now) is strange to watch.

Rashad, while enormously complimentary of her former co-star, never calls him by his first name–always referring to him reverentially (and distantly) as “Mr. Cosby.” (So much for that easy intimacy.) Talking about the influence of The Cosby Show–and the possibility that without it there would be no Barack Obama presidency–Rashad emotionally responds: “I think that is a great compliment to Mr. Cosby, because it was his sensibilities that were at the root of The Cosby Show.” When it was announced last spring that Cosby would return to TV with a new show, Rashad’s reaction was again reverential: “I am so grateful at just the prospect–the prospect–of his return to network television. It makes me so happy. So joyful.” She also said “Anytime Mr. Cosby calls, I’m there,” said Rashad. “But he’s not going to call me for this. And he doesn’t have to. And it’s just fine.” The interviewer asks why not? Rashad repeats again with strange emphasis: “he doesn’t have to and it’s just fine–okay?” Fine why? She won’t say.

Measure Man
12-02-2014, 06:54 PM
So, Dr. Huxtable has a fetish for white women?? Shocker!

Well, more about the rapey part than than the race seems to shock people, I think.


IF these allegations are true. Than, they've known about it and covered it up for decades.

But, the current narrative drama (being played out on MSM real-time) is that blacks are nothing more than helpless victims of a racist society and therefore, not responsible for the pitiful condition of their community.

Cosby is much loved and highly respected in the White community. So, before this shit show, it was necessary to discredit the main Black man out there voicing a different narrative (personal responsibility).

Same thing that played out with Petraeus and his bimbo, Re: Bengahzi. Defame him with a personal scandal and sideline his opinion.

Too much crazy for me, dude...

Rainmaker
12-02-2014, 07:17 PM
Well, more about the rapey part than than the race seems to shock people, I think.



Too much crazy for me, dude...

So, if there's any credible evidence that he's actually a rapist why, then hasn't he been charged with a crime?
As for crazy. one's perception of reality doesn't change reality. It only changes how we see it. Truth is stranger than fiction and there is no spoon Neo. Gnomesayin?

Rusty Jones
12-02-2014, 07:18 PM
So, if there's any credible evidence that he's a rapist why, then hasn't he been charged with a crime?

Because the statute of limitations has been exceeded.

Measure Man
12-02-2014, 07:25 PM
So, if there's any credible evidence that he's actually a rapist why, then hasn't he been charged with a crime?

Money, influence...the inherent difficulty of proving beyond a reasonable doubt a He Said/She Said situation...moreso back in the 70s and 80s when most of his alleged crimes allegedly happened.


As for crazy. one's perception of reality doesn't change reality. It only changes how we see it.

Right. Just because a "friend of the Whites" is disgraced, doesn't mean some secret cabal of MSM or whoever did it.


Truth is stranger than fiction and there is no spoon Neo. Gnomesayin?

no, I don't get the "spoon Neo." reference.

Rainmaker
12-02-2014, 07:28 PM
Could be Depending on the state. Rainmaker don't have a TV and honestly hasn't been following the story, that close since, it's an obvious smear campaign. How many years ago did the old man that is going blind and can't defend himself against the charges decide to stop raping all those white women?

Rainmaker
12-02-2014, 07:34 PM
Money, influence...the inherent difficulty of proving beyond a reasonable doubt a He Said/She Said situation...moreso back in the 70s and 80s when most of his alleged crimes allegedly happened.



Right. Just because a "friend of the Whites" is disgraced, doesn't mean some secret cabal of MSM or whoever did it.



no, I don't get the "spoon Neo." reference.

It's not really a secret.

The MSM is a propaganda tool. Look at this way. If someone tells you the truth once or twice and then tells you a lie 24/7 500 times a day for months on end, which version of a story do you think the average person would be more inclined to believe?

Measure Man
12-02-2014, 08:41 PM
It's not really a secret.

The MSM is a propaganda tool. Look at this way. If someone tells you the truth once or twice and then tells you a lie 24/7 500 times a day for months on end, which version of a story do you think the average person would be more inclined to believe?

Bill Cosby was able to suppress these allegations to a low level for years until a social media PR campaign backfired on him...that's all that has happened here.

MSM didn't make this story up...nor did they cover it up for years...the allegations happened, and the rising interest in it happened on social media.

So...you believe these charges are trumped up because...if true "they" would have had to cover for Bill Cosby for years...and "they" wouldn't do that because Cosby wants to get the black people off of welfare.

So, these allegations must be a complete fabrication, the 19 women are hired actresses or patsies, maybe opportunists...and "they" are doing this because Bill Cosby, although black is a friend of the white people...and any friend of the white people is an enemy of "they"...Cosby spoke to blacks about personal responsibility...because "they" are afraid his message might actually resonate with the welfare blacks who would then take responsibility for themselves, come off of welfare and no longer vote Democrat...is that about right?

...might make a good rainy day novel...but I think you're kind of out there. Of course, it could be because I'm just an average person, not gifted with your supreme knowledge of all things.

BENDER56
12-02-2014, 08:58 PM
This case is really no different than the Michael Jackson case. Those who like him are going to believe his denial of allegations and those who don't are going to attack him. Pointless, really.

Either way, I still think he's funny. If I didn't watch TV or movies, or listen to music, from "stars" with a questionable past, I'd be stuck in a dark room. I still think O.J.'s role in "Naked Gun" was funny as hell and have never thought about changing the channel when it comes on.

People, for some reason, feel like they have a closeness with celebrities and that leads to very emotional feelings about these instances. If we/they/people/ quit putting them on a pedestal we wouldn't have this issue.

I still can't get my wife to watch a Brad Pitt or Angelina Jolie movie because she's a Jennifer Anniston fan. It's ridiculous, but with all the media/social media, people take things much more personally, for whatever reason.

This is an old dilemma. Do we judge the art separate from the artist, or should the artist's behavior be included in our assessment of the art? I first encountered this in 1980 when I was about to tell an acquaintance about a movie I just saw; Atlantic City. He unceremoniously cut me off and said, "I won't see any Louis Malle films 'cause I don't agree with his politics." Huh? "What the hell does that have to do with anything," I thought (but didn't say).

Many great artists were horrible people or, at least, behaved unsavorily. Typically, but not always, the public overlooks the shortcomings of those who create works that are widely celebrated.

sandsjames
12-02-2014, 09:10 PM
This is an old dilemma. Do we judge the art separate from the artist, or should the artist's behavior be included in our assessment of the art? I first encountered this in 1980 when I was about to tell an acquaintance about a movie I just saw; Atlantic City. He unceremoniously cut me off and said, "I won't see any Louis Malle films 'cause I don't agree with his politics." Huh? "What the hell does that have to do with anything," I thought (but didn't say).

Many great artists were horrible people or, at least, behaved unsavorily. Typically, but not always, the public overlooks the shortcomings of those who create works that are widely celebrated.

Yep. Hell, who would ever listen to any sort of Pop/Rock/Rap music if we were worried about the actions of the singer/group off the stage? It's the reality TV show era that's changing the response to TV/Movie stars. As I mentioned earlier, people feel like they know these celebrities by either A)their character on a show or B) there persona during interviews.

I try to avoid all the gossip from this stuff because I just don't care.

BENDER56
12-02-2014, 09:16 PM
I try to avoid all the gossip from this stuff because I just don't care.

That's wise.

Rainmaker
12-02-2014, 10:05 PM
Bill Cosby was able to suppress these allegations to a low level for years until a social media PR campaign backfired on him...that's all that has happened here.

MSM didn't make this story up...nor did they cover it up for years...the allegations happened, and the rising interest in it happened on social media.

So...you believe these charges are trumped up because...if true "they" would have had to cover for Bill Cosby for years...and "they" wouldn't do that because Cosby wants to get the black people off of welfare.

So, these allegations must be a complete fabrication, the 19 women are hired actresses or patsies, maybe opportunists...and "they" are doing this because Bill Cosby, although black is a friend of the white people...and any friend of the white people is an enemy of "they"...Cosby spoke to blacks about personal responsibility...because "they" are afraid his message might actually resonate with the welfare blacks who would then take responsibility for themselves, come off of welfare and no longer vote Democrat...is that about right?

...might make a good rainy day novel...but I think you're kind of out there. Of course, it could be because I'm just an average person, not gifted with your supreme knowledge of all things.


what I'm saying is the alleged 19 women are doing it because, they are getting paid.

The motivation for the people paying them is what is unknown. Do, You think if an attention whore like Janice Dickinson had had a bombshell like this back in 1982, she wouldn't have come out with it before? The only thing that made her relevant (her looks) is long gone. These people sell their souls for fame. Hell, that skank can't keep her grotesque silicone injected ass off the TV. No dignity, whatsoever, but, the MSM treating her like Mother Teresa.


Think of all the sex scandals in the last 25 years. If it's true. Then, The media most definitely ignored this story. It was just not Kosher to criticize Cosby before. But, now suddenly it's open season on Doctor Huxtable? Oh, yeah, Forgot... no one knew about it until twitter. and the press is objective and only reports truth. Keep sticking your head in the sand.

The story is either fabricated or it has been intentionally suppressed until now. They are dragging his name through the mud crucifying him in the court of public opinion without a shred of actual evidence.

Measure Man
12-02-2014, 10:32 PM
No what I'm saying is the motivation for the alleged 19 women is because, they are getting paid.

Are you talking about they are being paid to give their story in interviews...or they were paid to create a story?

I mean anytime someone is paying for a story, there is a chance someone will make one up to get that money...but, I don't think someone dug up 19 women and had them invent stories, no.

Is it possible a few of them jumped on for an appearance fee because they spent time with Cosby way back when and now they need the money...sure.


The motivation for the people paying them is what is unknown.

Primetime ratings...


Do, You think if an attention whore like Janice Dickinson had had a bombshell like this back in 1982, she wouldn't have come out with it before? The only thing that made her relevant (her looks) is long gone.

I don't know anything about her and never heard of her before this story, to my knowledge. Is it possible that she needed a few bucks so jumped on this opportunity...sure. Does that make it a secret conspiracy to disgrace Bill Cosby because he wants to get black people off the Free Shit Army because that would threaten someone in power...sorry, a bridge too far.


These people sell their souls for fame. Hell, that skank can't keep her grotesque silicone injected ass off the TV. No dignity, whatsoever, but, the MSM treating her like Mother Teresa.

Think of all the sex scandals in the last 25 years. The media most definitely ignored this story. It was not Kosher to criticize Cosby before.

Oh...i'ts a Jewish thing? Got it.

I keep wondering when my wife is going to get invited to the secret meetings.


But, now suddenly it's open season on Doctor Huxtable? Oh, yeah right no one knew about it until twitter. Keep sticking your head in the sand.

No...but these things just have a way of building momentum.


The story is either fabricated or it has been intentionally suppressed until now. They are dragging his name through the mud crucifying him in the court of public opinion without a shred of actual evidence.

...and you have actual evidence of this conspiracy, right? LOL.

Rainmaker
12-02-2014, 10:37 PM
Are you talking about they are being paid to give their story in interviews...or they were paid to create a story?

I mean anytime someone is paying for a story, there is a chance someone will make one up to get that money...but, I don't think someone dug up 19 women and had them invent stories, no.

Is it possible a few of them jumped on for an appearance fee because they spent time with Cosby way back when and now they need the money...sure.



Primetime ratings...



I don't know anything about her and never heard of her before this story, to my knowledge. Is it possible that she needed a few bucks so jumped on this opportunity...sure. Does that make it a secret conspiracy to disgrace Bill Cosby because he wants to get black people off the Free Shit Army because that would threaten someone in power...sorry, a bridge too far.



Oh...i'ts a Jewish thing? Got it.

I keep wondering when my wife is going to get invited to the secret meetings.



No...but these things just have a way of building momentum.



...and you have actual evidence of this conspiracy, right? LOL.

No offense. But,There's a difference between being Jewish and being a Jewish supremacist (Zionist). And you don't have to be Jewish to be the latter. Of course we're not supposed to talk about that in this country or this forum. Less Gannet risk getting sued. So, we'll have to drop it Now. As far evidence. Rainmaker don't need to know every detail of how a Con works to recognize when he's being Conned. Nomsayin?

Measure Man
12-02-2014, 10:40 PM
There's a difference between Jewish and Jewish supremacist (Zionist). And you don't have to be Jewish to be the latter. Of course we're not allowed to talk about it in this country or this forum. Less Gannet get sued. So, we'll have to drop it Now. As far evidence. Rainmaker don't need to know every detail of how a Con works to recognize when he's being Conned.

...and MM don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows...

Rainmaker
12-02-2014, 10:41 PM
...and MM don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows...

Don't piss down Rainmaker's back and tell him it's Raining weatherman!

TJMAC77SP
12-03-2014, 12:37 AM
what I'm saying is the alleged 19 women are doing it because, they are getting paid.

The motivation for the people paying them is what is unknown. Do, You think if an attention whore like Janice Dickinson had had a bombshell like this back in 1982, she wouldn't have come out with it before? The only thing that made her relevant (her looks) is long gone. These people sell their souls for fame. Hell, that skank can't keep her grotesque silicone injected ass off the TV. No dignity, whatsoever, but, the MSM treating her like Mother Teresa.


Think of all the sex scandals in the last 25 years. If it's true. Then, The media most definitely ignored this story. It was just not Kosher to criticize Cosby before. But, now suddenly it's open season on Doctor Huxtable? Oh, yeah, Forgot... no one knew about it until twitter. and the press is objective and only reports truth. Keep sticking your head in the sand.

The story is either fabricated or it has been intentionally suppressed until now. They are dragging his name through the mud crucifying him in the court of public opinion without a shred of actual evidence.

I think it is a stretch at this point to dismiss all the people coming forward or to accuse all of them of getting paid for their stories. My understanding is that the major networks will not pay for a story. Unfortunately that doesn't keep them from repeating a story first reported by an outlet that will pay.

I do doubt the veracity of some of the 'victims' (which as I have said includes Janice Dickinson). Unfortunately it would seem there is at least some truth or a version thereof to these stories.

I do believe there are people who are completely overjoyed at Cosby's predicament and it has nothing to do with not liking his TV show(s).

With regard to 'without a shred of evidence', that is unfortunately a byproduct of delayed reporting of rape and sexual assault. There often is no evidence to begin with and certainly none years later. Sometimes this is because of false reporting but sometimes it just a function of time.

And.................MM..............I think you knew what Rainmaker meant by 'kosher'.

Absinthe Anecdote
12-03-2014, 12:59 AM
EXCLUSIVE: Ex-NBC employee Frank Scotti claims Bill Cosby paid off women, invited young models to dressing room as he stood guard

Veteran NBC employee Frank Scotti says he helped Bill Cosby deliver thousands of dollars to eight different women in 1989-90 - including Shawn Thompson, whose daughter Autumn Jackson claimed the actor was her dad. The ex-aide also tells the Daily News he stood guard whenever Cosby invited young models to his dressing room, which eventually led him to quitting after years on the job.

Back when Bill Cosby was the king of network television, veteran NBC employee Frank Scotti served as the royal fixer.

When Cosby invited young models into his Brooklyn dressing room, the megastar’s pal stood watch outside the door. When the married Cosby sought a Queens apartment for another pretty face, Scotti arranged the deal.

And when the man behind Fat Albert needed cash disbursed to his flock of single female friends — hey, hey, hey — Scotti became the conduit for payments of up to $2,000 a month.

“He had everybody fooled,” said Scotti in an exclusive interview with the Daily News. “Nobody suspected.”

Scotti came forward last week with his insider’s look at Cosby’s womanizing ways during the magical 1984-92 run of “The Cosby Show.”

Former NBC employee Frank Scotti came forward last week with his insider's look at Cosby's womanizing ways during the 1984-92 run of "The Cosby Show."

Former NBC employee Frank Scotti came forward last week with his insider's look at Cosby's womanizing ways during the 1984-92 run of "The Cosby Show."
The 90-year-old Scotti said he decided to speak as the drumbeat of sexual abuse allegations against Cosby, 77, grew steadily louder. “I felt sorry for the women,” he told The News.

The Emmy-winning Cosby, NBC’s most bankable star at the time, used Scotti to deliver monthly payouts to eight different women in 1989-90 — including Shawn Thompson, whose daughter Autumn Jackson claimed the actor was her dad.

Cosby, while denying paternity, paid out more than $100,000 to Thompson over the years after their 1974 affair began. Scotti told The News that he believes Cosby was sleeping with all the women who received money.

“I was suspicious that something was going on,” said Scotti. “I suspected that he was having sex with them because the other person he was sending money to (Thompson) he was definitely having sex with.

“Why else would he be sending money?” Scotti asked. “He was sending these women $2,000 a month. What else could I think?”

Scotti, who lives in Lakewood, N.J., saved copies of money orders from the era detailing his payouts to four of the Cosby women.

He recalled Cosby presenting him with “a satchel of money, all $100 bills,” and pressing Scotti to distribute the payments using money orders in his own name.

“I did a lot of crazy things for him,” recalled Scotti. “He was covering himself by having my name on it. It was a coverup. I realized it later.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/bill-cosby-paid-women-ex-nbc-employee-article-1.2020464

More than women coming forward, other staffers are beginning to talk too.



http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/confidential/cbs-women-curry-favor-article-1.2020179

Female staffers at “The Late Show With David Letterman” are breathing a collective sigh of relief they don’t have to deal with an upcoming Bill Cosby appearance. A source close to the show tells Confidenti@l that the disgraced comic had some truly bizarre backstage requests.

“He’d include as a request, before he arrived, that the young girls, interns and assistants, all had to gather around in the green room backstage and sit down and watch him eat curry,” our stunned source explains. “No one would say anything, and he would sit silently eating and make us watch and want us to watch.”

In the wake of multiple women accusing Cosby of raping them, his latest visit to the CBS show has been canceled. But when the 77- year-old comic appeared multiple times over the years, he’d act alarmingly gross to the women employees.

While our source adds that everyone hated the odd preshow ritual, they were asked by producers to do it because “that’s what he (Cosby) wanted.”

sandsjames
12-03-2014, 01:11 AM
More than women coming forward, other staffers are beginning to talk too.


Kinda funny that this behavior wasn't mentioned, leaked, or otherwise made public at the time or even later on. I'm sure several interns could have used a good paycheck to take it public, especially in 80s/90s when Cosby was still relevant. Just because the producers let it go doesn't explain why nobody else spoke up.

Measure Man
12-03-2014, 01:30 AM
And.................MM..............I think you knew what Rainmaker meant by 'kosher'.

Well, I thought it might be a metaphor And not really a Jew thing, but he sure doubled down on that and removed any doubt, don't you think?

TJMAC77SP
12-03-2014, 02:16 AM
Well, I thought it might be a metaphor And not really a Jew thing, but he sure doubled down on that and removed any doubt, don't you think?

Yeah, I suppose he did.

SENDBILLMONEY
12-03-2014, 02:52 AM
More than women coming forward, other staffers are beginning to talk too.


http://www.nydailynews.com/entertain...icle-1.2020179

Female staffers at “The Late Show With David Letterman” are breathing a collective sigh of relief they don’t have to deal with an upcoming Bill Cosby appearance. A source close to the show tells Confidenti@l that the disgraced comic had some truly bizarre backstage requests.

“He’d include as a request, before he arrived, that the young girls, interns and assistants, all had to gather around in the green room backstage and sit down and watch him eat curry,” our stunned source explains. “No one would say anything, and he would sit silently eating and make us watch and want us to watch.”

In the wake of multiple women accusing Cosby of raping them, his latest visit to the CBS show has been canceled. But when the 77- year-old comic appeared multiple times over the years, he’d act alarmingly gross to the women employees.

While our source adds that everyone hated the odd preshow ritual, they were asked by producers to do it because “that’s what he (Cosby) wanted.”

If that particular story is true, the failure is on the part of the producers for having "asked" female employees to indulge the creepy request. I don't care who they're trying to book, any ethical boss would have refused to go along with it.

Absinthe Anecdote
12-03-2014, 03:15 AM
Kinda funny that this behavior wasn't mentioned, leaked, or otherwise made public at the time or even later on. I'm sure several interns could have used a good paycheck to take it public, especially in 80s/90s when Cosby was still relevant. Just because the producers let it go doesn't explain why nobody else spoke up.

I think they probably feel safer now that everyone is walking away from Cosby. They stood the chance of losing their jobs back then; just because they had a some dirt on Cosby doesn't mean they could turn it into big bucks either.

Absinthe Anecdote
12-03-2014, 03:41 AM
If that particular story is true, the failure is on the part of the producers for having "asked" female employees to indulge the creepy request. I don't care who they're trying to book, any ethical boss would have refused to go along with it.

I agree, but I also think stories like this are a strong indicator to Cosby's true character.

Absinthe Anecdote
12-03-2014, 03:55 AM
I do believe there are people who are completely overjoyed at Cosby's predicament and it has nothing to do with not liking his TV show(s).




Why do you keep saying crap like this? What does it matter one way or another if some people on the sidelines don't like Cosby?

Rainmaker
12-03-2014, 04:50 AM
If that particular story is true, the failure is on the part of the producers for having "asked" female employees to indulge the creepy request. I don't care who they're trying to book, any ethical boss would have refused to go along with it.

Well, that settles it then. No more need for discussion. it just HAS to be true if it was posted in the race baiting NY Daily Fishwrapper owned by this guy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortimer_Zuckerman

http://easthamptonstar.com/News/2013911/Police-Seek-License-Review-After-Zuckerman-Struck-Two-Cars


http://zoa.org/2014/12/10268110-ny-daily-news-zoa-honors-alan-dershowitz-mort-zuckerman/

TJMAC77SP
12-03-2014, 05:01 AM
Why do you keep saying crap like this? What does it matter one way or another if some people on the sidelines don't like Cosby?

Why does it not matter? Why does it bother you so much?

Isn't it good enough that I have said that many of the stories have credence? Why the cherry picking?

Let me ask you something...............do you have any doubts whatsoever about the 'curry eating audience' story?

Absinthe Anecdote
12-03-2014, 05:21 AM
Why does it not matter? Why does it bother you so much?

Isn't it good enough that I have said that many of the stories have credence? Why the cherry picking?

Let me ask you something...............do you have any doubts whatsoever about the 'curry eating audience' story?

That sounds pretty weird, but I think it is plausible. There is always doubt when a source isn't named like in the curry story.

Why not answer my question? Why do you keep bringing up "people are overjoyed"?

TJMAC77SP
12-03-2014, 05:25 AM
That sounds pretty weird, but I think it is plausible. There is always doubt when a source isn't named like in the curry story.

Why not answer my question? Why do you keep bringing up "people are overjoyed"?

Well, you didn't answer my question but to answer yours......it's pretty simple.........I believe it.

But let's look at my words in their context. I was answering Rainmaker's post about the payment and motivation of the accusers and those 'paying' them.


whatI'm saying is the alleged 19 women are doing it because, they are getting paid.

The motivation for the people paying them is what is unknown. Do, You think ifan attention whore like Janice Dickinson had had a bombshell like this back in1982, she wouldn't have come out with it before? The only thing that made herrelevant (her looks) is long gone. These people sell their souls for fame.Hell, that skank can't keep her grotesque silicone injected ass off the TV. Nodignity, whatsoever, but, the MSM treating her like Mother Teresa.


Think of all the sex scandals in the last 25 years. If it's true. Then, Themedia most definitely ignored this story. It was just not Kosher to criticizeCosby before. But, now suddenly it's open season on Doctor Huxtable? Oh, yeah,Forgot... no one knew about it until twitter. and the press is objective andonly reports truth. Keep sticking your head in the sand.

The story is either fabricated or it has been intentionally suppressed untilnow. They are dragging his name through the mud crucifying him in the court ofpublic opinion without a shred of actual evidence.

Ithink it is a stretch at this point to dismiss all the people coming forward orto accuse all of them of getting paid for their stories. My understanding isthat the major networks will not pay for a story. Unfortunately that doesn'tkeep them from repeating a story first reported by an outlet that will pay.

I do doubt the veracity of some of the 'victims' (which as I have said includesJanice Dickinson). Unfortunately it would seem there is at least some truth ora version thereof to these stories.

I do believe there are people who are completely overjoyed at Cosby'spredicament and it has nothing to do with not liking his TV show(s)……………. .

So again, why does it not mater and why does it bother you so much?

TJMAC77SP
12-03-2014, 05:33 AM
That sounds pretty weird, but I think it is plausible. There is always doubt when a source isn't named like in the curry story.

It seems the only reporting is the NY Daily News article. Other outlets are merely quoting that story.

I have heard of some very weird 'riders' in appearance contracts but that one is way over the top. At this point I am not sure where the top is with regard to Cosby stories.

Absinthe Anecdote
12-03-2014, 05:37 AM
Well, you didn't answer my question but to answer yours......it's pretty simple.........I believe it.

But let's look at my words in their context. I was answering Rainmaker's post about the payment and motivation of the accusers and those 'paying' them.





So again, why does it not mater and why does it bother you so much?


Because it sounds like a ridiculously weak attempt to discredit the allegations.

I don't know if that is why you keep bringing it up, but I think it might be, so that is why I'm asking about it.

If I was your Flight Chief, I'd make you respond on foot to the other side of the base right now.

What the fuck?

Stop being so hard headed!

Stalwart
12-03-2014, 12:00 PM
it just HAS to be true if it was posted in the race baiting NY Daily Fishwrapper owned by this guy.

Fair enough, but remember that the 'news' outlet that first broke that John Edwards was messing around with that gal while he was running for President was the National Enquirer.

It makes me rethink all those stories about Elvis now.

Absinthe Anecdote
12-03-2014, 12:07 PM
Fair enough, but remember that the 'news' outlet that first broke that John Edwards was messing around with that gal while he was running for President was the National Enquirer.

It makes me rethink all those stories about Elvis now.

Actually the National Enquirer is pretty good at covering sex scandal stories. That is what they have a strong background in, especially in the entertainment industry.

Rusty Jones
12-03-2014, 12:10 PM
Fair enough, but remember that the 'news' outlet that first broke that John Edwards was messing around with that gal while he was running for President was the National Enquirer.

It makes me rethink all those stories about Elvis now.

I didn't know that. Did they mention any specifics that were pretty spot on, in order to rule out any possibility that they were shocked by the confirmation of their own "news" later on?

Stalwart
12-03-2014, 12:14 PM
I didn't know that. Did they mention any specifics that were pretty spot on, in order to rule out any possibility that they were shocked by the confirmation of their own "news" later on?

I think (it has been a while) that the Enquirer reported on it a couple times, he denied it then later it got to be apparent that they were correct. They were nominated for a Pulitzer Prize for their coverage of it.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day ...

Absinthe Anecdote
12-03-2014, 12:15 PM
I didn't know that. Did they mention any specifics that were pretty spot on, in order to rule out any possibility that they were shocked by the confirmation of their own "news" later on?

There is a pretty good wiki article on their coverage of that story. From what I remember the reporter got ahold of a thread and kept pulling at it until he had enough that other outlets got interested in it.

I'll try to find it later...

Stalwart
12-03-2014, 12:38 PM
There is a pretty good wiki article on their coverage of that story. From what I remember the reporter got ahold of a thread and kept pulling at it until he had enough that other outlets got interested in it.

I'll try to find it later...

That is kind of how I remember it, everyone kind of laughed it off: "Oh it is the Enquirer, yeah right" but ... they had that one. I think Edwards lost his composer in a argument with the reporter in a hotel and security got called or something then it started to get traction.

TJMAC77SP
12-03-2014, 03:03 PM
Because it sounds like a ridiculously weak attempt to discredit the allegations.

I don't know if that is why you keep bringing it up, but I think it might be, so that is why I'm asking about it.

If I was your Flight Chief, I'd make you respond on foot to the other side of the base right now.

What the fuck?

Stop being so hard headed!

But I have said the exact opposite so how am I trying to 'discredit the allegations'? I do discredit some of them but there is enough credibility is many of them to pay attention to. Why do you keep trying to allege I am saying one thing when I am not. You aren't confusing me with anyone else are you?

You aren't just asking about it. You seem to have a visceral reaction to what is simply my opinion. Why are you so opposed to the opinion that there is a group of people in our country who are delighting over this situation and it has nothing to do with the disgust at Cosby's alleged behavior.

How does that discredit any factual allegations?

I stopped having flight chiefs a long time ago but you wouldn't have been my flight chief.

TJMAC77SP
12-03-2014, 03:05 PM
Fair enough, but remember that the 'news' outlet that first broke that John Edwards was messing around with that gal while he was running for President was the National Enquirer.

It makes me rethink all those stories about Elvis now.

Add to that the fact that MIB uses it as an intelligence source and all doubt vanishes.

Absinthe Anecdote
12-03-2014, 03:38 PM
Because it sounds like a ridiculously weak attempt to discredit the allegations.

I don't know if that is why you keep bringing it up, but I think it might be, so that is why I'm asking about it.

If I was your Flight Chief, I'd make you respond on foot to the other side of the base right now.

What the fuck?

Stop being so hard headed!






You aren't just asking about it. You seem to have a visceral reaction to what is simply my opinion. Why are you so opposed to the opinion that there is a group of people in our country who are delighting over this situation and it has nothing to do with the disgust at Cosby's alleged behavior.

I certainly am asking about it.




How does that discredit any factual allegations? It doesn't, but you keep slipping it into the conversation in a dismissive manner, as if it does.

If anything, that is what is frustrating.

You have a penchant for wording your responses like they refute or disagree, when often times you are in agreement. I find that annoying, but I don't think it is intentional.

Go look at your recent response in the Chuck Hagel thread. You basically agreed with me, but worded it as if you were correcting me.

And before any Mod chastises us for going back and forth; I view this current exchange as TJ and I as trying to understand each other better.

I obviously enjoy our fencing matches, most of the time, so don't get bent out of shape over this.


I stopped having flight chiefs a long time ago but you wouldn't have been my flight chief.

You should be thanking your lucky stars for that, because if I was your flight chief, you'd get your vehicle simulated disabled on the next few exercises.

You'd be responding on foot, all over the base.

Mjölnir
12-03-2014, 03:49 PM
And before any Mod chastises us for going back and forth; I view this current exchange as TJ and I as trying to understand each other better.

Gotcha.

The back and forth is the personal, disruptive and multiple thread games that have been going on lately; it has calmed down ... which is good.

TJMAC77SP
12-03-2014, 03:58 PM
I certainly am asking about it.

Reread the post. You assert that I have hidden meanings in my posts but I can't make the same assertion about you?

Bold text inserted…….

…………………….You aren't just asking about it. …………………..


It doesn't, but you keep slipping it into theconversation in a dismissive manner, as if it does.

If anything, that is what is frustrating.

I am not slipping in anything. I am stating it quite plainly and without guile. I can’thelp with your frustration.



You have a penchant for wording your responseslike they refute or disagree, when often times you are in agreement. I findthat annoying, but I don't think it is intentional.

Go look at your recent response in the Chuck Hagel thread. You basically agreedwith me, but worded it as if you were correcting me.

Well I did disagree with a certain aspect of the post. Your post on Hagel seemed to paint a picture of him being non-responsive in meetings during the entire tenure of his being SECDEF. I don’t believe that and it is not in line with the reporting I have seen.




You should be thanking your lucky stars forthat, because if I was your flight chief, you'd get your vehicle simulateddisabled on the next few exercises.

You'd be responding on foot, all over the base.

You missed my point..........you would never have been my flight chief.

TJMAC77SP
12-03-2014, 04:00 PM
Gotcha.

The back and forth is the personal, disruptive and multiple thread games that have been going on lately; it has calmed down ... which is good.

I would guess a personal message two was sent.

Absinthe Anecdote
12-03-2014, 04:07 PM
Reread the post. You assert that I have hidden meanings in my posts but I can't make the same assertion about you?

Bold text inserted…….




I am not slipping in anything. I am stating it quite plainly and without guile. I can’thelp with your frustration.




Well I did disagree with a certain aspect of the post. Your post on Hagel seemed to paint a picture of him being non-responsive in meetings during the entire tenure of his being SECDEF. I don’t believe that and it is not in line with the reporting I have seen.





You missed my point..........you would never have been my flight chief.

For Pete's sake, stop! Just stop!

And IF you would have been a crew member on PYB's gunship, I'm sure he would have had you checking the PH levels of the toilet with tiny strips of fake litmus paper.

Mjölnir
12-03-2014, 04:09 PM
I would guess a personal message two was sent.

You would be correct.


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TJMAC77SP
12-03-2014, 04:09 PM
For Pete's sake, stop! Just stop!

And IF you would have been a crew member on PYB's gunship, I'm sure he would have had you checking the PH levels of the toilet with tiny strips of fake litmus paper.

I wouldn't have been a crew member on PYB's gunship..............................

Absinthe Anecdote
12-03-2014, 04:49 PM
It is with much delight and joyful glee that I bring you the latest civil suit to be filed against Cosby.

Taking minors to the Playboy Mansion, Tsk Tsk.




LOS ANGELES — A lawsuit by a woman who claims Bill Cosby molested her when she was 15 years old has moved allegations of sexual misconduct against the comedian from the court of public opinion into the courthouse.

Judy Huth’s lawsuit filed Tuesday in Los Angeles accuses Cosby of forcing her to perform a sex act on him in a bedroom of the Playboy Mansion around 1974. She is the latest woman to accuse the comedian of sex abuse, and is the first one since 2005 to file a lawsuit....

...Huth's sexual battery and infliction of emotional distress lawsuit states that she and a 16-year-old friend first met Cosby at a Los Angeles-area film shoot and the comedian gave the girls drinks a week later at a tennis club.

The lawsuit states that Cosby took them to the Playboy Mansion after several drinks, and told the teenagers to lie and say they were 19 years old if asked. Her lawsuit states Cosby forced her to perform a sex act on him with her hand.

‘‘This traumatic incident, at such a tender age, has caused psychological damage and mental anguish for (Huth) that has caused significant problems throughout her life,’’ the lawsuit states.

Huth’s lawsuit filed in Los Angeles Superior Court is the first time a woman has gone public claiming Cosby abused her when she was underage. A second woman told Pittsburgh television station KDKA last month that Cosby drugged her to the point of unconsciousness in the 1980s when she was 15.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2014/12/02/woman-says-bill-cosby-abused-her-when-she-was-files-lawsuit/GQHtUazwfz8TfDCKJEdEJK/story.html



The guy was just an actor, and Dr. Huxtable was just a part he played.

TJMAC77SP
12-03-2014, 04:54 PM
It is with much delight and joyful glee that I bring you the latest civil suit to be filed against Cosby.

Taking minors to the Playboy Mansion, Tsk Tsk.



The guy was just an actor, and Dr. Huxtable was just a part he played.

I assume you are speaking to me.............

Why would such a story bring you such 'delight and joyful glee'? Disturbing.

Rainmaker
12-03-2014, 05:38 PM
It is with much delight and joyful glee that I bring you the latest civil suit to be filed against Cosby.

Taking minors to the Playboy Mansion, Tsk Tsk.


The guy was just an actor, and Dr. Huxtable was just a part he played.

Yep, Ok. now Rainmaker's convinced. as he's been telling y'all Hollywood is ran by a Luciferian cult.

were there's smoke there's fire.

"Huth’s lawsuit, however, contends that she became aware of the serious effect the abuse had on her within the past three years."

Bettin Judy was quite the catch in those 27 years before becoming "aware" of the damage those Satanists at the playboy mansion have inflicted on this poor girl. The sick Bastards prolly even erased her memory with some black magic spell afterward.

Rainmaker was a doubter until he saw this last one you posted. But, he still thinks the media suppressed this story and questions the timing of the release.

Rainmaker
12-03-2014, 05:50 PM
I assume you are speaking to me.............

Why would such a story bring you such 'delight and joyful glee'? Disturbing.

There's a certain sort of fellow that takes pleasure in the destruction of our nation's ideals. It's the same reason they Hate Tebow or Taylor Swift or Santa Clause or Jesus or anybody that considers it a "responsibility" to be conscious of their influence on society's youth. Usually it' s the result of experiencing an emotionally traumatic event ,like being dumped by a co#$ck tease evangelical Christian girlfriend.

Measure Man
12-03-2014, 05:55 PM
"Huth’s lawsuit, however, contends that she became aware of the serious effect the abuse had on her within the past three years."

This is a legal requirement to get it in under/around the statute of limitations. Without her contending this, there can be no lawsuit.

Normally, she would have had to bring the lawsuit within 8 years of her turning 18. However, in California, if the abuse or negative effects of the abuse are discovered at a later date, the victim can bring the suit within 3 years of that discovery.

I'm sure this is going to be a significant question taken up by Cosby's lawyers prior to any trial, or settlement. They will, no doubt, attempt to have the case dismissed on the SOL. She is going to have to show damages and when she became aware of them being a result of Cosby allegedly assaulting her.

Rainmaker
12-03-2014, 06:00 PM
This is a legal requirement to get it in under/around the statute of limitations. Without her contending this, there can be no lawsuit.

Normally, she would have had to bring the lawsuit within 8 years of her turning 18. However, in California, if the abuse or negative effects of the abuse are discovered at a later date, the victim can bring the suit within 3 years of that discovery.

I'm sure this is going to be a significant question taken up by Cosby's lawyers prior to any trial, or settlement. They will, no doubt, attempt to have the case dismissed on the SOL. She is going to have to show damages and when she became aware of them being a result of Cosby allegedly assaulting her.

Rainmaker sure you had a good point. But, Unfortunately he had to stop reading after Commiefornia.

Rusty Jones
12-03-2014, 06:03 PM
There's a certain sort of fellow that takes pleasure in the destruction of our nation's ideals. It's the same reason they Hate Tebow or Taylor Swift or Santa Clause or Jesus or anybody that considers it a "responsibility" to be conscious of their influence on society's youth. Usually it' s the result of experiencing an emotionally traumatic event ,like being dumped by a co#$ck tease evangelical Christian girlfriend.



I was thinking about this as well. Ten years ago, in the aftermath of the Pound Cake Speech and everything, Michael Dyson called out Bill Cosby and listed the reasons why he shouldn't be considered a role model.

I'm not a Bill Cosby fanboy by any means; he's human just like anyone else, and if he did what they say he did, then he is what he is because of it. At the same time, the people who want to see him go down for this... I have serious doubts that it actually has antyhing to do with the alleged rapes.

If he raped those women, he deserves whatever he gets - but I just can't join the crowd chanting "crucify him," because I know fully well that they'd be chanting it for different reasons than I would be.

Rainmaker
12-03-2014, 06:10 PM
Every man has a "cross" to bear. Rainmaker's (and apparently Mr. Cosby's) Kryptonite is Big Booty.

Rainmaker
12-03-2014, 06:16 PM
Why you disliked that post Weatherman? We was juss getting to be Hommies. It's a personal rule. Rainmaker can't pay attention to anything that happens on the Left Coast. That's all.

Measure Man
12-03-2014, 06:26 PM
Why you disliked that post Weatherman? We was juss getting to be Hommies. It's a personal rule. Rainmaker can't pay attention to anything that happens on the Left Coast. That's all.

I just didn't like it. Don't have much more to say about it.

It's not personal, not need to get all weepy...not everyone is going to like everything you say.

"Dislike the post, love the poster."~ Gnome Saying

Rainmaker
12-03-2014, 06:32 PM
I just didn't like it. Don't have much more to say about it.

It's not personal, not need to get all weepy...not everyone is going to like everything you say[/B].

"Dislike the post, love the poster."~ Gnome Saying

Haters gonna Hate...

Measure Man
12-03-2014, 07:16 PM
Haters gonna Hate...

"I'mma make it do what it do baby" ~ Jamie Foxx

garhkal
12-03-2014, 07:34 PM
It is with much delight and joyful glee that I bring you the latest civil suit to be filed against Cosby..

What makes me wonder, is why the heck she waited 40 years from when this 'supposedly' happened, to come fourth and bring it to court?
That she only 'came aware' of this 3 or so years ago, is imo straining any credibility.

Absinthe Anecdote
12-03-2014, 07:47 PM
I assume you are speaking to me.............

Why would such a story bring you such 'delight and joyful glee'? Disturbing.

It doesn't , but I figured that I'd give you what you want.

Since you kept insisting there are legions of people celebrating his demise.

Other than the stand-up comics that have taken him on, where are these legions of back slapping and high fiving people?

Other than me, you can't name one can you?

As far as the comics go, I think they have a legitimate beef with Cosby.

Who the hell is Cosby to tell them they shouldn't use foul language in their comedy routines?

If Cosby wants do his own brand of humor, fine, but it was Cosby that fired the first shots in the comedy feud years ago.

Now it is coming out that he was probably drugging raping young women. I don't blame any comic who fires back with insults and jokes at Cosby's expense.

What you are doing, is manufacturing a narrative that Cosby was taken down because he was wholesome.

You aren't in Conspiracy Town yet, but you are only one train stop away.

When you arrive, give Rainmaker a call, I'm sure he'll greet you warmly.

TJMAC77SP
12-03-2014, 08:19 PM
It doesn't , but I figured that I'd give you what you want.

Since you kept insisting there are legions of people celebrating his demise.

Other than the stand-up comics that have taken him on, where are these legions of back slapping and high fiving people?

Other than me, you can't name one can you?

As far as the comics go, I think they have a legitimate beef with Cosby.

Who the hell is Cosby to tell them they shouldn't use foul language in their comedy routines?

If Cosby wants do his own brand of humor, fine, but it was Cosby that fired the first shots in the comedy feud years ago.

Now it is coming out that he was probably drugging raping young women. I don't blame any comic who fires back with insults and jokes at Cosby's expense.

What you are doing, is manufacturing a narrative that Cosby was taken down because he was wholesome.

You aren't in Conspiracy Town yet, but you are only one train stop away.

When you arrive, give Rainmaker a call, I'm sure he'll greet you warmly.

Why did you say it brought you such delight? What is it you think I want related to that comment?

Actually the only one on the train is you. So the comics are calling out Cosby because he objects to their brand of humor? Really, that would justify this? Is the intimation that they have an unrelated motivation for calling him out as a rapist? It would seem that fact alone would be adequate motivation. BTW: The only reference I have ever heard about Cosby's comments about comedians language is during a Eddie Murphy performance in which he related a private conversation he had with Cosby. I personally thought it was funny and thought Murphy did as well.

For Christ's sake even RJ sees that there are people who are happy to hear this news about Cosby. From your posts it would seem you are one of them.

Stand-up comics are the only ones 'that have taken him on'?!??! What drugged induced stupor produced that nugget? Although you are the one who mentioned legions........have you read a frapping news story about this?

Absinthe Anecdote
12-03-2014, 08:45 PM
Why did you say it brought you such delight? What is it you think I want related to that comment?

Actually the only one on the train is you. So the comics are calling out Cosby because he objects to their brand of humor? Really, that would justify this? Is the intimation that they have an unrelated motivation for calling him out as a rapist? It would seem that fact alone would be adequate motivation. BTW: The only reference I have ever heard about Cosby's comments about comedians language is during a Eddie Murphy performance in which he related a private conversation he had with Cosby. I personally thought it was funny and thought Murphy did as well.

For Christ's sake even RJ sees that there are people who are happy to hear this news about Cosby. From your posts it would seem you are one of them.

Stand-up comics are the only ones 'that have taken him on'?!??! What drugged induced stupor produced that nugget? Although you are the one who mentioned legions........have you read a frapping news story about this?

Comics are the only ones I hear laughing and being irreverent about it, to the point one could label it as celebration.

Want to calm down and read my post again?

You are all over the place with this last post and it is hard to follow you.

Again, Cosby picked a fight with comedians and TV producers over foul language back in the 1990s. He's been on that same rant for years.

Not to mention The Pound Cake speech and others like it.

The Hannible Buress bit referenced Cosby's high and mighty, "pull up your pants" routine. Hannible's punch line of "well, at least I'm not a rapist" ignited this recent flurry of accusations.

Cosby and other black comedians have been exchanging jabs on the language issue for two decades.

Who outside the comedy world, is laughing at Cosby predicament?

Measure Man
12-03-2014, 08:47 PM
What makes me wonder, is why the heck she waited 40 years from when this 'supposedly' happened, to come fourth and bring it to court?
That she only 'came aware' of this 3 or so years ago, is imo straining any credibility.

Agree...

Surely her argument is not that she only became aware of the assault 3 years ago...because she remembers the incident. That provision of the law is for people who were maybe abused as an infant and only learn about it later in life.

So...her argument has to be that she was aware of the assault, but she thought she effectively dealt with it...and only recently learned that problems she had in her life, with her self-confidence, with her fear of intimacy, or whatever were caused by that assault...and that she didn't become aware of the connection until within the last 3 years.

It's going to be a tough argument to make...I think she'll have to show that she entered into some kind of counseling or mental health care in the last 3 years and maybe have her Dr. or analyst testify to this. Without that, I'd think this has a high chance of being dismissed...but, she might just be after forcing him to make some kind of answer, through his lawyers or otherwise.

Is Cosby going to argue that the assault never happened? Or that it was beyond the SOL? Obviously, the second argument might be the easiest for the lawyers to make and get him out of legal trouble, but could be the nail in the PR coffin.

Absinthe Anecdote
12-03-2014, 08:59 PM
Why did you say it brought you such delight? What is it you think I want related to that comment?

Because of Post# 60 when you said





I do believe there are people who are completely overjoyed at Cosby's predicament and it has nothing to do with not liking his TV show(s).



But even earlier in the thread you were claiming people were happy and celebrating Cosby's fall from grace.

Are you really going to play dumb and pretend not to know what I was taking aim at?

Absinthe Anecdote
12-03-2014, 09:23 PM
Last night at his late night show at the Trocadero, comedian Hannibal Buress did an extended bit about Philadelphia native Bill Cosby, calling him a rapist. Cosby has been accused of drugging and sexually assaulting multiple women, including Barbara Bowman in Philadelphia magazine. He has not, however, ever been criminally charged with rape (the legal definition of which varies by jurisdiction).* The above recording starts about 15-20 seconds into it.

“It’s even worse because Bill Cosby has the fuckin’ smuggest old black man persona that I hate,” Buress said. “He gets on TV, ‘Pull your pants up black people, I was on TV in the 80s! I can talk down to you because I had a successful sitcom!’ Yeah, but you rape women, Bill Cosby, so turn the crazy down a couple notches.”

"I guess I want to just at least make it weird for you to watch Cosby Show reruns," Buress says later. "I've done this bit on stage and people think I'm making it up.... when you leave here, google 'Bill Cosby rape.' That shit has more results than 'Hannibal Buress.'"
Buress — who has done stand-up for years and is a regular on Comedy Central's Broad City — praised Bill Cosby: Himself in GQ, and noted how hard it is not to curse on stage. He specifically praised Cosby's bit on drugs, which is one of the funniest parts of that special


Read more at http://www.phillymag.com/ticket/2014/10/17/hannibal-buress-bill-cosby-rapist/#8uigAzrjy8TuFL9C.99

Ha ha ha ha! Oh, this is so funny!

TJMAC77SP
12-03-2014, 09:32 PM
Ha ha ha ha! Oh, this is so funny!

Are you a comedian?

Absinthe Anecdote
12-03-2014, 09:39 PM
Are you a comedian?

Compared to a tremendously uptight Hanna Barbarian, yes, I am.

TJMAC77SP
12-03-2014, 09:45 PM
Comics are the only ones I hear laughing and being irreverent about it, to the point one could label it as celebration.

Want to calm down and read my post again?

You are all over the place with this last post and it is hard to follow you.

Again, Cosby picked a fight with comedians and TV producers over foul language back in the 1990s. He's been on that same rant for years.

Not to mention The Pound Cake speech and others like it.

The Hannible Buress bit referenced Cosby's high and mighty, "pull up your pants" routine. Hannible's punch line of "well, at least I'm not a rapist" ignited this recent flurry of accusations.

Cosby and other black comedians have been exchanging jabs on the language issue for two decades.

Who outside the comedy world, is laughing at Cosby predicament?

I actually did miss your reference..........probably because of the hyperbole you utilized. If you had just said 'this makes my overjoyed' instead of 'delight and joyful glee' maybe, but only maybe I would have caught it. Actually I would have missed it.

I understand the reaction to 'pull up your pants', particularly by those who need to pull up their pants but am completely unsure why the necessary retort to that is 'at least I am not a rapist'.. He is almost 80 years old so his opinion is fairly predictable. In fact I know a lot of people, including myself who think people should pull their pants up. To boil this issue down to that minor and almost irrelevant point is a fairly large stretch.

The pound cake speech was not comedy and it was not well received by many in the black community. Groups rarely take criticism well. When it is one of their own it just grates on them and vilification usually follows.

I find your reaction a big stretch of credibility. Is your position that NO ONE is happy to see Cosby in this predicament based on issues unrelated to the alleged rapes. Is that your honest belief.

What would you say to an anti-Obama person who expresses 'delight and joyful glee' at the ruckus being raised for the Obama administration by the remarks of Jonathan Gruber but claim that they are only happy that these remarks have surfaced and it has nothing to do with damage done to the administration's reputation? Would you by buying that?

Mjölnir
12-03-2014, 09:47 PM
Compared to a tremendously uptight Hanna Barbarian, yes, I am.

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TJMAC77SP
12-03-2014, 09:49 PM
Compared to a tremendously uptight Hanna Barbarian, yes, I am.

Nice try. Back to my claimed lack of a sense of humor huh? Nothing else?

Rainmaker
12-03-2014, 10:29 PM
When you arrive, give Rainmaker a call, I'm sure he'll greet you warmly.


"conspiracy theorist" is just a term used to stop people from asking questions and pointing out the obvious. It's basically the Modern day equivalent of the disinformation agents of the church accusing someone of witchcraft in Early Modern Europe, except they don't burn you at the stake anymore. they just call you a Racist. Most Americans are brainwashed, lazy, Optimists and therefore in Denial as to what's taking place.

Absinthe Anecdote
12-03-2014, 11:07 PM
"conspiracy theorist" is just a term used to stop people from asking questions and pointing out the obvious. It's basically the Modern day equivalent of the disinformation agents of the church accusing someone of witchcraft in Early Modern Europe, except they don't burn you at the stake anymore. they just call you a Racist. Most Americans are brainwashed, lazy, Optimists and therefore in Denial as to what's taking place.

Who controls these modern day disinformation agents?

TJMAC77SP
12-03-2014, 11:14 PM
Who controls these modern day disinformation agents?

Stand up comedians?

Max Power
12-04-2014, 12:40 AM
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Rainmaker
12-04-2014, 02:58 AM
Who controls these modern day disinformation agents?

There is more than one answer to this question. PM Rainmaker and He'll give you the address of a PO Box where you request an information packet

garhkal
12-04-2014, 06:18 AM
It's going to be a tough argument to make...I think she'll have to show that she entered into some kind of counseling or mental health care in the last 3 years and maybe have her Dr. or analyst testify to this. Without that, I'd think this has a high chance of being dismissed...but, she might just be after forcing him to make some kind of answer, through his lawyers or otherwise..

That's one thing i have always felt. If anyone is suing to get money for "emotional distress" they should have proof, via receipts from the quack they are visiting, a copy of the prescriptions they are on etc.

Stalwart
12-04-2014, 08:30 PM
Looks like the Navy also revoked his title as an honorary Chief Petty Officer ...

Navy Times: http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/2014/12/04/bill-cosby-sexual-assault-navy-chief-honor-revoked/19897577/

sandsjames
12-04-2014, 08:33 PM
Looks like the Navy also revoked his title as an honorary Chief Petty Officer ...

Navy Times: http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/2014/12/04/bill-cosby-sexual-assault-navy-chief-honor-revoked/19897577/

I'm sure he'll lose sleep over that one...:)

Absinthe Anecdote
12-04-2014, 08:44 PM
The guy was just an actor, who happened to serve in the Navy.

Why make him an honorary CPO in the first place?

Didn't read the article about what he was doing for the Navy back in 2011 when the Navy gave him this honor, but if it was just based upon his prior service and the fact that he became famous, well that's pretty shallow.

Plus, that was given to him six years after he had these allegations swirling around him.

Absinthe Anecdote
12-04-2014, 08:54 PM
There is more than one answer to this question. PM Rainmaker and He'll give you the address of a PO Box where you request an information packet

So you don't really know. That's what I thought.

On the off chance the PO box is real, post it. You can PM it to me, but I'll just turn around and post it for all to see.

Come on, hook us up with the info packets. Especially if you are going to continue to preach to us about these shadowy forces that are controlling our lives.

sandsjames
12-04-2014, 09:02 PM
The guy was just an actor, who happened to serve in the Navy.

Why make him an honorary CPO in the first place?

Didn't read the article about what he was doing for the Navy back in 2011 when the Navy gave him this honor, but if it was just based upon his prior service and the fact that he became famous, well that's pretty shallow.

Plus, that was given to him six years after he had these allegations swirling around him.

Was really surprises me is that, with a Navy background, how was he not accused of sexual assault years ago? Back in the day, wasn't that a prerequisite?

Stalwart
12-04-2014, 09:44 PM
The guy was just an actor, who happened to serve in the Navy.

Why make him an honorary CPO in the first place?

He did some work for/on behalf of the Navy as a celebrity.

Why make him an honorary CPO? Publicity of course.

Stalwart
12-04-2014, 09:45 PM
Was really surprises me is that, with a Navy background, how was he not accused of sexual assault years ago? Back in the day, wasn't that a prerequisite?

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Rusty Jones
12-05-2014, 10:19 AM
Was really surprises me is that, with a Navy background, how was he not accused of sexual assault years ago? Back in the day, wasn't that a prerequisite?

Because he was a Hospital Corpsman, so it's highly likely that he's gay and that his marriage is a cover-up.

Absinthe Anecdote
12-05-2014, 11:23 AM
Because he was a Hospital Corpsman, so it's highly likely that he's gay and that his marriage is a cover-up.

That's over my head.

Is that a Rock Hudson reference, or something else?

Rusty Jones
12-05-2014, 11:32 AM
That's over my head.

Is that a Rock Hudson reference, or something else?

No. It's a common stereotype of male Hospital Corpsmen... but... it's really difficult to call it a "stereotype." Go to any Naval Hospital, and you'll see what I'm talking about. I've known more than a few straight male Hospital Corpsmen on the ships I've been assigned to who've actually complained about having too many gay coworkers at previous commands.

Absinthe Anecdote
12-05-2014, 11:51 AM
No. It's a common stereotype of male Hospital Corpsmen... but... it's really difficult to call it a "stereotype." Go to any Naval Hospital, and you'll see what I'm talking about. I've known more than a few straight male Hospital Corpsmen on the ships I've been assigned to who've actually complained about having too many gay coworkers at previous commands.

Ok, I never noticed that. I'm not too sure which Air Force career field has a reputation for being gay.

BTW, I wonder if Cosby learned about drugging women with roofies during his stint as a corpsman?

Rusty Jones
12-05-2014, 12:02 PM
I actually expected it to be similar in the Air Force, since - at least in my observations - a disproportionate amount of male homosexuals work in the medical field in the private sector.

Much to my surprise though, when I was doing my in-processing into my AF Reserve unit, I didn't see anyone at the base hospital that appeared to be suspect at all.

Rusty Jones
12-05-2014, 12:10 PM
BTW, I wonder if Cosby learned about drugging women with roofies during his stint as a corpsman?

Nah, he would've learned that just by being a Sailor. Period. :)

Absinthe Anecdote
12-05-2014, 12:12 PM
I actually expected it to be similar in the Air Force, since - at least in my observations - a disproportionate amount of male homosexuals work in the medical field in the private sector.

Much to my surprise though, when I was doing my in-processing into my AF Reserve unit, I didn't see anyone at the base hospital that appeared to be suspect at all.

You never know, they could be setting you up to be duped. Just be careful, if they insist on taking a rectal temperature every time you go to the clinic, something might not be right.

Also, if they give you a cappuccino and the room begins to swirl, then you wake up several hours later in a cheap hotel wearing someone else's clothes, it's time to get suspicious.

Rusty Jones
12-05-2014, 12:19 PM
You never know, they could be setting you up to be duped. Just be careful, if they insist on taking a rectal temperature every time you go to the clinic, something might not be right.

Also, if they give you a cappuccino and the room begins to swirl, then you wake up several hours later in a cheap hotel wearing someone else's clothes, it's time to get suspicious.

Good thing I don't drink cappuccino, or any of that other pretentious crap that became "cool" in the Starbucks Era. I'm not much of a coffee drinker in the first place, but when I do drink coffee... it's just regular plain coffee.

Any man that does drink cappuccino probably wanted it in the first place.

Absinthe Anecdote
12-05-2014, 12:34 PM
Beth Ferrier was an aspiring model and actress in the mid-1980s who had had a months-long affair with Cosby. A few weeks after she ended the relationship, Ferrier said, Cosby called her at her home in Denver and asked her to meet him after his stand-up show at a local club.

Cosby greeted her backstage and gave her a cappuccino, she said. She quickly felt dizzy and nauseous and then blacked out, Ferrier said. She alleged that she woke up several hours later, alone in her car, with her clothing and undergarments disheveled.

“I believe Mr. Cosby drugged me and sexually assaulted me that night,” Ferrier told the news conference.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/three-more-bill-cosby-accusers-come-forward-this-time-with-the-assistance-of-lawyer-gloria-allred/2014/12/03/097d1186-7b2b-11e4-b821-503cc7efed9e_story.html?wprss=rss_homepage


If all this stuff is true, and I think some of it is, it sounds like he has a fetish for having sex with unconscious women.

The woman above admits to having an affair with him, but he still drugged her.

I was in the supermarket last night and saw a National Enquirer claiming that more of his former staffers are beginning to talk.

There has to be people that were helping him put these women into their cars and taxis after he was done with them.

He can pay for their silence, and rely upon their involvement in these sex capers only for so long. Sooner or later, one of his helpers will write a tell-all book.

Rusty Jones
12-05-2014, 12:51 PM
Her choice of words indicate some doubt.

sandsjames
12-05-2014, 12:54 PM
If all this stuff is true, and I think some of it is, it sounds like he has a fetish for having sex with unconscious women.



I kind of have this issue. The difference is that my wife is awake when it starts, then dozes off during. I don't think that's illegal...

Rusty Jones
12-05-2014, 01:07 PM
I kind of have this issue. The difference is that my wife is awake when it starts, then dozes off during. I don't think that's illegal...


I've always wanted to do something similar. Like, bang some chick while's she just laying there smoking a cigarette like I'm not doing shit. Meanwhile, I'm just pounding away and sweating like hell, and between puffs she says in a giggling voice, "What? You tryin' to make me cum or something?" And then she just laughs even harder.

Absinthe Anecdote
12-05-2014, 01:34 PM
“I believe Mr. Cosby drugged me and sexually assaulted me that night,” Ferrier told the news conference.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifest...s=rss_homepage


Her choice of words indicate some doubt.

Well, duh! She isn't even sure what happened. I think that is what Cosby is relying on.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2KYbIDCIAAZeos.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/11/13/1415883375106_wps_96_Bill_Cosby_invited_the_in.jpg

Rainmaker
12-05-2014, 02:24 PM
So you don't really know. That's what I thought.

On the off chance the PO box is real, post it. You can PM it to me, but I'll just turn around and post it for all to see.

Come on, hook us up with the info packets. Especially if you are going to continue to preach to us about these shadowy forces that are controlling our lives.

Jesus man. Here, Rainmaker thought you were on a quest for knowledge? doesn't work like that. It wouldn't be hidden from view if Rainmaker just posted the instructions on a message board now would it? It takes some work on the individual's part. You have to earn the right to be selected for initiation. till then enjoy watching the shadows on the wall of your cave

Absinthe Anecdote
12-05-2014, 02:29 PM
http://cdn.meme.am/instances/56130021.jpg

http://www.thesuperficial.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/11/bill-cosby-meme-fail-1111-08-580x435.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-muzhNhpQJiU/VGIyhACfbYI/AAAAAAABvU8/xnJzFeCW7tE/s1600/photo%2B4-12.PNG

http://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/bill-cosby-12.jpg?w=780

garhkal
12-05-2014, 08:34 PM
I actually expected it to be similar in the Air Force, since - at least in my observations - a disproportionate amount of male homosexuals work in the medical field in the private sector.

Much to my surprise though, when I was doing my in-processing into my AF Reserve unit, I didn't see anyone at the base hospital that appeared to be suspect at all.

During my 20 in the navy, the few gays i saw were all over the place, though i did see more in Admin than elsewhere.

TJMAC77SP
12-05-2014, 11:27 PM
He did some work for/on behalf of the Navy as a celebrity.

Why make him an honorary CPO? Publicity of course.

R. Lee Ermy.........Gunny..........nope...........honorar y

Absinthe Anecdote
12-06-2014, 12:39 PM
R. Lee Ermy.........Gunny..........nope...........honorar y

I always thought he was a retired Gunny, but he retired as a Staff Sergeant.

Not that I got that from your post, but it did make me go look at his biography.

If you were trying to do an impression of a Marine with that sentence, good job!

Stalwart
12-06-2014, 12:49 PM
If you were trying to do an immpression of a Marine with that sentence, good job!

ha ha ...

By the way, you spelled impression incorrectly.

Semper Fidelis

Absinthe Anecdote
12-06-2014, 01:50 PM
ha ha ...

By the way, you spelled impression incorrectly.

Semper Fidelis

Ouch!

Do you think anyone would believe that I was doing an impersonation of a Marine spelling impression?

Didn't think so. :(

Aim High

TJMAC77SP
12-06-2014, 11:54 PM
I always thought he was a retired Gunny, but he retired as a Staff Sergeant.

Not that I got that from your post, but it did make me go look at his biography.

If you were trying to do an impression of a Marine with that sentence, good job!

Let's see.

R. Lee Ermy (subject identified, I assume you got that part).

Gunny (the title always associated with him. I assume you got that part)

Nope (a declaration. You didn't get that part?)

Honorary (description of how he got the 'title' of Gunny (you didn't get that part either?)

Show of hands.........who else didn't understand me?

Absinthe Anecdote
12-08-2014, 09:05 PM
Let's see.

R. Lee Ermy (subject identified, I assume you got that part).

Gunny (the title always associated with him. I assume you got that part)

Nope (a declaration. You didn't get that part?)

Honorary (description of how he got the 'title' of Gunny (you didn't get that part either?)

Show of hands.........who else didn't understand me?

That was still a crappy sentence, and I now think you were one of those "Hooah" SPs. We're you one of those? Couldn't type a Desk Blotter to save your life.

All Hooha and Gung Ho around the Squadron but puking your guts out and whining on ABGD deployments, was that you?

Absinthe Anecdote
12-08-2014, 09:11 PM
Hugh Hefner responded to the recent sexual assault allegations against Bill Cosby, including one that allegedly occurred at the Playboy Mansion in 1974.

"Bill Cosby has been a good friend for many years and the mere thought of these allegations is truly saddening," the Playboy mogul wrote in a statement to the Hollywood Reporter. "I would never tolerate this kind of behavior, regardless of who was involved."

Hefner's comments came in response to a lawsuit filed on Tuesday alleging that Cosby molested a woman named Judy Huth at the Playboy Mansion when she was 15-years-old. The LAPD has opened an investigation in light of Huth's allegations.

Cosby's lawyer, Martin Singer, has called Huth's claims "absolutely false," "unreliable" and "untimely." Cosby's team also filed court documents claiming extortion from Huth, according to documents obtained by ABC News. According to the documents, Huth's lawyer demanded $100,000 for her silence, and later increased the amount to $250,000 as additional women came forward with similar accusations.

P.J. Masten, a former Playboy bunny, has also recently come forward with sexual assault accusations against Cosby. Speaking with CNN on Friday, Masten claimed that the comedian drugged and raped her in a Chicago hotel in 1972. She said that her assault wasn't an isolated incident.

"[There are] 12 former bunnies that I know of that are ashamed to come forward, frightened to come forward, married with families [and] don't want to come forward. But they were also drugged and raped by Bill Cosby," Masten said.

Cosby has been accused by more than 15 women of sexual assault allegations. He has never been charged with a crime.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/07/hugh-hefner-bill-cosby-sexual-assault-allegations_n_6284676.html


That damned Cosby, if bringing underage girls to the Playboy Mansion wasn't bad enough, he was drugging the Bunnies too?

sandsjames
12-08-2014, 09:17 PM
That damned Cosby, if bringing underage girls to the Playboy Mansion wasn't bad enough, he was drugging the Bunnies too?

Awesome. And we thought 30 years ago seemed like a long time to bring up these allegations. Now we're looking at over 40 years.

I heard he actually drugged and raped Judy Garland during the filming of "The Wizard of Oz" and that's what led to her future drug addiction.

Absinthe Anecdote
12-08-2014, 09:31 PM
Awesome. And we thought 30 years ago seemed like a long time to bring up these allegations. Now we're looking at over 40 years.

I heard he actually drugged and raped Judy Garland during the filming of "The Wizard of Oz" and that's what led to her future drug addiction.

And Toto too?

PS

That was an accidental dislike, I meant to hit like.

Measure Man
12-08-2014, 09:36 PM
I heard he actually drugged and raped Judy Garland during the filming of "The Wizard of Oz" and that's what led to her future drug addiction.

Now that's just crazy-talk. Cosby was 2 years old when Wizard of Oz was filmed.

TJMAC77SP
12-09-2014, 12:24 AM
That was still a crappy sentence, and I now think you were one of those "Hooah" SPs. We're you one of those? Couldn't type a Desk Blotter to save your life.

All Hooha and Gung Ho around the Squadron but puking your guts out and whining on ABGD deployments, was that you?

So you did understand my post. So what was your point? Oh yeah, my sentence structure.

Was that really your point?

Absinthe Anecdote
12-09-2014, 12:55 AM
So you did understand my post. So what was your point? Oh yeah, my sentence structure.

Was that really your point?

You crack me up.

Yes, I took a jab at you for typing a lunk head sentence. You'll be okay, try breathing into a paper bag until you quit hyperventilating.

TJMAC77SP
12-09-2014, 01:06 AM
You crack me up.

Yes, I took a jab at you for typing a lunk head sentence. You'll be okay, try breathing into a paper bag until you quit hyperventilating.

And you crack me up. Seriously, it's funny how you think people are reacting to your posts.

BTW, Rainmaker must drive you into absolute convulsions. I guess you'll take a jab at him some other time.

Absinthe Anecdote
12-09-2014, 11:25 AM
And you crack me up. Seriously, it's funny how you think people are reacting to your posts.

BTW, Rainmaker must drive you into absolute convulsions. I guess you'll take a jab at him some other time.

Sorry buddy, I guess I do owe you for all those times you protected me from Rusty.

You are just a great big lovable protector, like the time you dragged an unconscious Valerie Bertinelli out of a hotel room at 4am after Bill Cosby tried raping her and Eddie.

Absinthe Anecdote
12-09-2014, 12:07 PM
More of this stuff will be coming out soon, people behind the scenes would have to know something was going on with the guy.


Patton Oswalt On Bill Cosby: ‘Comedians Have Known For A Long F**king Time’

Actor/Comedian Patton Oswalt, during his recent appearance on the You Made It Weird podcast hosted by comic Pete Holmes, said of the recent sexual abuse allegations against Cosby that his alleged behavior has long been a badly kept secret in the comedy world.

http://www.inquisitr.com/1657701/actorcomedian-patton-oswalt-on-bill-cosby-comedians-have-known-for-long-fking-time/

sandsjames
12-09-2014, 12:22 PM
More of this stuff will be coming out soon, people behind the scenes would have to know something was going on with the guy.

Why do you hate black people?

Oh, and if all of these other comedians knew about this and never said anything, they are just as messed up. And I'm glad to see that Patton Oswalt is now trying to be the voice of reason. Always good to have a celebrity who wouldn't be seated anywhere but the bottom right corner of Hollywood Squares speak out.

Absinthe Anecdote
12-09-2014, 12:32 PM
I believe this woman's story...




Washington Post

Bill Cosby raped me. Why did it take 30 years for people to believe my story?


In 2004, when Andrea Constand filed a lawsuit against Bill Cosby for sexual assault, her lawyers asked me to testify. Cosby had drugged and raped me, too, I told them. The lawyers said I could testify anonymously as a Jane Doe, but I ardently rejected that idea. My name is not Jane Doe. My name is Barbara Bowman, and I wanted to tell my story in court. In the end, I didn’t have the opportunity to do that, because Cosby settled the suitfor an undisclosed amount of money.

Over the years, I’ve struggled to get people to take my story seriously. So last month, when reporter Lycia Naff contacted me for an interview for the Daily Mail, I gave her a detailed account. I told her how Cosby won my trust as a 17-year-old aspiring actress in 1985, brainwashed me into viewing him as a father figure, and then assaulted me multiple times.

In one case, I blacked out after having dinner and one glass of wine at his New York City brownstone, where he had offered to mentor me and discuss the entertainment industry. When I came to, I was in my panties and a man’s t-shirt, and Cosby was looming over me. I’m certain now that he drugged and raped me. But as a teenager, I tried to convince myself I had imagined it. I even tried to rationalize it: Bill Cosby was going to make me a star and this was part of the deal.

The final incident was in Atlantic City, where we had traveled for an industry event. I was staying in a separate bedroom of Cosby’s hotel suite, but he pinned me down in his own bed while I screamed for help. I’ll never forget the clinking of his belt buckle as he struggled to pull his pants off. I furiously tried to wrestle from his grasp until he eventually gave up, angrily called me “a baby” and sent me home to Denver.

Back then, the incident was so horrifying that I had trouble admitting it to myself, let alone to others. But I first told my agent, who did nothing. (Cosby sometimes came to her office to interview people for “The Cosby Show” and other acting jobs.) A girlfriend took me to a lawyer, but he accused me of making the story up.

Their dismissive responses crushed any hope I had of getting help; I was convinced no one would listen to me. That feeling of futility is what ultimately kept me from going to the police. I told friends what had happened, and although they sympathized with me, they were just as helpless to do anything about it.

I was a teenager from Denver acting in McDonald’s commercials. He was Bill Cosby: consummate American dad Cliff Huxtable and the Jell-O spokesman. Eventually, I had to move on with my life and my career.

I didn’t stay entirely quiet, though: I’ve been telling my story publicly for nearly 10 years. When Constand brought her lawsuit, I found renewed confidence. I was determined to not be silent any more. In 2006, I was interviewed by Robert Huber for Philadelphia Magazine, and Alycia Lane for KYW-TV news in Philadelphia. A reporter wrote about my experience in the December 2006 issue of People Magazine. And last February, Katie Baker interviewed me for Newsweek. Bloggers and columnists wrote about that story for several months after it was published. Still, my complaint didn’t seem to take hold.


In 2004, when Andrea Constand filed a lawsuit against Bill Cosby for sexual assault, her lawyers asked me to testify. Cosby had drugged and raped me, too, I told them. The lawyers said I could testify anonymously as a Jane Doe, but I ardently rejected that idea. My name is not Jane Doe. My name is Barbara Bowman, and I wanted to tell my story in court. In the end, I didn’t have the opportunity to do that, because Cosby settled the suitfor an undisclosed amount of money.

Over the years, I’ve struggled to get people to take my story seriously. So last month, when reporter Lycia Naff contacted me for an interview for the Daily Mail, I gave her a detailed account. I told her how Cosby won my trust as a 17-year-old aspiring actress in 1985, brainwashed me into viewing him as a father figure, and then assaulted me multiple times.

In one case, I blacked out after having dinner and one glass of wine at his New York City brownstone, where he had offered to mentor me and discuss the entertainment industry. When I came to, I was in my panties and a man’s t-shirt, and Cosby was looming over me. I’m certain now that he drugged and raped me. But as a teenager, I tried to convince myself I had imagined it. I even tried to rationalize it: Bill Cosby was going to make me a star and this was part of the deal.

The final incident was in Atlantic City, where we had traveled for an industry event. I was staying in a separate bedroom of Cosby’s hotel suite, but he pinned me down in his own bed while I screamed for help. I’ll never forget the clinking of his belt buckle as he struggled to pull his pants off. I furiously tried to wrestle from his grasp until he eventually gave up, angrily called me “a baby” and sent me home to Denver.

Back then, the incident was so horrifying that I had trouble admitting it to myself, let alone to others. But I first told my agent, who did nothing. (Cosby sometimes came to her office to interview people for “The Cosby Show” and other acting jobs.) A girlfriend took me to a lawyer, but he accused me of making the story up. Their dismissive responses crushed any hope I had of getting help; I was convinced no one would listen to me. That feeling of futility is what ultimately kept me from going to the police. I told friends what had happened, and although they sympathized with me, they were just as helpless to do anything about it. I was a teenager from Denver acting in McDonald’s commercials. He was Bill Cosby: consummate American dad Cliff Huxtable and the Jell-O spokesman. Eventually, I had to move on with my life and my career.

I didn’t stay entirely quiet, though: I’ve been telling my story publicly for nearly 10 years. When Constand brought her lawsuit, I found renewed confidence. I was determined to not be silent any more. In 2006, I was interviewed by Robert Huber for Philadelphia Magazine, and Alycia Lane for KYW-TV news in Philadelphia. A reporter wrote about my experience in the December 2006 issue of People Magazine. And last February, Katie Baker interviewed me for Newsweek. Bloggers and columnists wrote about that story for several months after it was published. Still, my complaint didn’t seem to take hold.


Only after a man, Hannibal Buress, called Bill Cosby a rapist in a comedy act last month did the public outcry begin in earnest. The original video of Buress’s performance went viral. This week, Twitter turned against him, too, with a meme that emblazoned rape scenarios across pictures of his face.



While I am grateful for the new attention to Cosby’s crimes, I must ask my own questions: Why wasn’t I believed? Why didn’t I get the same reaction of shock and revulsion when I originally reported it? Why was I, a victim of sexual assault, further wronged by victim blaming when I came forward? The women victimized by Bill Cosby have been talking about his crimes for more than a decade. Why didn’t our stories go viral?

Unfortunately, our experience isn’t unique. The entertainment world is rife with famous men who use their power to victimize and then silence young women who look up to them. Even when their victims speak out, the industry and the public turn blind eyes; these men’s celebrity, careers, and public adulation continue to thrive.

Even now, Cosby has a new comedy special coming out on Netflix and NBC is set to give him a new sitcom.

Fixing this problem demands more than public shaming. For Cosby to commit these assaults against multiple victims over several years, there had to be a network of willfully blind wallflowers at best, or people willing to aid him in committing these sexual crimes at worst. As I told the Daily Mail, when I was a teenager, his assistants transported me to hotels and events to meet him. When I blacked out at Cosby’s home, there were several staffers with us. My agent, who introduced me to Cosby, had me take a pregnancy test when I returned from my last trip with him. Talent agents, hotel staff, personal assistants and others who knowingly made arrangements for Cosby’s criminal acts or overlooked them should be held equally accountable.

I have never received any money from Bill Cosby and have not asked for it. I have nothing to gain by continuing to speak out. He can no longer be charged for his crimes against me because the statute of limitations is long past. That is also wrong. There should be no time limits on reporting these crimes, and one of my goals is to call for legislation to that end. Famous and wealthy perpetrators use their power to shame and silence their victims. It often takes years for young women to overcome those feeling and gain the confidence to come forward (by which point physical evidence is long gone). Our legal system shouldn’t silence them a second time.

Last week, I became a volunteer ambassador for PAVE (Promoting Awareness, Victim Empowerment), a national victim advocacy group that seeks to shatter the silence around sexual violence through targeted social, educational and legislative tactics. I will be writing and traveling the country talking to media, students and other interested groups about the importance of speaking out against sexual assault. I’ll largely focus on young models and actors who are especially vulnerable to the influences of the rich and powerful. They, like other sexual assault victims, deserve our support. It’s the perpetrators who should be facing public humiliation – not the victims.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/11/13/bill-cosby-raped-me-why-did-it-take-30-years-for-people-to-believe-my-story/

Absinthe Anecdote
12-09-2014, 12:43 PM
These allegations have been swirling around him for years.

http://time.com/3592547/bill-cosby-rape-allegations-timeline/

Absinthe Anecdote
12-09-2014, 12:55 PM
Watch Tina Fey Joke About Bill Cosby Rape Allegations on SNL in 2005

Fey took jabs at Cosby on both SNL and 30 Rock years ago

Though media outlets have taken action against Bill Cosby in the last month following public allegations of rape against him, Tina Fey was calling out Cosby long before the the comedian’s shows were cancelled or his reruns pulled.

In a 2005 Weekend Update bit on Saturday Night Live, Fey and co-anchor Amy Poehler joked about a lawsuit that alleged Cosby had tried to molest a California lawyer. Both Poehler and Fey did their best impressions of the comedian since Kenan Thompson, who starred in Cosby’s Fat Albert movie, could not — “because of the Fat Albert and the money and the sequels.” Kenan ran out after the bit and joked, “I didn’t say any of that because Kenan Thompson loves to work, OK?”

Though Kenan’s hesitation to make fun of Bill Cosby was played for laughs, the punchline speaks to the reason it took so long for people in the industry to criticize Cosby — a powerful comedian with an intimidating legacy.

READ MORE AT: http://time.com/3620097/tina-fey-bill-cosby-rape-allegations-snl/



Some people have been talking about this for a long time.

Rusty Jones
12-09-2014, 01:03 PM
Why do you hate black people?

Oh, and if all of these other comedians knew about this and never said anything, they are just as messed up. And I'm glad to see that Patton Oswalt is now trying to be the voice of reason. Always good to have a celebrity who wouldn't be seated anywhere but the bottom right corner of Hollywood Squares speak out.

Wait, you're PRAISING Oswalt on this?

I can't really say that I'm "upset" at the other comedians for keeping this a secret, as I'm sure that they have their reasons.

For example, one of my favorite wrestlers of all time: "Macho Man" Randy Savage spent his last years in the WWF riding out his contract as a commentator. He didn't wrestle again until his contract was up, and ended up going to WCW.

Why is that? Rumor has is that he took Stephanie McMahon's virginity when she was 14 years old, so Vince did what he had to do.

What's the point of me bringing this up? There have been many interviews with wrestlers who've been asked about this. And none will comment. None will confirm or deny. Hell, just three years ago, Hulk Hogan tried to act all shocked - like he had never heard this rumor before when asked about it.

To me, that means that it DID happen. No one has anything to lose by denying it, so if it didn't happen, why won't they deny it?

Either way, why are these wrestlers being secretive about it? I don't know - maybe Vince McMahon has the power to destroy anyone who says something about it - but either way, it doesn't necessarily make them bad people.

Same with the comedians who knew about what Bill Cosby did.

So far, AA is right about Jill Scott having zero impact on salvaging Bill Cosby's image. She may, in fact, have hurt herself because of it.

sandsjames
12-09-2014, 01:16 PM
Wait, you're PRAISING Oswalt on this? No, I am not. I am actually ridiculing him quite harshly.

Absinthe Anecdote
12-09-2014, 03:10 PM
Wait, you're PRAISING Oswalt on this?

I can't really say that I'm "upset" at the other comedians for keeping this a secret, as I'm sure that they have their reasons.

For example, one of my favorite wrestlers of all time: "Macho Man" Randy Savage spent his last years in the WWF riding out his contract as a commentator. He didn't wrestle again until his contract was up, and ended up going to WCW.

Why is that? Rumor has is that he took Stephanie McMahon's virginity when she was 14 years old, so Vince did what he had to do.

What's the point of me bringing this up? There have been many interviews with wrestlers who've been asked about this. And none will comment. None will confirm or deny. Hell, just three years ago, Hulk Hogan tried to act all shocked - like he had never heard this rumor before when asked about it.

To me, that means that it DID happen. No one has anything to lose by denying it, so if it didn't happen, why won't they deny it?

Either way, why are these wrestlers being secretive about it? I don't know - maybe Vince McMahon has the power to destroy anyone who says something about it - but either way, it doesn't necessarily make them bad people.

Same with the comedians who knew about what Bill Cosby did.

So far, AA is right about Jill Scott having zero impact on salvaging Bill Cosby's image. She may, in fact, have hurt herself because of it.

I don't really get the wrestling comparison, but if you are saying that Cosby's influence was the reason so many of these women kept quiet, then yes I agree.

That is probably the same reason it took 9 years for the story to gain traction in the media.

Now that the floodgates are open, these women feel safer speaking out about what Cosby did to them.

Those that are trying to paint all the accusers as trying to make money from it, aren't completely right either.

A few are, but not all of them.

The SNL segment from 2005 jokes about it, but I think there is a lot of truth to it.


Tina Fey: [doing a Bill Cosby impression] No, Kenan is not coming out because of the Fat Albert, and the money, and the sequels!

Amy Poehler: [also doing a Bill Cosby impression] Of course he can’t talk about the boobies, and the groping, and the pudding pops!

Tina Fey: Because it would upset Mr. Cosby, and his wife, Camiiillle!

[Kenan enters and stands behind Tina and Amy]

Kenan Thompson:Wow, thanks for that. Great job, you guys. I didn’t say any of that, because Kenan Thompson loves to work, Okay? Peace.

Rusty Jones
12-09-2014, 03:48 PM
I don't really get the wrestling comparison, but if you are saying that Cosby's influence was the reason so many of these women kept quiet, then yes I agree.

Well, what I was getting at is that it's not uncommon for everyone within a particular industry to keep quiet about certain things.

Rainmaker
12-11-2014, 05:43 PM
Well, what I was getting at is that it's not uncommon for everyone within a particular industry to keep quiet about certain things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blSgak39pdk&list=UUKe1S1kTFIUimj6ou8oKNZA

Stephanie McMahon?? OOH YEEAH DIG IT!!

Rusty Jones
12-12-2014, 04:18 PM
Interesting meme I found. Thoughts?

https://fbcdn-photos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-0/10367584_892323000802241_3981669207138197101_n.jpg ?oh=1f423d8c68e0aa94515a7f04c82fa0a6&oe=550AB2CA&__gda__=1426384451_a291a4786a9a86fa63a8da220edeb66 b

Absinthe Anecdote
12-12-2014, 04:38 PM
Interesting meme I found. Thoughts?

https://fbcdn-photos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-0/10367584_892323000802241_3981669207138197101_n.jpg ?oh=1f423d8c68e0aa94515a7f04c82fa0a6&oe=550AB2CA&__gda__=1426384451_a291a4786a9a86fa63a8da220edeb66 b



Where is the back up for that meme coming from, show me something that documents Cosby was negotiating to buy NBC back in the 1990s, or that he is launching a major media venture of his own now.

I need a little more than that meme.

At least with Beverly Johnson's story in Vanity Fair, she signed her name to it. I give her story more credibility than that meme.

Absinthe Anecdote
12-12-2014, 04:42 PM
Here is Beverly Johnson's story, I give it far more credibility.


Bill Cosby Drugged Me. This Is My Story.


By Beverly Johnson

Like most Americans, I spent the 60s, 70s, and part of the 80s in awe of Bill Cosby and his total domination of popular culture. He was the first African American to star in a dramatic television series, I Spy, a show my family in Buffalo, New York, always watched. Cosby cut a striking figure on-screen then. He was funny, smart, and even elegant—all those wonderful things many white Americans didn’t associate with people of color. In fact, as I thought of going public with what follows, a voice in my head kept whispering, “Black men have enough enemies out there already, they certainly don’t need someone like you, an African American with a familiar face and a famous name, fanning the flames.”

Imagine my joy in the mid-80s when an agent called to say Bill Cosby wanted me to audition for a role on the The Cosby Show. Cosby played an obstetrician, and he sometimes used models to portray pregnant women sitting in his office waiting room. It was a small part with one or two speaking lines at most, but I wanted in.

I was in the midst of an ugly custody battle for my only child. I needed a big break badly and appearing on The Cosby Show seemed like an excellent way of getting Hollywood’s attention. I’d appeared in one or two movies already, but my phone wasn’t exactly ringing off the hook with acting jobs.

Cosby’s handlers invited me to a taping of the show so I could get the lay of the land and an idea of what my role required. After the taping I met all the cast and then met with Cosby in his office to talk a bit about the hell I’d been through in my marriage. He appeared concerned and then asked what I wanted from my career going forward. He seemed genuinely interested in guiding me to the next level. I was on cloud nine.

I brought my daughter to the next taping I attended. Afterward, Cosby asked if I could meet him at his home that weekend to read for the part. My ex-husband had primary custody of my daughter at the time, and I usually spent my weekends with her. Cosby suggested I bring her along, which really reeled me in. He was the Jell-O Pudding man; like most kids, my daughter loved him. When my daughter and I visited Cosby’s New York brownstone, his staff served us a delicious brunch. Then he gave us a tour of the exceptional multi-level home.

Looking back, that first invite from Cosby to his home seems like part of a perfectly laid out plan, a way to make me feel secure with him at all times. It worked like a charm. Cosby suggested I come back to his house a few days later to read for the part. I agreed, and one late afternoon the following week I returned. His staff served a light dinner and Bill and I talked more about my plans for the future.

After the meal, we walked upstairs to a huge living area of his home that featured a massive bar. A huge brass espresso contraption took up half the counter. At the time, it seemed rare for someone to have such a machine in his home for personal use.

Cosby said he wanted to see how I handled various scenes, so he suggested that I pretend to be drunk. (When did a pregnant woman ever appear drunk on The Cosby Show? Probably never, but I went with it.)

As I readied myself to be the best drunk I could be, he offered me a cappuccino from the espresso machine. I told him I didn’t drink coffee that late in the afternoon because it made getting to sleep at night more difficult. He wouldn’t let it go. He insisted that his espresso machine was the best model on the market and promised I’d never tasted a cappuccino quite like this one.

It’s nuts, I know, but it felt oddly inappropriate arguing with Bill Cosby so I took a few sips of the coffee just to appease him.

Now let me explain this: I was a top model during the 70s, a period when drugs flowed at parties and photo shoots like bottled water at a health spa. I’d had my fun and experimented with my fair share of mood enhancers. I knew by the second sip of the drink Cosby had given me that I’d been drugged—and drugged good.

[Editor’s Note: Cosby’s attorneys did not respond to Vanity Fair’s requests for comment.]

My head became woozy, my speech became slurred, and the room began to spin nonstop. Cosby motioned for me to come over to him as though we were really about to act out the scene. He put his hands around my waist, and I managed to put my hand on his shoulder in order to steady myself.

As I felt my body go completely limp, my brain switched into automatic-survival mode. That meant making sure Cosby understood that I knew exactly what was happening at that very moment.

“You are a motherfucker aren’t you?”

That’s the exact question I yelled at him as he stood there holding me, expecting me to bend to his will. I rapidly called him several more “motherfuckers.” By the fifth, I could tell that I was really pissing him off. At one point he dropped his hands from my waist and just stood there looking at me like I’d lost my mind.

What happened next is somewhat cloudy for me because the drug was in fuller play by that time. I recall his seething anger at my tirade and then him grabbing me by my left arm hard and yanking all 110 pounds of me down a bunch of stairs as my high heels clicked and clacked on every step. I feared my neck was going to break with the force he was using to pull me down those stairs.

It was still late afternoon and the sun hadn’t completely gone down yet. When we reached the front door, he pulled me outside of the brownstone and then, with his hand still tightly clenched around my arm, stood in the middle of the street waving down taxis.

When one stopped, Cosby opened the door, shoved me into it and slammed the door behind me without ever saying a word. I somehow managed to tell the driver my address and before blacking out, I looked at the cabbie and asked, as if he knew: “Did I really just call Bill Cosby ‘a motherfucker’?”

Why that was even a concern of mine after what I’d just been through is still a mystery to me? I think my mind refused to process it.

The next day I woke up in my own bed after falling into a deep sleep that lasted most of the day. I had no memory of how I got into my apartment or into my bed, though most likely my doorman helped me out.

I sat in there still stunned by what happened the night before, confused and devastated by the idea that someone I admired so much had tried to take advantage of me, and used drugs to do so. Had I done something to encourage his actions?

In reality, I knew I’d done nothing to encourage Cosby but my mind kept turning with question after question.

It took a few days for the drug to completely wear off and soon I had to get back to work. I headed to California for an acting audition. Not long after arriving, I decided I needed to confront Cosby for my own sanity’s sake. I thought if I just called him, he would come clean and explain why he’d done what he had.

I dialed the private number he’d given me expecting to hear his voice on the other end. But he didn’t answer. His wife did. A little shocked, I quickly identified myself to her in the most respectful way possible and then asked to speak to Bill. Camille politely informed me that it was very late, 11:00 P.M. and that they were both in bed together.

I apologized for the late call and explained that I was in Los Angeles and had forgotten about the three-hour time difference. I added that I would call back tomorrow.

I didn’t call back the next day or any other day after that. At a certain moment it became clear that I would be fighting a losing battle with a powerful man so callous he not only drugged me, but he also gave me the number to the bedroom he shared with his wife. How could I fight someone that boldly arrogant and out of touch? In the end, just like the other women, I had too much to lose to go after Bill Cosby. I had a career that would no doubt take a huge hit if I went public with my story and I certainly couldn’t afford that after my costly divorce and on going court fees.

Absinthe Anecdote
12-12-2014, 04:43 PM
Continued....


For a long time I thought it was something that only happened to me, and that I was somehow responsible. So I kept my secret to myself, believing this truth needed to remain in the darkness. But the last four weeks have changed everything, as so many women have shared similar stories, of which the press have belatedly taken heed.

Still I struggled with how to reveal my big secret, and more importantly, what would people think when and if I did? Would they dismiss me as an angry black woman intent on ruining the image of one of the most revered men in the African American community over the last 40 years? Or would they see my open and honest account of being betrayed by one of the country’s most powerful, influential, and beloved entertainers?

As I wrestled with the idea of telling my story of the day Bill Cosby drugged me with the intention of doing God knows what, the faces of Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, Eric Garner, and countless other brown and black men took residence in my mind.

As if I needed to be reminded. The current plight of the black male was behind my silence when Barbara Bowman came out to tell the horrific details of being drugged and raped by Cosby to the Washington Post in November. And I watched in horror as my longtime friend and fellow model Janice Dickinson was raked over the coals for telling her account of rape at Cosby’s hands. Over the years I’ve met other women who also claim to have been violated by Cosby. Many are still afraid to speak up. I couldn’t sit back and watch the other women be vilified and shamed for something I knew was true.

When I sat down to write my memoir in 2013, I pondered if I should include my Cosby experience. I didn't want to get involved in a he-said/she-said situation. Now that other women have come forward with their nightmare stories, I join them.

Finally, I reached the conclusion that the current attack on African American men has absolutely nothing to do at all with Bill Cosby. He brought this on himself when he decided he had the right to have his way with who knows how many women over the last four decades. If anything, Cosby is distinguished from the majority of black men in this country because he could depend on the powers that be for support and protection.

had to use my voice as a sister, mother, and grandmother, and as a woman who knows that, according to the C.D.C., nearly one in five women has been sexually assaulted at some time in her life, and that women of color face an even higher attack rate.

In part because of what happened to me nearly 30 years ago, I have agreed to serve on the board of the Barbara Sinatra Center for Abused Children. The experience has been as humbling as it has been rewarding. Many of the young children I work with have been sexually abused and I watch in awe of their bravery as they work to recover and feel better.

How could I be any less brave?

Beverly Johnson was a top model during the 70s and 80s and was the first African American woman to appear on the cover of American Vogue in 1974.

http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2014/12/bill-cosby-beverly-johnson-story

sandsjames
12-12-2014, 04:54 PM
Basically what I got from all of that it that she didn't support it for the sake of the reputation of black men. I hope her conscience is clear for all the other who followed in her footsteps.

TJMAC77SP
12-12-2014, 04:56 PM
Continued....

I have to agree this is a credible story. I also saw a short interview with her and she was equally credible.

I also would like to see the back story on the meme Rusty posted. If there was an effort to buy NBC in the 90's he had to have been one of a number of investors. He has never had the kind of fortune that could pull that off.

This whole situation is a mess.

EDIT: Turns out he did at least consider buying NBC (as"one of a number of principals"). http://www.nytimes.com/1992/10/29/business/the-media-business-bill-cosby-trying-to-buy-nbc-from-ge.html

Rusty Jones
12-12-2014, 05:04 PM
I have to agree this is a credible story. I also saw a short interview with her and she was equally credible.

I also would like to see the back story on the meme Rusty posted. If there was an effort to buy NBC in the 90's he had to have been one of a number of investors. He has never had the kind of fortune that could pull that off.

This whole situation is a mess.

EDIT: Turns out he did at least consider buying NBC (as"one of a number of principals"). http://www.nytimes.com/1992/10/29/business/the-media-business-bill-cosby-trying-to-buy-nbc-from-ge.html

I was actually hoping one of you would've known something about him buying NBC back in the early 90's. Imagine that, at that time, he would've had power and money comparable to what Oprah Winfrey has now.

Absinthe Anecdote
12-12-2014, 05:15 PM
Doesn't sound like it was anything more than an inquiry to me...


Mr. Brokaw said Mr. Cosby, who was in Philadelphia yesterday taping his new syndicated television series "You Bet Your Life," would have no comment on the offer..

But Mr. Brokaw denied some news reports yesterday indicating that the deal was dead. "This is a real story," he said. "Bill authorized me to come to New York and meet with Bob Wright."

And Mr. Chaice said: "We understand they said NBC is not for sale. What inferences you can draw from that I'm not sure of. But in my mind, everything is for sale. It just depends on what the seller and buyer agree upon."

As it has done in the past, NBC declined to comment on the possibility that the network might be sold.

But one senior NBC executive, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said that Mr. Brokaw had exaggerated the seriousness of his discussions with Mr. Wright.

Absinthe Anecdote
12-12-2014, 05:21 PM
I was actually hoping one of you would've known something about him buying NBC back in the early 90's. Imagine that, at that time, he would've had power and money comparable to what Oprah Winfrey has now.

From the 1992 NYT article TJ linked...


Mr. Cosby's personal wealth has been estimated at $300 million. The entertainer owns a substantial piece of "The Cosby Show," his longtime comedy hit, which was produced by the Carsey-Werner Company and ended an eight-year run on NBC last spring.

Certainly not enough to purchase NBC on his own, that the same article referenced as being worth between $4.5 and 6 billion.

Absinthe Anecdote
12-14-2014, 03:00 PM
With a statement like this, I wouldn't be surprized if the next time we see Cosby he is suddenly wearing a fez and a dashiki.


Bill Cosby Breaks Silence: I Only Expect Black Media to Remain ‘Neutral’ Amid Rape Allegations
As sexual assault allegations mount against him, Bill Cosby broke his silence to make a statement on the media coverage of the accusations.

“Let me say this. I only expect the black media to uphold the standards of excellence in journalism and when you do that you have to go in with a neutral mind,” Cosby told a New York Post writer, who also writes for black media outlets, in a short phone conversation from his Massachusetts home.

Although Cosby told the reporter that he wasn’t supposed to speak with media (his attorney Marty Singer has been issuing statements on his client’s behalf), he did tell the reporter that his wife, Camille, remained strong amid the accusations.

“Love and the strength of womanhood,” he said of how his wife is handling the news. “Let me say it again, love and the strength of womanhood. And, you could reverse it, the strength of womanhood and love.”

More than 20 women have come forward to say that the famous actor and comedian had drugged and sexually assaulted them. And earlier this week, former model Beverly Johnson came forward with an accusation that Cosby drugged her during a proposed audition for “The Cosby Show” in the 1980s. She was able to escape the situation before any type of possible sexual attack could occur.

https://tv.yahoo.com/news/bill-cosby-breaks-silence-black-media-stay-neutral-073643824.html

TJMAC77SP
12-14-2014, 04:34 PM
With a statement like this, I wouldn't be surprized if the next time we see Cosby he is suddenly wearing a fez and a dashiki.

Yeah, this doesn't bode well for him.

sandsjames
12-14-2014, 05:49 PM
Yeah, this doesn't bode well for him.

I don't think it matters too much. He's old, doesn't need any more money. Now he can just chill. I don't think he really cares what people think about him.

Absinthe Anecdote
12-14-2014, 06:16 PM
I don't think it matters too much. He's old, doesn't need any more money. Now he can just chill. I don't think he really cares what people think about him.

You don't think a guy like Cosby would be concerned about his legacy?

He is successful, and successful people have egos.

Plus, if these allegations are true, and I think they probably are, he is also a sociopath.

Sociopaths are narcissistic to their core.

He cares about this a lot.

sandsjames
12-14-2014, 06:19 PM
You don't think a guy like Cosby would be concerned about his legacy?

He is successful, and successful people have egos.

Plus, if these allegations are true, and I think they probably are, he is also a sociopath.

Sociopaths are narcissistic to their core.

He cares about this a lot.

Why do you always have to bring your Greek Gods into it?

Rainmaker
12-16-2014, 05:00 PM
Continued....

Cliff notes Please!

Rainmaker
12-16-2014, 05:06 PM
Interesting meme I found. Thoughts?

https://fbcdn-photos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-0/10367584_892323000802241_3981669207138197101_n.jpg ?oh=1f423d8c68e0aa94515a7f04c82fa0a6&oe=550AB2CA&__gda__=1426384451_a291a4786a9a86fa63a8da220edeb66 b

Guess Bill Cosby wouldn't wear a dress?? Why the Hell is Rodman getting so much publicity with N. Korea??? He's supposed to be just some lunatic freak with pink hair?? Yeah RRRRigth....He was publically put in a dress by the cult to humiliate him just like all the rest of the famous black man. You all know damn well too that His ex Skank is the Monarch Butterfly.....High Priestess of the Babylonian Cult herself....Madonna (sacrilege) ... The cabalists has an interracial fetish... NOW Holly weird calling down the ISIS rituals....Taylor Swift IS next...watch for the fall after she dance with Park it in my Lot....7-11....Lay on the floor with Dogs you gonna get up with Fleas....Galatians 6:7-9!!!! Queen Bey.....Trying to corrupt her....It's so obvious and why Obamao sent J-Zee and Herr to Cuba too??! No way you go there without thee state department approval.. What Would you do with-out SAPR traing?? It's Time to Wake up Sheepuls

Rollyn01
12-16-2014, 05:51 PM
Cliff notes Please!

I see what you did there... lol

Bos Mutus
07-07-2015, 04:47 PM
This is crazy...even Bill Cosby was in on the plot to take down Bill Cosby



Bill Cosby testified in 2005 that he got Quaaludes with the intent of
giving them to young women he wanted to have sex with, and he admitted
giving the sedative to at least one woman and “other people,”
according to documents obtained Monday by The Associated Press.
The A.P. had gone to court to compel the release of the documents;
Cosby's lawyers had objected on the grounds that it would embarrass
their client.
The 77-year-old comedian was testifying under oath in a lawsuit filed
by a former Temple University employee. He testified he gave her three
half-pills of Benadryl.

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/07/bill-cosby-sex-drugs-confession

Bos Mutus
07-07-2015, 07:21 PM
Looks like Bill Cosby has a friend - a female friend - who is standing by him. Who? Jill Scott - who, much like John Legend, is a clean soul singer with a fan base that spans people of all colors, who don't even necessarily listen to hip hop and/or mainstream R&B - a rarity since the 1970's. So far, she appears to be the first celebrity to have stood up for him. Will others follow? We'll see...

http://thegrio.com/2014/12/01/jill-scott-cosby/


He's lost Jill



The damning testimony swayed many of Cosby's last supporters. Singer Jill Scott, who had called the Cosby allegations "insane" in December, tweeted that "the sworn testimony is proof," and added she was "completely disgusted."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2015/07/07/bill-cosby-lawyers-weigh-in-drug-revelation/29807517/

Whoopi and Raven still not rushing to judgement



“I think it’s, again, we’ll see what happens,” Goldberg said of the Cosby developments. “As more information comes out, people can make judgments. I don’t like snap judgments.”

The TV host added she didn’t care what critics would say of her stance.

“Save your texts; save your nasty comments. I don’t care. I say this because this is my opinion, and in America, still, I know it’s a shock, but you are still innocent until proven guilty," she said. "He has not been proven.”

Meanwhile, co-host Raven Symoné, who starred on “The Cosby Show” alongside the comedian, seemed hesitant to chime in during the conversation. She admitted it was a tough topic for her to discuss.

“I don’t really like to discuss [this] because he is the reason I am on this panel in the first place. He gave me my first job,” she said. “You need proof and then I will be able to give my judgment here or there.”

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2015/07/07/whoopi-goldberg-bill-cosby-is-innocent-until-proven-guilty/

Mjölnir
07-07-2015, 08:19 PM
Whoopi and Raven still not rushing to judgement

So ... he admitted (under oath) to obtaining prescription drugs to use on women in the past. I hope that they are talking about proof of the new allegations ... and not the old ones.

Bos Mutus
07-07-2015, 08:53 PM
So ... he admitted (under oath) to obtaining prescription drugs to use on women in the past. I hope that they are talking about proof of the new allegations ... and not the old ones.

Are there new allegations? I thought they were all pretty much old, hence the Statute of Limitations expiration.

The only "new allegations" I've heard of is some of the women filing suit against him for defamation...because he called them liars about the old accusations.

Rainmaker
07-07-2015, 09:07 PM
This is crazy...even Bill Cosby was in on the plot to take down Bill Cosby








It's true that this type of behavior is not something you'd ever expect from a black man. But, unfortunately I have no choice except to believe what the TV tells me to.

Mjölnir
07-07-2015, 10:04 PM
Are there new allegations? I thought they were all pretty much old, hence the Statute of Limitations expiration.

The only "new allegations" I've heard of is some of the women filing suit against him for defamation...because he called them liars about the old accusations.

All old activity, as far as I know. I don't think his testimony as mentioned in the article are about of the currently being adjudicated accusations.

Bos Mutus
07-07-2015, 11:19 PM
All old activity, as far as I know. I don't think his testimony as mentioned in the article are about of the currently being adjudicated accusations.

Right...his testimony was from 2005, just released....regarding an assault that presumably happened in 2004.

garhkal
07-08-2015, 05:51 AM
Wow.. SO he is effectively admitting now, he did these crimes.
Sorry bill, but you lost me as a supporter!

Absinthe Anecdote
07-08-2015, 01:06 PM
Wow.. SO he is effectively admitting now, he did these crimes.
Sorry bill, but you lost me as a supporter!

Over two dozen women claiming the same thing wasn't enough for you?

FLAPS, USAF (ret)
07-08-2015, 01:19 PM
Just goes to show you can't trust who you see on TV, just because they seem "nice." I grew up watching Fat Albert, then the Cosby show and was convinced Bill Cosby was the model citizen, to be emulated by all black men. Now the truth about this scumbag is out. Where's Al Sharpton and his cries for "Justice?" Justice to Al means a guilty verdict and jail sentence...without the trial.

Absinthe Anecdote
07-08-2015, 02:03 PM
The biggest crock of shit next to religion is the concept of actors being role models.

Cosby acted a part, Cliff Huxtable and Fat Albert were fictional characters.

Rainmaker
07-08-2015, 02:30 PM
The biggest crock of shit next to religion is the concept of actors being role models.

Cosby acted a part, Cliff Huxtable and Fat Albert were fictional characters.

You can Love him or hate him. But, It can't be denied that Bill Cosby is one of the great actors of our time....

He's so good in fact that even way back in the 1980's he was able to convince racist White America that Dr. Huxtable was really America's Dad.

Bill knows how to follow the script , which right now is convincing White America that he's really a serial Rapist.

Bos Mutus
07-08-2015, 02:46 PM
The biggest crock of shit next to religion is the concept of actors being role models.

Cosby acted a part, Cliff Huxtable and Fat Albert were fictional characters.

...outside of his characters, he also had his own personal message.

I mean, nothing about being an actor makes someone unqualified to be a role model. Beyond the characters, many admired Bill Cosby the man, or who they thought he was.

Absinthe Anecdote
07-08-2015, 03:31 PM
...outside of his characters, he also had his own personal message.

I mean, nothing about being an actor makes someone unqualified to be a role model. Beyond the characters, many admired Bill Cosby the man, or who they thought he was.

Having a role model who has one foot in a fictional world and the other in a world managed by a troop of publicists is fucked up.

His personal message was crafted, polished and presented just like a product being sold. He built a personal brand and too many people bought into it. Once it came out that he was a deeply flawed individual, many people still clinged to the image that he crafted.

What is flawed is the concept of having role models.

If one wants to emulate an athlete's training program to sharpen their skills, or emulate an actor's methods to be a better actor, fine.

The mistake is thinking that a famous person has a better grip on ethics and morals is what is fucked up.

Rainmaker
07-08-2015, 03:33 PM
...outside of his characters, he also had his own personal message.

I mean, nothing about being an actor makes someone unqualified to be a role model. Beyond the characters, many admired Bill Cosby the man, or who they thought he was.

^^^^
This

Cosby was one of the few blacks actually telling it like it is and speaking out against fatherless households, lack of education And the ghetto mentality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itWCvkK44lE

Self-Reliance and Personal responsibility are no longer tolerated in the Collectivist Utopia.They serve at the Pleasure of the King.... And Dr. Huxtable was getting in the way of the narrative.

Absinthe Anecdote
07-08-2015, 03:57 PM
^^^^
This

Cosby was one of the few blacks actually telling it like it is and speaking out against fatherless households, lack of education And the ghetto mentality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itWCvkK44lE

Self-Reliance and Personal responsibility are no longer tolerated in the Collectivist Utopia.They serve at the Pleasure of the King.... And Dr. Huxtable was getting in the way of the narrative.

Please! Enough of your nonsense.

Chris Rock can be your hero now that Bill Cosby was shitcanned.


http://youtu.be/6tkZuLixZOk

Bos Mutus
07-08-2015, 04:00 PM
Having a role model who has one foot in a fictional world and the other in a world managed by a troop of publicists is fucked up.

His personal message was crafted, polished and presented just like a product being sold. He built a personal brand and too many people bought into it. Once it came out that he was a deeply flawed individual, many people still clinged to the image that he crafted.

What is flawed is the concept of having role models.

If one wants to emulate an athlete's training program to sharpen their skills, or emulate an actor's methods to be a better actor, fine.

The mistake is thinking that a famous person has a better grip on ethics and morals is what is fucked up.

I have no problem with people having role models.

I think it's fucked up to think you have nothing to learn from anybody else...I think there are admirable people out there...doesn't mean they are flawless or perfect, but there are some admirable people that can be looked up to. Some of them could be actors...but, true, the character is not the person.

...and if you put too much admiration onto anyone, you're bound to be disappointed.

Bos Mutus
07-08-2015, 04:10 PM
^^^^
This

Cosby was one of the few blacks actually telling it like it is and speaking out against fatherless households, lack of education And the ghetto mentality.

I think there's a good message in there...unfortunately, he's a decades-long serial rapist, so he's lost any credibility and can no longer be the torch-bearer.

Rainmaker
07-08-2015, 04:11 PM
Please! Enough of your nonsense.

Chris Rock can be your hero now that Bill Cosby was shitcanned.


http://youtu.be/6tkZuLixZOk

I don't have heros. But, being a white man, my role models were White.....Now, Personally I was never a Big Cosby fan. But, I do think he had a positive message for the black men that they can lift themselves out of this quagmire without Daddy Government doing it for them. That's why he was taken down. As for Chris Rock he's a racist and so are you.

Rainmaker
07-08-2015, 04:13 PM
I think there's a good message in there...unfortunately, he's a decades-long serial rapist, so he's lost any credibility and can no longer be the torch-bearer.

Agree. And this has been known for a decade (at least). So, given that. Do you think the timing of this information coming to light was coincidental?

Absinthe Anecdote
07-08-2015, 04:16 PM
I have no problem with people having role models.

I think it's fucked up to think you have nothing to learn from anybody else...I think there are admirable people out there...doesn't mean they are flawless or perfect, but there are some admirable people that can be looked up to. Some of them could be actors...but, true, the character is not the person.

Do you think you are TJ? Nice try, but like TJ you aren't going win an argument about about what I said.

I confined my criticism of role models to ethics and morals. If you want to look to athletes and actors to find your moral codes, you are being a dumbass.

If I want to study ethics, I'll turn to philosophers like Socrates, Kant, and Mill.

Rainmaker
07-08-2015, 04:27 PM
If I want to study ethics, I'll turn to philosophers like Socrates, Kant, and Mill.

You should just read the bible instead. Since, Plato made a journey into Egypt and was initiated into the mystery at Alexandria by the Prophet Jeremiah

Bos Mutus
07-08-2015, 04:30 PM
Agree. And this has been known for a decade (at least). So, given that. Do you think the timing of this information coming to light was coincidental?

I don't think it was master-minded by some grand puppeteer, no.

It gained traction...initially on social media...for various reasons...some stories catch on, some don't...some smolder and catch on later. There can be some manipulation at work, sure...like a fire, someone lights the match, but some fires burn better than others...sometimes the same fire will burn better 5 years from now than it does now....you can build throw straw on the fire, you can build defensible spaces...but no one really controls the fire.

There are a multitude of variables at work.

But, I don't believe that Bill Cosby was taken down because the Liberal elites didn't like his message of self-reliance to blacks because they were afraid blacks would rise up and be taken off the govt. welfare system and start voting conservative...uh, no.

Bill Cosby has been teaching this message for what, at least 10-20 years? ...Did something happen recently that this is timed with? Basically, this could've happened any time in the last 20 years and you would've found the "timing suspicious"...right?

So, this Hannibal guy jokes some criticism of him...but what really gained this all traction was Cosby's camp put out an "internet meme" challenge with is picture or something as a publicity stunt...and a bunch of snarky trolls attached rape messages...and the fire started...then it's trending on twitter or whatever so the news started commenting on it...then the victims felt empowered to re-tell their stories with a larger audience.

Publicity fail...Internet publicity challenges are like lawyers asking questions in court that they don't know the answer to.

Still many figured they were up to something...

Now, are there some people that are more than happy to see him go down in flames...and will more than willingly put that bus in reverse and back over him again...absolutely. Do I think those same people were holding this for the last 20 years waiting for the shot-caller to determine the right time?...no again.

Bos Mutus
07-08-2015, 04:34 PM
Do you think you are TJ? Nice try, but like TJ you aren't going win an argument about about what I said.

I confined my criticism of role models to ethics and morals. If you want to look to athletes and actors to find your moral codes, you are being a dumbass.

It was this comment that threw me off what you meant to say:



What is flawed is the concept of having role models.

Rainmaker
07-08-2015, 07:05 PM
I don't think it was master-minded by some grand puppeteer, no.

It gained traction...initially on social media...for various reasons...some stories catch on, some don't...some smolder and catch on later. There can be some manipulation at work, sure...like a fire, someone lights the match, but some fires burn better than others...sometimes the same fire will burn better 5 years from now than it does now....you can build throw straw on the fire, you can build defensible spaces...but no one really controls the fire.

There are a multitude of variables at work.

But, I don't believe that Bill Cosby was taken down because the Liberal elites didn't like his message of self-reliance to blacks because they were afraid blacks would rise up and be taken off the govt. welfare system and start voting conservative...uh, no.

Bill Cosby has been teaching this message for what, at least 10-20 years? ...Did something happen recently that this is timed with? Basically, this could've happened any time in the last 20 years and you would've found the "timing suspicious"...right?

So, this Hannibal guy jokes some criticism of him...but what really gained this all traction was Cosby's camp put out an "internet meme" challenge with is picture or something as a publicity stunt...and a bunch of snarky trolls attached rape messages...and the fire started...then it's trending on twitter or whatever so the news started commenting on it...then the victims felt empowered to re-tell their stories with a larger audience.

Publicity fail...Internet publicity challenges are like lawyers asking questions in court that they don't know the answer to.

Still many figured they were up to something...

Now, are there some people that are more than happy to see him go down in flames...and will more than willingly put that bus in reverse and back over him again...absolutely. Do I think those same people were holding this for the last 20 years waiting for the shot-caller to determine the right time?...no again.

For over a decade (if not longer) The media has known every detail of Cosby's sick personal life. But, it was deemed to be a non-story. That is until, Cosby got out in front of the Ferguson shit-show and became very vocal with his message, which ran counter to the Racist White vs. Black Victim narrative drum that they are constantly beating....

The media can make or break anyone in the public eye. All they have to do is try them in the court of public opinion and their career is over. Clinton was accused of several rapes, but unlike Cosby, they attacked the women in those cases and then never followed up.

Now, There's always been a certain level of leftist bias in the press. It's a given. But, since the 1990s when 6 mega cartels were allowed to monopolize 90% of the Media outlets in the country, they've crossed the rubicon from simply biased reporting into staged events and out right propaganda aimed at stoking these fires and race-baiting

If you look at all these "protests" they all have the same professional agitators showing up at every event and instigating and promoting this violence. They are sowing seeds misery into the wind and they will eventually reap the whirlwind and be held to account. God is not mocked Bitches.

Bos Mutus
07-08-2015, 07:35 PM
For over a decade (at least) The media has known every detail of Cosby's sick personal life. But, it was deemed to be a non-story. That is until, Cosby got out in front of the Ferguson shit-show and became very vocal with his message, which ran counter to the Racist White vs. Black Victim narrative drum that they are constantly beating....

I guess I missed all this "very vocal" stuff he did no Ferguson...only been able to find one pretty vague statement about mental illness and voting for public servants.


The media can make or break anyone in the public eye. All they have to do is try them in the court of public opinion and their career is over. Clinton was accused of several rapes, but unlike Cosby, they attacked the women in those cases and then never followed up.

Now, There's always been a certain level of leftist bias in the press. But, since the 1990s when 6 mega cartels were allowed to monopolize 90% of the Media outlets in the country, they've crossed the rubicon from simply biased reporting into staged events and out right propaganda aimed at stoking these fires and race-baiting. If you look at all these "protests" they all have the same agitators showing up at every event and instigating and promoting this violence.

They are sowing seeds misery into the wind and they will eventually reap the whirlwind and be held to account. God is not mocked Bitches.

All speculation.

My take is there is ALWAYS something going on...ALWAYS things that can be fictitiously tied together and say "isn't this suspicious"....if this happened to Cosby 15 years ago it would've been because of what he said about Rodney King...or how they interrupted Rodney King coverage for the Bill Cosby finale...isn't that curious, the Bill Cosby big finale timed suspiciously to distract us all from Rodney King....curfew in L.A., but let's watch Cosby.

It's very easy to construct these plot/conspiracy theories...played this game before...the truth is not really hidden in anonymous internet blogs...it's BS.

Name anything that has every happened to anyone at anytime...and we can find something else going on at the same time and make it sound "suspicious" of the grand "media"...

Bullshit.

It is unfortunate the public loves a good sex scandal.

garhkal
07-08-2015, 07:44 PM
Over two dozen women claiming the same thing wasn't enough for you?

Since i have seen several dozen instances in the news over the past 3-4 years, where someone's claim was found false/made up.. No it wasn't enough. Until a trial or, bill himself admitted to it, i still felt he should be seen as innocent till proven guilty.

Bos Mutus
07-08-2015, 07:56 PM
If you look at all these "protests" they all have the same professional agitators showing up at every event and instigating and promoting this violence.

They also all have the same professional fear-mongers responding to them...

America is not dead...it's not on the decline...it has not been stolen... there is no one we need to "take it back" from...there have always been problems in America, there always will be...and it's still as great as ever...the media isn't trying to ruin it. America has enemies, but it always had enemies....often exaggerated by the fear-mongers, though.

We've always had disagreements...often violent...there were no good ol' days where we were all united, not for very long anyway...

The professional fear-mongers makes a nice living convincing people like you that the current problems are unlike any before, unprecedented...and their precious America is being stolen...wake up...don't fall for it.

In the end, the agitators, the fear-mongers, the media...are mostly opportunists rather than real sinister controllers...you give them too much credit.

Everything's gonna be alright....vote for smart people, not loud people.

Rainmaker
07-08-2015, 08:53 PM
They also all have the same professional fear-mongers responding to them...

America is not dead...it's not on the decline...it has not been stolen... there is no one we need to "take it back" from...there have always been problems in America, there always will be...and it's still as great as ever...the media isn't trying to ruin it. America has enemies, but it always had enemies....often exaggerated by the fear-mongers, though.

We've always had disagreements...often violent...there were no good ol' days where we were all united, not for very long anyway...

The professional fear-mongers makes a nice living convincing people like you that the current problems are unlike any before, unprecedented...and their precious America is being stolen...wake up...don't fall for it.

Everything's gonna be alright....vote for smart people, not loud people.

Yes, Rainmaker is well aware of the seculum and that we've been here before and there is nothing new under the sun. These things tend to run on an 80 year cycle. Eventually, Things are always set right. Because, Fire purifies.

Now, The internet has flipped everything on its head and there's plenty of disinformation out there (most of it blowback planted by US). But, If you can actually be so dumb as to think CNN is objective reporting and discount anything that doesn't come from a "credible" source then you really need to come out from your cave and face the light Boss.

When you have 6 companies controlling all the Mainstream Media points of entry into the Nation Then, common sense should tell you that can't be considered to be objective reporting. Why do you take them seriously?

Conspiracy Theorist (just like Homophobe), is nothing more than a made up word engineered by those who wish to shut down any sound argument or questioning of the Official State narrative in search for the truth. ...

By every objective measure America is in decline. I don't see voting as the solution to Our problem because, they can't be solved Politically when you have a corrupt system where The lobbyists bribe the politicians to pass laws creating cartels and monopolies in exchange for campaign financing.

Now People get the government they deserve. Israel demanded a King.

But, playing along if you really need a King to save you....Then, Who are the smart people you'd recommend Rainmaker should be voting for? Bernie Sanders the Socialist? Pocahontas Warren? Hitlery? to the left of me Or is it Jeb (PNAC Greater Israel) Bush, Trump (declared bankruptcy 7 times) or Crispy Crème Christie to the right?

Bos Mutus
07-08-2015, 09:07 PM
Yes, Rainmaker is well aware of the seculum and that we've been here before and there is nothing new under the sun. These things tend to run on an 80 year cycle. Eventually, Things are always set right. Because, Fire purifies.

Now, The internet has flipped everything on its head and there's plenty of disinformation out there (most of it blowback planted by US). But, If you can actually be so dumb as to think CNN is objective reporting and discount anything that doesn't come from a "credible" source then you really need to come out from your cave and face the light Boss.

When you have 6 companies controlling all the Mainstream Media points of entry into the Nation Then, common sense should tell you that can't be considered to be objective reporting. Why do you take them seriously?

Take what so seriously? I watch all the news and read whatever I read always with a grain of salt.

I'm not the one running around screaming the sky is falling all the time.


Conspiracy Theorist (just like Homophobe), is nothing more than a made up word engineered by those who wish to shut down any sound argument or questioning of the Official State narrative in search for the truth. ...

By every objective measure America is in decline.

Really? Every one? You are so deceived.

You must only look at those measures selected by those who want to prove to you America is in decline...figures don't lie, but liars can figure

How much do you want to bet I can find at least three objective measures that are not in decline? It's gotta be worth my time though.

I'll also let you pick any period of our history...and find you objective measures that were on the decline.

It's really not that difficult...objective measures can paint any picture you want them to, if you get to select the ones you want..


I don't see voting as the solution to Our problem because, they can't be solved by Politically when you have a corrupt system where The lobbyists bribe the politicians to pass laws creating cartels and monopolies in exchange for campaign financing.

I will say...that doesn't surprise me, you are consistent...in all your ranting, trolling, on here...you've never once offered or endorsed a real solution, to my recollection.


Now People get the government they deserve. Israel demanded a King.

But, playing along if you want a King....Then, Who are the smart people you'd recommend we should be voting for? Bernie Sanders the Socialist? Pocahontas Warren? Hitlery? On the left Or is it Jeb (PNAC Greater Israel) Bush, Trump (declared bankruptcy 7 times) or Crispy Crème Christie on the right?

I'm undecided at this point.

Rainmaker
07-08-2015, 09:47 PM
How much do you want to bet I can find at least three objective measures that are not in decline? It's gotta be worth my time though.
i'll also let you pick any period of our history...and find you objective measures that were on the decline.
It's really not that difficult...objective measures can paint any picture you want them to, if you get to select the ones you want..

Before we continue the debate Boss, Rainmaker would be remiss not to mention that he made $22K last month..... Now, Every month I spend 10% of the take home on my preps.... So, this month I cleaned the local Ace Hardware store out of all their brass couplings, fittings, elbows etc.....

Anyhow, The point is this: Rainmaker did not become so successful by taking sucker's bets..... I'm sure you could scourer the pages of the Washington post and give me 3 metrics pulled from the crack reporting of Kensyian neocon shill statistics (like Krauthammer) telling me how good we're all doing and that there's really only 5% unemployment and low inflation..... But, My job takes me out of the office where I get to Take a ride around the Idocracy and behold The plundering of the middle and lower classes financially and socially that has occurred.

But, Hey Who you gonna believe Boss?....the state propaganda or your lyin eyes?

All this is the result of intentional government policies in the last 50 years. Tripling of welfare payments, removing fathers from families, driving up divorce rates, 99% of custody cases awarded to women, creating criminals for the police state to hire cops, build jails, and incarcerate historic record #s of people .....There are ebbs and flows. It's a cyclical thing. But, I know this time is different. You Progs have got it all figured out....Finally, Man has become God.....

"In times of Universal deceit telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

Bos Mutus
07-08-2015, 10:03 PM
Before we continue the debate Boss, Rainmaker would be remiss not to mention that he made $22K last month..... Now, Every month I spend 10% of the take home on my preps.... So, this month I cleaned the local Ace Hardware store out of all their brass couplings, fittings, elbows etc.....

Anyhow, The point is this: Rainmaker did not become so successful by taking sucker's bets..... I'm sure you could scourer the pages of the Washington post and give me 3 metrics pulled from the crack reporting of Kensyian neocon shill statistics (like Krauthammer) telling me how good we're all doing and that there's really only 5% unemployment and low inflation..... But, My job takes me out of the office where I get to Take a ride around the Idocracy and behold The plundering of the middle and lower classes financially and socially that has occurred.

But, Hey Who you gonna believe Boss?....the state propaganda or your lyin eyes?

All this is the result of intentional government policies in the last 50 years. Tripling of welfare payments, removing fathers from families, driving up divorce rates, 99% of custody cases awarded to women, creating criminals for the police state to hire cops, build jails, and incarcerate historic record #s of people .....There are ebbs and flows. It's a cyclical thing. But, I know this time is different. You Progs have got it all figured out....Finally, Man has become God.....

"In times of Universal deceit telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

Got it...same old schtick

"Everything sucks...anything that says otherwise is made up by the sucky elite...anyone who says something doesn't suck is part of the sucky elite that is making everything suck and is making up the things that say it doesn't suck...I offer no solution because all solutions to everything also suck...but, I'm doing great, thank you."

~ Rainman Truth Nation Manifesto.


Boss, Mute Us...Out.

Rainmaker
07-08-2015, 10:08 PM
Got it...same old schtick

"Everything sucks...anything that says otherwise is made up by the sucky elite...anyone who says something doesn't suck is part of the sucky elite that is making everything suck and is making up the things that say it doesn't suck...I offer no solution because all solutions to everything also suck...but, I'm doing great, thank you."

~ Rainman Truth Nation Manifesto.


Boss, Mute Us...Out.

Why don't we get down to brass tacks shall we?

The fool says in his heart "There is no God."

Mjölnir
07-08-2015, 10:16 PM
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Absinthe Anecdote
07-09-2015, 12:12 AM
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Don't worry, he just makes that crap up off the cuff.

garhkal
07-09-2015, 03:05 AM
Conspiracy Theorist (just like Homophobe), is nothing more than a made up word engineered by those who wish to shut down any sound argument or questioning of the Official State narrative in search for the truth. ...

Just like some of the newer "Buzz words", Micro-aggression, white privilege, Professional victim.



By every objective measure America is in decline. I don't see voting as the solution to Our problem because, they can't be solved Politically when you have a corrupt system where The lobbyists bribe the politicians to pass laws creating cartels and monopolies in exchange for campaign financing.


There are a lot of us, including me, who do feel America is in a decline, Spiritually, Socially, Economically and politically. And i am sure people on BOTH sides, can pull up links to support their opinion as to whether we are or are not in a decline. So i just have to go with how i see it.

Rainmaker
07-09-2015, 03:14 AM
Don't worry, he just makes that crap up off the cuff.

Proverbs 14 RSV as shown to me by the Oracle at Gibtown. We mock what we don't understand.

Mjölnir
07-09-2015, 03:14 AM
Just like some of the newer "Buzz words", Micro-aggression, white privilege, Professional victim.



There are a lot of us, including me, who do feel America is in a decline, Spiritually, Socially, Economically and politically. And i am sure people on BOTH sides, can pull up links to support their opinion as to whether we are or are not in a decline. So i just have to go with how i see it.

The funny thing is how often the source data for both sides of an argument/debate is the SAME data ... Skewed to deliver the desired effect. I agree with you, call it like you see it. i do think it is important to study opinions that counter our own. Only listening to points that reinforce a preconcieved opinion makes us intellectually lazy.

UncaRastus
07-09-2015, 03:13 PM
Oracle at Gibtown ...

If RM thinks that Gibtown is the Last Freak Show on Earth, RM hasn't ever visited the city in which I live.

Watch the Beverly Hillbillies, then come on out here and try to find a difference between Granny and the residents in this town, RM!

Now I have to go stir the pot of 'possum stew, along with the other pot of gopher gravy on my wood burning stove ...

Bos Mutus
07-09-2015, 03:17 PM
The funny thing is how often the source data for both sides of an argument/debate is the SAME data ... Skewed to deliver the desired effect. I agree with you, call it like you see it. i do think it is important to study opinions that counter our own. Only listening to points that reinforce a preconcieved opinion makes us intellectually lazy.

A favorite example of mine is the Rasmussen Daily Presidential poll.

Now, historically, they would poll people on their approval of the President....you could strongly approve, approve, neutral, disapprove or strongly disapprove.

So, typically, they would add up the approvals vs. disapprovals...and say maybe the President hasa 45% approval...55% disapproval...52% approval, 48% disapproval...or whatever it may be.

Rasmussen, being a right-wing "reporter" of sorts...decided about a month after Obama took office, that this wasn't good enough. Obama was gettting too high marks and it didn't make the headline he wanted.. So, coincidentally, just after Obama took office, the pollster Rasmussen Reports suddenly "develops" a new polling number...called the approval index.

The approval index ignores those who approve of the President and those who Disapprove. It takes only those who "Strongly" feel this way. It then subtracts the "Strongly Disapprove" from "Strongly Approve" to get a number.

This is important to those guys...because for example, today, Obama has a 48% approval rating. Okay, could be better but not bad. It was better when this index was invented. Ah but his "Approval Index" today is -14. Wow...that really really sounds bad huh! Approval index -14....a negative approval rate for people that only read headlines...

Even when Obama had a 55% approval rate, instead of saying that, cuz that was like, a good thing, they can subtract his strongly disapproves for his strongly approves so that his "approval index" is a mere 16. Now, they could still make their headline "Obama's Approval Index plummets to 16." The average conservative leaning reader just got their feel good, low Presidential approval number that they want.

Oh yeah, they could also claim "Lowest Approval Index in History"...since that stat had never before been tracked in history. Now, these ill informed would be claiming measures of Presidential Approval are lower than at anytime in history (a national decline, doncha know)...when it was clearly not true.

But, you know, numbers don't lie. I have a feeling that the next time a Republican is elected, Rasmussen will go back to Presidential Approval...or come up with a way to add the slightly disapprove to approve...call it the Approval Factor and headline "80% of those polled do not strongly disapprove of this president"...highest in history...LOL

Bos Mutus
07-09-2015, 04:46 PM
There are a lot of us, including me, who do feel America is in a decline, Spiritually, Socially, Economically and politically. And i am sure people on BOTH sides, can pull up links to support their opinion as to whether we are or are not in a decline. So i just have to go with how i see it.

Decline compared to when?

Let's ignore spiritually for now because we'll never agree on what's "good" and "bad" there...

Socially...were we better off socially in 1960s? How about the 1860s? When were we so socially better off?

Economically?...were we better off 5 years ago? 10 years ago? 100 years ago? Just curious, by reading your conservative websites are you under the impression that the "worst recovery in US history" is a very bad thing...and much worse than "a mild recession?"

Maybe you should learn that "worst recovery" is conservative misdirection for "the economy has gotten better", but we want it to sound bad...while "a mild recession" means it's gotten worse...other recoveries in history have been faster...but, there have been dozens of recessions...

So, yes, you can cherry pick a time of economic growth and say "See, we've declined since this time"...but overall..the conomy is in a growth period at this moment and is larger and more productive than at any time in history.

Politically? Oh sure we have some political disagreements...but nothing compared to oh, I dunno, the civil war? the 1960s? Although, I do tend to agree that we are in political decline at the moment...we suck right now...we have no statesmen...it's all about big money, my side vs. your side, winning...heck, the Republicans even recently admitted that their marching orders at the beginning of Obama's presidency was to oppose everything he wanted, even if they felt it was good for the country...yeah, political decline indeed. When the GOP wins control of the House and their #1 priority is to win more power for their party...we are in a political decline...I'll give you that one, you talked me into it.

Now if GOP refuses to cooperate with the POTUS...is "political decline" a good thing or a bad thing? Would you rather they cooperate?

So, I'm curious as to when you think these good old days were...then we can maybe talk about issues going on during this time...chances are you have either a very romanticized view of a time period before you were born so you haven't actually "seen" this decline, it's just what you've been lead to believe....or you remember it from when you were a child and didn't really know what was going on, but life sure seemed simple and pleasant..

That's not to say everything is all wine and roses today...there are problem...big problems...but there always has been. To say that America today is in decline in all the areas you mention is preposterous...

America--Love it or Leave it,

Rainmaker
07-09-2015, 05:14 PM
Decline compared to when?

Let's ignore spiritually for now because we'll never agree on what's "good" and "bad" there...

Socially...were we better off socially in 1960s? How about the 1860s? When were we so socially better off?

Economically?...were we better off 5 years ago? 10 years ago? 100 years ago? Just curious, by reading your conservative websites are you under the impression that the "worst recovery in US history" is a very bad thing...and much worse than "a mild recession?"

Maybe you should learn that "worst recovery" is conservative misdirection for "the economy has gotten better", but we want it to sound bad...while "a mild recession" means it's gotten worse...other recoveries in history have been faster...but, there have been dozens of recessions...

So, yes, you can cherry pick a time of economic growth and say "See, we've declined since this time"...but overall..the conomy is in a growth period at this moment and is larger and more productive than at any time in history.

Politically? Oh sure we have some political disagreements...but nothing compared to oh, I dunno, the civil war? the 1960s? Although, I do tend to agree that we are in political decline at the moment...we suck right now...we have no statesmen...it's all about big money, my side vs. your side, winning...heck, the Republicans even recently admitted that their marching orders at the beginning of Obama's presidency was to oppose everything he wanted, even if they felt it was good for the country...yeah, political decline indeed. When the GOP wins control of the House and their #1 priority is to win more power for their party...we are in a political decline...I'll give you that one, you talked me into it.

Now if GOP refuses to cooperate with the POTUS...is "political decline" a good thing or a bad thing? Would you rather they cooperate?

So, I'm curious as to when you think these good old days were...then we can maybe talk about issues going on during this time...chances are you have either a very romanticized view of a time period before you were born so you haven't actually "seen" this decline, it's just what you've been lead to believe....or you remember it from when you were a child and didn't really know what was going on, but life sure seemed simple and pleasant..

Somebody quick! We're gonna need more Kool Aid!

Absinthe Anecdote
07-09-2015, 06:10 PM
Somebody quick! We're gonna need more Kool Aid!

You mean like that off-brand crap Jim Jones gave his followers? I think it was actually called Flavor-Aid.

Which seems to be the kind the kind of stuff you drink on a regular basis. All of your incoherent conspiracy bullshit and you have the nerve to call Bos Mustus a Kool Aid drinker?

SomeRandomGuy
07-09-2015, 06:11 PM
Decline compared to when?

Let's ignore spiritually for now because we'll never agree on what's "good" and "bad" there...

Socially...were we better off socially in 1960s? How about the 1860s? When were we so socially better off?

Economically?...were we better off 5 years ago? 10 years ago? 100 years ago? Just curious, by reading your conservative websites are you under the impression that the "worst recovery in US history" is a very bad thing...and much worse than "a mild recession?"

Maybe you should learn that "worst recovery" is conservative misdirection for "the economy has gotten better", but we want it to sound bad...while "a mild recession" means it's gotten worse...other recoveries in history have been faster...but, there have been dozens of recessions...

So, yes, you can cherry pick a time of economic growth and say "See, we've declined since this time"...but overall..the conomy is in a growth period at this moment and is larger and more productive than at any time in history.

Politically? Oh sure we have some political disagreements...but nothing compared to oh, I dunno, the civil war? the 1960s? Although, I do tend to agree that we are in political decline at the moment...we suck right now...we have no statesmen...it's all about big money, my side vs. your side, winning...heck, the Republicans even recently admitted that their marching orders at the beginning of Obama's presidency was to oppose everything he wanted, even if they felt it was good for the country...yeah, political decline indeed. When the GOP wins control of the House and their #1 priority is to win more power for their party...we are in a political decline...I'll give you that one, you talked me into it.

Now if GOP refuses to cooperate with the POTUS...is "political decline" a good thing or a bad thing? Would you rather they cooperate?

So, I'm curious as to when you think these good old days were...then we can maybe talk about issues going on during this time...chances are you have either a very romanticized view of a time period before you were born so you haven't actually "seen" this decline, it's just what you've been lead to believe....or you remember it from when you were a child and didn't really know what was going on, but life sure seemed simple and pleasant..

That's not to say everything is all wine and roses today...there are problem...big problems...but there always has been. To say that America today is in decline in all the areas you mention is preposterous...

America--Love it or Leave it,

Well said. This reminds me of a crusty old Senior Chief I met at Norfolk. He was talking to a group and he said, "The Navy ain't what it used to be" He took a short pause for applause and then he says, "And it never was"

People always remember things better than they actually were. Gregg Easterbrook has a book called 'The Progress Paradox" how life gets better but people continually feel worse.


About The Progress Paradox

In The Progress Paradox, Gregg Easterbrook draws upon three decades of wide-ranging research and thinking to make the persuasive assertion that almost all aspects of Western life have vastly improved in the past century–and yet today, most men and women feel less happy than in previous generations.

Detailing the emerging science of “positive psychology,” which seeks to understand what causes a person’s sense of well-being, Easterbrook offers an alternative to our culture of crisis and complaint. He makes a compelling case that optimism, gratitude, and acts of forgiveness not only make modern life more fulfilling but are actually in our self-interest. An affirming and constructive way of seeing life anew, The Progress Paradox will change the way you think about your place in the world–and about our collective ability to make it better.

Absinthe Anecdote
07-09-2015, 06:14 PM
Well said. This reminds me of a crusty old Senior Chief I met at Norfolk. He was talking to a group and he said, "The Navy ain't what it used to be" He took a short pause for applause and then he says, "And it never was"

People always remember things better than they actually were. Gregg Easterbrook has a book called 'The Progress Paradox" how life gets better but people continually feel worse.

I'd much rather live now than anytime during our past.

SomeRandomGuy
07-09-2015, 06:18 PM
I'd much rather live now than anytime during our past.

Same here. I'm constantly jealous of kids now days. Back in my day you actually had to approach a woman to get a date. Now you just download Tinder and swipe left or right. So damn easy!

When I was stationed in Turkey you could order fast food from McDonalds, KFC, Pizza Hut, etc and they would deliver it you. They have that in some big cities in the U.S. That's freaking awesome!

Bos Mutus
07-09-2015, 06:33 PM
The funny thing is how often the source data for both sides of an argument/debate is the SAME data ... Skewed to deliver the desired effect. I agree with you, call it like you see it. i do think it is important to study opinions that counter our own. Only listening to points that reinforce a preconcieved opinion makes us intellectually lazy.

Ha ha! There's another one hitting the conservative blogosphere today...expect Garkhal would be posting it shortly:

Headline: "Poll: 71% of Obama voters regret their vote"

This surprised me because just earlier I looked up his Rasmussen Approval rating of 48% and doing some math in my head, how could his approval rating be that high if 71% of the people who voted for him regret it now?

How it really broke down:

1,000 people polled, separated into Romney voters and Obama voters

396 of the 1,000 polled voted for Obama.

79% of Obama voters said they would vote for him again

Remaining Obama voters: approx. 10% (35 people) would not vote for him again, 11% unsure.

Of the 10% who would not vote for him again (35 of the 1,000 people polled),...they were asked if they regretted their Obama vote....25 said yes. or 71% of the 10% who wouldn't vote for Obama again.

So, this poll asked 1,000 people and found 25 that regretted voting for Obama...but to "honest", they only asked the regret question to the 35 people who said they wouldn't vote for him again, so that's 71% in liar math...good enough since most of their audience will only read the headline and share on social media.

Absinthe Anecdote
07-09-2015, 06:46 PM
Same here. I'm constantly jealous of kids now days. Back in my day you actually had to approach a woman to get a date. Now you just download Tinder and swipe left or right. So damn easy!

When I was stationed in Turkey you could order fast food from McDonalds, KFC, Pizza Hut, etc and they would deliver it you. They have that in some big cities in the U.S. That's freaking awesome!

I have my groceries delivered, it saves a lot of time. I go online shop for what I need and it comes to my door.

Cars are 100 times more durable and reliable than when I first started driving.

Lots of things are way better today than at anytime during our past.

As far as political gridlock goes, that is nothing new. We've always had more than one party vying for power and dominance. That is a good thing if you ask me, because I wouldn't want to live in a country that one party has a total lock on power.

Same goes for political corruption, if anything it was much worse in the past.

Where our country is in decline is economically. It is impossible to remain in a state of perpetual economic growth.

The USA is in a state of decline on the world economic stage primarily due to the rise of economic powers in Asia.

That is totally unrelated to to crap garkhal and Rainmaker are moaning about.

Rainmaker
07-09-2015, 07:13 PM
You mean like that off-brand crap Jim Jones gave his followers? I think it was actually called Flavor-Aid.

Which seems to be the kind the kind of stuff you drink on a regular basis. All of your incoherent conspiracy bullshit and you have the nerve to call Bos Mustus a Kool Aid drinker?


Denial. It ain't just a river in Africa anymore.



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Absinthe Anecdote
07-09-2015, 07:30 PM
Denial. It's ain't just a river in Africa anymore.

And that lame ass Nile River joke never was funny.

Rainmaker
07-09-2015, 07:32 PM
And that lame ass Nile River joke never was funny.


Yes, Anyone that believes this Red/Blue shit-show could possibly be real is living in Denial. You should stick to Vanity Fair and trying to figure out were the boogeyman ISIS gets it funding..

Now, Write this down Absinthe Anecdote ...... Because, you heard it here first...... The Donald will be "POTUS" when the US officially declares bankruptcy.

UncaRastus
07-09-2015, 07:34 PM
Rainmaker, quit sending money to ISIS.

garhkal
07-09-2015, 11:07 PM
The funny thing is how often the source data for both sides of an argument/debate is the SAME data ... Skewed to deliver the desired effect. I agree with you, call it like you see it. i do think it is important to study opinions that counter our own. Only listening to points that reinforce a preconcieved opinion makes us intellectually lazy.

And like i was raised, freedom of speech should be protecting the most outrageous/offensive speech as well as that which is considered 'inoffensive'.. Otherwise we all lose, when people get to dictate what is and is not offensive.


Socially...were we better off socially in 1960s? How about the 1860s? When were we so socially better off?


IMO yes. Back in the 40-60s, we didn't have so many people who were raising kids in single parent households. I didn't hear / see stories of mass shootings in school, or street shootings so often that its now Considered a strange news day to NOT hear of a shooting.
Rapes imo was also a lot less common place..


Economically?...were we better off 5 years ago? 10 years ago? 100 years ago? Just curious, by reading your conservative websites are you under the impression that the "worst recovery in US history" is a very bad thing...and much worse than "a mild recession?"


For me it is worse off now.. I know a number of people who have to have both parents work, sometimes 2 jobs apiece to make ends meet. Never saw that in my dad's time (or my mothers)..


America--Love it or Leave it,


Why should i leave it, if i disapprove of where we are heading? I would much rather stay and try to fix it.


Ha ha! There's another one hitting the conservative blogosphere today...expect Garkhal would be posting it shortly:

Headline: "Poll: 71% of Obama voters regret their vote"

This surprised me because just earlier I looked up his Rasmussen Approval rating of 48% and doing some math in my head, how could his approval rating be that high if 71% of the people who voted for him regret it now?

That's why i never put stock in those sites saying :Voters disapprove/approve" etc.. Too often all they do is poll a few hundred to a few thousand people, all in one area.


I have my groceries delivered, it saves a lot of time. I go online shop for what I need and it comes to my door.

Cars are 100 times more durable and reliable than when I first started driving.

How so? I brought a 79 chrysler newport 2nd hand as my first vehicle. it had almost 280k miles on it, and ran like a champ for 3 more years after i got it. I am already looking to use some of the money i make, to replace the 05 dodge neon i have, as its starting to require more maintenance than the newport required.

Now i will agree, they are more gadgetted out and safer..

Bos Mutus
07-10-2015, 12:21 AM
And like i was raised, freedom of speech should be protecting the most outrageous/offensive speech as well as that which is considered 'inoffensive'.. Otherwise we all lose, when people get to dictate what is and is not offensive.

Inoffensive speech does not need protection.


IMO yes. Back in the 40-60s, we didn't have so many people who were raising kids in single parent households.

The 40s-60s had different problems...not necessarily better ones or worse ones.

Jim Crow laws...racial riots...HS grad rates <50%...polio and tuberculosis maiming and killing 10s of thousands...cold war fear...McCarthyism (which I'm sure some of you thought was wonderful patriotic duty)

Some social historians even point to the 50s...at time when suburbs were expanding as the time when father's were drawn away from the family to work in the city...as the beginning of the deterioration of the American family...women had little options, little jobs skills since technology was devaluing their skill set.


I didn't hear / see stories of mass shootings in school, or street shootings so often that its now Considered a strange news day to NOT hear of a shooting.

"Would it make you feel better if they were thrown out windahs?" ~Archie Bunker

The homicide rate per 100,000 in 1950 was 4.5.... in 2013 it was 4.6

The peak in between was during the glorious 1980s, when it got as high as 10.5%...more than double today.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0873729.html

Your chance of being murdered in 2011 was lower than it was in the late 1950s.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-12-25/news/ct-oped-1225-chapman-20111225_1_golden-age-crime-and-property-crime-homicide-rate

...I'm not cherry-picking years...those are just the years of the sources I've found so far.


Rapes imo was also a lot less common place..


IMO...what we call rape today was extremely common in the 1950s, it just wasn't called rape and wasn't reported. The 1950s was a time of repressive social norms...a raped girl was shamed and outcast.


For me it is worse off now.. I know a number of people who have to have both parents work, sometimes 2 jobs apiece to make ends meet.

Have to or can?


Never saw that in my dad's time (or my mothers)..

Did you Dad and Mom have different times?


Why should i leave it, if i disapprove of where we are heading? I would much rather stay and try to fix it.

That's why i never put stock in those sites saying :Voters disapprove/approve" etc.. Too often all they do is poll a few hundred to a few thousand people, all in one area.

Well, that's good to know. When done honestly and scientifically, polling is pretty accurate and good reliable indicator of public opinion....unfortunately, most often now it is done scientifically, but not honestly.


How so? I brought a 79 chrysler newport 2nd hand as my first vehicle. it had almost 280k miles on it, and ran like a champ for 3 more years after i got it. I am already looking to use some of the money i make, to replace the 05 dodge neon i have, as its starting to require more maintenance than the newport required.

Now i will agree, they are more gadgetted out and safer..

In the 70s, 100K miles was the mark of a long-lasting car...now it is expected cars will get more like 200,000. yes, there were cars in the 70s that got more...but they were the exception. Some cars now come with 100K mile warranties.



...but, I said all that to say this...there are some times better than others...they all have their problems and overall today is actually a lot better than most, it's not the greatest, but not the worst by a long shot.....the 1950s overall were pretty good times, too, but not without problems. The 1960s were highly tumultuous times...

Don't buy into the hype that these are the worst of times and America is falling...bogus fear-mongering....you know what the politicians were saying in the 1950s? Same thing...that's why they were all about outing the commies and putting "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance...they were all afraid that the commies were destroying America....sound familiar?

Pledge of Allegiance...did you know that was written by a socialist? Francis Bellamy--look it up.

Parents in the 50s thought kids were spoiled, wild, lazy...same as their parents before them...and same as today

MikeKerriii
07-10-2015, 04:53 AM
And like i was raised, freedom of speech should be protecting the most outrageous/offensive speech as well as that which is considered 'inoffensive'.. Otherwise we all lose, when people get to dictate what is and is not offensive.



IMO yes. Back in the 40-60s, we didn't have so many people who were raising kids in single parent households. I didn't hear / see stories of mass shootings in school, or street shootings so often that its now Considered a strange news day to NOT hear of a shooting.
Rapes imo was also a lot less common place..



For me it is worse off now.. I know a number of people who have to have both parents work, sometimes 2 jobs apiece to make ends meet. Never saw that in my dad's time (or my mothers)..



Why should i leave it, if i disapprove of where we are heading? I would much rather stay and try to fix it.



That's why i never put stock in those sites saying :Voters disapprove/approve" etc.. Too often all they do is poll a few hundred to a few thousand people, all in one area.



How so? I brought a 79 chrysler newport 2nd hand as my first vehicle. it had almost 280k miles on it, and ran like a champ for 3 more years after i got it. I am already looking to use some of the money i make, to replace the 05 dodge neon i have, as its starting to require more maintenance than the newport required.

Now i will agree, they are more gadgetted out and safer..

Garkal just a simple question. If you were not a white christian male, would you think that the "good old days' were better?

And just a thought, how would the primitive medicine of those days have affected the your chances of even being live, ever had an infection. those used to be routinely deadly in even as late as the 40s. Even in my lifetime I can remember people thinking it impolite to say cancer because Cancer was normally a death sentence. I also clearly remember the clanking to the kid in my classes polio braces.

garhkal
07-10-2015, 05:24 AM
Garkal just a simple question. If you were not a white christian male, would you think that the "good old days' were better?


Maybe.. Maybe not. Since i am a white male (not christian, as i am Agnostic), i can't say what i would have thought..

MikeKerriii
07-10-2015, 05:37 PM
Maybe.. Maybe not. Since i am a white male (not christian, as i am Agnostic), i can't say what i would have thought..

Try putting yurself in the shoes of another, it will likely widen your world. Or just read some books from the Hyperion you admire like "Gentleman's Agreement ' ( the movies is great), "To Kill a Mocking Bird' or 'Black Like Me'n he;; For some great writing read "In The Heat of the Night"

SomeRandomGuy
07-14-2015, 05:52 PM
Saw this on Facebook thought it was hilarious. If you see this it is already too late.....

https://www.facebook.com/HipHopEarly/photos/a.693403260674598.1073741825.150441694970760/1135205833161003/?type=1&theater

Mjölnir
07-14-2015, 06:47 PM
http://starecat.com/content/wp-content/uploads/bill-cosby-snow-white.jpg

USN - Retired
07-15-2015, 05:44 PM
Here's an interesting counter-point...

http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/feminist-governance-feminism/bill-cosbys-victims-or-just-a-bunch-of-drug-whoring-star-fuckers/

Mjölnir
07-15-2015, 09:09 PM
Here's an interesting counter-point...

http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/feminist-governance-feminism/bill-cosbys-victims-or-just-a-bunch-of-drug-whoring-star-fuckers/

I read that article, I think it makes a lot of assumptions on the part of the women involved (not saying that the assumptions don't apply to all of them, but there are A LOT of them and almost all are calling the issue rape.) It is one thing to provide drugs to someone who wants them (which is the main basis of the article) it is entirely different to drug someone so they will not resist. At least the article points out that Cosby has not been convicted of anything (and likely won't be due to the statute of limitations for criminal and civil proceedings.)

The most damning thing to Cosby right now is he admitted years ago in a sworn statement that he procured drugs to provide women he was trying to have sex with and that the stories (some of which are over 11 years old) are very similar. Coincidence? Maybe? Worth being looked at? Yeah.

Rainmaker
07-15-2015, 09:14 PM
I read that article, I think it makes a lot of assumptions on the part of the women involved (not saying that the assumptions don't apply to all of them, but there are A LOT of them and almost all are calling the issue rape.) It is one thing to provide drugs to someone who wants them (which is the main basis of the article) it is entirely different to drug someone so they will not resist. At least the article points out that Cosby has not been convicted of anything (and likely won't be due to the statute of limitations for criminal and civil proceedings.)

The most damning thing to Cosby right now is he admitted years ago in a sworn statement that he procured drugs to provide women he was trying to have sex with.

Does it seem strange to anyone else, that this alleged lifelong serial rapist, would suddenly stop assaulting and drugging women 10 years ago?

Bos Mutus
07-15-2015, 09:49 PM
Does it seem strange to anyone else, that this alleged lifelong serial rapist, would suddenly stop assaulting and drugging women 10 years ago?

About the time he settled the lawsuit? Maybe that wisened him up.

Maybe, he just got old and lost the fire.

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/bill-cosby-tells-jimmy-fallon-about-having-sex-at-age-77/story-e6frfmyi-1227030261191

Rainmaker
07-15-2015, 10:06 PM
About the time he settled the lawsuit? Maybe that wisened him up.

Maybe, he just got old and lost the fire.

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/bill-cosby-tells-jimmy-fallon-about-having-sex-at-age-77/story-e6frfmyi-1227030261191

Cosby could get plenty of pussy without resorting to slipping chicks a Mickey and raping them. A predator that does that is sick and I wouldn't see that they'd just all of a sudden give it up.

Rainmaker's money's on the bitches are lying or Dr. Huxtible is following the script.

Mjölnir
07-15-2015, 10:32 PM
Rainmaker's money's on the bitches are lying or Dr. Huxtible is following the script.

They could be, he could be. To me that seems unlikely (not something I would do.)

MikeKerriii
07-16-2015, 02:01 AM
Cosby could get plenty of pussy without resorting to slipping chicks a Mickey and raping them. A predator that does that is sick and I wouldn't see that they'd just all of a sudden give it up.

Rainmaker's money's on the bitches are lying or Dr. Huxtible is following the script.

Or he has lost the ability, even with a blue pill.

Rainmaker
07-20-2015, 10:11 PM
They could be, he could be. To me that seems unlikely (not something I would do.)

So Now apparently Cosby told the truth in his "recently revealed sworn deposition" from 2005..... So, then after living a lie for 30 years, we're supposed to believe that this predator serial rapist, suddenly couldn't tell a lie anymore?

Wow! They must've had Dr. Huxtable in Wonder-woman's Golden lasso of truth.... He just couldn't resist incriminating himself (Even with his lawyer sitting right there) .