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garhkal
10-03-2014, 09:45 PM
Since we now have our first case (possibly of many) of someone in the States having the Ebola virus who came from the infected zone in Africa, why is it we still are seeing flights in and out of that zone? With the thousands of troops going over, along with all the journalists and others (legal and illegal immigrants and refugees), how can anyone say we won't get MORE of a spread here?

Also, in several films on viruses (such as Outbreak) we see bodies getting burned, to stop the virus being spread when they die. So why are those in Libera, Seria Leone etc, burying the bodies?? Is there something about burying them that prevents their bodily fluids leaking into the water table?

sandsjames
10-03-2014, 11:27 PM
Since we now have our first case (possibly of many) of someone in the States having the Ebola virus who came from the infected zone in Africa, why is it we still are seeing flights in and out of that zone? With the thousands of troops going over, along with all the journalists and others (legal and illegal immigrants and refugees), how can anyone say we won't get MORE of a spread here?

Also, in several films on viruses (such as Outbreak) we see bodies getting burned, to stop the virus being spread when they die. So why are those in Libera, Seria Leone etc, burying the bodies?? Is there something about burying them that prevents their bodily fluids leaking into the water table?

I think it's because "they" fell that it's still under control and not a major threat. Whether right or wrong, that's my only guess.

garhkal
10-04-2014, 01:50 AM
And how many need to contract it for it to become a major threat?
And if its NOT a major threat, why are so many troops being sent over to squash it?

Rainmaker
10-04-2014, 03:06 PM
Since we now have our first case (possibly of many) of someone in the States having the Ebola virus who came from the infected zone in Africa, why is it we still are seeing flights in and out of that zone? With the thousands of troops going over, along with all the journalists and others (legal and illegal immigrants and refugees), how can anyone say we won't get MORE of a spread here?

Also, in several films on viruses (such as Outbreak) we see bodies getting burned, to stop the virus being spread when they die. So why are those in Libera, Seria Leone etc, burying the bodies?? Is there something about burying them that prevents their bodily fluids leaking into the water table?

3 possible reasons
1: They are trying to prevent panic.
2. Mass quarantine of Africans is not Politically correct.
3. It's overblown and they are fear mongering to take your attention away from how bad you're being fleeced.
Rainmaker betting on 1. Based on the Track Record. Anytime they tell you not to worry. you should start planning. plan on being locked up in your house for 21 days at the barrel of a gun. If you like your Hemorrhagic fever than you can keep your Hemorrhagic fever

http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/local/dallas-county/2014/10/03/ebola-cleanup-dallas-case-apartment/16651539/
coming soon to a suburb near you. Section 8 Ebola-Americans

Rainmaker
10-05-2014, 07:00 PM
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/have-faa-ban-all-incoming-and-outgoing-flights-ebola-stricken-countries-until-ebola-outbreak/FFJHH9yX

garhkal
10-05-2014, 11:31 PM
Signed the petition.

Capt Alfredo
10-09-2014, 01:15 AM
How do you define "Ebola-stricken"?

Rainmaker
10-09-2014, 01:46 PM
How do you define "Ebola-stricken"?


stricken
[strik′ən]

Use stricken in a sentence
adjective

The definition of stricken is afflicted or affected by an unpleasant truth, undesirable feeling or bad medical condition, or a look of great distress.

When you are overcome with having the flu, this is an example of a time when you are stricken.
When you are overcome with grief and sadness, this is an example of a time when you are stricken.

O'Bola: "Change We Can Bereave In".

Stalwart
10-09-2014, 03:32 PM
Well this was interesting:

http://s4.firstpost.in/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/EbolaSandsculpture-photopos.jpg

MitchellJD1969
10-09-2014, 03:38 PM
Well this was interesting:

http://s4.firstpost.in/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/EbolaSandsculpture-photopos.jpg

Sorta reminds me of hashtag diplomacy....#stopebolapls

Capt Alfredo
10-09-2014, 04:37 PM
stricken
[strik′ən]

Use stricken in a sentence
adjective

The definition of stricken is afflicted or affected by an unpleasant truth, undesirable feeling or bad medical condition, or a look of great distress.

When you are overcome with having the flu, this is an example of a time when you are stricken.
When you are overcome with grief and sadness, this is an example of a time when you are stricken.

O'Bola: "Change We Can Bereave In".

My point is that if you're saying any country where someone has been noted as having Ebola, you wouldn't be able to fly in or out of the United States, which would make this the dumbest petition ever.

Rainmaker
10-09-2014, 04:52 PM
My point is that if you're saying any country where someone has been noted as having Ebola, you wouldn't be able to fly in or out of the United States, which would make this the dumbest petition ever.

At last count something like 9,000 people in Liberia have been diagnosed with the virus. So, Seems like the responsible thing to do would be to halt the primary vector (air travel). Until it's either contained or we know what exacly we're dealing with. But, our government and Peace prize President care more about PR in the "global community" than their responsibility to the American Citizens they are supposed to represent. Now, Rainmaker pray that you're correct and this is all overblown. Because, if not and this thing starts spreading, the country will descend into chaos.

Capt Alfredo
10-09-2014, 04:58 PM
At last count something like 9,000 people in Liberia have been diagnosed with the virus. So, Seems like the responsible thing to do would be to halt the primary vector (air travel). Until it's either contained or we know what exacly we're dealing with. But, our government and Peace prize President care more about PR in the "global community" than their responsibility to the American Citizens they are supposed to represent. Now, Rainmaker pray that you're correct and this is all overblown. Because, if not and this thing starts spreading, the country will descend into chaos.

I'm not saying it isn't a good idea to limit travel between places where Ebola is rampant and where it's not. I'm saying the wording of the petition is poorly conceived. And not everything has to be a slam on the president.

Rainmaker
10-09-2014, 05:54 PM
I'm not saying it isn't a good idea to limit travel between places where Ebola is rampant and where it's not. I'm saying the wording of the petition is poorly conceived. And not everything has to be a slam on the president.

and not every criticism of the president is a racist right wing conspiracy either. And Yes the Rhinos (like McCain and Graham and Rubio etc. ) that continually stand by and go along with this importation of all the Illegal Aliens they can get over the border and use them to open the door to Death in America, in order to suppress wages and increase corporate profits are just as responsible for abdicating their duty as the opposition party to hold this administration to account. But, The fish rots from the head and it's high-time for him to go.

LogDog
10-09-2014, 06:07 PM
At last count something like 9,000 people in Liberia have been diagnosed with the virus. So, Seems like the responsible thing to do would be to halt the primary vector (air travel). Until it's either contained or we know what exacly we're dealing with. But, our government and Peace prize President care more about PR in the "global community" than their responsibility to the American Citizens they are supposed to represent. Now, Rainmaker pray that you're correct and this is all overblown. Because, if not and this thing starts spreading, the country will descend into chaos.
So if we follow your advice and prevent anyone from that area from coming into the U.S. then the 3,000 plus U.S. troop being deployed there wouldn't be able to return home nor would CDC personnel or U.S. citizens with civilian aid organizations be allowed back in.

All your posting is doing is spreading fear through ignorance. We know, on this subject, you have more than enough ignorance to go around but we don't need you bankroll fear and ignorance. If you're that fearful of Ebola in the U.S. then go into your spider hole until it's over.

Rainmaker
10-09-2014, 07:35 PM
So if we follow your advice and prevent anyone from that area from coming into the U.S. then the 3,000 plus U.S. troop being deployed there wouldn't be able to return home nor would CDC personnel or U.S. citizens with civilian aid organizations be allowed back in.

All your posting is doing is spreading fear through ignorance. We know, on this subject, you have more than enough ignorance to go around but we don't need you bankroll fear and ignorance. If you're that fearful of Ebola in the U.S. then go into your spider hole until it's over.

Sure Rainmaker has a big following. But, Wouldn't concern yourself with him posting his opinion starting a panic, so settle down Sparky. Anyhow, Agree Rainmaker's post should be corrected to read "Commercial air travel".

By the way Thomas Eric Duncan was a citizen of Liberia (Not of the United States) and as such has no constitutional right to enter this country. Yet, the Black Racist Agitator (Reverend Jesse Jackson) had to go on a humanitarian mission to Dallas to check it out and make sure Duncan was getting the best treatment he's entitled to by virtue of his blackness. By the way whose paying the tab for Mr. Duncan's medical expenses? Any of you bleeding hearts in here have a guess what the tab was?

Neighboring West African countries borders have been on lockdown since early August and yet the Kenyan in Chief and Globalist Ketchup Heiress Kerry are telling us it would make it worse. Why? Anyhow, troops should not be sent to Africa. but, then again it's just the latest front on the global resource war with the BRICS.

Hopefully, you're all right and this all just a smoke screen to distract us from how shitty everything else is and in a month they'll be patting themselves on the back for keeping a cool head and preventing a contagion (just in time for the election)

LogDog
10-09-2014, 09:32 PM
Sure Rainmaker has a big following. But, Wouldn't concern yourself with him posting his opinion starting a panic, so settle down Sparky. Anyhow, Agree Rainmaker's post should be corrected to read "Commercial air travel".
Yes, you have a big following but if you clean up after yourself the rats will go away


By the way Thomas Eric Duncan was a citizen of Liberia (Not of the United States) and as such has no constitutional right to enter this country. Yet, the Black Racist Agitator (Reverend Jesse Jackson) had to go on a humanitarian mission to Dallas to check it out and make sure Duncan was getting the best treatment he's entitled to by virtue of his blackness. By the way whose paying the tab for Mr. Duncan's medical expenses? Any of you bleeding hearts in here have a guess what the tab was?
Duncan had a valid need to come to this country. If he didn't he wouldn't have been let in.

Now if you had been honest instead of demonizing Jessie Jackson you'd have mentioned the reason he visited Duncan was at the request of Duncan's family.


Neighboring West African countries borders have been on lockdown since early August and yet the Kenyan in Chief and Globalist Ketchup Heiress Kerry are telling us it would make it worse. Why? Anyhow, troops should not be sent to Africa. but, then again it's just the latest front on the global resource war with the BRICS.
Your comments above prove you're an idiot.


Hopefully, you're all right and this all just a smoke screen to distract us from how shitty everything else is and in a month they'll be patting themselves on the back for keeping a cool head and preventing a contagion (just in time for the election)
Hopefully, you'll grow up and be a responsible adult.

TJMAC77SP
10-09-2014, 10:10 PM
Yes, you have a big following but if you clean up after yourself the rats will go away


Duncan had a valid need to come to this country. If he didn't he wouldn't have been let in.

Now if you had been honest instead of demonizing Jessie Jackson you'd have mentioned the reason he visited Duncan was at the request of Duncan's family.


Your comments above prove you're an idiot.


Hopefully, you'll grow up and be a responsible adult.

Putting aside the vitriol used regarding Jesse Jackson's visit to the Duncan family I can't find anything that says he was invited there by him but assuming he was.................why was he invited? How is his visit and input of any value in this situation (or in my opinion any situation but that is just my opinion)?

Logic fails when the only thing used to prove racism is the race of the person involved?

Let's put forward a hypothetical question. In the previous cases, every US citizen who contracted ebola and have received (or are receiving) treatment here in the US are white and all were in Africa rendering aid (or reporting on the crisis). Why hasn't anyone other than white US aid workers contracted the disease? Using the bare facts stated above someone may (without logic whatsoever) surmise that there are no black US citizens on aid missions in Africa.

The shit just gets silly doesn't it?

It would seem without a doubt there was a serious breakdown at the hospital when communicating Duncan's travel history. As with all these cases, let the investigation go on and actually reach factual conclusions.

MitchellJD1969
10-09-2014, 10:47 PM
So if we follow your advice and prevent anyone from that area from coming into the U.S. then the 3,000 plus U.S. troop being deployed there wouldn't be able to return home nor would CDC personnel or U.S. citizens with civilian aid organizations be allowed back in.

All your posting is doing is spreading fear through ignorance. We know, on this subject, you have more than enough ignorance to go around but we don't need you bankroll fear and ignorance. If you're that fearful of Ebola in the U.S. then go into your spider hole until it's over.

Well with about 10 or so people on this forum, I dont know how much fear can be generated.

That being said, I do remember it being said that it was unlikely that ebola would come to the US, but now it has. I really dont think its fear mongering to be concerned about ebola breaking out here. Those traveling from the infected areas should, I believe, be afforded extra scrutiny. To me thats the prudent thing to do...just because of Murphy's Law. If people bitch and whine about it then F them...we should protect ourselves dont you think? Caution and prudence seem to be the correct path to take.

As for the 3000 troops being sent/already there...I can imagine the PR ficasco if or when (hopefully not)a few of them are stricken with ebola while deployed (again, Mr Murphy will have a hand in that.) Some familys are gonna be pretty pissed if and when they find out.

garhkal
10-09-2014, 11:03 PM
At last count something like 9,000 people in Liberia have been diagnosed with the virus. So, Seems like the responsible thing to do would be to halt the primary vector (air travel). Until it's either contained or we know what exacly we're dealing with. But, our government and Peace prize President care more about PR in the "global community" than their responsibility to the American Citizens they are supposed to represent. Now, Rainmaker pray that you're correct and this is all overblown. Because, if not and this thing starts spreading, the country will descend into chaos.

Exactly. When we have something that everyone is labeling an epidemic, the responsible thing to do, as part of quarantining the afflicted, is to halt flights in and out to stop it spreading all over the place.



Let's put forward a hypothetical question. In the previous cases, every US citizen who contracted ebola and have received (or are receiving) treatment here in the US are white and all were in Africa rendering aid (or reporting on the crisis). Why hasn't anyone other than white US aid workers contracted the disease? Using the bare facts stated above someone may (without logic whatsoever) surmise that there are no black US citizens on aid missions in Africa.

Since so far it has proven to be true, all 3 aid workers so far who have show up with the disease that came back were white, i wouldn't consider that a hypothetical question.

USN - Retired
10-09-2014, 11:15 PM
Now, Rainmaker pray that you're correct and this is all overblown. Because, if not and this thing starts spreading, the country will descend into chaos.

That reminds me of the TV show "The Last Ship". When does season two of "The Last Ship" begin?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ec/LastShipSeriesIntertitle.jpg

USN - Retired
10-09-2014, 11:22 PM
What if...

What would have happened if Thomas Duncan had gone to a third world country (Philippines, Mexico, etc) instead of the US after he was infected with the Ebola virus? Would a government in a third world country have been able to contain the Ebola virus? Just askin'.

TJMAC77SP
10-09-2014, 11:57 PM
Exactly. When we have something that everyone is labeling an epidemic, the responsible thing to do, as part of quarantining the afflicted, is to halt flights in and out to stop it spreading all over the place.



Since so far it has proven to be true, all 3 aid workers so far who have show up with the disease that came back were white, i wouldn't consider that a hypothetical question.

It is a hypothetical question in that given the small numbers and absent any other factors it is an irrelevant fact of the situation. My point is that jumping to these kinds of conclusions has become the norm. Opinions like this once resided in the blogs of those on the far ends of society's thinking. Now they are reported and pursued ad nauseam until they become proven facts in the minds of the public. You have major news outlets reporting as fact, prior to confirmation, tweets and other tripe from social media and blogs like Perez Hilton. A nasty side effect of all-news outlets that have to fill 24 schedules with anything they can and also fight to be first to break a story.

During a 2009 interview of Sarah Palin, Barbara Walters brought up the subject of the famous "I can see Russia from my backyard" line. Viewers who didn't know better were left with the impression that Palin actually said that line. Perhaps Walters does not watch SNL.

Sorry..............went off on a frapping tangent there. So sick and tired of the polarization it is beyond belief.

Rainmaker
10-10-2014, 03:36 AM
Yes, you have a big following but if you clean up after yourself the rats will go away


Duncan had a valid need to come to this country. If he didn't he wouldn't have been let in.

Now if you had been honest instead of demonizing Jessie Jackson you'd have mentioned the reason he visited Duncan was at the request of Duncan's family.


Your comments above prove you're an idiot.


Hopefully, you'll grow up and be a responsible adult.

Please excuse this "idiot" for Trying to follow your logical argument.

So, because he had a valid need, He was allowed to violate the laws of this country and knowingly expose dozens (if not hundreds) of people to a contagious virus that could kill them? It must make alll those people that were exposed to this criminal feel better knowing that he needed to be let in.

http://www.necn.com/news/new-england/Connecticut-Governor-Declares-State-of-Emergency-Over-Ebola-as-a-Precaution-278380851.html

speaking of rats. They're (rightly) jumping off Big O's sinking ship.

Any American that continues to vote for these lunatics must have Stockholm syndrome.

MikeKerriii
10-10-2014, 04:55 AM
And how many need to contract it for it to become a major threat?
And if its NOT a major threat, why are so many troops being sent over to squash it?

Troops are being sent to keep it from killing people without decent public health support by the hundreds of thousands , It will never be a major threat in the US since it is not all tat contagious, If is only realty dangerous to societies that are only barely getting by,

It is not a real nasty mass-killer like Influenza, TB or Malaria.

More people (7-11) will likely catch and the Bubonic Plague in the US this year than from Ebola, the ordinary flu will kill by the thousands . We have the resources to do a great del of good at a relatively low cost

Capt Alfredo
10-10-2014, 05:32 AM
and not every criticism of the president is a racist right wing conspiracy either. And Yes the Rhinos (like McCain and Graham and Rubio etc. ) that continually stand by and go along with this importation of all the Illegal Aliens they can get over the border and use them to open the door to Death in America, in order to suppress wages and increase corporate profits are just as responsible for abdicating their duty as the opposition party to hold this administration to account. But, The fish rots from the head and it's high-time for him to go.

True, not every criticism, or even most criticisms are racially-based. But plenty are. You'll get your wish in about two years. Just be careful what you ask for, because you just might get it.

garhkal
10-10-2014, 07:18 AM
What if...

What would have happened if Thomas Duncan had gone to a third world country (Philippines, Mexico, etc) instead of the US after he was infected with the Ebola virus? Would a government in a third world country have been able to contain the Ebola virus? Just askin'.

Well Mexico has proven they are not even capable of preventing illegals crossing through their nation. So i doubt it.


Troops are being sent to keep it from killing people without decent public health support by the hundreds of thousands , It will never be a major threat in the US since it is not all tat contagious, If is only realty dangerous to societies that are only barely getting by,

It is not a real nasty mass-killer like Influenza, TB or Malaria.

More people (7-11) will likely catch and the Bubonic Plague in the US this year than from Ebola, the ordinary flu will kill by the thousands . We have the resources to do a great del of good at a relatively low cost

Tell that to Spain.

TJMAC77SP
10-10-2014, 02:05 PM
Troops are being sent to keep it from killing people without decent public health support by the hundreds of thousands , It will never be a major threat in the US since it is not all tat contagious, If is only realty dangerous to societies that are only barely getting by,

It is not a real nasty mass-killer like Influenza, TB or Malaria.

More people (7-11) will likely catch and the Bubonic Plague in the US this year than from Ebola, the ordinary flu will kill by the thousands . We have the resources to do a great del of good at a relatively low cost

Troops are being sent because it IS a major potential threat to the US. If we wait until the threat is imminent we lose.

Your comparison to bubonic plague, influenza and TB is faulty in that all those ailments are already here. That argument will evaporate if measures aren't taken and ebola gets truly into the US.

You can't win an argument by simply dismissing it.

MikeKerriii
10-10-2014, 05:00 PM
Troops are being sent because it IS a major potential threat to the US. If we wait until the threat is imminent we lose.

Your comparison to bubonic plague, influenza and TB is faulty in that all those ailments are already here. That argument will evaporate if measures aren't taken and ebola gets truly into the US.

You can't win an argument by simply dismissing it.

It is not a serous threat to the US, it is a far less serous threat than diseases that we accept as part of day to day life,

Selling it as a major threat sells advertising and creates profitable fear but that doesn't make it a serous threat

LogDog
10-10-2014, 05:36 PM
Putting aside the vitriol used regarding Jesse Jackson's visit to the Duncan family I can't find anything that says he was invited there by him but assuming he was.................why was he invited? How is his visit and input of any value in this situation (or in my opinion any situation but that is just my opinion)?

Logic fails when the only thing used to prove racism is the race of the person involved?

Let's put forward a hypothetical question. In the previous cases, every US citizen who contracted ebola and have received (or are receiving) treatment here in the US are white and all were in Africa rendering aid (or reporting on the crisis). Why hasn't anyone other than white US aid workers contracted the disease? Using the bare facts stated above someone may (without logic whatsoever) surmise that there are no black US citizens on aid missions in Africa.

The shit just gets silly doesn't it?

It would seem without a doubt there was a serious breakdown at the hospital when communicating Duncan's travel history. As with all these cases, let the investigation go on and actually reach factual conclusions.
Duncan's family requested Jackson visit the hospital to ensure he received the best care possible.

Jackson arrived in the Texas city on Tuesday after a request for help from Duncan's family.

"Thomas deserves the love and the best medical treatment America can afford as has happened for all the other Americans who have contracted this terrible disease," the civil rights activist told Fox News.

"He must be treated as a patient with all the human rights deserved, not as a criminal."

He reiterated his point on Twitter, posting that the patient should "not be shunned" and urging medics to "kill the disease and not the person".
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/jesse-jackson-visits-infected-ebola-patient-thomas-eric-duncan-in-dallas-to-ensure-doctors-kill-the-disease-and-not-the-person-9782134.html

As for only white aid workers contracting the virus who knows why? To determine the reason you'd have to review the work they were doing, the protections they had available, and a myriad of other facts to determine why. Rather than speculating, we need facts to determine the reason(s).

Yes, there was a communication breakdown at the hospital. Hopefully, they and other hospitals will learn from it and make the necessary corrections to their procedures when dealing with patients who present themselves with Ebola-like symptoms.

LogDog
10-10-2014, 05:40 PM
Please excuse this "idiot" for Trying to follow your logical argument.

So, because he had a valid need, He was allowed to violate the laws of this country and knowingly expose dozens (if not hundreds) of people to a contagious virus that could kill them? It must make alll those people that were exposed to this criminal feel better knowing that he needed to be let in.

http://www.necn.com/news/new-england/Connecticut-Governor-Declares-State-of-Emergency-Over-Ebola-as-a-Precaution-278380851.html
What laws of this country did he violate? Please be specific.

As for the governor declaring an Ebola emergency, that's more of a political move than anything else considering he's running for reelection.

speaking of rats. They're (rightly) jumping off Big O's sinking ship.

Any American that continues to vote for these lunatics must have Stockholm syndrome.
Taking advice from you is like a suicidal person on a bridge taking advice from someone telling him to jump.

MikeKerriii
10-10-2014, 05:43 PM
Tell that to Spain. Spain altready knows thios, thier medie is not wotking full time to scare people who don'thave a clue like US media is

.One death doesn't make a crisis.

LogDog
10-10-2014, 05:46 PM
Troops are being sent because it IS a major potential threat to the US. If we wait until the threat is imminent we lose.

Your comparison to bubonic plague, influenza and TB is faulty in that all those ailments are already here. That argument will evaporate if measures aren't taken and ebola gets truly into the US.

You can't win an argument by simply dismissing it.
U.S. troops are being sent there on a medical humanitarian mission to help stem the spread of the disease.

Capt Alfredo
10-10-2014, 06:46 PM
Tell that to Spain.

So tell us how many people in Spain have died of Ebola as of this posting...oh yeah, zero. How many cases have they ID'd? One.

TJMAC77SP
10-10-2014, 08:15 PM
Duncan's family requested Jackson visit the hospital to ensure he received the best care possible.

Thanks, couldn't find a news story which said that. Of course it doesn't answer my question of why?


As for only white aid workers contracting the virus who knows why? To determine the reason you'd have to review the work they were doing, the protections they had available, and a myriad of other facts to determine why. Rather than speculating, we need facts to determine the reason(s).

Yes, there was a communication breakdown at the hospital. Hopefully, they and other hospitals will learn from it and make the necessary corrections to their procedures when dealing with patients who present themselves with Ebola-like symptoms.

Did you read my post? Did you catch that my hypothetical question or assertion was to make exactly the point you just repeated?

A point that Jesse Jackson (and the ilk) obviously doesn't get.

TJMAC77SP
10-10-2014, 08:26 PM
U.S. troops are being sent there on a medical humanitarian mission to help stem the spread of the disease.

From the fact sheet issued by the WH.........."As the President has stated, the Ebola epidemic in West Africa and the humanitarian crisis there is a top national security priority for the United States. ..."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/09/16/fact-sheet-us-response-ebola-epidemic-west-africa

From Rueters............."President Barack Obama on Tuesday called West Africa's deadly Ebola outbreak a looming threat to global security and announced a major expansion of the U.S. role in trying to halt its spread, including deployment of 3,000 troops to the region."The reality is that this epidemic is going to get worse before it gets better," Obama said at the Atlanta headquarters of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)."......

.....""This is an epidemic that is not just a threat to regional security. It’s a potential threat to global security, if these countries break down, if their economies break down, if people panic. That has profound effects on all of us, even if we are not directly contracting the disease," Obama added."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/16/us-health-ebola-obama-idUSKBN0HB08S20140916

While I wouldn't argue that there are humanitarian aspects to the deployment for the life of me I can't figure out why it seems an anathema to some to say that it is related to national security and that ebola is actually a real threat. That doesn't make the efforts dirty or shameful.

The administration seems to think its a threat,,,,,now.

"Ebola poses a threat equivalent to AIDS and will become just as deadly without further action, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) Director Tom Frieden said Thursday.

The remark is part of a marked increase in the intensity of warnings about Ebola from Frieden, the Obama administration's point man in communicating to the public about the virus."

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/220269-cdc-ebola-poses-threat-like-aids

sandsjames
10-10-2014, 08:36 PM
"Ebola poses a threat equivalent to AIDS and will become just as deadly without further action, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) Director Tom Frieden said Thursday.

I hope it's a threat equivalent to AIDS. That means I have nothing to be concerned with.

Do you remember the fear of AIDS and how it was spread when it first became public in the '80s? I was watching an old Eddie Murphy show the other day and he was talking about it in his routine. The misconceptions that were highly popular then about AIDS are the same stuff we're hearing about Ebola.

TJMAC77SP
10-10-2014, 08:54 PM
I hope it's a threat equivalent to AIDS. That means I have nothing to be concerned with.

Do you remember the fear of AIDS and how it was spread when it first became public in the '80s? I was watching an old Eddie Murphy show the other day and he was talking about it in his routine. The misconceptions that were highly popular then about AIDS are the same stuff we're hearing about Ebola.

I don't think he was referring to the false information put out about AIDS.

He was probably thinking of these stats from his own organization.............

CDC estimates that 1,144,500 persons aged 13 years and older are living with HIV infection, including 180,900 (15.8%) who are unaware of their infection1 (http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/statistics/basics/ataglance.html#ref1). Over the past decade, the number of people living with HIV has increased, while the annual number of new HIV infections has remained relatively stable. Still, the pace of new infections continues at far too high a level— particularly among certain groups.

HIV Incidence (new infections): The estimated incidence of HIV has remained stable overall in recent years, at about 50,000 new HIV infections per year2 (http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/statistics/basics/ataglance.html#ref2). Within the overall estimates, however, some groups are affected more than others. MSM continue to bear the greatest burden of HIV infection, and among races/ethnicities, African Americans continue to be disproportionately affected.

HIV Diagnoses (new diagnoses, regardless of when infection occurred): In 2011, an estimated 49,273 people were diagnosed with HIV infection in the United States. In that same year, an estimated 32,052 people were diagnosed with AIDS. Overall, an estimated 1,155,792 people in the United States have been diagnosed with AIDS3 (http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/statistics/basics/ataglance.html#ref3).

Deaths: An estimated 15,529 people with an AIDS diagnosis died in 2010, and approximately 636,000 people in the United States with an AIDS diagnosis have overall3 (http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/statistics/basics/ataglance.html#ref3). The deaths of persons with an AIDS diagnosis can be due to any cause—that is, the death may or may not be related to AIDS.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/statistics/basics/ataglance.html


Surely you weren't suggesting that my assertion is that we are looking at the zombie apocalypse (I am not) but I can't support burying our heads in the sand either (which is pretty much what happened at the beginning of the AIDS crisis.........."only gays can get it". That and my point was to counter the specious claim that ebola does not present a threat in the US.

I also wouldn't be 100% comfortable with believing there is no way you could become HIV positive.

sandsjames
10-10-2014, 09:12 PM
Surely you weren't suggesting that my assertion is that we are looking at the zombie apocalypse (I am not) but I can't support burying our heads in the sand either (which is pretty much what happened at the beginning of the AIDS crisis.........."only gays can get it". That and my point was to counter the specious claim that ebola does not present a threat in the US. Not burying heads in the sand, for sure. But I also don't need daily updates on whether or not Joanne in Fargo contracted it. Again, it's nothing more than fear mongering.


I also wouldn't be 100% comfortable with believing there is no way you could become HIV positive.I am 100% comfortable. Not saying what you should or should be, but I am.

garhkal
10-10-2014, 09:46 PM
So tell us how many people in Spain have died of Ebola as of this posting...oh yeah, zero. How many cases have they ID'd? One.

With quite a few under watch.

TJMAC77SP
10-10-2014, 09:54 PM
Not burying heads in the sand, for sure. But I also don't need daily updates on whether or not Joanne in Fargo contracted it. Again, it's nothing more than fear mongering.

I feel that way every day about some story I see on the news.




I am 100% comfortable. Not saying what you should or should be, but I am.

Ok, perhaps I have read more on it. I am very comfortable with the low chances of contracting the virus as I haven't received any donated blood but to say 100%....as I said, ok.

Rainmaker
10-11-2014, 01:12 AM
What laws of this country did he violate? Please be specific.

As for the governor declaring an Ebola emergency, that's more of a political move than anything else considering he's running for reelection.

Taking advice from you is like a suicidal person on a bridge taking advice from someone telling him to jump.

Falsifying official declarations and Aggravated assault (for knowingly exposing others to a virus that could kill them). What Anderson Cooper won't tell you is that Mr. Duncan hadn't seen his "Fiancee" in over 12 years and this was his first trip ever to the US. find it pretty hard to believe he didn't know he'd been exposed. wonder who paid for his ticket?

If you're correct that the governor of Connecticut is just playing politics (with something as serious as this) by setting the stage for martial law, Then he's a psychopath and he should be dragged out of the people's house and tarred and feathered. You're probably right though and it's just the latest part of his gun grabbing agenda.

CDR USSOUTHCOM seems pretty concerned though. Maybe you think he's fear mongering?

http://news.usni.org/2014/10/07/southcom-commander-ebola-outbreak-central-america-haiti-nightmare-scenario

http://www.keysnet.com/2014/10/10/499125_southcom-general-issues-dire-ebola.html?&rh=1

so 15 years after 9/11 and we're fleecing the taxpayer to a tune $1.5Trillion a year, and turning the country into a police state in order to keep them safe from Terrorists. yet the southern border is still unsecured. Criminal. And Thank God for the USMC. The only branch were the Generals still act like Generals and not Castrated Politically Correct Eunuchs

Rainmaker
10-11-2014, 01:16 AM
Spain altready knows thios, thier medie is not wotking full time to scare people who don'thave a clue like US media is

.One death doesn't make a crisis.
Agree. probably Not a big deal. UNLESS you happen to be the ONE that has it. It didn't have to happen. What exactly do you consider an acceptable number of cases in the west before this would be considered a crisis worthy of stopping all commercial air traffic out of the affected countries? 10, 20 or maybe 100 or 1000?

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimate 1.4 million people will be infected with Ebola by the end of the year. Of those, 62 percent will likely die.

Rainmaker understand that Ebola is a terrible way to die. Here's hoping no one else in this country winds up dead laying in a pool of their own bloody shit.

LogDog
10-11-2014, 01:43 AM
Falsifying official declarations and Aggravated assault (for knowingly exposing others to a virus that could kill them). What Anderson Cooper won't tell you is that Mr. Duncan hadn't seen his "Fiancee" in over 12 years and this was his first trip ever to the US. find it pretty hard to believe he didn't know he'd been exposed.
I'm not a lawyer and I doubt you're a lawyer and I think I'd be safe in saying no legitimate prosecutor, federal or state, could stretch the meaning of any law to bring charges against Duncan for falsifying official declarations and aggravated assault. I've never been asked health questions when I returned to the U.S. so the falsifying official declarations is nonsense. As for aggravated assault, he'd have to have known he was infected and purposely spread the disease. Again, there's not proof he did that. You don't prosecute people just because they're sick.


If the governor of Connecticut is playing politics by setting the stage for martial law. then he's a psychopath and should be dragged out of the peoples house and tarred and feathered. You're probably right and it's just part of his gun grabbing agenda.

CDR USSOUTHCOM seems concerned though. Maybe you think he's fear mongering?

http://news.usni.org/2014/10/07/southcom-commander-ebola-outbreak-central-america-haiti-nightmare-scenario

http://www.keysnet.com/2014/10/10/499125_southcom-general-issues-dire-ebola.html?&rh=1
Yet, he's doing less to scare people than you have been doing here on these forums. Oh, the irony.


so 15 years after 9/11 and we're fleecing the taxpayer to a tune $1.5Trillion a year, and turning the country into a police state in order to keep them safe. yet the southern border is still unsecured. Criminal. And Thank God for the USMC. The only branch were the Generals still act like Generals and not Castrated Politically Correct Eunuchs
More hyperbole base in ignorance than fact.

TJMAC77SP
10-11-2014, 02:18 AM
I'm not a lawyer and I doubt you're a lawyer and I think I'd be safe in saying no legitimate prosecutor, federal or state, could stretch the meaning of any law to bring charges against Duncan for falsifying official declarations and aggravated assault. I've never been asked health questions when I returned to the U.S. so the falsifying official declarations is nonsense. As for aggravated assault, he'd have to have known he was infected and purposely spread the disease. Again, there's not proof he did that. You don't prosecute people just because they're sick.



Obviously OBE but................"Dallas County prosecutor considering criminal charges against Ebola patient in Texas"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/10/07/dallas-county-prosecutor-considering-criminal-charges-against-ebola-patient-in-texas/

It wasn't about lying about being infected, it was lying about being in contact with infected person(s). At this point that is Liberia's claim. Not sure what questions he was asked when he entered this country but it wouldn't have been "are you infected with Ebola".

Rainmaker
10-11-2014, 02:29 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/1996/08/18/weekinreview/was-the-plague-of-athens-really-ebola.html


Came across a pretty Interesting article from a couple of decades ago.

Hoping the source is kosher with log dog and the rest of the gang...

LogDog
10-11-2014, 03:36 AM
Obviously OBE but................"Dallas County prosecutor considering criminal charges against Ebola patient in Texas"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/10/07/dallas-county-prosecutor-considering-criminal-charges-against-ebola-patient-in-texas/

It wasn't about lying about being infected, it was lying about being in contact with infected person(s). At this point that is Liberia's claim. Not sure what questions he was asked when he entered this country but it wouldn't have been "are you infected with Ebola".
Yes, he lied to Liberian officials but I've seen no evidence he lied to U.S. officials.

As your link states, the Dallas prosecutors office is looking into charges against Duncan for aggravated assault but they'd have to prove he purposely tried to infect others and that is where they'd have their hardest time in bringing charges; proving intent.

Since Duncan has died, I doubt they'll pursue the issue any further.

LogDog
10-11-2014, 03:39 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/1996/08/18/weekinreview/was-the-plague-of-athens-really-ebola.html


Came across a pretty Interesting article from a couple of decades ago.

Hoping the source is kosher with log dog and the rest of the gang...
Source is okay but you neglected to note this from the link.


Dr. Morens and his colleague at the University of Hawaii, Robert J. Littman, a classics professor, focus not on symptoms (which they consider unreliable evidence) but on place and time. For example, they note that the length of the Athenian plague, five years, would rule out a virus like influenza, which lasts only months. And the origin of the Athenian plague, Africa, would rule out a virulent disease like Ebola. In the ancient world, they point out, there was no means of transportation that could convey a virus-carrying monkey from Africa to Athens in less than a week. That is, by the time the boat made it to Greece, both the monkeys and their keepers would likely have died.
Nice try.

Rainmaker
10-11-2014, 03:51 AM
Yes, he lied to Liberian officials but I've seen no evidence he lied to U.S. officials.

As your link states, the Dallas prosecutors office is looking into charges against Duncan for aggravated assault but they'd have to prove he purposely tried to infect others and that is where they'd have their hardest time in bringing charges; proving intent.

Since Duncan has died, I doubt they'll pursue the issue any further.

He started his post with "Obviously OBE" didn't he?

Rainmaker
10-11-2014, 03:56 AM
Source is okay but you neglected to note this from the link.


Nice try.

Nice try? What? You didn't think it was an interesting article? or Is there some requirement to clear every post through you to ensure we're not scaring people on the forum and creating a panic?

LogDog
10-11-2014, 04:26 AM
Nice try? What? You didn't think it was an interesting article? or Is there some requirement to clear every post through you to ensure we're not scaring people on the forum and creating a panic?
Interesting but not really relevant.
I don't know where your paranoia came from thinking I or anyone else has to approve your source or posts but I can see how it has influenced your fears.

As for your article from back in 1996, it reported some medical researchers think the Athens plague from 2,340 years ago was caused by the Ebola virus. However, if you had read the article you have see other medical researchers discounted the theory because because the people and animals arriving from Africa would have died before arriving in Athens. The translation of the symptoms might suggest smallpox. Also, they asked if it was Ebola, then why did it disappear for 2,400 years?

Other than speculating from 18 years ago when little was known about Ebola, I really don't see the significance of the article. It doesn't provide facts, just suppositions.

TJMAC77SP
10-11-2014, 05:25 AM
He started his post with "Obviously OBE" didn't he?

Yeah, I did.................

Rainmaker
10-11-2014, 06:57 AM
Interesting but not really relevant.
I don't know where your paranoia came from thinking I or anyone else has to approve your source or posts but I can see how it has influenced your fears.

As for your article from back in 1996, it reported some medical researchers think the Athens plague from 2,340 years ago was caused by the Ebola virus. However, if you had read the article you have see other medical researchers discounted the theory because because the people and animals arriving from Africa would have died before arriving in Athens. The translation of the symptoms might suggest smallpox. Also, they asked if it was Ebola, then why did it disappear for 2,400 years?

Other than speculating from 18 years ago when little was known about Ebola, I really don't see the significance of the article. It doesn't provide facts, just suppositions.

Rainmaker Wasn't speculating or quoting the article as a source. It's only a forum post, not a senior thesis. He said he found the article interesting. If you ain't interested than what's the issue? You just butt hurt cause you don't think it's relevant? If it's in the wrong place, than the mods can move it.

Plenty was known about Ebola 18 years ago. They've been trying to cure it since the 70's. just cause your dumb ass never heard of it, doesn't mean it didn't exist

LogDog
10-11-2014, 06:15 PM
Rainmaker Wasn't speculating or quoting the article as a source. It's only a forum post, not a senior thesis. He said he found the article interesting. If you ain't interested than what's the issue? You just butt hurt cause you don't think it's relevant? If it's in the wrong place, than the mods can move it.

Plenty was known about Ebola 18 years ago. They've been trying to cure it since the 70's. just cause your dumb ass never heard of it, doesn't mean it didn't exist
It was the article that was speculating about Ebola 18 years ago. Yes, I had heard of it back then and like most people at that time I knew it had a high fatality rate. What wasn't publicly well known was the cause of the infection or how it was transmitted from animals to people and from people to other people. We've learned much in the last 18 years about Ebola and although it is a serious disease we don't have to be scared of it as you've tried to portray it.

If calling me a dumb ass is the best you have then you need to do better than that. Care to give it another try?

garhkal
10-11-2014, 09:48 PM
To try and steer things back on track. What do you guys think should happen to that dumb ass who cried he had Ebola on that Delta flight?
Should he be treated the same as someone claiming they have a bomb?
Should he be made to pay for the costs of those workers who came in, in their suits?

LogDog
10-11-2014, 10:53 PM
To try and steer things back on track. What do you guys think should happen to that dumb ass who cried he had Ebola on that Delta flight?
Should he be treated the same as someone claiming they have a bomb?
Should he be made to pay for the costs of those workers who came in, in their suits?
I'm sure there is a law against disrupting a flight and if there are then he should face the charges in a court of law.

Yes, he is a dumb ass for making the comments and if he is tried I doubt he'll get any jail-time. Most likely a hefty fine.

efmbman
10-12-2014, 04:20 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/texas-health-care-worker-tests-positive-ebola/story?id=26135108

So... the hospital in Texas did not follow protocols for handling Ebola patients. One of the staff at the hospital tested positive. The plot thickens.

TJMAC77SP
10-12-2014, 04:36 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/texas-health-care-worker-tests-positive-ebola/story?id=26135108

So... the hospital in Texas did not follow protocols for handling Ebola patients. One of the staff at the hospital tested positive. The plot thickens.

But I thought Ebola was difficult to contract?

efmbman
10-12-2014, 05:46 PM
But I thought Ebola was difficult to contract?

I heard that, too. I also heard the one about how they were going to "stop Ebola in its tracks". They are looking at this as a system. Unfortunately, they always leave out the largest variable in every system: human error. If humans are involved, there is a chance of error.

LogDog
10-12-2014, 07:02 PM
But I thought Ebola was difficult to contract?
Any disease is easy to contract if you don't take precautions. The basic transmission between humans is coming in contact with bodily fluids of an infected person.

I'd like to see the report on how this happened. Did the health care worker fully follow the hospital protocols? I'd also like to know if they had to go through some form of decontamination procedure when they de-gowned. Having been on a BW/CW decontamination team, many, many years ago, I know there is a specific procedure for decontamination including how you remove your chem gear. If the hospital had a similar procedure it's possible this is where the hospital worker became infected.

TJMAC77SP
10-12-2014, 07:46 PM
Any disease is easy to contract if you don't take precautions. The basic transmission between humans is coming in contact with bodily fluids of an infected person.

I'd like to see the report on how this happened. Did the health care worker fully follow the hospital protocols? I'd also like to know if they had to go through some form of decontamination procedure when they de-gowned. Having been on a BW/CW decontamination team, many, many years ago, I know there is a specific procedure for decontamination including how you remove your chem gear. If the hospital had a similar procedure it's possible this is where the hospital worker became infected.

I am familiar with Universal Precautions and am also waiting to hear about how this could have happened.

Stalwart
10-13-2014, 12:23 PM
What do you guys think should happen to that dumb ass who cried he had Ebola on that Delta flight?

Probably it should be treated as someone yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theater -- which is illegal. I am not sure of the exact verbiage but it is something like "falsely and unnecessarily creating a public panic."


Should he be treated the same as someone claiming they have a bomb?

IMO yes.



Should he be made to pay for the costs of those workers who came in, in their suits?

At the least. I think a real good case of karma would be to have the passengers & crew of that flight all gang up and sue him for compensatory damages the emotional distress caused by his little drama.

garhkal
10-13-2014, 10:16 PM
At the least. I think a real good case of karma would be to have the passengers & crew of that flight all gang up and sue him for compensatory damages the emotional distress caused by his little drama.

I'd actually laugh if they did that. And it WOULD be poetic justice!

LogDog
10-13-2014, 11:30 PM
At the least. I think a real good case of karma would be to have the passengers & crew of that flight all gang up and sue him for compensatory damages the emotional distress caused by his little drama.
Better yet, have the passengers & crew work with all of the airlines so for the next two years that dumb ass could only fly on standby. The check-in agents will do their best make sure the flights are full eliminating his chances of flying.

giggawatt
10-14-2014, 11:02 AM
I seem to remember some sort of Ebola scare like 20 years ago. I remember hearing about it as a kid and thinking what a horrible disease to have. Sure hope it stays in Africa.

garhkal
10-14-2014, 09:19 PM
I am reminded of the film "Outbreak" and the lengths they went to in that film, to contain the break out of Ebola. Makes me wonder, would our government ever be willing to do the same?

sandsjames
10-14-2014, 11:06 PM
I am reminded of the film "Outbreak" and the lengths they went to in that film, to contain the break out of Ebola. Makes me wonder, would our government ever be willing to do the same?Depends. Would it get them votes? Most likely they would catch heat, one way or another, over putting more effort into one area of the country than another.

UncaRastus
10-15-2014, 12:48 AM
The World Health Organization (WHO) now says that Ebola can be airborne.

http://www.naturalnews.com/047177_ebola_transmission_direct_contact_aerosoliz ed_particles.html

Measure Man
10-15-2014, 04:44 AM
The World Health Organization (WHO) now says that Ebola can be airborne.

http://www.naturalnews.com/047177_ebola_transmission_direct_contact_aerosoliz ed_particles.html

Not exactly:

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/ebola/06-october-2014/en/



Ebola virus disease is not an airborne infection. Airborne spread among humans implies inhalation of an infectious dose of virus from a suspended cloud of small dried droplets.

This mode of transmission has not been observed during extensive studies of the Ebola virus over several decades.

Common sense and observation tell us that spread of the virus via coughing or sneezing is rare, if it happens at all. Epidemiological data emerging from the outbreak are not consistent with the pattern of spread seen with airborne viruses, like those that cause measles and chickenpox, or the airborne bacterium that causes tuberculosis.

Theoretically, wet and bigger droplets from a heavily infected individual, who has respiratory symptoms caused by other conditions or who vomits violently, could transmit the virus – over a short distance – to another nearby person.

efmbman
10-15-2014, 12:23 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=26206090

"Second Health Care Worker in Texas Tests Positive for Ebola, Authorities Say"

socal1200r
10-15-2014, 04:09 PM
It's obvious the outbreak is out of control in west Africa. It will take time and a tremendous effort just to contain it there. We (the US) should impose a complete travel ban on any flights originating or transiting thru any of those countries, since the passengers lie on whatever forms they fill out prior to departure (Mr. Duncan in Texas is a perfect example of this non-compliance).

Another thing we (the US) needs to do is set up a place to isolate, contain, and treat anyone diagnosed with Ebola here in the States. And by this I mean somewhere remote, just in the off chance that the virus mutates to where it can be transmitted via air. I suggest San Nicolas Island off the coast of southern California. It's run by the Navy, has a 10K foot runway, and has infrastructure there that could support an Ebola containment center. What they don't have can be flown in via mil air, and being an island, it would be a perfect location to isolate and contain any US patients.

Rainmaker
10-15-2014, 04:48 PM
]I am reminded of the film "Outbreak" [/B]and the lengths they went to in that film, to contain the break out of Ebola. Makes me wonder, would our government ever be willing to do the same?

Predictive programing..

Measure Man
10-15-2014, 04:57 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=26206090

"Second Health Care Worker in Texas Tests Positive for Ebola, Authorities Say"

We should close the borders of Texas...not let anyone in or out.

TJMAC77SP
10-15-2014, 05:52 PM
We should close the borders of Texas...not let anyone in or out.

If the outbreak approaches the level as currently in Guinea, Liberia, or Sierra Leone I imagine they just might do that.

Rainmaker
10-15-2014, 06:11 PM
We should close the borders of Texas...not let anyone in or out.

http://youngcons.com/breaking-horrible-news-for-the-boyfriend-of-the-ebola-nurse/

Who knows what's really going on? Rainmaker's on 24/7 News Cycle information overload. Either

1) it's already too late and Pandora is out of the box, at 33 degrees Latitude and we'll all be Quarantined by Christmas...

or

2) this is the biggest Fear Porn overreaction in recent history and we'll all be Quarantined by Christmas...

If he had to choose, Rainmaker hoping for option 2. But, Either way he's settling in his bug out location for the long haul wiff some Gin n Juice Bitches.

Rainmaker
10-15-2014, 09:22 PM
It's obvious the outbreak is out of control in west Africa. It will take time and a tremendous effort just to contain it there. We (the US) should impose a complete travel ban on any flights originating or transiting thru any of those countries, since the passengers lie on whatever forms they fill out prior to departure (Mr. Duncan in Texas is a perfect example of this non-compliance).

Another thing we (the US) needs to do is set up a place to isolate, contain, and treat anyone diagnosed with Ebola here in the States. And by this I mean somewhere remote, just in the off chance that the virus mutates to where it can be transmitted via air. I suggest San Nicolas Island off the coast of southern California. It's run by the Navy, has a 10K foot runway, and has infrastructure there that could support an Ebola containment center. What they don't have can be flown in via mil air, and being an island, it would be a perfect location to isolate and contain any US patients.

sounds like those non-existent FEMA camps that those nutty white guys down at the local moose lodge are always talkin bout. Gnomesayin?

Measure Man
10-16-2014, 01:35 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=26206090

"Second Health Care Worker in Texas Tests Positive for Ebola, Authorities Say"

...and the second heath care worker had a fever and flew from Dallas to Cleveland and back last weekend.

MERC8401
10-16-2014, 07:03 AM
...and the second heath care worker had a fever and flew from Dallas to Cleveland and back last weekend.

She had the fever only on her return flight from Cleveland.

garhkal
10-16-2014, 07:38 AM
But what gets me is she called the CDC and told her of her symptoms AND that she had been working on the patient down in dallas and they STILL let her fly rather than take her in for checking up on.

efmbman
10-16-2014, 12:42 PM
But what gets me is she called the CDC and told her of her symptoms AND that she had been working on the patient down in dallas and they STILL let her fly rather than take her in for checking up on.

From what I have been reading it is a little more complicated than that. She knew the protocol to not use commercial travel after having treated Duncan in Dallas. CDC talking head was all over the news yesterday saying she had no business being on the flight. Now, as you say, CDC apparently knew about this and so did the airline. Sounds to me like a breech of public trust and grounds for termination. Did he actually blatantly lie on national news?

Regardless of all that, we have a nurse that when given the choice between public interest and self interest, made the choice of self interest. That is what will allow this virus to spread. Trained healthcare professionals are the ones we should be looking to with confidence for a solution. Instead, we have this situation. People have told me that I am panicking and "sky is falling", but I see more bungling of this with each passing day. Complacency and ego will doom us.

CDC has been saying from day 1 that our medical system would not allow a serious outbreak. I'm sure that looks great in the three-ring binder, but that is not reality. Analysis of systems such as this almost always fail to account for the most important (and uncontrollable) factor: humans. Because of this, we will spend the next week hearing about which entity is to blame and who should have done what to prevent this.

How will they find, interview and monitor all those people on the flight from Ohio? What about the people those people on the flight came in contact with? The nurse visited her parents, who are professors at Kent State - what is they get it and spread it to the student body? This has all the elements of a Hollywood production. The US is full of pharmacies in which one can buy over the counter drugs which will mask the early symptoms of Ebola (appears much like a cold or flu) so these infected people have the ability to continue to work and interact with the community for a few more days.

I'm not saying this is the opening act of TEOTWAWKI, but this will not be pretty.

socal1200r
10-16-2014, 01:58 PM
Has the makings of the T-virus and Umbrella Corp from the "Resident Evil" movie series, lol! Glad I'm stocked up on .308 ammo for my Remington 700 heavy barrel and CETME Sporter. Looks like it's time to go to the range again and zero those sights at 100 yards...

garhkal
10-16-2014, 08:07 PM
Preppers will be having a field day with this you can bet your bottom dollar.

CYBERFX1024
10-16-2014, 09:03 PM
Preppers will be having a field day with this you can bet your bottom dollar.

I just bought more canned foods and 2k more ammo for my AK. I am also in the process for buying bio masks.

TJMAC77SP
10-16-2014, 09:16 PM
I just bought more canned foods and 2k more ammo for my AK. I am also in the process for buying bio masks.

I think I will stop by a local gun shop tomorrow and see how their ammo shelves look. Truthfully they have been pretty sparse since late 2008 but this probably will clean them out. We have a gun show in town this weekend. I can just imagine what will be going on out there. They are a little on the fringe during normal times.

sandsjames
10-17-2014, 12:23 AM
I just bought more canned foods and 2k more ammo for my AK. I am also in the process for buying bio masks.While you're at it you should make sure you start prepping now for the year 2100, as the computers aren't going to know how to handle the turn over of the date...it's going to be chaos.

TJMAC77SP
10-17-2014, 01:07 AM
While you're at it you should make sure you start prepping now for the year 2100, as the computers aren't going to know how to handle the turn over of the date...it's going to be chaos.

Good God, the Y2K nightmare revisited...............

garhkal
10-17-2014, 07:16 AM
I'd love to get into prepping myself, but don't have the finances for it.

sandsjames
10-17-2014, 11:32 AM
I'd love to get into prepping myself, but don't have the finances for it.

It's not the "prepping" that I find funny. It's the fact that people will use this Ebola mess as the motivation to do so. With all the shit going on around us every day, I can think of 100 reasons to have started stocking up on stuff 10 years ago.

efmbman
10-17-2014, 12:15 PM
I'd love to get into prepping myself, but don't have the finances for it.

It's not as expensive as you think.

A good rule of thumb to evaluate what you may need (and how to eliminate that which you do not need) is the rule of 3s:

you can survive for 3 minutes without air
you can survive for 3 hours without shelter (think extreme climates)
you can survive for 3 days without water
you can survive for 3 weeks without food


It's not the "prepping" that I find funny. It's the fact that people will use this Ebola mess as the motivation to do so. With all the shit going on around us every day, I can think of 100 reasons to have started stocking up on stuff 10 years ago.

Very true. In fact, if Ebola is what motivates someone to start prepping, that's fine. But it is not so great a threat that your efforts should be directed solely at surviving an Ebola outbreak.

It was not Ebola that got me into it. The term prepper is derived from prepare - one must consider what may happen and take steps to mitigate the effect of the event. It's really no different than the risk management taught in PME classes, just on a different scale. I live in CT, so I don't consider earthquakes, volcanoes. tornados, etc because those events are highly unlikely to occur. Power outage+freezing cold is high on the list here. If you live in Florida, hurricanes would be the major concern. For me, I can to the conclusion that "something" was going to happen so I wanted to be ready. I watched with great interest the response of the government (all levels) after Katrina and realized that one cannot (and should not) rely on others to render assistance in a time of disaster. It's because of who was in charge - that's irrelevant. The point remains that it did not work out for many people.
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I'm not sure it would be wise to get into the political and social agendas possible - there are countless blogs and books available. The most popular are national blackout (grid-down scenario) and financial collapse. Either of those will eventually lead to disease and lack of sanitation, so naturally I have considered that. Ebola is much less likely to affect you that cholera or malaria in that scenario. It is, however, a crisis I am watching carefully. Not because I am terrified of Ebola, but this is an opportunity to witness the response of those charged with responding. Frankly, I am not impressed (D- is the grade thus far). They are responding to Ebola with water and electricity available... imagine what it would be like without water and electricity... or gas... or food.

Sorry for the rant...

sandsjames
10-17-2014, 12:25 PM
... imagine what it would be like without water and electricity... or gas... or food.

Sorry for the rant...It would be a completely different response. With no way to spread fear to the masses, and no way for the media to instantly criticize the government, they would take a much harder line on controlling it.

Mjölnir
10-17-2014, 02:41 PM
I'd love to get into prepping myself, but don't have the finances for it.

You can actually do it on the cheap pretty easily. My in-laws are big into it: self canning fruits, veggies & meats; drying alot of grain etc. You still have to procure the food (alot of which they grow themselves) but can save loads of money on the food it you do the preparation for storage yourself. They have some kind of 'canning party' etc at least one day a week.

efmbman
10-17-2014, 02:59 PM
It would be a completely different response. With no way to spread fear to the masses, and no way for the media to instantly criticize the government, they would take a much harder line on controlling it.

That may be, but the reality is what is happening "in your lane".

I should have written: "They are responding to [insert crisis here] with water and electricity available... imagine what it would be like without water and electricity... or gas... or food."

Once the grid is gone, gas stops flowing, and then trucks stop bringing food the real fun begins. Fear would not need to be spread - it would be present without any assistance from the media or the government. Nine meals away from anarchy... as the saying goes.

For anyone interested, a great first read would be "How to Survive the End of the World as We Know It" by James Wesley Rawles.

<quote>James Wesley Rawles (born 1960) is an American author, best known for his survivalist-genre Patriots novel series, which have achieved bestseller status on the New York Times list. Rawles is a former U.S. Army Intelligence officer. He is the editor of SurvivalBlog.com, which covers survival and preparedness topics, and has published collected material from this in two books. He also works as a survival retreat consultant. Rawles is a conservative Christian.</quote>

sandsjames
10-17-2014, 04:28 PM
That may be, but the reality is what is happening "in your lane".

I should have written: "They are responding to [insert crisis here] with water and electricity available... imagine what it would be like without water and electricity... or gas... or food."

Once the grid is gone, gas stops flowing, and then trucks stop bringing food the real fun begins. Fear would not need to be spread - it would be present without any assistance from the media or the government. Nine meals away from anarchy... as the saying goes.

For anyone interested, a great first read would be "How to Survive the End of the World as We Know It" by James Wesley Rawles.

<quote>James Wesley Rawles (born 1960) is an American author, best known for his survivalist-genre Patriots novel series, which have achieved bestseller status on the New York Times list. Rawles is a former U.S. Army Intelligence officer. He is the editor of SurvivalBlog.com, which covers survival and preparedness topics, and has published collected material from this in two books. He also works as a survival retreat consultant. Rawles is a conservative Christian.</quote>Sure...once it happens...or...more accurately, IF it happens. Makes me think of all of those people who paid for fallout shelters in the 60's. I guess I'm just not the type that is going to stress about it, or even thing about it for that matter, except in conversations like this. Maybe that's naïve...guess maybe I'll find out some day.

Stalwart
10-17-2014, 04:50 PM
Sure...once it happens...or...more accurately, IF it happens. Makes me think of all of those people who paid for fallout shelters in the 60's. I guess I'm just not the type that is going to stress about it, or even thing about it for that matter, except in conversations like this. Maybe that's naïve...guess maybe I'll find out some day.

I live in Maryland, so we have a couple weeks of water in food as a hurricane contingency (2 years ago a big storm downed power here for 11 days in some areas). When the East Coast earthquake in 2011 happened I was TAD to Rhode Island and my wife was in VA prompted some discussion with my wife. Mostly it centered around if something bad happened and I was out of town, would she shelter in place and if not where she would relocate to so I could find her.

Best thing you can do is quire some skills to actually survive/thrive and not just endure a bad situation

Rainmaker
10-17-2014, 05:22 PM
I live in Maryland, so we have a couple weeks of water in food as a hurricane contingency (2 years ago a big storm downed power here for 11 days in some areas). When the East Coast earthquake in 2011 happened I was TAD to Rhode Island and my wife was in VA prompted some discussion with my wife. Mostly it centered around if something bad happened and I was out of town, would she shelter in place and if not where she would relocate to so I could find her.

Best thing you can do is quire some skills to actually survive/thrive and not just endure a bad situation

Most of these fat bastards on these doomsday prepper shows couldn't survive a jog around the block without having a stroke or even successfully grow a tomato plant in the back yard. Let alone survive/thrive a crisis situation. Anyone that has ever done even a day of honest farm work in their life knows how hard it is, and thats in a perfect situation.

Being prepared for a short term emergency is one thing. spending your life hoarding supplies to try and survive some post apocalyptic, dystopian world is stupid. The rise in all this fear in the society is interesting though. It is being implanted into the mind of the population by Mass media programming. The cult that has hijacked our government does not want you self-reliant. they want you fearful and dependent upon them, so they can fleece you out of your money and tell you what the hell to do.

God Forbid this ever happens because, If you live in a metro area of any significant size (which 80% of us do ) we are gonna be big time fucked, once the mob realizes that their food doesn't come from a Publix. The public would be practically begging for martial law.

Stalwart
10-17-2014, 05:52 PM
Most of these fat bastards on these doomsday prepper shows couldn't survive a jog around the block without having a stroke or even successfully grow a tomato plant in the back yard. Let alone survive/thrive a crisis situation. Anyone whose ever done even a day of honest farm work in their life knows how hard it is, and that's in a perfect situation.

Being prepared for a short term emergency is one thing. spending your life hoarding supplies to try and survive some post apocalyptic, dystopian world is stupid. The rise in all this fear in the society is interesting though. It is being implanted into the mind of the population by Mass media programming. The cult that has hijacked our government does not want you self-reliant. they want you fearful and dependent upon them, so they can fleece you out of your money and tell you what the hell to do.

God Forbid this ever happens because, If you live in a metro area of any significant size (which 80% of us do ) we are gonna be big time fucked, once the mob realizes that their food doesn't come from a Publix. The public would be practically begging for martial law.

Agreed. I have seen the Doomsday Prepper show on NGTV and do get a kick out of folks who would probably die of exhaustion long before they withstood an assault by a determined mob.

Yes, long term wilderness survival is different than eating canned food / MRE's. I don't think that SERE (been to SERE twice and advanced SERE too) teach much "survival", they teach you how to endure in the wilderness for 24-72 hours so the TRAP team can find you. Some of the best survival skills you can get are basic "Boy Scout camping skills" such as:

-can you make a fire without matches?
-do you know how to generally ID poisonous plants in your area? (the SERE school "technique" of rubbing stuff on your skin, then taking a small piece and placing it on your tongue will get you killed if you do that with the wrong plants.)
-do you know how to (basically) use a compass and a map?
-do you know how to process small game?
-do you know what parts of roadkill are edible and how to tell if it is too far gone to consume?
-do you have some basic supplies to boil water, sharpen a knife etc.

garhkal
10-17-2014, 08:24 PM
It's not as expensive as you think.

A good rule of thumb to evaluate what you may need (and how to eliminate that which you do not need) is the rule of 3s:

you can survive for 3 minutes without air
you can survive for 3 hours without shelter (think extreme climates)
you can survive for 3 days without water
you can survive for 3 weeks without food

I know about the 3s' but you take into account most preppers have 3-4+ months of food stored or go with Aquaponics set ups, lots of solar pannels for power, 3+ guns (at the minimum), it does add up.


It's not the "prepping" that I find funny. It's the fact that people will use this Ebola mess as the motivation to do so. With all the shit going on around us every day, I can think of 100 reasons to have started stocking up on stuff 10 years ago.

Too damn true. From watching Disaster preppers i see all sorts of reasons. One of the funnier ones i saw last season was to do with a family that was rather large (not just in number, but in many being rather fat) prepping cause they felt the planet was reaching a tipping point in population size..

efmbman
10-17-2014, 09:20 PM
I know about the 3s' but you take into account most preppers have 3-4+ months of food stored or go with Aquaponics set ups, lots of solar pannels for power, 3+ guns (at the minimum), it does add up.

I know a lot of preppers, and most don't have that. Many may brag about it! Yes, those set-ups are expensive. I do have some food saved up, but I personally feel the other items you mentioned are excessive and cumbersome. I focus on renewable resources and that which can be portable. You never know when the area you are in will become uninhabitable or inhospitable. If you have the money and the means, go nuts. However, most of us don't. Think practical and simple. Little things like saving dryer lint so that you have a good supply of tinder for fire-starting should it become necessary. Each trip to the local warehouse store, pick up a case of 20 oz water bottles (it's like $7 for 24 bottles). Shelf like in a dark, cool area is about 3 years for that. Before you know it, you have a large supply of water.

garhkal
10-17-2014, 09:23 PM
Never saw that drier lint tip.. Thanks.

efmbman
10-17-2014, 09:41 PM
Never saw that drier lint tip.. Thanks.

How about a flashlight/lantern that does not require batteries? Get some of those little landscaping solar lights. They charge up by day, and will glow all night.

TJMAC77SP
10-17-2014, 09:49 PM
This is like the best of all those prepper and off the grid shows.

garhkal
10-17-2014, 11:29 PM
Perhaps we SHOULD have a preppers focused thread, so we can have all sorts of good tips like these 2!

Mjölnir
10-18-2014, 09:26 AM
Never saw that drier lint tip.. Thanks.

Vaseline lights even in a heavy rain.

Can also roll a couple of sheets of newspaper into a long tube, tie every two inches with string or twine, cut between the strings and dip the pieces into paraffin wax. Those make really good starters that will catch by the flame of a match or lighter.

efmbman
10-18-2014, 01:40 PM
Vaseline lights even in a heavy rain.

Can also roll a couple of sheets of newspaper into a long tube, tie every two inches with string or twine, cut between the strings and dip the pieces into paraffin wax. Those make really good starters that will catch by the flame of a match or lighter.

Good ones. A little twist I do: I cover cotton balls in petroleum jelly and store them in an old Altoids tin. As you said, the jelly makes them waterproof and the tin keeps them from drying out. Small enough to put in a pocket for hiking / camping.

Doritos are a good fire starter, too.

Stalwart
10-18-2014, 05:43 PM
A little twist I do: I cover cotton balls in petroleum jelly and store them in an old Altoids tin. As you said, the jelly makes them waterproof and the tin keeps them from drying out. Small enough to put in a pocket for hiking / camping.

I do the exact same thing ... :)