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Stalwart
09-10-2014, 01:35 PM
I haven't overly been following this since I am not a big sports fan. But living just south of Baltimore means this is DOMINATING the local news & radio.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/08/us/ray-rice-new-video/

In sum: back in February, he and his then-fiance now-wife got into a scuffle in an elevator at a casino in NJ. In February there was a video of him dragging her unconscious body out of the elevator. There was an uproar, he said he was sorry, the NFL suspended him for 2 games.

Monday of this week, video from inside the elevator comes out showing him punching her in the face, knocking her off her feet (she looks to hit her head on the railing in the elevator), door opens and we see another angle of the previous video. The video goes nuclear, the Ravens terminate his contract (2 years into a 5-year $50 million dollar contract) and the NFL now indefinitely suspends him.

On my way into work the local radio station was talking about how the Ravens did the right thing terminating him now that the video was out. My thought on this is "shame on the Ravens" -- not for terminating him but for taking so long to do it. I get that he is a good (great?) player ... is a Pro-Bowler etc, helps win games which makes them money (which is the bottom line I guess), but if the organization and the people supporting it wants to say this was the right thing to do ... why not do it in FEB when you knew what he had done? They obviously knew he had hit her; not a slap but hitting her violently enough to knock her completely unconscious and didn't really mind it so much until he became a PR nightmare.

Any thoughts?

Absinthe Anecdote
09-10-2014, 02:30 PM
I view it as the NFL and the Ravens franchise making primarily a business decision.

After TMZ made this most recent video public, it was too big a mess for them to clean up, so they fired him.

This is no different than any other public relations (PR) nightmare at any organization. If a person embarrasses the company in a manner that can't be cleaned up, they are usually fired.

Now the question goes to doing the right thing from the beginning. The Ravens, and the NFL do seem to be inconsistent on how they handle player misconduct.

I find it hard to believe that they didn't fully understand the true nature of the casino incident, soon after it happened. The NFL has high powered lawyers, access to top notch private investigators, and excellent political, and government connections. They had to know what was on the elevator video before TMZ made it a available to the public.

They mismanaged this from not only a PR perspective, but also an ethical and moral perspective.

Plus, there are players who have been involved with DUIs that killed people and continued to play. This can't be the first time a player has been involved in a domestic violence case either.

sandsjames
09-10-2014, 03:14 PM
Plus, there are players who have been involved with DUIs that killed people and continued to play. This can't be the first time a player has been involved in a domestic violence case either.Just look at another Raven...Ray Lewis...in prison...comes out and is celebrated as if nothing ever happened. The only reason the NFL cares about this is because, as you said, the public is making a big deal about it.

Stalwart
09-10-2014, 03:28 PM
Just look at another Raven...Ray Lewis...in prison...comes out and is celebrated as if nothing ever happened. The only reason the NFL cares about this is because, as you said, the public is making a big deal about it.

The CNN article I posted above said Ray Lewis had reached out to Ray Rice as a mentor over this. Ironic

I didn't know Ray Lewis had gone to prison, but again, not a huge sports guy.

sandsjames
09-10-2014, 03:39 PM
The CNN article I posted above said Ray Lewis had reached out to Ray Rice as a mentor over this. Ironic

I didn't know Ray Lewis had gone to prison, but again, not a huge sports guy.

My mistake...he didn't serve prison time. He struck a plea for "obstruction of justice" for his testimony. The suit he was wearing at the time was never found and the victim's blood was found inside his limo. So he got 1 year of probation and later that same year was Super Bowl MVP.

Stalwart
09-10-2014, 03:58 PM
My mistake...he didn't serve prison time. He struck a plea for "obstruction of justice" for his testimony. The suit he was wearing at the time was never found and the victim's blood was found inside his limo. So he got 1 year of probation and later that same year was Super Bowl MVP.

Never heard about that. Outstanding. :\

Rainmaker
09-10-2014, 04:07 PM
Rainmaker once had a stripper girlfriend that hit him in the head wiff a ceramic lamp. Rainmaker took 12 stitches and had a mild concussion. but, never once did the thought cross Rainmaker's mind to cold cock the bitch. Rainmaker's thought is that this scumbag should be doing hard time.

sandsjames
09-10-2014, 04:11 PM
Rainmaker once had a stripper girlfriend that hit him in the head wiff a ceramic lamp. Rainmaker took 12 stitches and had a mild concussion. but, never once did the thought cross Rainmaker's mind to cold cock the bitch. Rainmaker's thought is that this scumbag should be doing hard time.

As should the stripper girlfriend who hit you in the head.

Measure Man
09-10-2014, 07:28 PM
The CNN article I posted above said Ray Lewis had reached out to Ray Rice as a mentor over this. Ironic

Who better to mentor him than someone who has been through something similar and corrected himself?

Not saying Ray Lewis was appropriately punished, but I think he did end up a better person that he once was.

I've always had a soft spot in my heart for Ray Rice since he went to Rutgers. I'm not sure what the appropriate punishment for this is, but I think he should have a path back to the NFL at some point...maybe later this year, maybe next year...his victim has apparently forgiven him, and probably feels more abused by the public and media than by Ray Rice.

I think there has been enough piling on this guy and there now needs to be a path of healing and restoration.

garhkal
09-10-2014, 07:34 PM
Rainmaker once had a stripper girlfriend that hit him in the head wiff a ceramic lamp. Rainmaker took 12 stitches and had a mild concussion. but, never once did the thought cross Rainmaker's mind to cold cock the bitch. Rainmaker's thought is that this scumbag should be doing hard time.

If i get hit first by a female, i will respond in kind, only inso far as i need to, to prevent being attacked any more. I won't initiate an attack on a woman.

Stalwart
09-10-2014, 07:55 PM
Who better to mentor him than someone who has been through something similar and corrected himself?

Not saying Ray Lewis was appropriately punished, but I think he did end up a better person that he once was.

I've always had a soft spot in my heart for Ray Rice since he went to Rutgers. I'm not sure what the appropriate punishment for this is, but I think he should have a path back to the NFL at some point...maybe later this year, maybe next year...his victim has apparently forgiven him, and probably feels more abused by the public and media than by Ray Rice.

I think there has been enough piling on this guy and there now needs to be a path of healing and restoration.

I never really knew about the Ray Lewis thing until today (don't really follow sports.)

As far as Ray Rice, I think it is likely he finds himself back in the employ of the NFL one day; right now he is toxic. And his suspension maybe be longer since the perception is that the NFL initially blew it off. Michael Vick was out for about a year and a half (most of that in jail), and that was for animal cruelty. I will be curious to see how long his suspension actually ends up being.

sandsjames
09-10-2014, 08:02 PM
I guess in professional sports it's ok to do drugs, kill animals, kill people, hit your girlfriend/wife, etc, and expect only a short ban...just don't express your personal views in a personal phone call to a spouse/ex-spouse, as that warrants a lifetime ban. As long as you can help the team sell merchandise, you're good to go.

Stalwart
09-10-2014, 09:03 PM
I guess in professional sports it's ok to do drugs, kill animals, kill people, hit your girlfriend/wife, etc, and expect only a short ban...just don't express your personal views in a personal phone call to a spouse/ex-spouse, as that warrants a lifetime ban. As long as you can help the team sell merchandise, you're good to go.

I hate to agree with you on this, but it does seem you are spot on.

Rainmaker
09-10-2014, 09:13 PM
If i get hit first by a female, i will respond in kind, only inso far as i need to, to prevent being attacked any more. I won't initiate an attack on a woman.

Nah. It wouldn't have served the greater good. Lesson learned. anytime you datin' an exotic dancer, that's named after a sports car, there's a certain amount of drama that goes along wiff it. The fact that she was able to hurl it across the room, while laying down, hammered drunk and still hit Rainmaker square in the back of the grape (juss as he opened the door) made him think it wasn't the firss time she'd done it. gnomesayin?

Absinthe Anecdote
09-10-2014, 10:58 PM
I never really knew about the Ray Lewis thing until today (don't really follow sports.)

As far as Ray Rice, I think it is likely he finds himself back in the employ of the NFL one day; right now he is toxic. And his suspension maybe be longer since the perception is that the NFL initially blew it off. Michael Vick was out for about a year and a half (most of that in jail), and that was for animal cruelty. I will be curious to see how long his suspension actually ends up being.

If it is much more than a year, he will likely have a hard time being picked up by another team.

NFL running backs really start to decline after age 27, and I think Ray Rice is about that old right now.

That particular position is punishing on the body, they don't last long after 30.

Absinthe Anecdote
09-10-2014, 11:36 PM
I'm not condoning any bad behavior by NFL players, but I'm never surprised when one of them gets into trouble.

These guys have a lot of money and fame in their early 20s and some don't handle it very well.

Heck, pick any other occupation, and you'll find plenty of fuck ups. Ray Rice and his wife went to AC, got drunk, and then got into an altercation that ended in violence.

Sadly, that kind of incident is far from rare. Go to your hometown police department's website and pull up the domestic violence calls that they responded to in the last year.

With all the steroids in the NFL, I'm surprised that roid-rage domestic violence incidents don't happen more often.

On a separate note, there is a reporter for NPR that has been putting out these preachy segments for a few years on how barbaric the NFL is, and how we Americans are just like the blood lusting Romans cheering for gladiators in the coliseum. I haven't heard him talking about Ray Rice yet, but I'm sure he is in a frenzy over this.

I do sometimes wonder just how long the NFL will remain so popular. Nothing lasts forever, and I do see the game changing already.

Measure Man
09-11-2014, 04:40 AM
I've been waiting for USN to weigh in about how all the NFL wives and girlfriends can now keep their man in check knowing one phone call could end their careers...or how they'll have this huge bargaining chip in divorce court by threatening to claim abuse :-)

giggawatt
09-11-2014, 06:58 AM
If it is much more than a year, he will likely have a hard time being picked up by another team.

NFL running backs really start to decline after age 27, and I think Ray Rice is about that old right now.

That particular position is punishing on the body, they don't last long after 30.

He'll end up on the Raiders.

USN - Retired
09-11-2014, 08:00 AM
I've been waiting for USN to weigh in about...

Good. Keep waiting.

"The mind is everything. What you think, you become." ~Buddha

TJMAC77SP
09-11-2014, 01:52 PM
I've been waiting for USN to weigh in about how all the NFL wives and girlfriends can now keep their man in check knowing one phone call could end their careers...or how they'll have this huge bargaining chip in divorce court by threatening to claim abuse :-)

Well, I am not USN but the thought did cross my mind. I may not say it with the vehemence of USN but the thought crossed my mind nonetheless.

Measure Man
09-11-2014, 03:01 PM
Well, I am not USN but the thought did cross my mind. I may not say it with the vehemence of USN but the thought crossed my mind nonetheless.

Me too...but I don't have his gifts, either.

Knowing how many military wives threaten their husbands with "calling the First Sergeant"...I imagine this would be like times 1,000.

sandsjames
09-11-2014, 04:33 PM
Not surprised at all about the direction this case is going. It will end up with all of the blame going to the NFL. Ray Rice is also a victim because the NFL promotes this type of behavior. Thankfully there isn't such a thing as domestic violence outside of the league.

On a positive note, at least I haven't had to hear the name "Michael Sam" in over a week.

Measure Man
09-11-2014, 05:01 PM
Not surprised at all about the direction this case is going. It will end up with all of the blame going to the NFL. Ray Rice is also a victim because the NFL promotes this type of behavior. Thankfully there isn't such a thing as domestic violence outside of the league.


I would not be surprised to see this cost Goodell his job, too. The relentless piling on is a bit over the top, IMO.

Rainmaker
09-11-2014, 08:08 PM
I would not be surprised to see this cost Goodell his job, too. The relentless piling on is a bit over the top, IMO.

bread and circuses for the mob man. bet if you pulled back the layers of the onion on most of these PC shitbags in the media that are screaming bloody murder, half of them would be getting shit-canned too. Seriously somebody gots to tell Ray-Ray when you knocks a bitch out on the elevator you got to push the stop button and wait till she wake up before you get off.

Rainmaker
09-11-2014, 08:09 PM
Not surprised at all about the direction this case is going. It will end up with all of the blame going to the NFL. Ray Rice is also a victim because the NFL promotes this type of behavior. Thankfully there isn't such a thing as domestic violence outside of the league.

On a positive note, at least I haven't had to hear the name "Michael Sam" in over a week.

If Michael Sam punched his boyfriend, he wasn't charged, they reconciled and NFL commissioner suspended him for 2 games. would anybody in the National media be outraged?

USN - Retired
09-11-2014, 08:16 PM
Well, I am not USN but the thought did cross my mind. I may not say it with the vehemence of USN but the thought crossed my mind nonetheless.

Vehemence? Me?!?!

sandsjames
09-11-2014, 08:54 PM
If Michael Sam punched his boyfriend, he wasn't charged, they reconciled and NFL commissioner suspended him for 2 games. would anybody in the National media be outraged?

Pretty hypothetical, but I'd wager money that he'd be ok because we can't possibly understand the stress he's under.

Drackore
09-12-2014, 07:08 PM
I don't consider this domenstic abuse or violence. I consider this a fight. She took some swings, she played the game...she lost. Sure we can say that given his size he should have held back. The fact that she is still alive to have married him tells me he did hold back.

She is the one going to the NFL and the media and the world saying "back off". She begged for leniency before the tape was released, she cursed the media after the tape was released for dragging it out. She's a grown woman...is she's fine with what happened, it should be over and done with.

sandsjames
09-12-2014, 07:19 PM
I don't consider this domenstic abuse or violence. I consider this a fight. She took some swings, she played the game...she lost. Sure we can say that given his size he should have held back. The fact that she is still alive to have married him tells me he did hold back.

She is the one going to the NFL and the media and the world saying "back off". She begged for leniency before the tape was released, she cursed the media after the tape was released for dragging it out. She's a grown woman...is she's fine with what happened, it should be over and done with.

I felt this way at first but then after watching the videos, with them broken down, everything caught on camera was started by him. Then there is also the testimony of the hotel worker on the sequence of events. There was nothing showing her being the initial aggressor.

While walking to the elevator, the first act of physical aggression is him spitting in her face. This causes her to slap him. Then, once in the elevator, he gets in her face and spits again...then steps back. That's when she comes towards him...he hits her once, she lunges again, and he hits her again, knocking her down (hitting her head on the rail).

Before it was broken down step by step, it looked like she was the first to start the physical confrontation by slapping him. Not so.

Of course we don't know what happened prior to all of this that's not on camera.

Measure Man
09-12-2014, 11:59 PM
I felt this way at first but then after watching the videos, with them broken down, everything caught on camera was started by him. Then there is also the testimony of the hotel worker on the sequence of events. There was nothing showing her being the initial aggressor.

While walking to the elevator, the first act of physical aggression is him spitting in her face. This causes her to slap him. Then, once in the elevator, he gets in her face and spits again...then steps back. That's when she comes towards him...he hits her once, she lunges again, and he hits her again, knocking her down (hitting her head on the rail).

Before it was broken down step by step, it looked like she was the first to start the physical confrontation by slapping him. Not so.

Of course we don't know what happened prior to all of this that's not on camera.

Will be interesting to see how the NFL handles this case with one of its biggest stars, Adrian Peterson:

http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/09/12/adrian-peterson-child-injury-indictment

He was indicted by a grand jury for child reckless or negligent injury to a child...not the same a ray rice situation, but will they still with the 6 game suspension for first offense? Or is this different since it was not intentional?...or because he is a huge star

He whooped his 4-year old with a switch


The doctor told investigators that the boy had "a number of lacerations on his thighs, along with bruise-like marks on his lower back and buttocks and cuts on his hand."

sandsjames
09-13-2014, 12:09 AM
Will be interesting to see how the NFL handles this case with one of its biggest stars, Adrian Peterson:

http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/09/12/adrian-peterson-child-injury-indictment

He was indicted by a grand jury for child reckless or negligent injury to a child...not the same a ray rice situation, but will they still with the 6 game suspension for first offense? Or is this different since it was not intentional?...or because he is a huge star

He whooped his 4-year old with a switch

That's going to be a controversial one there. It's not going to be as one sided as the media in the Ray Rice case. Most can agree a man should never hit a woman. Many, many people believe a child needs a spanking once in awhile.

Of course cuts on the hand are a bit extreme, but I had red hands occasionally from attempting to block my dads hand on the butt..

So I imagine we're going to see some interesting arguments in this one.